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Phone freezing

Hi,
I have a big problem with my Tytn (sorry if this is already been posted). Quite often the phone freezes, making it impossible to turn on again. The only thing that works is a soft-reset. What is worse, is that when the phone is in this state, although the green light is regularly flashing, it is unable to get phone calls even if the caller gets the normal ringing signal. No trace is left of the call, neither in calls list! This is a really serious issue: please, let me know if you have an idea of how to solve the problem.
Thanks!

I am having the same issue. I haven't been able to isolate it. I was havign to0 restart 1-2 times a day. Same systems press the power button nothing. Lights blinking everything looks ok. but nothing on the screen. and i miss calls. really pain in the ass. I loaded mobile secretary and it hasn;t locked in a day or two which is odd.
I also sometimes have to rpess the power button two times for it to wake

me too
It's happening to me too. I will lose service and the phone doesn't go out and poll automatically when service should be good. It may show 1, 2, 3 bars then when I try to make a call it hangs, and then get an x and a Y!, then searches for service. I have the GSM only hack installed and the activesync workaround and it still does this. It is not useable as a phone.

do a search in this forum.
one relevant thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285974

With all due respect, there is no solution where the link leads to.
I am having the GSM problem also. Just from time to time I am noticing an exclamation mark near the 'antennae' icon in the top bar. When I tap it, I read 'Service unavailable' in the balloon. From that point I may either soft-reset, or switch GSM flight mode on and off, which brings the PIN code keyboard and the phone works again.
I really don't think it is related to power saving, as it happened a few times in the car with TyTN on external power.

mnez said:
With all due respect, there is no solution where the link leads to.
I am having the GSM problem also. Just from time to time I am noticing an exclamation mark near the 'antennae' icon in the top bar. When I tap it, I read 'Service unavailable' in the balloon. From that point I may either soft-reset, or switch GSM flight mode on and off, which brings the PIN code keyboard and the phone works again.
I really don't think it is related to power saving, as it happened a few times in the car with TyTN on external power.
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I think warmkiwi's link may be relevant to jimwormold's original post, which may not be related to your and angled1's problem of failing to poll correctly after dropping it's signal.
Mike

yes, it was. sorry, i should have quoted the original author (jimwormold)

well, sorry for being so picky on you :|
Now when we have defragmented the conversation I wonder if the GSM problem is reported more widely? and what is supposed to do in order to isolate the problem and fix it...?

jimwormold said:
Quite often the phone freezes, making it impossible to turn on again. The only thing that works is a soft-reset. What is worse, is that when the phone is in this state, although the green light is regularly flashing, it is unable to get phone calls
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Sorry to do a "me too" posting, but I experience the exact same symptoms. There is no obvious pattern to when this happens, but it is a major problem, as there is no way (other than trying to switch it on) to distinguish whether the phone is working or not at any given moment.
I am running the latest (South African) ROM on my Vario II.

Philip said:
Sorry to do a "me too" posting, but I experience the exact same symptoms. There is no obvious pattern to when this happens, but it is a major problem, as there is no way (other than trying to switch it on) to distinguish whether the phone is working or not at any given moment.
I am running the latest (South African) ROM on my Vario II.
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Given this thread now appears to have two distinct issues running together I better be clear that I am referring to the lock-up/freezing issue not the dropped GSM signal issue!!
To be honest there are quite a few possible causes for the freezing issue(s). I would suggest searches and the wiki on such things as (and you may or may not have tried some already):
1. Use of a Task Manager to properly shut running programmes otherwise they contiue to run in the background
2. Proper shutting down of Active Sync in addition to any task manager you may have, as it can re-start itself automatically (particularly overnight. Look for the "Fake Server Trick")
3. Always shut down Wifi when not in use (vital particularly overnight but also good practice to avoid lock ups)
4 For overnight and possibly other quiet times you can consider having your device automatically perform a soft reset to clear any running programmes that may block alarms/receipt of mail etc. Look for such things as xbar or SK schema
Mike

mikechannon said:
Given this thread now appears to have two distinct issues running together I better be clear that I am referring to the lock-up/freezing issue not the dropped GSM signal issue!!
1. Use of a Task Manager to properly shut running programmes otherwise they contiue to run in the background
2. Proper shutting down of Active Sync in addition to any task manager you may have, as it can re-start itself automatically (particularly overnight. Look for the "Fake Server Trick")
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Yes indeed, although I think that both: a Phone App problem, and a GSM signal problem, are indeed the same, maybe only differently percepted and described by users affected.
I need ActiveSync to be running in order for DirectPush to work. If it conflicts with the phone, it makes the device unusable concerning push email functionality.

mnez said:
Yes indeed, although I think that both: a Phone App problem, and a GSM signal problem, are indeed the same, maybe only differently percepted and described by users affected.
I need ActiveSync to be running in order to DirectPush work. If it conflicts with the phone, it makes the device unusable concerning push email functionality.
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I agree they may be cause and effect for some folks. Although I don't believe we can say that all the freezing and lock-ups are due to dropped GSM signal and freezing when failing to re-establish it. The items I list either taken together or individually have been found by others to work in some cases.
I appreciate that if you require Active Sync running then this is not a solution for you. I think the issue of crashing on loss of signal requires more analysis and I'm not aware of much discussion of it - though I could be wrong!!
Mike

I was fiddling with the phone yesterday and today, and I have a hypothesis that my problem is related to PIN entry screen that won't pop up but is silently awaiting a PIN underneath.
I was trying to ucheck the "Require PIN when phone is used" box in Settings but with no luck, my PIN is then refused with "Unknown SIM Error" message. Maybe it wants a PUK but I don't have it on hand to try.
My plan now is to:
- uninstall all Phone-related applications (PhonePlus, Dark_Blue Buttons, EZDial),
- request PUK from my office and try to uncheck the box,
- try prepaid SIM card which has no PIN
To observe symptoms I need two-three days, so I will rather not be posting until solid data is collected.
ps Mike, it is a pleasure to be on a board with people like you.

mnez said:
I was fiddling with the phone yesterday and today, and I have a hypothesis that my problem is related to PIN entry screen that won't pop up but is silently awaiting a PIN underneath.
I was trying to ucheck the "Require PIN when phone is used" box in Settings but with no luck, my PIN is then refused with "Unknown SIM Error" message. Maybe it wants a PUK but I don't have it on hand to try.
My plan now is to:
- uninstall all Phone-related applications (PhonePlus, Dark_Blue Buttons, EZDial),
- request PUK from my office and try to uncheck the box,
- try prepaid SIM card which has no PIN
To observe symptoms I need two-three days, so I will rather not be posting until solid data is collected.
ps Mike, it is a pleasure to be on a board with people like you.
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Very kind of you to say so
Look forward to seeing your findings.
Mike

new phone
I'm on day 2 of my replacement phone from Cingular and the problem with losing gsm signal is non existent. The problem was hardware and fixed by calling and getting a warranty replacement phone. I'll let you know if the problem returns. Oh, and I have not been using the gsm only hack. I'm trying to see if the phone will work as designed first.

angled1 said:
I'm on day 2 of my replacement phone from Cingular and the problem with losing gsm signal is non existent. The problem was hardware and fixed by calling and getting a warranty replacement phone. I'll let you know if the problem returns. Oh, and I have not been using the gsm only hack. I'm trying to see if the phone will work as designed first.
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Good news - hope it continues to work well.
Mike

I am reporting from the test field that my problem persists, despite uninstalling all phone-related extenders.
I have noticed that freezing is paired with disabling Bluetooth. So after switching the phone off (flight mode on) and back on (flight mode off), I also have to turn on Bluetooth.
EDIT: I was grounded for last few days at home and freezing problem was not occuring. I am now thinking that it may be related to switching band between GPRS and UMTS. My next step will be disabling UMTS for good. It saves a whole lotta battery, by the way. I am for the third day mostly on standby, with a few calls made, and I am still on 70%! (no 3G in the area)
I have contacted my vendor and asked about replacement policy, they are "checking this with the importer". It's a beauty of living in not-so-western country. Poland is the name.

mnez said:
EDIT: I was grounded for last few days at home and freezing problem was not occuring. I am now thinking that it may be related to switching band between GPRS and UMTS. My next step will be disabling UMTS for good. It saves a whole lotta battery, by the way. I am for the third day mostly on standby, with a few calls made, and I am still on 70%! (no 3G in the area)
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I'm having exactly the same problem, very annoying because the staus LEDs keep blinking as normal. I too think the problem is UMST-GPRS switching related, as I also have problems when phoning while I drive with my car from a UMTS enabled into a GPRS only zone. The voice call is interupted and I get a loud noise, sounding like a scrambled voice, on both sides of the connection. At home my UMTS signal is very weak, so I think it happens when I move around the house to a place where the TyTN switches to GPRS.
I've put my TyTN to "GSM network" only now to see if this helps, but I use UMTS frequently so this is no long term solution for me.
pbw

same problem here, only gsm wil not help, new sim cards wont help either even other provider wont help
check: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=287669
treid several different roms nothing will help
good luck

Hi,
mine was siffering of freezing issue, I sent a mail to HTC support, they don't know about it but the guy said me that I must to hard reset my device. Then no more freezes, I will keep testing it.
Regards,
Taguapire.
BTW: I changed my old and almost destroyed SIM card by a new one.

P4350 not ringing after being idle for a while

Hi,
I have one of 6 P4350's that go into a "hibernation" mode after being idle for about an hour or so. If the phone is called, the caller will hear it ringing, but the handset does not ring. If the power button is depressed or the slider opened during the ringing, the device will start to ring.
When it is this mode, it will not accept SMS or give a missed calls notification.
Has any had any similar experiences?
Thanks

What do you mean by you have 1 of 6? My 4350 goes into a hibernation mode; they all should.
Anyways have you tried to hardreset it?

We have 6 4350s and I own one, but all 6 give the same problem. I agree that it should go into power save mode, but after being in this mode for about an hour it will not ring when called.
Yes, we have hard reset them with no success. After a hard reset, the device boots and then a customisation process runs. Is there any way to prevent this process from running?

So all 6 have the problem of not ringing when asleep? I find that very amazing that you have 6 devices that are not working correctly. Perhaps its a setting but I don't recall ever seem a setting of this nature on my phone. Do you know what ROM version you are running? Have you tried a different providers SIM in the phone?

Yep,
All six give the same problem. Strange thing is that they run 2 different ROM versions.
We got our provider to run some checks and they can "page" the phone from the switch and it responds, but yet will not ring. I will try a SIM from another provider and see if that solves the problem.

I seem to have the same problem on my new P4350.
After being idle for some time, for example when i get up in the morning, it doesnt receive incoming phone calls. And a hard reset did not help either.
Do you already know the solution to this problem?

The same with me... on WM6

The Solution
Well, it seems to work again.
But i don't really know how i solved it
It's one of three things:
1. I changed a setting which said to automatically switch of the device after three minutes or so.
2. After calling my telco provider they said that i should switch of my phone for at least 10 minutes each day so that the SIM card has up-to-date network information.
3. I installed a new SIM card, which was necessary because of a new subscription.
I think that the first solution did not really help, since i think that after i changed that the phone still didnt work a few times. Same for the second solution.
But after i installed the new SIM card, it has not happened once
"Knockin on wood"
Hope this can help some of you in solving this problem.

Phone Doesn't Ring when in the standby mode !! Help Please!!

After a reboot it works fine for a few days (2-3 days)
Then the prblem starts.If you manually put it in standby mode (screen off) and make a call to the phone it rings. But if you wait till it goes to standby mode by itself it wil not ring. But it will show that you had a missed call when you resume the phone.
If you manually put it in standbye mode it starts doing i after while.
If you hard Reset the phone and resinstall everything, it works fine for a month or so then it starts doing the same thing as abovee.
Has anyone experienced this?
Is this a defective phone?
Thanks,

Phone not ringing when in standby
actually i've been having the same problem. every once in a while when i turn my phone back on from standby, i get all the text messages and missed calls that i got during the time it was in standby. i know this happened often with older versions of wm, but i thought it'd be fixed by now.
it happens about once a month, but it'd be nice to not miss important calls since i use it for work

lftrejo said:
actually i've been having the same problem. every once in a while when i turn my phone back on from standby, i get all the text messages and missed calls that i got during the time it was in standby. i know this happened often with older versions of wm, but i thought it'd be fixed by now.
it happens about once a month, but it'd be nice to not miss important calls since i use it for work
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This is really interesting. It seems to happen on some phones but not on some others. in out office it happens only on that one phone. I wonder if some of the phones are deffective.

I have the same problem with my phone and it is really frustrating. My phone still doesn't seem to ring or vibrate even sometimes when I bring it out of standby mode. The screen flips on and I get a notification...but no vibration or sound.
I frequently check to be sure that my notifications are set up in the settings properly. Weird.

brynhewko said:
I have the same problem with my phone and it is really frustrating. My phone still doesn't seem to ring or vibrate even sometimes when I bring it out of standby mode. The screen flips on and I get a notification...but no vibration or sound.
I frequently check to be sure that my notifications are set up in the settings properly. Weird.
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We spoke to HTC about this. They said it's a known problem and they are
working on it.
Have you tried a hard reset? (hold Talk & End together and press the rest button. ****Be carefull this wipes out all data and reinstalls everything**).
We found out that for the time being rebooting soelves the problem for a few days. Hard reset solves the problem for a few weeks.

I have done a Hard Reset earlier with some success (for a few days). I find that a reboot typically solves the problem only for a couple of hours. I will eagerly await an HTC fix. haha.

brynhewko said:
I have done a Hard Reset earlier with some success (for a few days). I find that a reboot typically solves the problem only for a couple of hours. I will eagerly await an HTC fix. haha.
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Try disabling time synchronization under the phone options. That's seemed to have "fixed" my issue I experienced almost daily. I'm going on three weeks with no freezes.

avoges said:
Try disabling time synchronization under the phone options. That's seemed to have "fixed" my issue I experienced almost daily. I'm going on three weeks with no freezes.
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Did that fix a freeze problem? Ours doesn't freeze. You can easily bring it out of standby. But while in standbye it doesn't ring. Are we talking about the same problem?
Thanks,

SultanH said:
Did that fix a freeze problem? Ours doesn't freeze. You can easily bring it out of standby. But while in standbye it doesn't ring. Are we talking about the same problem?
Thanks,
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Maybe you're right, I experienced a slightly different issue. My phone wouldn't ring when someone called AND I couldn't bring it out of standby - it would not respond to a power button press. Disabling time synchronization fixed this and it now always rings.

I used to have this issue when I had my Touch checking my email once every hour. After a hard reset and changing to manual email sync the problem has been eliminated.
Keep in mind there is still an issue when the battery drops below 30% where the phone will not wake up for notifications. A charge and soft reset will fix this issue.
Hope this helps.

This is a know problem with the touch so far this is what has come about
hp://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=11805
HTC has mad the phone to shut down when the battery is at 30% from what people are saying to conserve the battery.
go to ppcgeeks.com on this issue, its all over the place

SD memory card is my theory
I think there is a problem with the memory cards on this phone. I don't know if it' a hardware problem or a wm software issue, but when you take the memory card out the phone is much more reliable. I've defintely had the missed call phenonema with the card in and I don't think it ever failed with it out. Many threads talk about flakey memory cards, Has anyone had this problem without the memory card in the phone? I've taken mine out because it is so poorly supported. Attachments cause a problem, activesync doesn't back up pictures from it, I've read other issues about programs that don't run from it!

I had the Standby of Death SOD this is when the phone fails to come out of standby with a power button press. This issue only affects some people on some networks. I'm not sure if its a network problem or a software problem but as only a minority of people have it, I suspect its mainly a network problem there is a software solution.
The solution is to change the phone settings band option from auto 3G/2G to either 3G Only (WCDMA + UTMS 2100 in Europe) or 2G Only (GSM + AUTO) depending on your requirements.
Also read this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=540943&highlight=standby&page=2 where the resolution was to get a new SIM.
Obviously this only solves the problem when the crash is because of the sim and/or settings which impact the sim. To rule out a software cause its best to start with a hard reset.

Problem with Niki100

I dont know if anyone else has ever had this problem but my Niki doesnt seem to come out of standby. When switched on all is well you can call and recieve calls too, as soon as the backlight turns itself off and it goes into standby the screen doesnt want to light up again. The green indication light is still on but no visable screen. Any help from anyone would be much appriciated.
Ive tried installing a new ROM but it still keep on doing the same thing.

I had the Standby of Death SOD this is when the phone fails to come out of standby with a power button press. This issue only affects some people on some networks. I'm not sure if its a network problem or a software problem but as only a minority of people have it, I suspect its mainly a network problem there is a software solution.
The solution is to change the phone settings band option from auto 3G/2G to either 3G Only (WCDMA + UTMS 2100 in Europe) or 2G Only (GSM) depending on your requirements.
Also read this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=540943&highlight=standby&page=2where the resolution was to get a new SIM.
Obviously this only solves the problem when the crash is because of the sim and/or settings which impact the sim. To rule out a software cause its best to start with a hard reset.

Hermes freezing

Hi everybody!
First of all sorry if there's already a thread for this kind of freezing but i havent found answers.
My HERMES freezes completely, won't let me access screen, power button or any other function. It just gets stuck in what i was doing (mainly today screen).
Only way to make it work is to soft reset it. Is this a common problem?
Now as i write i realized the phone ain't working, now i recall i saw a blinking NOGSM when reseting!
I got this unit from a guy in the UK, it's weird because i remember it worked when i first tested it. Then i sold it to a guy and this guy claimed problems, could it be something to do with the sim card perhaps? Can it be a hardware problem?
Haven't got a clue. I appreciate your help!

I've seen people reporting similar problems when an old SIM card is used - so the owner might want to replace his old SIM with a new one, if that's the case.
Also, check if the SIM fits securely into its socket. I was having a problem with the radio suddenly turning off just yesterday, and it seems to be gone after I cleaned the SIM's contact pads and re-inserted it firmly.
Regardless, I suggest the "standard" troubleshooting be performed - that is, disabling automatic ActiveSync via the fake server trick, making sure today plugins are installed to the main storage (and not to the SD card), checking the registry for invalid entries etc.
Overall, most freezes are because of software, not hardware. Today plugins are known to cause freezes, as well as poorly cooked ROMs. If anything else fails and the freezes are not clearly related to GSM/SIM, try reflashing the phone with an official ROM image and run it for a week or so without installing any additional software. If the freezing persists, then it might really indicate a hardware issue

thanks a lot for your reply DmytroL, that was really helpful ill let you know if replacing sim works when i actually have another sim to test it!

Keeping my fingers crossed, as in my case, SODs (standby of death) disappeared exactly when I replaced my old SIM that dates back to 2001 with a way newer one. I've had only a single radio crash since then, which I'd attribute to the Phone Today plugin. At least, no radio crashes since I've disabled that plugin. The battery drain has also decreased significantly.
I really hope the old SIM was the root cause of all this nightmare. Time will tell...

Yes you are right I had the Standby of Death SOD this is when the phone fails to come out of standby with a power button press. This issue only affects some people on some networks. I'm not sure if its a network problem or a software problem but as only a minority of people have it, I suspect its mainly a network problem there is a software solution.
The solution is to change the phone settings band option from auto 3G/2G to either 3G Only (WCDMA + UTMS 2100 in Europe) or 2G Only (GSM) depending on your requirements.
Also read this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=540943&highlight=standby&page=2 where the resolution was also to get a new SIM.
Obviously this only solves the problem when the crash is because of the sim and/or settings which impact the sim. To rule out a software cause its best to start with a hard reset.

The solution I found was removing the SIM card for it to work properly. I kept on reading and apparently the radio chip is sometimes badly designed (probably from a bad batch) and heats up more than it should causing it to fail. That is why it worked at the beginning and then froze after a couple of minutes. Solution to that was either paying twice of what the phone cost me to get a replacement board or actually earning money by selling the phone for spares!! For my shame in this forum i did the latter Anways hope the experience helps!

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The solution I found was removing the SIM card for it to work properly. I kept on reading and apparently the radio chip is sometimes badly designed (probably from a bad batch) and heats up more than it should causing it to fail. That is why it worked at the beginning and then froze after a couple of minutes. Solution to that was either paying twice of what the phone cost me to get a replacement board or actually earning money by selling the phone for spares!! For my shame in this forum i did the latter Anways hope the experience helps!
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Maybe you could of just replaced the SIM itself with a new one, as sometimes that solves the SOD problem when adjusting the settings which impact the SIM ie setting 2G or 3G only from AUTO doesn't.

i´d tried it with 3 different sims and no change in the results!

nikoleman said:
i´d tried it with 3 different sims and no change in the results!
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I guess you didn't have the chance to set it to either 3G or 2G only from AUTO 3G/2G, on my network I have to do this to avoid SOD regardless of SIM. The default phone options result in SOD on a regular basis, now with 3G only (WCDMA + UMTS 2100) = Zero SOD and a totally stable phone.