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After reluctantly succumbing to the temptation of the iPhone I bought one and used it for 1 week before reverting to my Diamond!
Conclusions - the iPhone is a good communications device. The Diamond is a good communication device AND a mobile Personal Computer. It is so much more versatile, flexible and you can be more productive without relying on your desktop/laptop PC.
The iPhone interface is lovely, fast, robust-feeling and crisp and clear. It has been designed to be like that. HTC have put touch functionality on top of WinMo which was not designed for it so it has a few drawbacks.
I shall no doubt upgrade to the Touch HD as I now accept the HTC failings because the platform is so much better than iPhone.
My question is...how is the HTC Touch HD going to address these?
Any thoughts, considered opinions, or leaked info welcome!!
cheers all
cojones said:
After reluctantly succumbing to the temptation of the iPhone I bought one and used it for 1 week before reverting to my Diamond!
Conclusions - the iPhone is a good communications device. The Diamond is a good communication device AND a mobile Personal Computer. It is so much more versatile, flexible and you can be more productive without relying on your desktop/laptop PC.
The iPhone interface is lovely, fast, robust-feeling and crisp and clear. It has been designed to be like that. HTC have put touch functionality on top of WinMo which was not designed for it so it has a few drawbacks.
I shall no doubt upgrade to the Touch HD as I now accept the HTC failings because the platform is so much better than iPhone.
My question is...how is the HTC Touch HD going to address these?
Any thoughts, considered opinions, or leaked info welcome!!
cheers all
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so what kind of drawbacks are you talking about?
cause basicallly, the touch hd has got the same interface and OS as the Diamond. Only the screen in bigger. So you will see more at the same time (more appointments on the home screen for example)
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so what kind of drawbacks are you talking about?
cause basicly, the touch hd has got the same interface and os as the Diamon. only the screen ins bigger so you will see more at the same time (more appointments on the home screen for example)
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I agree.. Its a Diamond with a larger screen and 5MP camera. Hopefully it doesn't inherit any of the same GPS lag problems as its kin.
Hi, yes i'm aware it is just Diamond but bigger, i'm wondering if HTC has updated the usability aspects of the hardware, like the screen and the interfaces like the keyboard?
A constant problem for me with the Diamond is the hit-and-miss accuracy of the direction pad. Sometimes pressing right gets actioned as backspace and closes things down. It is also fiddly to position to cursor exactly between required letters in text boxes.
I'm wondering, especially as there is no directional pad on the HD, what measures HTC has implemented to enable this precise kind of interaction.
Just install something like Winterface and the interface will be so much like an iPhone it won't be funny.
The biggest difference that you will find after coming from using an iPhone is the screen. The reason the iPhone screen is so good to use is it is a capacitive screen which means it does not require any pressure to select icons etc. It senses changes in electrical properties brought on by touching it with bare skin. The screen in Windows Mobile devices is resistive which requires pressure by touch or a stylus for accuracy.
Having said that the sensitivity of the screens can be changed and from what I have seen from various hands on videos of the Touch HD the screen looks very sensitive to touch so I am hoping this will very usable.
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The biggest difference that you will find after coming from using an iPhone is the screen.
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Thanks. I am a WinMo person through and through, for about 5 years now, I only had an iPhone for 1 week! I understand the differences with screen technology, do you think HTC will have improved the sensitivity by default?
One of the best features in HD is the new screen.It doesnt use the same technology as Iphone but is very similar in sensitivity,although Iphone screen is still the best in touch screens(flash memory and touch screen are the only things better then latest WM devices...in my opinion of course).
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This is just a general comment stemmed from yours, not directed at you:
iphone is fast because it doesn't multitask, other than the core apps that came with iphone. apps are "paused" and states are saved when you go into a different application, nothing can run in the background.
microsoft needs to fire their entire marketing team for not attacking this weakness of the iphone and trumpet this as a pro for Windows Mobile. Actually come to think about it, their marketing team should be fired for unable to come up with advertisements that stick in viewers minds (comparing to apple's ads)
the gps is onchip on the qualcomm so apart from antenna
and software they would all performe pretty much the same
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This is just a general comment stemmed from yours, not directed at you:
iphone is fast because it doesn't multitask, other than the core apps that came with iphone. apps are "paused" and states are saved when you go into a different application, nothing can run in the background.
microsoft needs to fire their entire marketing team for not attacking this weakness of the iphone and trumpet this as a pro for Windows Mobile. Actually come to think about it, their marketing team should be fired for unable to come up with advertisements that stick in viewers minds (comparing to apple's ads)
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Totally agree!
Yes, that was a frustrating thing with the iPhone for the little time i used it, when tracking my cycle rides it needed to be on (screen off) with the app in the foreground. No chance of continuing to track when a phone call comes in or you need to check something else, e.g google maps, internet, etc.
Other iPhone frustrations, no copy & paste, no windows explorer type app, no document editors, no turn by turn gps (yet).
Hoping i can get rid of the iPhone sharpish to help me banish the horrible memories ;-)
I am an iPhone 3G user now, before that I have always used Windows Mobile, the iPhone makes everything that it can do easy to do. Problem is what it can do compared to Windows Mobile is limited. I miss so many things that I used to have, tethering, copy paste to name just two but most importantly the iPhone is becoming too mainstream for me, I like to be different, I like to have a phone that others don't have and show them things they can't do, I guess that is just the geek in me. For that reason I am buying a Touch HD as soon as it comes out, with a little work I can get it to perform just how I want it too.
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the gps is onchip on the qualcomm so apart from antenna
and software they would all performe pretty much the same
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With Quallcom there is generally one problem...
Their speed is to low... And then people blame in on Win Mobile
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with a little work I can get it to perform just how I want it too.
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Exactly! You've hit the nail on the head, that is the huge advantage WinMo has over iPhone, you can make it just what you want it. iPhone - you get it...and that's it (except for the wallpaper on the unlock screen ;-)
The only issue with WinMo is it's stone age interface designed for stylus. All shells like Manila and SPB are nice but after a couple of taps you reach the good old WinMo GUI and you have to pull the stylus and bring the magnifying glass.
I want a 6.1 device where WinMo is just a platform, and the GUI is entirely replaced with a touch friendly shell.
But the Touch HD will not do that. It will have the same Frankenstein GUI as all recent WinMo devices, so I will keep my Kaiser until WM7 comes along. (or until android supports desktop sync and turn-by-turn)
Same goes here
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I am an iPhone 3G user now, before that I have always used Windows Mobile, the iPhone makes everything that it can do easy to do. Problem is what it can do compared to Windows Mobile is limited. I miss so many things that I used to have, tethering, copy paste to name just two but most importantly the iPhone is becoming too mainstream for me, I like to be different, I like to have a phone that others don't have and show them things they can't do, I guess that is just the geek in me. For that reason I am buying a Touch HD as soon as it comes out, with a little work I can get it to perform just how I want it too.
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I was a previous Window mobile user too, but switch to iPhone, but for only less than two weeks or so I sold my iphone, iPhone are luck of so many things compare to Window Mobile features. The iPhone is not so bad. but I rather stick with WMobile, which is easy and simple to use..
(or until android supports desktop sync and turn-by-turn)
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Don't think that'll be very long to wait at all, given the open-source nature of the software
I've used iPhone but have settled for the HD. I like the screen of the iPhone although I prefer the screen on the HD.
HTC Touch HD gives me the real feel of pressing a button where in the iPhone you just touch it and you get instant reaction which sometimes isn't what you want.
When I type, I like to keep my fingers on the screen while thinking of the next line (what ever) and when I am ready I can continue to press as normal to type which is superb!
I've used iPhone but have settled for the HD. I like the screen of the iPhone although I prefer the screen on the HD.
HTC Touch HD gives me the real feel of pressing a button where in the iPhone you just touch it and you get instant reaction which sometimes isn't what you want.
When I type, I like to keep my fingers on the screen while thinking of the next line (what ever) and when I am ready I can continue to press as normal to type which is superb!
Holy double posting thread necromancing batman!
You do realize that no one posted in this thread for... 3 months?
I can't believe how wrong and uninformed this Australian review of the HTC HD.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/digit...ew-htc-touch-hd/2009/02/07/1233423551702.html
It is just weird, I can only explain it as just ignorant, but just astonishing seeming that it comes from a 'professional reviewer'.
Maybe the easiest way to describe it is just total BS:
TheAge - Newspaper Melbourne said:
Review: HTC Touch HD smart phone
Nick Ross
February 9, 2009
The HTC Touch HD
HTC TOUCH HD
Price $1499 or $62 per month
Rating 2.5/5
www.telstra.com.au
HTC specialises in smartphones based on the Windows Mobile system. This is designed around stylus-based navigation but HTC developed TouchFlo 3D - a finger-friendly way of prodding the main features. It was sluggish on HTC's Touch Diamond but speedy on the Touch 3G. HD rivals the latter but occasionally lags.
Straight away it hits problems. TouchFlo is helpful on small phones but HTC has simply added a larger screen and that's it. For instance, when you add a calendar entry, the top right 1cm of the screen has six different buttons while the rest of the screen is virtually empty. This occurrence is all too common.
HTC points out that the large (9.7cm) high-res screen is great for pictures, video and music. But zooming and flicking through pictures and albums isn't nearly as smooth as the iPhone. Videos look good but you're constantly expected to get them by following numerous links to BigPond-Foxtel downloads, which demand yet more money. GPS is included but you'll again have to pay to use it when WhereIs Navigator becomes available next month.
The onscreen keyboard rivals the iPhone's but the HD's Opera web browser doesn't zoom or pan nearly as well. Where it does pull away is with its superior 5-megapixel camera and superb battery life, which manages seven hours talk time. It only requires charging after three days compared with the iPhone's one-and-a-bit. We liked the inclusion of a standard headphone jack too.
So who should buy it? It's hugely expensive, locked to Telstra and costs even more to get the best from it. Typing is much faster with keyboard-equipped phones such as BlackBerrys and Palm's Treo Pro.
Pictures and web browsing are more fun on the iPhone.
If you're a rich executive who doesn't do much work with their phone but needs the potential of Windows Mobile, it's ideal.
If not, look elsewhere.
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Dumbasses, almost sounds like they never even tried the phone, just looked at the spec sheet. The one area they praise (the camera) is clearly the worst part, but because it's 5 megapixel they assume it's better.
This guy's opinion should simply be ignored. He does'nt even know what to look for. He probably just used his phone only to listen to music and play game, and does not use as GPS software; does not open/create/edit office documents, and does not use the device much during the day (hence never experience the need to change battery in the middle of the day).
And yes, I think he probably did'nt really try out the phone. Else he would have discovered that the camera does not perform well indoor in poor light or the fact that it does not have flash.
And, he probably did not bring it outdoor and noticed how incredibly easy it is to read the screen under strong sunlight. If he had, he was probably unaware how strikingly good the display is, or may be he is too iPhone biased to want to mention it.
No mention of the fact that this has FM radio, something iPhone owners would love to have, give the choice.
To sum it up, this is an extremely shallow and biased "review" (if you even call that a review).
The Age is full of idiots. You know he doesn't know anything as soon as he called the camera "superior"
Yes, he can't possible have tried the camera, it completely sucks.
I think he's not that wrong with his points after all, if you are a "normal" phone user, you will find the touchflow 3D laggish sometimes, you will find the phone hard to use and so on.. it's because it's simply not a suitable device for those who want's what the iphone delivers. He doesn't mention all the things that are possible to do with the device that iphone lacks, just the things that arn't as easy and smooth. He's just a user that should buy an iphone instead. The ones who make these reviews has to look from all users perspective, not just hes own. That's what sucks with the review, just compare it with gsmarena, that's an objective reveiw in my opinion.
One thing that he mentions that actualla annoys me a great deal is the fact that in many menu-screens, all the information, buttons and inputs are crowded on the upper left part of the screen. (like when you choose ringtones for instance). Is there a workaround for this?
Look the world is full of idiots, and the iPhone was made for that crowd of idiots and morons.
The MS platform will always be superior in the business sense and more suited to the other type of crowd.
I showed this to one of my class mates and they didn't know how to use the phone, to only bring out his iPhone out, i realized then who i was speaking to.
Calm down, there isn't any objective test on this planet. See various games magazines, or other stuff test mags. The resumeé depends aways from the tester who tested the device if he is an iphine fan you have bad luck if he likes windows mobile more you may have better luck.
You can only collect as much tests of the same product as possible and then calculate the average mark from all tests. Then you might get a most objective remark as possible.
I read many tests before I bought the HD, because at the bottom line the average mark is quite good.
To a certain extent i think its true. The picture and video flickering is no where as smooth and as fast as the iphone. But it gets the job done just not as speedy as the iphone.
I have a huge dilema guys. I've been lusting over the X1 ever since it was released in December. However, I have an HTC Touch Cruise... Its clearly not a very outdated device. Have any of you upgraded from a 400mhz Touch series phone or newer, and if so do you feel you got your money's worth?
So what are your thoughts? Could the X1 keep you satisfied for over a year? (FYI, I feel the Touch Pro 2 is ugly and bulky and I'm not at all down with HTC's new pattern of devices w/o DPADs or camera keys or functional landscape)
The only phones I see pulling me away from the X1 are a GSM Palm Pre with North American 3G (not likely to be released any time soon), Sony X2 (no inidication as to when one will come out), or the "3rd Gen" iPhone w/Skype, A2DP, and 3D nav w/voice (hell will prob freeze over before it can do any of those).
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I have a huge dilema guys. I've been lusting over the X1 ever since it was released in December. However, I have an HTC Touch Cruise... Its clearly not a very outdated device. Have any of you upgraded from a 400mhz Touch series phone or newer, and if so do you feel you got your money's worth?
So what are your thoughts? Could the X1 keep you satisfied for over a year? (FYI, I feel the Touch Pro 2 is ugly and bulky and I'm not at all down with HTC's new pattern of devices w/o DPADs or camera keys or functional landscape)
The only phones I see pulling me away from the X1 are a GSM Palm Pre with North American 3G (not likely to be released any time soon), Sony X2, or the 4th Gen iPhone w/Skype, A2DP, and 3D nav w/voice (hell will prob freeze over before it can do any of those).
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4th gen iPhone? Wheres the 3rd gen iphone.
I havn't ever used an actual HTC device other than the TyTn II (which is horrible) but if you like HTC, then Xperia is a pretty nice one.
Palm Pre looks like it's gonna do sweet things, but again, never used a palm, so it's the same as when I thought my iPhone would do sweet things, which is subsequently didn't.
It depends what you want, as far as phones go, it's probably the most dissappointing one (other than the iPhone, that's rock bottom) that I'v owned, especially havnt owned almost every Nokia N series device.
That being said, it's the WinMo that's the make or break, and you can't expect it to behave like a Sony Ericsson, because it really isnt.
So, if you like WinMo and can live with it, the SE Xperia is a nice place to be, and the community here is great for it.
Maybe in time the pace will pick up and we'll start finding more made for this resolution and landscape additions, but that's assuming it doesn't get steamrolled first.
If you're comfortable viewing in smallll screen go for Xperia, else take Touch HD or the upcoming Diamond II. I gues when Diamond 2 is widely available, Touch HD could have a drop in prices.
Regards,
Carty..
The lack of camera key on the Touch Pro is not a big deal, the middle action key is touch sensitive, so to zoom in you just lightly touch the action key and press to take picture. Not as "fun" as pressing real shutter key, but it works nice, So I reckon future devices from HTC would be equipped with similar system, especially for Touch Pro 2.
For a year the Xperia will surely holds, and with strong support from the community, it would probably last longer... Especially if Winmo 7 is hacked into it. The screen is not so terribly small, it's in fact to me a perfect balance between screen size and phone size... The HD/G01/iPhone is just too big for me.
The previews for Palm Pre unveils its promising future, beautiful interface combined with WebOS seemingly easy to develop apps, and developed by a company with strong history of great devices... It's simply going to be great. But... how about teething issues of new device, and worst, new OS? Surely there will be some rough roads for early adopters.
The X1 as it is, is a great device, compact yet stylish enough to reflect serious intentions from its owner.
Do note however, you choose Xperia because it's Windows Mobile. Judging from your signature... It's not quite the cup of tea you prefer. So, iPhone or Pre is your best bet... And heavier on Pre because it has iPhone like interface, WinMo functionality and awesome keyboard. I even have a slight crush on the Pre, but my X1 + Outlook combo is still top notch until the Pre came out and all of those would be bugs ironed out.
I had a Cruise and now an X1.
There is a HUGE difference.
The screen is awesome, the software is better, as the performance.
Also GPS is better.
I'm very satisfied with X1.
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However, I have an HTC Touch Cruise... Its clearly not a very outdated device. Have any of you upgraded from a 400mhz Touch series phone or newer, and if so do you feel you got your money's worth?
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I did exactly that - I still have the Polaris (P3650), a trusted backup device
The X1 has - obviously - much higher screen resolution, more Storage/RAM and a faster CPU. All of these things count.
There are also a number of excellent cooked ROM's here to make it zing.
I see from your post you want N America 3G, so presumably you are looking at the X1a.
The drawback I've seen is that the battery overheats when on wifi or GPS for longer periods (>1 hour, say) while charging from either the wall outlet or a car charger
If you are unlikely to exceed these parameters, then the X1a will work well for you.
Nonetheless, keep the Polaris as a backup for a while
Thanks all! Its good to hear some real world experience from X1 owners as well as ex Touch Cruise guys. I didn't get a feel for how many of you felt the X1 was a device that could stand the test of time and let you continue upgrade free for a decent amount of time... But I guess that's just about the individual person's characteristics as it is about the X1.
Ohh, and I didn't mean to give the impression that I'm anti winmo. At this point in the game, I can't switch from it, as its the only mobile OS that does everything I need. Its just too bad that it lacks speed and touch friendliness (hence the sig).
And if anyone's listening, one more question:
How do you guys like the panel UI? I'm one to try and make things work. I like HTC Home and the Cube. TF3D...not so much b/c it requires concentration and precision while using and could never really be used in a car (IE making a phone call over handsfree or starting up a Navigation app).
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I had a Cruise and now an X1.
Also GPS is better.
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I did a test of GPS with both devices (Polaris and X1) with interesting results.
Both devices were exactly side-by-side on a ute tray in the field at the same time. Same GPS survey program running on both of them:
P3650 6 satellites HDOP 1.5m
X1 9 satellites HDOP 0.9m
Radio ROM in the P3650 (Polaris) is 1.64.08.21
Radio ROM in the X1 is 1.10.25.18
The 50% difference in satellites found and 35% difference in horizontal DOP is down to the improvement in GPS in the appropriate Qualcomm CPU's and maybe the radio ROM's for each device. The X1 is way better here.
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Thanks all! Its good to hear some real world experience from X1 owners as well as ex Touch Cruise guys. I didn't get a feel for how many of you felt the X1 was a device that could stand the test of time and let you continue upgrade free for a decent amount of time... But I guess that's just about the individual person's characteristics as it is about the X1.
Ohh, and I didn't mean to give the impression that I'm anti winmo. At this point in the game, I can't switch from it, as its the only mobile OS that does everything I need. Its just too bad that it lacks speed and touch friendliness (hence the sig).
And if anyone's listening, one more question:
How do you guys like the panel UI? I'm one to try and make things work. I like HTC Home and the Cube. TF3D...not so much b/c it requires concentration and precision while using and could never really be used in a car (IE making a phone call over handsfree or starting up a Navigation app).
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Ok, my perspective for you on that last question, as a person that has never used winmo and has become very big on finger touch interfaces.
The Panels help this a lot here because for me, some of the most important features of my phone are texting, music, wifi and bluetooth (file sharing, web browsing)
So, without touching the stylus I can pretty much achieve all of these.
So, I start on the Today Screen, nothing I need there really. But I like to have my IM program there.
I want some music I hit the panel key, press the MediaXperience panel with my thumb and then navigate that with the optical pad (which I have set to minimum sensitivity cause it really is sensitive!)
I'm done listening to music I want to browse the web or send/receive by bluetooth I hit the panel key, press on the SE panel (the one with the big clock) I can toggle wifi/bluetooth on/off there. I can see if I have any messages or calls. Excellent.
If I need to file browse I have Resco Explorer installed in Touch Optimised mode, and I slide out the keyboard or use Finger Keyboard 2 to choose commands from the menus.
HTC Enlarged start menu for easy finger pressing if i need to do anything there.
Microsoft Voice Command if I want to do some things like find out what my appointments are for today/tomorrow.
Phone calls are easy and don't require the stylus, I generally call teh same 4 or 5 people so I dont use the contacts much andi nstead just scroll thorug hthe recent calls with the optical pad.
If I need to call a specific contact I will slide out the keyboard or use the voice command. Even with my phone book full of "colourful" names it works fine.
Messages etc are simple, I normally don't send messages first, I'm only every replying to them, so I just hit reply, slide out the keyboard and type away.
I think that' about it, I can't think of anything else I normally do with it. Most of the time i spend now with the device (other than the important stuff) is customising it and trying to make it sync my email as well as my iphone doe over wifi while it's sleeping.
firstly, i cant see ANY good/better points to the iphone at all.
i'm fairly anti-apple (i havent owned/dont own any apple device as i consider them mediocre).
theres just so much hype and fan-boys on the internet surrounding apple kit that i cant work out the iphone at all.
these are my thoughts on the iphone:
software: you have to invalidate waranty to get 'un-official' fixes (ie: jailbreak) - WTF!?!
hardware: 3 good things - g-sensor, touchscreen, and screen size - first time they've been used together on a mobile, but far from new tech.
users: from the people i know, everyone actively promotes their iphone (which is a bad thing). they yap on about how good it is, and get all excited about a new feature that makes their iphone even better, dispite it should have been included at 1st release (cut&paste anyone?).
can someone explain why on earth iphones are so popular, and why people appear to be so blind to the obvious? is there something im missing?
for me, the touch HD anihilates the iphone (why isnt the HD being raved about more?). in a world of sat-navs, multi-tasking, and 'all-in-one' devices (sky+, PS3 for a Blu-ray player, Media-centers/HTPC etc), why is the iphone at the top of everyones list?
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firstly, i cant see ANY good/better points to the iphone at all.
i'm fairly anti-apple (i havent owned/dont own any apple device as i consider them mediocre).
theres just so much hype and fan-boys on the internet surrounding apple kit that i cant work out the iphone at all.
these are my thoughts on the iphone:
software: you have to invalidate waranty to get 'un-official' fixes (ie: jailbreak) - WTF!?!
hardware: 3 good things - g-sensor, touchscreen, and screen size - first time they've been used together on a mobile, but far from new tech.
users: from the people i know, everyone actively promotes their iphone (which is a bad thing). they yap on about how good it is, and get all excited about a new feature that makes their iphone even better, dispite it should have been included at 1st release (cut&paste anyone?).
can someone explain why on earth iphones are so popular, and why people appear to be so blind to the obvious? is there something im missing?
for me, the touch HD anihilates the iphone (why isnt the HD being raved about more?). in a world of sat-navs, multi-tasking, and 'all-in-one' devices (sky+, PS3 for a Blu-ray player, Media-centers/HTPC etc), why is the iphone at the top of everyones list?
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Great marketing from Apple basically
People who are not to pc savvy just want an easy pickup and play device iphone is that for them.
We are a different breed
marketing
simple as that
think mp3 player....name a Sony mp3 player....which are superior to ipod in every way....well, how many people can name one? and how many are there? how to choose? you have to become a near Sony employee to make an informed decision....on the other hand you have a nice and stylish and functional ipod....one name, one product, one look, for ages now
there's only iPhone....it's pretty, it's simple, it's idiot friendly....and confuses no one....you don't have to think about hardware, UI, options, stuff, stuff....it's iPhone
no mere non-tech mortal knows of HTC or much about HTC....flashing ROMs isn't an option....customatization isn't an option
people want simple shiny things that Paris Hilton wants and has....Vertu is out of reach, iPhone isn't :/
not that it doesn't have qualities, but it's mostly master marketing
branding is alfa and omega or sales and all others release too many devices, too many options, too much confusion, people get lost and go for 1 thing they know....iPhone
iPhone 3G S:
-Faster, smoother, and snappy
-AppStore
-Stable
-Ease of use
-Nice UI Design (consistently nice even with 3rd party apps)
-Multi touch
-Better support
-Better games
Touch HD:
-Big and nice high res screen
-Stylus and finger compatible
-Full Bluetooth profile support
-Fully customizable
-Not limited to iTunes
-Dual Camera
-Expandable memory
-Removable battery
-Universal storage device (compatible with a PS3 too )
IMO WinMo is not for everyone. If you're the type of person that wants a simple, fun, and easy to use phone which is also powerful at the same time, grab the iPhone no doubt. If you're the type of person that wants to expand the possibilities like typing with an external BT keyboard, file sharing/exhange, drawing with the stylus, and/or multitasking with your phone then a phone like the Touch HD is a great device to own. If you can't decide grab those two phones like me. HA
Personally I'm waiting for a true port of Android 1.5 or higher for the HD. I'm willing to flash over WinMo (or maybe even Dual boot?) and sell my iPhone 3G S when it comes out. IMO Android is the future for HTC phones.
well i could never switch b3ecause of the limitations.
ie i use my expandable memory on m hd all the time to transfer films and music to my ps3, and if the iphone doesnt havis option then id never buy it
also i use a lot off non apple codecs for media DivX and XviD mainly but there are some windows media stuff there aswell
i watch these on the bus and stuff
and the fact that i recently learnt how to cook roms
so all in all i need my hd
This is like the 2000th topic about "Iphone vs. Touch HD".
Check this one out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443504&highlight=iphone
I'd relate my awnser to tweakers' one.
Topic Creator,
iPhone: Phone with Personal Computer/Multimedia Features.
TouchHD: Personal Computer with Phone features.
You then got to pick which is more important to you? Being a phone as a priority or a personal computer on the palm of your hand? Both are good phones, they just do things differently.
Good day.
Are you seriously asking this question? Starting a new thread of something that someone starts every week and just turns into a fight?
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Are you seriously asking this question? Starting a new thread of something that someone starts every week and just turns into a fight?
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what he said
tweaker said:
iPhone 3G S:
-Faster, smoother, and snappy
-AppStore
-Stable
-Ease of use
-Nice UI Design (consistently nice even with 3rd party apps)
-Multi touch
-Better support
-Better games
Touch HD:
-Big and nice high res screen
-Stylus and finger compatible
-Full Bluetooth profile support
-Fully customizable
-Not limited to iTunes
-Dual Camera
-Expandable memory
-Removable battery
-Universal storage device (compatible with a PS3 too )
IMO WinMo is not for everyone. If you're the type of person that wants a simple, fun, and easy to use phone which is also powerful at the same time, grab the iPhone no doubt. If you're the type of person that wants to expand the possibilities like typing with an external BT keyboard, file sharing/exhange, drawing with the stylus, and/or multitasking with your phone then a phone like the Touch HD is a great device to own. If you can't decide grab those two phones like me. HA
Personally I'm waiting for a true port of Android 1.5 or higher for the HD. I'm willing to flash over WinMo (or maybe even Dual boot?) and sell my iPhone 3G S when it comes out. IMO Android is the future for HTC phones.
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I couldn't have said this better... I think the thread can be closed now, tweaker has said it all.
iPhone:
Imagine it's Winter and you're at the Busstop ...
You have your Gloves on ...
You have an incoming call ...
You take your iPhone out of the pocket (one hand blocked now)
You try to answer the call ... ?!?!
The Screen doesn't react because you wear Gloves !!!
You take off the Glove from your other hand with your tooth.
Caller want understand you !!!
You'll be the clown at the Busstop
Alternative End:
You will have to use your nose (capacitive screen) to anser your call.
Since it's cold (why else you should have Gloves on) you won't feel the screen ...
You make everybody laugh...
You can answer the call now (if you hitted the right spot with your Nose) ...
You'll be the clown at the Busstop
Touch HD:
Imagine it's Winter and you're at the Busstop ...
You have your Gloves on ...
You have an incoming call ...
You take your Touch HD out of the pocket (one hand blocked now)
You simply TOUCH your HD (screen or Call-Button)
You won't really be a Clown now
But to be honest:
They both have their pros and cons.
regards
fwt
the software the hardware the design
After having read one too many "I hate my Xperia and wish I had an iPhone" thread I thought I'd make a thread for people to remember why they bought an Xperia.
Does it have it's issues? Absolutely, but it makes up for it (for me at least) in many other ways.
I originally bought the Xperia X1a because it was the ONLY 3G capable WVGA device available for AT&T bands (850Mhz and 1900Mhz). It has a nice feeling keyboard, it has a beautiful display, and it has a very nice hand-feel. Even when I pick it up now it just feels so good in the hand. In fact I haven't had one that felt so good to hold since my old SE W810i. I had the Hermes and Kaiser and both were clunky and unenjoyable to hold.
The Xperia keyboard has a very pleasant keyboard. Its clicks are well defined and the arc slider's spring assist makes it a real joy to slide out. Also my battery life has been superb. Even running 24/7 Push E-mail and a separate IMAP account I still get over 48 hours of power.
Also it came with SPB Mobile Shell for FREE. SPB is, arguably the best Windows Mobile Shell available and it was a sheer joy to use, and while the default SE Panels were rather unimpressive I love that I can switch from Titanium/Sense, to SPB, to PointUI, as well as the absolutely gorgeous Growing Panel with just two presses.
While the processor is unimpressive it has been consistently able to run AVC Video at WVGA resolutions (some ROMs worked better than others, actually).
Sony also added a pretty good Xt9 SIP keyboard (I prefer TouchPal anyway) and with custom ROMS bringing Titanium and Sense to my Xperia I wonder why I would get anything else.
Pros:
1) Very High Res screen (More than double the lowly iPhone)
2) Latest UIs (I got SPB MS 3 from Korean site )
3) Great hand-feel
4) Great 3G performance (if you are on U.S. AT&T Xperia X1a is the best, for now)
5) Long Battery life
For those of you who might say I am glossing over some of the downsides, well sure, but this is a why I am HAPPY with my Xperia thread. (I have found most of the complaints to either be largely due to user error, or what I would call "making mountains out of molehills", but that's just my opinion).
Anyone else feel like their much maligned X1 has been getting unfair treatment feel free to offer some positive feedback for the device that, hopefully, we all still love.
P.S. - I got this idea from flamingsamurai
I am loving this phone right now.
*Opera mini feels as fast as my LEO and 3gs.
*The ability to use panels is a good point too.
*HTC Kaiser and TP2 were nice but chunky phones for me (bricks).
*The screen is just about as wide as the iphones and the device is much smaller.
*The hardware keys come in really handy. The optical sensor is good for menus.
*The keyboard is nice with good width for keys.
*Its a beautifully constructed metallic device.
* I am using vakleryire firestorm leo with htc sense activated in the home menu and it feels like a compact leo.
*No accelerometer but I use left softkey remapped to rotate screen.
* Android and Ubuntu are in deep progress as far as I can see (3 OS in one!).
Many more too.
Swap with 1ghz, increased ram/rom and the 0.2 inch for the screen and you have one of the best devices out there!
I like my X1 because it actually 'feels' like a communication device rather than an MP3 player with a call function. I honestly think the iphone looks and feels really dopey. I also have to agree that it feels great in the hands too. The way the keyboard springs open is just incredibly badass. The weight and the metal fascia just feel so classy. The panels are fun to change up every now and then, and I think it's just cool to have windows on such a tiny device. I thought my itouch felt like I had a little computer on me at all times, but the X1 is even more so. I feel a lot more organized on the X1 than I think I would with an iphone.
I had a hard time choosing between the X1 and iphone, but in the end, I couldn't justify paying the same price for a device (3G) with far less inferior hardware specs than the X1 just because of what it is. I generally hate apple products and didn't want to give in to their supremacy by getting and iphone. Sure apple's touchscreen is awesome, but I didn't feel I needed it for a phone; that's where my itouch comes in.
I found that apple's accelerometer annoying sometimes when I'm using it in weird angles, i.e. lying down in bed. I think I'm just glad to know that my X1 would be vastly superior in outer space than an iphone. You know, space-proof, just in case.
In the end I'm glad I made my decision to get the X1 and keep my itouch for my apple needs, rather than combining everything into one device. I'll use my itouch for video, music, and games; my X1 strictly for communication and productivity.
I actually love my X1 and think that it was the best phone I could get. After learning about the potential physical short comings, I'm going to do my best to baby this phone to make it live forever. If she dies, I'll revive her.
Sony eirccson is a pretty cool guy. eh is better than teh ifone and doesn't afraid of anything...
A message to the OP; when did you purchase your X1? Was it brand new. refurbished, or used?
Anyways, if the device was increased to the scale of having a 3.5 inch screen, I would definitely have kept my device.
Absolutely agree with everything said, especially about the X1 being space proof =D
Also people complain about WM, and I have no problem with it, its perfectly logical, and if you use a rom which you like, then it runs fine. Someday you'll be able to jump ship to android. Anyways I'll always love it, its fun to fiddle around with, rather than be a boring symbian phone, where you have no control.
And wheres the fun in having a phone everyone has?
Great thread Hannigan
I wouldn't call the phone cracking by itself user error. It's true, the phone does have good points, but it doesn't get the basics down.
If I have to keep the phone in a safe vault for it to not crack, what use is it?
I like the optical sensor and having the ability to choose between the optical sensor and physical clicks for directional input. However, I hate the feel of the keyboard.
Finally a thread where people actually enjoy the phone
What I like about the X1:
The Professional look and feel of the phone
Screen size and HD Res.
Modding capabilities and Hacks and the Different UI's you can put on it.
Camera front and Back and video recording
Optical mouse pad
Keyboard
Speed of phone, yes thats right I said Speed.
Wifi
GPS
HD games/PS1, sigh....... I miss Call of Duty 2 but I just couldn't go back to Sh!ty 6.1
And most of all The fact that their very little people that have heard of or seen this phone where i live. Actually I'm the only that owns one I don't know anybody with this phone in Auburn,NY .
@Rydock I'm glad to see your enjoying your X1 so far.
I'm still getting use to my X2 (just got it this week) but over all the more I get use to it the more I love it.
Single greatest reason why I love my X2 is .... Keyboard! =) (I hate typing on my ipod touch, nor do my fingers allow for a smooth scroll on the screen).
My only hope is the 2 up and coming firmwares fixes the little minor issues I have.
poetryrocksalot said:
A message to the OP; when did you purchase your X1? Was it brand new. refurbished, or used?
Anyways, if the device was increased to the scale of having a 3.5 inch screen, I would definitely have kept my device.
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I bought mine new on eBay from an Australian retailer selling a Telstra NextG model (it comes unlocked). Only U.S. sources I could find had significantly higher prices for the X1a. I received it in February or so I think? About 1 year old.
Why do you ask about age and status? I presume you had one and are on U.S. AT&T. Were you curious since it is so rare in U.S.?
P.S. - I would prefer a bigger, flush screen. Then again it is still the largest screened phone I have ever had. And for me the physical keyboard is a huge benefit (Had Hermes and Kaiser before so I like them side sliders).
My X1 is still my favourite phone, the modding capabilities are what does it for me.
I like the fact it's my phone, I've customised it to how I want it to work, I can't do that to any other phone I've owned.
The screen is great, it runs smoothly, i can get push email from multiple accounts no problem, I sync my contacts and calendar, vide oplayback is generally good, ther are a few files that is has problems with, but that's pretty rare.
Sound quality is great, shame abut the speaker, but I generally have it on silent and use a bluetooth headset or headphones.
It looks great, the build is solid, it's been dropped countless times now, ther are a few dents, cracks and scratches, but I expect that after the battering it's had over the last months!
I love having a QWERTY, but I wish it was more friendly for single hand use.
I've found myself using titanium over any panels, and things like the wifi router abilities, even torrents, mean i can do anything I want on it.
The X2 with a 1GHz processor would probably be my ideal phone! Just wish that looked more like the X1.
I'm happy to see that there are at least a few of us who are more than satisfied with the Xperia
It's always good to hear some positivity for a change. Thanks for the input, to all of you.
It's been a year since I last used my Xperia regularly. I would like to use it more, because I really enjoy the QWERTY keyboard (it has four rows and a dedicated @ button, etc) and it's a very versatile device. There are some great ROMs out for it now as well: Sense 2.5, Windows Mobile 6.5.3, X2 and what not.
But what keeps me from going back to it is the Xperia's tiny screen, in combination with the high resolution. WVGA is mainly used on 4, 3.7 and 3.5 inch displays, and not on merely 3 inches. In fact, is there even another 3" WVGA device in the world? It looks great, sure, but everything is so petite that it hurts my eyes
I think such a small display also puts a lid on the overall user experience. If the Xperia had a 3.5" display, or even 3.2", I would have used it *a lot* more. Because as pointed out in this thread, it does have plenty of strengths.
Hi all,
in fact I just BOUGHT an X1 afresh!
I'm using an HTC Touch HD with customized ROM as my primary device, and still think that's the best setup for me. The only things that bugged me were the width and the absolute lack of any tactile experience.
So I shopped around ...
In fact I actually ordered a Motorola Milestone: I wanted to see if I liked Android, the reviews are enthusiastic, and it has a hardware keyboard.
Guess what: I sent it back the day it was delivered. (but that's another story)
And so I went back to Windows Mobile.
My new X1 (and in fact it is brand new) has everything that I was looking for. It sits well in your hand, and I mean as a phone it feels just right. I'm quite happy with the keyboard, and I love the rich feel of the slider. And finally: Hardware buttons hooray!
Other than that it's got pretty much everything my Touch HD has, minus the G-sensor (and I can live with that).
So I use the HD for business (because it's lightweight and discreet to carry in a jacket) and for navigation (big screen!) and the X1 for leisure. Btw, the media panel is just amazing in terms of audio output!
All in all I've fully returned to WM thanks to the X1, and I don't see myself migrating to Android, WebOS, iPhone or Symbian any time soon. Windows Phone 7 Series (or whatever it's called) is downright scary in its restrictions, so I'm glad that 6.x will still be around for power users like us.
Bliss.
N.