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opera mini: question

I would to try opera mini, but on the official site I can't understand wich version is the best for the HD:
http://www.operamini.com/download/pc/htc/

Dude the HD comes with Opera installed? I believe you can upgrade the version 2682 that comes installed to version 2745. check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442252
Is Opera mini somehow better or different to Opera Mobile???

Just installed opera mini on my blackstone.
and it works like a dream.
its runs so much faster than the full version its almost unbelievable! the text might be a bit on the small side, but the pointer comes in handy for all that.
just doing some tests on the the independant website. downloaded, rendered and displayed in about 7 seconds. compare that against the full opera where your looking at about 20 seconds for the whole front page to display.
the mini version also offers proper double clicks for links and none of this zooming in and out by accident malarky.
get onto it. you won't regret it.
for the record installed the PPC600 Mogul version and everything looks great.

IIRC opera mini pre renders everything through their servers?

matthoy said:
Just installed opera mini on my blackstone.
and it works like a dream.
its runs so much faster than the full version its almost unbelievable! the text might be a bit on the small side, but the pointer comes in handy for all that.
just doing some tests on the the independant website. downloaded, rendered and displayed in about 7 seconds. compare that against the full opera where your looking at about 20 seconds for the whole front page to display.
the mini version also offers proper double clicks for links and none of this zooming in and out by accident malarky.
get onto it. you won't regret it.
for the record installed the PPC600 Mogul version and everything looks great.
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which versione doo you use? could you link me pls?
I think that is faster that normal opera and more suitable for gprs and 3g navigation than normal opera, isn't it?

in blackstone should be preinstalled opera not opera mini
yes, I'm sure. for me the mini version is far superior than it's big brother (Full RRS support for starters - yes i know the blackstone has the RSS hub, but this isn't linked to full opera browser - so not much use really).
there will be some sites that work better on the full version, but as far as my testing today has gone, all of the sites i used look and perform better in the mini version.

matthoy said:
yep.
and it looks great on the touch;s big screen.
i used it a lot on my e650 (suffered from a lot of image duplication when wrapping the page to the screen) but not on the touch, it's great!
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could you link the version of operamini you use on blackstone pls?

http://www.operamini.com/download/pc/htc/htc_ppc6800_mogul/
just download to the two file from there.
opera-mini-advanced.jad
opera-mini-advanced.jar
stick them in a temp folder.
then run the java app. install --> local files.
jobsagoodun'

Opera mini is great if you have slow connection(GPRS only), it is very fast, much faster browser than opera mobile. BTW original opera mobile freezes very often on my HD.

matthoy said:
http://www.operamini.com/download/pc/htc/htc_ppc6800_mogul/
just download to the two file from there.
opera-mini-advanced.jad
opera-mini-advanced.jar
stick them in a temp folder.
then run the java app. install --> local files.
jobsagoodun'
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thx
I woult to know one thing:
why this versione htc_ppc6800_mogul is the best for blackstone?
do you think will be released a dedicated version of opera mini for blasktone?

Mini Is Mini!!
to me..mini isnt worth it. TOO SMALL, not that much faster either. I cant find a zoom either.
After regular Opera, need jewelers loupes to read it.
Have to use stylus....blah blah...no way

Hell
I like the MINI - very fast
BUT
Does anybody know a trick to make the Font bigger ?
The menu is so small - even with the settings set to biggest Font
Thank you for help

Now why doesn't Opera Mobile have a function to zoom out to a total overview like mini does. I'm sick of spending 5 minutes scrolling down a long page with all the annoying f***** lockups!!

jackthekayman said:
thx
I woult to know one thing:
why this versione htc_ppc6800_mogul is the best for blackstone?
do you think will be released a dedicated version of opera mini for blasktone?
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There is one version of opera mini only. The only small differnce on some versions is that some versions are signed for differend java runtimes. That means you dont have to grant internet and storage access all the time. but the browser itself is allways the same - i even use i on a very low end mobile motorola L6...
There wont be dedicated blackstone version, but maybe they will increase the fontsize with comin up more and more VGA and WVGA devices

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There is one version of opera mini only. The only small differnce on some versions is that some versions are signed for differend java runtimes. That means you dont have to grant internet and storage access all the time. but the browser itself is allways the same - i even use i on a very low end mobile motorola L6...
There wont be dedicated blackstone version, but maybe they will increase the fontsize with comin up more and more VGA and WVGA devices
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ok thx very much

another thread
have you checked out ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407656

cheaper
From what I know, the opera mini goes through operas server which compresses the web sites and reduces the gprs cost very much compared to the full opera!

I can't find in opera mini how to enable the zoom button...is it there?

Opera mini - full screen?
Hi!
One question concerning opera mini - does it run in full screen on the touch hd?
On my htc X7500 there are the operating system bars above and under the java runtime so opera mini cannnot use all the display and run in full screen mode
Could someone please post a photo of the HD running opera mini with a web site like cnn.com loaded?
thanks!

ubik said:
Hi!
One question concerning opera mini - does it run in full screen on the touch hd?
On my htc X7500 there are the operating system bars above and under the java runtime so opera mini cannnot use all the display and run in full screen mode
Could someone please post a photo of the HD running opera mini with a web site like cnn.com loaded?
thanks!
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yes it's full screen.
By the way, I have problems with entering address, because no keyboard is available. How do you do it guys?

Why isn't anyone adding Skyfire as the default browser....

Why isn't anyone adding Skyfire as the default browser on any of these ROMS? Just asking. I've heard great things about Skyfire but I'm guessing you guys must know something that I don't. I'm sure there has to be a reason. Would it work with the Push Internet function on Rhodium?

When I had my smartphone I used skyfire all the time, but when I started using HTC devices skyfire just looked crappy to be honest. Its pretty low resolution and opera looks soo much better.

Yup yup!
Low res
Crappy looking
I ONLY use it for flash player to stream videos off websites.

i knew there was a reason.
but does Opera support flash and play videos on as many sites as Skyfire?

Robes1,
Opera doesn't support flash, but you can stream off it. I have Coreplayer so when I click on a video off a website like youtube. Coreplayer would open up and play the video. Unlike Skyfire it would open right from the site and play.

I have a different problem, ive had my TP2 for 2 days now and flashed my first ever rom onto a phone just last night (thanks to the great walkthrough on this site)
So I went to put skyfire on my phone but when I go to the skyfire site on my phone it tells me it's not compatible with my phone? I don't think I'm doing something right. I downloaded the skyfire software to my computer, same with google maps, and I guess I just dont know how to add applications to my phone. I couldn't find a walkthrough on how to add apps through any faq or with the search function (including google searching lol)
I apologize for being such a noob but can anyone help? I imagine adding an app should be as simple as clicking dragging and setting up but I guess I'm just not technologically smart enough to grasp this. Any help would be appreciated!

make sure that you are installing the cab file. If I remember correctly, you can download a pc installer and a cab file. the cab file is what you install on the phone. I use skyfire all the time even though it looks terrible on my beautiful TP2 screen.

HeavyComponent said:
Robes1,
Opera doesn't support flash, but you can stream off it. I have Coreplayer so when I click on a video off a website like youtube. Coreplayer would open up and play the video. Unlike Skyfire it would open right from the site and play.
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Opera does support flash. Search for fixOperaFlash on xda, and you'll find it The only thing opera doesn't support = Silverlight, which skyfire does

pnxsinned said:
Opera does support flash. Search for fixOperaFlash on xda, and you'll find it The only thing opera doesn't support = Silverlight, which skyfire does
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hmm... Silverlight's great and all, but I see it being used more for interactive applications than passive media. I thought that skyfire wasn't being built for games?

roms not having manila folder
about everyone adding opera as default browser having it embedded in the rom is a bit of a pain. it seems that a lot of them are removing the manila folder out from application data folder and also removing the internetportal.xml file. that file was able to be edited and have you launch whatever browser you wanted from the internet tab in touchflo3d. only rom i have found that still has this folder and file is Romeos rom v1.04 which is available to download. u can then go here http://www.fuzemobility.com/how-to-change-the-tf3d-default-browser/ and make skyfire your default. works with romeo rom

Robes1 said:
Why isn't anyone adding Skyfire as the default browser on any of these ROMS? Just asking. I've heard great things about Skyfire but I'm guessing you guys must know something that I don't. I'm sure there has to be a reason. Would it work with the Push Internet function on Rhodium?
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Not only does it display poorly on newer WVGA devices, Skyfire is not ready for daily use
I was using it yesterday after a fully charged battery and in 2 hrs my battery needed to be charged again

skyfire is kinda low res and isn't as appealing on a wvga screen.

sayoonarachue said:
skyfire is kinda low res and isn't as appealing on a wvga screen.
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Very well said

sayoonarachue said:
skyfire is kinda low res and isn't as appealing on a wvga screen.
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Yeah but is it functionally better than opera?
I have IE, Opera 9.7 and Opera Mobile. Not sure if I should try to uninstall one of the previous and install skyfire.

jmsnyc said:
Yeah but is it functionally better than opera?
I have IE, Opera 9.7 and Opera Mobile. Not sure if I should try to uninstall one of the previous and install skyfire.
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Opera runs smoother than Skyfire, Stick with Opera.

A short time back Skyfire did come out with a version that greatly improves the resolution on VGA and WVGA devices.
Skyfire uses a proxy server. So your data all travels to and from someone elses storage. There is the potential of them collecting personal info on you. Not that I'm paranoid, but it is a good reason for a manufacturer not to build it into a device.
Skyfire tends (IMHO) to not handle a lot of different web sites. I have more issues with it then Opera.
But I keep it installed in case I want to visit a flash enabled site.

It looks ugly and it doesn't use the zoom bar.
Wait, so it supports silverlight? Does that mean I can watch netflix on my phone?

Robes1 said:
Why isn't anyone adding Skyfire as the default browser on any of these ROMS? Just asking. I've heard great things about Skyfire but I'm guessing you guys must know something that I don't. I'm sure there has to be a reason. Would it work with the Push Internet function on Rhodium?
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Skyfire 1.5 is nicer to look at and will allow you flash on over 90% of the internet sites.

if it worked with games i would be all over it, otherwise my broswer of choice is opera mini.
i've noticed most flash content on websites are in the form of advertisement anyway lol

This is the latest and greatest skyfire for tp2.. its a close 2nd to opera.. looks nice now and loads quicker.. Enjoy!

opera mini5 beta

Hi everyone
Just installed this on my hd2 and like it but need to know how to transfer my favourites from my laptop browser (internet explorer) to my hd2 opera mini5.
thanks in anticipation
zip

the hd2 has opera installed as the default browser, why did you install another version?

you can use opera link, though you have to create an account.

opera mini
i installed this version because it looks better than the version installed on the phone , it loads quicker and has a nice interface . i also installed the link but it still doesnt transfer favourites.

It's a lot better than the one on the phone - shame you can't make it link in with Sense, and no multi-touch is an arse too

In other words .. it's better except it's worse ? I still use mobile 9.7.
I've just played with native mini 5, and it's nice, but mobile 10 is better in all aspects, and since I can't live without fluent zoom, I still use 9.7 anyway.

Opera Browser reflow is not consistent

Has anyone noticed how the Opera browser provided with the HD2 doesn'r reflow text correctly when you zoom in or out on text?
For example go to the bbc.com website and find an article on the main page. Then zoom in. It reflows fine. However if you then go into the actual story from the front page reflow to keep all the cahcracters on the screen rather than you neededing to scoll left to right stops working. Then when you go back to the main page the reflow is still not working?
I have tried this on multiple sites and get the same result ! I also tried another HD2 and the same thing happens.
The iphone and Safari does this without fault. Am I missing something that I need to set or is my experience different to everyone else?
I don't want to use skyfire because it comes with different limitations. Is the later version of Opera (v.10) any better in this respect?
I also notice that there isn't a Opera Mobile 10 for the HD2 !? Anyone know where I can get this?

alecs said:
Has anyone noticed how the Opera browser provided with the HD2 doesn'r reflow text correctly when you zoom in or out on text?
For example go to the bbc.com website and find an article on the main page. Then zoom in. It reflows fine. However if you then go into the actual story from the front page reflow to keep all the cahcracters on the screen rather than you neededing to scoll left to right stops working. Then when you go back to the main page the reflow is still not working?
I have tried this on multiple sites and get the same result ! I also tried another HD2 and the same thing happens.
The iphone and Safari does this without fault. Am I missing something that I need to set or is my experience different to everyone else?
I don't want to use skyfire because it comes with different limitations. Is the later version of Opera (v.10) any better in this respect?
I also notice that there isn't a Opera Mobile 10 for the HD2 !? Anyone know where I can get this?
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Here is Opera 10 for the HD2. I don't have a problem with reflow on my device, but then again there are something like 10+ versions of Opera 9.7 floating about.
Have a look here for all the different Opera 9.7 versions, see which works best for you.
*Edit* I use version 35964, it seems to work fine for me.

Its dependant on which build your using......
the one on the t mobile stock rom was perfect.....
I just tried a cleanex rom and opera was not as slick as I was used to....
Im off to try an energy rom and see what thats like.......

Thanks for the information. I have a standard HTC rom and the phone is from the UK.
ROM version 1.66.405.2
Radio version 2.06.51.07
Opera Mobile version 9.7 Build 35627
I'll try downloading the latest version of Opera 10. Thanks.
Just one last thing. I updated my version of Opera so it could play flash with the Flash. Will this install put in an additional version of opera or overwrite the current one?
Does this version natively support Flash?

alecs said:
Just one last thing. I updated my version of Opera so it could play flash with the Flash. Will this install put in an additional version of opera or overwrite the current one?
Does this version natively support Flash?
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It will overwrite the version you have installed. I should think it plays flash, I am not certain as I don't use flash on my HD2 (I assume you mean 9.7), Opera 10 supports it natively for sure.

Thanks for the answers, I have just loaded version 10. Forgive the noob questions....
OMG, It doesn't have pinch to zoom !!!!!!!!!!! Reflow doesn't work because it is set to a double tap zoom and the text seems to left justify too much so the text is cut in half and you have to scroll over to the left! And the Zoom is way to high. I know you can set it to certain zoom levels but its one zoom in and one zoom out. Thats not very good in my book.
Also the settings available seem far less than there were with 9.7.
Also is there any way to change the default search engine from google?
Lastly, is there any way to set vibrate to happen when you click on a link.
I also went to youtube and it doesn't seem to play flash
Not sure I think version 10 is an improvement at the moment. Is there a thread somwhere that talks about opera 10 on xda?

Its pure personal preference, I tried 10 and didnt like it, mainly due to pinch to zoom and reflow......... the flash is tempremental... I got youtube working but other flash content didnt........
Theres no harm in having both 10 and 9.7........
In this case you can have your cake and eat it..........
For flash I'd reccomend skyfire........its quite slow and the ui is ugly and dated but it works 95% of the time as far as flash is concerned......... again though its all down to personal preference...........

The Opera Bible

Watch YouTube videos in Opera 9.7 - easy solution!

I was struggling with the flashOperafix - it didnt work properly, was crashing my browser, etc. I also did not find any plugin which would start the videos in the build-in YT app. But by pure luck I found a solution which is... Opera 9.7 .
Actually it is not the same Opera 9.7 which is provided in HTC HD2 - it is some tweaked or newer version which I think is available only in some networks. Anyway I installed this Opera as mine stopped working completely...
The first thing I did after install was checking out YT and the funny thing - it works like charm! But the best thing is that the video starts in the YT app and when you close it it goes back to the browser! So it works even better than on Safari and the iPhone!
Maybe sb already found it but if not... you need to check it out . Now I'm really happy with my Opera browser and I will try some more pages . I wanted Flash only for YT videos anyway...
I couldn't attach the file (bigger than 8MB) so here's a direct link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?kmtwjynzn4m
If the link stops working it's called "Miri_Opera97_TMO201" so you can google for it.
EDIT: Dailymotion works too! It says it is not compatible with our devices but I ignored and all videos work . The only downside is it does not support embeded videos on other sites but you can't have everything .

Does it support all the functions of the default Opera on the HD2,like multy touch or text page rendering etc.
Does it replace the original opera or I can install it on the storage card an have the best of the two worlds!! as is the case with the Opera 10 which I have installed it on my SC.

hagba said:
Does it support all the functions of the default Opera on the HD2,like multy touch or text page rendering etc.
Does it replace the original opera or I can install it on the storage card an have the best of the two worlds!! as is the case with the Opera 10 which I have installed it on my SC.
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Works exactly like standard Opera 9.7, supports multi-touch, etc. - and it seems to be a little bit faster and more stable. On my phone it replaced the original Opera 9.7 and I'm very happy with that - I think you can install it without worrying as it is exactly the same Opera only better .

Thanks i am already downloading it and will try it soon,my only concern was that if i dont like it I had to HR my device to get back the original Opera,now that seem to be unecessary.
thanks.

I installed it and it works like a breeze!
Just for your information:
The concept it uses is very simple. It adds a m. in front of the youtube link like: m.youtube.com so it basically redirects you to the mobile version of youtube and saves you the hassle of adding the m. yourself (wich worked very well in the original version of Opera)

I tested the ROM artemis 26 ESN, but seems to no work.
I must say that I have customized registration User Agents to be "Desktop" and can influence it, to others of other changes ...
Maybe that's what you do not work for me, anyway thanks for the link.
Greetings.

Wop2k said:
I installed it and it works like a breeze!
Just for your information:
The concept it uses is very simple. It adds a m. in front of the youtube link like: m.youtube.com so it basically redirects you to the mobile version of youtube and saves you the hassle of adding the m. yourself (wich worked very well in the original version of Opera)
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Exactly .