A buddy of mine showed me his PSP. Pretty cool device...Some good gaming...Movie playback rocks.
How does the Athena compare especially with the ATI Graphics chip??
Movies? Best Game? SoCom? ....grin....
Are there games optimized for the ATI chip?
I have both PSP and U1000. You just simply can't compare the two together as PSP's game are specifically and professionally design with a specialize graphic chip/GPU in mind. PSP's game surely leave PPC game in dust. But other application wise, PPC excel, PSP is just too lacking in this area.
ATI GPU
How do we think the ATI GPU compares..performance-wise? How is the movie playback comparison?
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How do we think the ATI GPU compares..performance-wise? How is the movie playback comparison?
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Go to the AMD/ATI website and check ouyt the specs and features of the ATI chip.
You will find it is optimised for MP4 (ASP) playback in WM10 (handles it beautifully) it is also responsible for the 3megapixel camera and 2D only acceleration in games.
So...sorry, no 3D games acceleration.
Movieplayback is very good using TCPMP or Coreplayer (can use DVD rips without re-encoding) and looks DVD/High Def quality, but without ATI hardware acceleration I'm afraid.
Once this incompatibility between the ATI hardware and Coreplayer/TCPMP has been resolved, we should be able to experience excellent movie playback at very high bitrates and at true 640x480 resolution. Having said that, this has been an ongoing issue since the HTC Hermes last September and hasn't truly been fixed as a joint venture between ATI & Coreplayer (still in progress, but ATI/AMD are dragging their feet!!).
So there you have it people. For games buy a dedicated gaming device for everything data related and occasional 2D high res gaming, you can do no better than the Athena IMHO.
Compromise? Get the XDA Flame Pocket PC Phone from O2 Asia which has the worlds most powerful gaming GPU for a PPC. The Nvidia 5500 GPU which supports High def video playback and Full 3D support on a hardware level.
But remember, it's no Athena either.
mackaby007 Rocks
Look at the title.
This post rocks.
Thanks Mackaby007.
Favorite 2D game?
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Look at the title.
This post rocks.
Thanks Mackaby007.
Favorite 2D game?
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Thanks for that benmorris. Nice to be appreciated.
I've tried dozens of games on the Ameo, but I really only like VGA optimized games so hence 2D games etc. Currently I only have a few installed: Mahjong being my fav.
Does the Shift's WM side suffer from the dreaded lack of video acceleration enabled drivers affecting most current HTC devices? This would show up as relatively mediocre video performance while playing TCPMP or Slingplayer. On the Shift I would expect no less than 30fps using Slingplayer.
ok, if no one knows the answer directly, maybe we can infer it...
I'd really like to find out the performance of Slingplayer for example. It is well-documented that this is an app that suffers in many newer HTC devices due to the lack of drivers specifically taking advantage of the video hardware.
Can anyone report the fps and bitrate they are getting while using Slingplayer Mobile on the Shift? I have a Slingbox available if anyone needs testing.
I think RealVGA may be needed to see the full layout of Slingplayer while it is running to display the fps in the upper right hand corner of the screen.
thanks.
It appears the Treo 800w has Direct3D support.
I'm curious if the D3Demo can be run on devices to determine their D3D ability?
anyone have it?
http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/treo_800w_direct3d_hardware_ac.html
Here is the D3D Demo App.
I get 4fps on my Titan
~35fps on HTC Elf
My own test with a textured cylinder (100 triangles) renders ~10fps.
edit: stupid post, the OP had already said what i said :/ oops
Wow. 3 whole FPS on my Kaiser!!!
Surur
About 37 fps on my prophet...
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Wow. 3 whole FPS on my Kaiser!!!
Surur
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If you are brave enough try
http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20080718_1
47-50 fps on my Elfin with overclook!!!
at 273Mhz
More than 20fps on Kaiser with D3D drivers. No FPS display however.
No FPS display here too, but it displays quite well
~30 fps with my P3470 Phraros
3.67 on my touch dual roflcopters!
So, until now no device with hardware acceleration! This simple demo should run with hundreds of fps. Anybody with a htc diamond wants to try?
haha
This Wierd i Get 39.08 FPS on HP IPAQ it like the more powerful the device is the slower the FPS and The Crappier Specs device the FPS is higher
So I tried the demo on my Diamond, there was no FPS displayed but the cube and it's orbiting ball moved very smoothly with no noticeable frame dropping. I'd confidently guess at over 30fps. CorePlayer works great with no frame dropping on xvids, but I'd like to try a good graphics intensive game that supported the diamond hardware.
Is my Sprint HTC Touch with WM6.1 supposed to be getting 3FPS? Seems awful slow to me.
mine doesnt show the fps i have the new drivers on the tilt but it runs pretty smooth
3fps on my tilt, running Dutty's 4/29 rom WITHOUT drivers.
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So I tried the demo on my Diamond, there was no FPS displayed but the cube and it's orbiting ball moved very smoothly with no noticeable frame dropping. I'd confidently guess at over 30fps. CorePlayer works great with no frame dropping on xvids, but I'd like to try a good graphics intensive game that supported the diamond hardware.
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So no text display on your HTC Diamond?
I wonder if this is why the Kaiser is afflicted too since it uses some Diamond dlls.
runs smooth as silk here on my Himalaya, which surprised me quite a bit
though i can't tell you the exact framerate as the textdisplay for them is somehow missing, i guess the framerate is somewhere between 30-40 fps or something like that...
So here's my story:
I recently bought Samsung Omnia on which I did extensive tests on video playback
with CorePlayer 1.2.5 and TCPMP and with various video formats such as:
H264 Baseline 3 480x272 (originally encoded for playback in iPod Touch)
Various XviD encoded videos with resolutions varying from 640x360 to 720x400
Using DirectDraw as video output in both CorePlayer and TCPMP
the result was awful, dropped frames, awful motion and distorted colors.
However since the Omnia has the fastest CPU I know in WM Device so far,
the Marvell PXA312, 624MHz with IntelXScale acceleration,
the CorePlayer and TCPMP gives this as an option for video output the IntelXScale acceleration.
So when using this setting the video playback of any type of encoding was absolutely beautiful.
Colors were correct, performance was amazing (even in double playback speed) it was in general as smooth as it gets.
For a powerfull (hardware-wise) device such as omnia, I was very disappointed
in the resolution of the screen (240x400 - wqvga) and its size 2.8".
For this kind of device which has literally everything one would expect it
to have same screen size and resolution as the touch hd.
I rushed to buy this device I must admit and so I sold it to a friend after experimenting with it for one week.
The reason that I gave away so fast the Omnia was simply the Blackstone.
Since I am kind of perfectionist as far as it concerns screen resolutions, the touch hd is no match with any other phone/ppc device out there.
So here comes the real concern, how is the performance on video playback on the blackstone?
For a multimedia device like this one would expect that the performance
would be excellent (much like the omnia or even better if it can).
But what concerns me is the Qualcomm cpu at 528Mhz which as far as I can tell
doesn't have IntelXScale acceleration (plz correct me if i'm wrong on this)
So if it uses only DirectDraw and the results are crappy, then this would be such a turn off.
Can this CPU give a smooth video playback performance on a 640x360 XviD avi video
with "Smooth zoom: ON" and "Zoom: Fill Screen" settings on either CorePlayer or TCPMP?
And keep in mind that we are talking about realtime upsizing of the video to 800x480
which IMHO requires quite a lot of cpu power for such device.
Because really I am not willing to spend 700 euro on a multimedia phone
that can't actually perform well on multimedia.
I'd love to hear someone that has it and tested it on that matter.
Thanks for reading!
We really want to know the answer for your question, And I think that we have to wait until we see the phone on the market and get some benchmarks.
Also I think that SE in their xperia phone did what you are asking for ..! In the same beautiful screen resolution 800x480
Thank you,
Mohammed
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We really want to know the answer for your question, And I think that we have to wait until we see the phone on the market and get some benchmarks.
Also I think that SE in their xperia phone did what you are asking for ..! In the same beautiful screen resolution 800x480
Thank you,
Mohammed
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More like SE said to HTC "We want an awesome phone, but we don't want you to tell us what's in it, and we'll just make Magnus make up stuff as we go, also we suck at marketing."
touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
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touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
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I sure hope so, because I would say I'm not so satisfied with the Touch Diamond performance. Let me explain:
Since this matter is really killing me, I need to be sure it can perform well on video (not extreme stuff, the standard-like video formats we all use).
So I decided to make a test, since i don't own a Touch Diamond (which has the same hardware), I went to a local retail store that had the device on display for ppl to see and experiment with, I installed coreplayer and sent a 40" 608x400 xvid video with ~900kbps bitrate to test it.
CorePlayer was set automatically with video mode QTv and with TytnII Driver mode enabled (which i suppose is the accelerator driver)
I made sure nothing else was running in the background and the results was not so ok. I was playing just ok, I noticed some frame skips and some "lag" in fast motion.
I just hope the Touch HD has revised hardware (if that's possible) and better drivers maybe?
I really would like to hear an answer from someone that has already his hands on the touch hd
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touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
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but htc is also notorious for not not allowing 3rd party software to use the graphic chip, that is when they do provide drivers for the chip
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but htc is also notorious for not not allowing 3rd party software to use the graphic chip, that is when they do provide drivers for the chip
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so are you saying if i were to install a 3rd party video player, when i try to play video, i will see a blank screen? because this player is 3rd party and can't access the graphic chip?? :S
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so are you saying if i were to install a 3rd party video player, when i try to play video, i will see a blank screen? because this player is 3rd party and can't access the graphic chip?? :S
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No, i'm saying that coreplayer/TCPMP will only be able to use the default qualcomm chip, its exactly like having a graphic card in your pc with no drivers and no in built support
Thats sux
I hope Touch HD has better driver ... because the hardware is the same.
Quite a downer ...
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I sure hope so, because I would say I'm not so satisfied with the Touch Diamond performance. Let me explain:
Since this matter is really killing me, I need to be sure it can perform well on video (not extreme stuff, the standard-like video formats we all use).
So I decided to make a test, since i don't own a Touch Diamond (which has the same hardware), I went to a local retail store that had the device on display for ppl to see and experiment with, I installed coreplayer and sent a 40" 608x400 xvid video with ~900kbps bitrate to test it.
CorePlayer was set automatically with video mode QTv and with TytnII Driver mode enabled (which i suppose is the accelerator driver)
I made sure nothing else was running in the background and the results was not so ok. I was playing just ok, I noticed some frame skips and some "lag" in fast motion.
I just hope the Touch HD has revised hardware (if that's possible) and better drivers maybe?
I really would like to hear an answer from someone that has already his hands on the touch hd
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No, i'm saying that coreplayer/TCPMP will only be able to use the default qualcomm chip, its exactly like having a graphic card in your pc with no drivers and no in built support
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If that is the case, then I dont understand it. I mean why HTC would go through all this trouble to have an extra graphics chip in their devices when no other than their own app could ever use? So they put a graphic chip with 3d capabilities and video acceleration for just their own apps like touchflo 3d ?
Isn't it just stupid?
Yes, that would be stupid. Fortunately though, there is quite some talk about the HD having an optimized chipset compared to the Diamond, even though this does not include the processor. It is already evident by the many movies that the device performs faster than the diamond even with the same processor, so I doubt you'd have exactly the same performance issues as with the diamond. Though there is only one way to be sure: wait 2 more weeks and everybody will own one.
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.......... wait 2 more weeks and everybody will own one.
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Hell...i cant agree with you more..almost everyone i know is either 'buying one' or 'Wants to buy one'....whatever happened to the times when there were a few geeks like me who went out and bought a winmo phone....whatever happened to the iphone??...lol
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Hell...i cant agree with you more..almost everyone i know is either 'buying one' or 'Wants to buy one'....whatever happened to the times when there were a few geeks like me who went out and bought a winmo phone....whatever happened to the iphone??...lol
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iPhone died, blackstone killed it
Blackstone is a killer... Woohoo.. We have to send it to prison!!.. I think I might have a good prison here at my home so my blackstone, come for punishment *roarr* lol
Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
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Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
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Hi, if I buy the current coreplayer-version from them, do I get a free update when the 1.3.0 will arrive? Or should I wait until it comes out? This would be the most important application for me on the Touch HD.. Greez, cad^^
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Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
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Fingers crossed!
They should just forget the iPhone, ppl will be finding out about blackstone and they will be throwing their iPhone from the window xD
I guess no problem with playing video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9lLAVidgA&fmt=18
Thanks to johnkorver who own the device, create the video review, and upload it to youtube.
looks promising even though we don't have any other info on the video file except the codec used (xvid).. anyway upscaling works nice and that says much..
one more video playback demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7I6K8U7L4