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I am enjoying my new toy, but compared to my PSP the movies look really crap!
this device has a 600 hz chip and yet struggles with a 640x480 25 fps movie
I downloaded the F4 silver surfer which everyone said was great but compared to a Psp movie it looked like VHS.
does anyone know why this is and will it improve?
spacecat said:
I am enjoying my new toy, but compared to my PSP the movies look really crap!
this device has a 600 hz chip and yet struggles with a 640x480 25 fps movie
I downloaded the F4 silver surfer which everyone said was great but compared to a Psp movie it looked like VHS.
does anyone know why this is and will it improve?
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Get tcpmp downloaded.......if that doesnt improve the playback it might be the same reason why the hermes was crap at video playback.....the OS sucks!
the hermes now plays videos quite nicely on WM6.....are you still on WM5?
no I am on wm6
I read another thread and am trying some different settings so hopefully it will mprove
still for such a pricey device it should work out of the box
it is most likely the conversion software you r using or the format that its in. i use spb mobile dvd 1.2 and i convert it into wmv so i can use wmp10 and not TCPMP. if you want to try a "TRIAL " copy i can send it to you, just drop me a line.
[email protected]
irus said:
it is most likely the conversion software you r using or the format that its in. i use spb mobile dvd 1.2 and i convert it into wmv so i can use wmp10 and not TCPMP. if you want to try a "TRIAL " copy i can send it to you, just drop me a line.
[email protected]
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email has been sent
err its ok i seem to have found the TRIAL copy
nice video here i use tcmp and select the video driver ATI
run a few tests and its better but cant touch PSP AVC movies for quality
spacecat said:
I am enjoying my new toy, but compared to my PSP the movies look really crap!
this device has a 600 hz chip and yet struggles with a 640x480 25 fps movie
I downloaded the F4 silver surfer which everyone said was great but compared to a Psp movie it looked like VHS.
does anyone know why this is and will it improve?
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Hi spacecat.
They are not crap at all. As another member pointed out to you...it's all about the encoding.
DVD rips (like Axxo's torrent rips) look like HQ DVD's on my Athena, but only in a widescreen format. Meaning any bigger resolution and the Athena seems to strugle with lipsync and general performance/playback speed and skipped frames, right?
I did a small test converting 2 High definition movies into 640x368...not quite 480, but the end result was truly fab!!
It still looked high def...virtually filled the entire screen...or fills it depending what player you use...TCPMP is best or Coreplayer v1.1.1 looks a tad better, but no performance issues to complain about and absolutely minimul frames dropped.
But because I don't have the time for all that now, I simply settle for torrent downloads and play them directly via TCPMP or Coreplayer. And they look the nuts. Razor sharp.
Hope it works out for you.
P.S. The only benefit IMHO in using WMP10 and WMV (MP4-ASP) video files, is that it will be accelerated by the Imageon hardware decoder, but Coreplayer and TCPMP can use the Imageon software driver to accelerate all movie formats except WMV.
So in conclusion use WMP10 for WMV and the freeware TCPMP v0.71rc with all plug-ins available for everything else.
I'm still on WM5 and tge movie quality is absolutely sensational. On the other hand, it is crap on both of my two PSPs! I don't bother using my PSPs. I think it is potentially possible to have quality video if I get the settings right in PSP, just like you can have quality video on thus device if your setting is right.
Be careful with the ATI fix cab. I just installed it on the Athena and now my device can not boot pass the second splashscreen
mackaby007 said:
Hi spacecat.
They are not crap at all. As another member pointed out to you...it's all about the encoding.
DVD rips (like Axxo's torrent rips) look like HQ DVD's on my Athena, but only in a widescreen format. Meaning any bigger resolution and the Athena seems to strugle with lipsync and general performance/playback speed and skipped frames, right?
I did a small test converting 2 High definition movies into 640x368...not quite 480, but the end result was truly fab!!
It still looked high def...virtually filled the entire screen...or fills it depending what player you use...TCPMP is best or Coreplayer v1.1.1 looks a tad better, but no performance issues to complain about and absolutely minimul frames dropped.
But because I don't have the time for all that now, I simply settle for torrent downloads and play them directly via TCPMP or Coreplayer. And they look the nuts. Razor sharp.
Hope it works out for you.
P.S. The only benefit IMHO in using WMP10 and WMV (MP4-ASP) video files, is that it will be accelerated by the Imageon hardware decoder, but Coreplayer and TCPMP can use the Imageon software driver to accelerate all movie formats except WMV.
So in conclusion use WMP10 for WMV and the freeware TCPMP v0.71rc with all plug-ins available for everything else.
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you said you did two test in 640x368 what software did you use. thanks
mackaby007 said:
Hi spacecat.
They are not crap at all. As another member pointed out to you...it's all about the encoding.
DVD rips (like Axxo's torrent rips) look like HQ DVD's on my Athena, but only in a widescreen format. Meaning any bigger resolution and the Athena seems to strugle with lipsync and general performance/playback speed and skipped frames, right?
I did a small test converting 2 High definition movies into 640x368...not quite 480, but the end result was truly fab!!
It still looked high def...virtually filled the entire screen...or fills it depending what player you use...TCPMP is best or Coreplayer v1.1.1 looks a tad better, but no performance issues to complain about and absolutely minimul frames dropped.
But because I don't have the time for all that now, I simply settle for torrent downloads and play them directly via TCPMP or Coreplayer. And they look the nuts. Razor sharp.
Hope it works out for you.
P.S. The only benefit IMHO in using WMP10 and WMV (MP4-ASP) video files, is that it will be accelerated by the Imageon hardware decoder, but Coreplayer and TCPMP can use the Imageon software driver to accelerate all movie formats except WMV.
So in conclusion use WMP10 for WMV and the freeware TCPMP v0.71rc with all plug-ins available for everything else.
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im gonna look into it as im sure this can be improved but why does it struggle so much at 25 fps
on my psp i cn get 29.97 fps and razor sharp definition using AVC or PMPMOD with no dropped frames at all. Everyone i have ever shown my psp movies to are blown away by the picture quality. the Athena movies look grainy and pixellated in comparison
Im sure the Athena can do more but its a pain finding out
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im gonna look into it as im sure this can be improved but why does it struggle so much at 25 fps
on my psp i cn get 29.97 fps and razor sharp definition using AVC or PMPMOD with no dropped frames at all. Everyone i have ever shown my psp movies to are blown away by the picture quality. the Athena movies look grainy and pixellated in comparison
Im sure the Athena can do more but its a pain finding out
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The PSP was designed for multimedia exclusively. every last detail in this respect has been thought through. The Ameo serves a multitude of purposes and utilizes thirdparty software for a great deal of applications. With a few tweaks it works a treat, but its not the same thing. The PSP is an out of the box video and gaming solution and isnt really comparable. Try browsing effectively, typing a word document or sending a text or making a call on your PSP - that would impress your mates!
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The PSP was designed for multimedia exclusively. every last detail in this respect has been thought through. The Ameo serves a multitude of purposes and utilizes thirdparty software for a great deal of applications. With a few tweaks it works a treat, but its not the same thing. The PSP is an out of the box video and gaming solution and isnt really comparable. Try browsing effectively, typing a word document or sending a text or making a call on your PSP - that would impress your mates!
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I am not denying what you are saying but I would have thought that a brand new top of the range device costing 700 pounds woud be able to out perform a 2 year old device that you can now pick up for 100 pounds.
I am very happy with most aspects of my Athena its a great device for many things but for movies its quite poor.
I did a conversion in spb dvd at 640x336 as recommended but it was
still poor. The only one that has looked comparable was a 640x480
conversion at 25fps. it looked good but kept skipping frames.
also if you stopped it the player stopped working .TCPMP and CORE
if anyone has a definitive programme and settings for making near dvd quality movies without skipping I would be very interested to hear
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I am not denying what you are saying but I would have thought that a brand new top of the range device costing 700 pounds woud be able to out perform a 2 year old device that you can now pick up for 100 pounds.
I am very happy with most aspects of my Athena its a great device for many things but for movies its quite poor.
I did a conversion in spb dvd at 640x336 as recommended but it was
still poor. The only one that has looked comparable was a 640x480
conversion at 25fps. it looked good but kept skipping frames.
also if you stopped it the player stopped working .TCPMP and CORE
if anyone has a definitive programme and settings for making near dvd quality movies without skipping I would be very interested to hear
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I agree with you to a degree, although the Ameo is tied to the fact that it uses a generic OS (which automatically leaves it open to performance issue). The PSP on the other hand has an OS specifically designed for it.
I find that since i installed the HTC 001 rom i dont have any playback problems at all. I always select ATI Imageon rather than ATI imageon decoder, and also choose microdrive mode. it works for me
I just tried your settings , I was playing from the memory card
used the microdrive and the ati imageon MUCH MUCH better
no skipping . this was with a 640x336 clip .
I will see what a full 640x480 at 25fps can do tonite
cheers
here is what i use:
Player: TCPMP 0.81 with all plugins
Driver: ATi Imageon
Storage: Microdrive
Bitrate: 600kbps (benchmarked at 625, so 600 is safe )
Framerate: 25fps
Encoder: Divx 6.1
Quality: Insane
Audio: AC3, lowest bitrate etc
works a charm
Midget_1990 said:
here is what i use:
Player: TCPMP 0.81 with all plugins
Driver: ATi Imageon
Storage: Microdrive
Bitrate: 600kbps (benchmarked at 625, so 600 is safe )
Framerate: 25fps
Encoder: Divx 6.1
Quality: Insane
Audio: AC3, lowest bitrate etc
works a charm
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what prog do u use to encode the movies?
spacecat said:
what prog do u use to encode the movies?
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WinAVI, email me for a 'trial'
Hey all.
So the HTC Touch Diamond has a VGA screen. How can I get it to play VGA quality videos? or is this not possible? I would of thought it would be with its own graphics processor and decent cpu. I have tried .mp4 at 512kbits 640x480, but struggle more than 7 or 8 fps. It works good enough at half the resolution, but is still dropping some frames. Not as good at video playback as some reviews would have me believe.
I am using TCPMP , which has been modified to work with Windows Mobile 6.1
Many thanks.
Gary.
Well, I have played some movies that have higher resolution than 640x480 with -very- smooth framerates in CorePlayer (easily over 20 fps).
Specifically: HellBoy Sword of Storms, Eagle vs. Shark.
No problems at all.
HTC Touch Pro.
Yep, i have high res files playing in coreplayer as well (touch pro). coreplayer doesnt fully support diamond (or touch pro) so it can only get better in the future
Taken from Coreplayers site, this looks good:
GPU support: Intel 2700g, ->ATI Imageon<-, QTv, Marvell Monahan Processors
CPU Support: ARM9, ->ARM11<-, MIPS
Both the processor and gpu will be used really well on our diamonds/touch pros.
coreplayer works fine for me in vids much higher than the screen res, you must be doing something wrong or that "hack" to make the player work in 6.1 really isn't a good idea
Ok, thanks for all your replies. What format are you using to get decent fps with Coreplayer, and what bit rate normally?
Its a shame coreplayer do not have a trial version, so I want to be pretty certain first that it will work.
TCPMP hasnt been developed for a few years i dont think so that might also not help.
Well i splashed for Coreplayer anyway, but I still get rubbish fps
.AVI (xvid) 640x480, 24fps, 748kbits.
Am I using the wrong codec?
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Well i splashed for Coreplayer anyway, but I still get rubbish fps
.AVI (xvid) 640x480, 24fps, 748kbits.
Am I using the wrong codec?
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24fps!?
That's supposed to be quite good (100% for most movie rips).
Using Coreplayer, VGA .avi videos play very smoothly on my diamond as long as I'm not using A2DP. Once I pop on my Jabra BT8010, the high res vids start to skip a little. I hope Coreplayer fixes that up soon!
Hmmm, could one of you do a favour please?
Go to http://www.madagascarmovie.com/
Click on trailers
Download the PSP version of the trailer, and then try to play that on your HTC Touch Diamond. It won't even play that for me Then let me know if it works fine for you or not. I get alot of tearing and skipping. I have gone as low as 640x480 avi at 512kbits and its still jolting around and skipping. I have used all the different types of rendering, and currently have Coreplayer 1.25
Not the good playback I was expecting
Thanks
Gary
After some tweaking around with the bitpool and some searching, I've gotten the A2DP performance hit down to a minimum.
Bitpool: 58
Maximum Bitpool: 80
That seems to reduce the stuttering when playing VGA vids using coreplayer. They still stutter a little during some demanding action scenes when using A2DP, but the stutter is much better and the audio and video are in sync.
Once Coreplayer is optimized for the Diamond, this thing is going to scream!
Overall, I'm pretty impressed with this little phone.
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Taken from Coreplayers site, this looks good:
GPU support: Intel 2700g, ->ATI Imageon<-, QTv, Marvell Monahan Processors
CPU Support: ARM9, ->ARM11<-, MIPS
Both the processor and gpu will be used really well on our diamonds/touch pros.
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What version include this ?? or is just for a future version ??
And what is the GPU that comes with diamond ?? that "ati Imageon" ??
TY
So there are no video apps that are currently programmed to use HTC Touch Diamonds fancy bits? like the graphics processor etc?
use the divx labs divx player!!! lol
captanbirdseye said:
Hmmm, could one of you do a favour please?
Go to http://www.madagascarmovie.com/
Click on trailers
Download the PSP version of the trailer, and then try to play that on your HTC Touch Diamond. It won't even play that for me Then let me know if it works fine for you or not. I get alot of tearing and skipping. I have gone as low as 640x480 avi at 512kbits and its still jolting around and skipping. I have used all the different types of rendering, and currently have Coreplayer 1.25
Not the good playback I was expecting
Thanks
Gary
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OK, I did what you said and I ran the video in Coreplayer benchmark mode. The best I could get was 70%. Perhaps it's the h264 format that is so demanding?
The more I use the Diamond the more I get dissapointed.
Hi, I'm having the same problem on my Touch Pro (i'd post in the TP forums, but no app/software category there), however I don't have Core Player because I won't pay for something if I can't see if it works first.
My question though is: Are there any similar movie file players like Core Player that are free?
(sorry if this was a bit off-topic, and I've tried searching but did not find anything useful)
If I see correct, madagascar is h.264 coded. It's a codec that is used to prepare hd video(b-r,hd-dvd etc.). It needs a powerfull processor or a hardware acceleration from graphic card. Some of new computers have problem with decoding it (i.e. with embaded video chip) and you're trying to play it on diamond. The 70% you're getting is a great score.
I have Coreplayer v 1.1.0 Build 1408
I get some lag for my music videos I have on my phone.
File Size: 78,924KB
Video Size: 640 * 480
Frame Rate: 29.970
is there a reason why it's laggy?
Why don't you try the latest build which is v1.2.5 I believe.
daveloft said:
Why don't you try the latest build which is v1.2.5 I believe.
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Just updated and still has the same problem, maybe it's the file that is the issue.
So here's my story:
I recently bought Samsung Omnia on which I did extensive tests on video playback
with CorePlayer 1.2.5 and TCPMP and with various video formats such as:
H264 Baseline 3 480x272 (originally encoded for playback in iPod Touch)
Various XviD encoded videos with resolutions varying from 640x360 to 720x400
Using DirectDraw as video output in both CorePlayer and TCPMP
the result was awful, dropped frames, awful motion and distorted colors.
However since the Omnia has the fastest CPU I know in WM Device so far,
the Marvell PXA312, 624MHz with IntelXScale acceleration,
the CorePlayer and TCPMP gives this as an option for video output the IntelXScale acceleration.
So when using this setting the video playback of any type of encoding was absolutely beautiful.
Colors were correct, performance was amazing (even in double playback speed) it was in general as smooth as it gets.
For a powerfull (hardware-wise) device such as omnia, I was very disappointed
in the resolution of the screen (240x400 - wqvga) and its size 2.8".
For this kind of device which has literally everything one would expect it
to have same screen size and resolution as the touch hd.
I rushed to buy this device I must admit and so I sold it to a friend after experimenting with it for one week.
The reason that I gave away so fast the Omnia was simply the Blackstone.
Since I am kind of perfectionist as far as it concerns screen resolutions, the touch hd is no match with any other phone/ppc device out there.
So here comes the real concern, how is the performance on video playback on the blackstone?
For a multimedia device like this one would expect that the performance
would be excellent (much like the omnia or even better if it can).
But what concerns me is the Qualcomm cpu at 528Mhz which as far as I can tell
doesn't have IntelXScale acceleration (plz correct me if i'm wrong on this)
So if it uses only DirectDraw and the results are crappy, then this would be such a turn off.
Can this CPU give a smooth video playback performance on a 640x360 XviD avi video
with "Smooth zoom: ON" and "Zoom: Fill Screen" settings on either CorePlayer or TCPMP?
And keep in mind that we are talking about realtime upsizing of the video to 800x480
which IMHO requires quite a lot of cpu power for such device.
Because really I am not willing to spend 700 euro on a multimedia phone
that can't actually perform well on multimedia.
I'd love to hear someone that has it and tested it on that matter.
Thanks for reading!
We really want to know the answer for your question, And I think that we have to wait until we see the phone on the market and get some benchmarks.
Also I think that SE in their xperia phone did what you are asking for ..! In the same beautiful screen resolution 800x480
Thank you,
Mohammed
mohdtmn said:
We really want to know the answer for your question, And I think that we have to wait until we see the phone on the market and get some benchmarks.
Also I think that SE in their xperia phone did what you are asking for ..! In the same beautiful screen resolution 800x480
Thank you,
Mohammed
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More like SE said to HTC "We want an awesome phone, but we don't want you to tell us what's in it, and we'll just make Magnus make up stuff as we go, also we suck at marketing."
touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
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touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
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I sure hope so, because I would say I'm not so satisfied with the Touch Diamond performance. Let me explain:
Since this matter is really killing me, I need to be sure it can perform well on video (not extreme stuff, the standard-like video formats we all use).
So I decided to make a test, since i don't own a Touch Diamond (which has the same hardware), I went to a local retail store that had the device on display for ppl to see and experiment with, I installed coreplayer and sent a 40" 608x400 xvid video with ~900kbps bitrate to test it.
CorePlayer was set automatically with video mode QTv and with TytnII Driver mode enabled (which i suppose is the accelerator driver)
I made sure nothing else was running in the background and the results was not so ok. I was playing just ok, I noticed some frame skips and some "lag" in fast motion.
I just hope the Touch HD has revised hardware (if that's possible) and better drivers maybe?
I really would like to hear an answer from someone that has already his hands on the touch hd
buggybug0 said:
touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
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but htc is also notorious for not not allowing 3rd party software to use the graphic chip, that is when they do provide drivers for the chip
fallenczar said:
but htc is also notorious for not not allowing 3rd party software to use the graphic chip, that is when they do provide drivers for the chip
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so are you saying if i were to install a 3rd party video player, when i try to play video, i will see a blank screen? because this player is 3rd party and can't access the graphic chip?? :S
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so are you saying if i were to install a 3rd party video player, when i try to play video, i will see a blank screen? because this player is 3rd party and can't access the graphic chip?? :S
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No, i'm saying that coreplayer/TCPMP will only be able to use the default qualcomm chip, its exactly like having a graphic card in your pc with no drivers and no in built support
Thats sux
I hope Touch HD has better driver ... because the hardware is the same.
Quite a downer ...
mkMoSs said:
I sure hope so, because I would say I'm not so satisfied with the Touch Diamond performance. Let me explain:
Since this matter is really killing me, I need to be sure it can perform well on video (not extreme stuff, the standard-like video formats we all use).
So I decided to make a test, since i don't own a Touch Diamond (which has the same hardware), I went to a local retail store that had the device on display for ppl to see and experiment with, I installed coreplayer and sent a 40" 608x400 xvid video with ~900kbps bitrate to test it.
CorePlayer was set automatically with video mode QTv and with TytnII Driver mode enabled (which i suppose is the accelerator driver)
I made sure nothing else was running in the background and the results was not so ok. I was playing just ok, I noticed some frame skips and some "lag" in fast motion.
I just hope the Touch HD has revised hardware (if that's possible) and better drivers maybe?
I really would like to hear an answer from someone that has already his hands on the touch hd
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No, i'm saying that coreplayer/TCPMP will only be able to use the default qualcomm chip, its exactly like having a graphic card in your pc with no drivers and no in built support
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If that is the case, then I dont understand it. I mean why HTC would go through all this trouble to have an extra graphics chip in their devices when no other than their own app could ever use? So they put a graphic chip with 3d capabilities and video acceleration for just their own apps like touchflo 3d ?
Isn't it just stupid?
Yes, that would be stupid. Fortunately though, there is quite some talk about the HD having an optimized chipset compared to the Diamond, even though this does not include the processor. It is already evident by the many movies that the device performs faster than the diamond even with the same processor, so I doubt you'd have exactly the same performance issues as with the diamond. Though there is only one way to be sure: wait 2 more weeks and everybody will own one.
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.......... wait 2 more weeks and everybody will own one.
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Hell...i cant agree with you more..almost everyone i know is either 'buying one' or 'Wants to buy one'....whatever happened to the times when there were a few geeks like me who went out and bought a winmo phone....whatever happened to the iphone??...lol
gauravdc said:
Hell...i cant agree with you more..almost everyone i know is either 'buying one' or 'Wants to buy one'....whatever happened to the times when there were a few geeks like me who went out and bought a winmo phone....whatever happened to the iphone??...lol
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iPhone died, blackstone killed it
Blackstone is a killer... Woohoo.. We have to send it to prison!!.. I think I might have a good prison here at my home so my blackstone, come for punishment *roarr* lol
Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
wuzy said:
Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
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Hi, if I buy the current coreplayer-version from them, do I get a free update when the 1.3.0 will arrive? Or should I wait until it comes out? This would be the most important application for me on the Touch HD.. Greez, cad^^
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Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
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Fingers crossed!
They should just forget the iPhone, ppl will be finding out about blackstone and they will be throwing their iPhone from the window xD
I guess no problem with playing video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9lLAVidgA&fmt=18
Thanks to johnkorver who own the device, create the video review, and upload it to youtube.
looks promising even though we don't have any other info on the video file except the codec used (xvid).. anyway upscaling works nice and that says much..
one more video playback demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7I6K8U7L4
Are most current DivX formats playable with the HTC album (i.e. with hardware acceleration) ?
Or is the codec library as poor as for the HD on the HTC album??
(And don't tell, me "Use Coreplayer", I know CP's benches are ok on the HD2, but it's still software rendering, which means always some lags on good DivX, and no 720p, etc...)
There is no support for DivX or Xvid in HTC album.
The only way to play those formats is to use a third party application (e.g.: Core player or TCPMP).
Use coreplayer . No seriously, altough coreplayer is software rendering, with snapdragon, you won't notice. I have an HD2 and i can play a divx very smoothly. Better then on all other htc devices I had, but that was obviously.
Roupette said:
(And don't tell, me "Use Coreplayer", I know CP's benches are ok on the HD2, but it's still software rendering, which means always some lags on good DivX, and no 720p, etc...)
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You can forget about 720p playback on the HD2 even with hardware acceleration. One or two reviewers have tried it, but got frame-rates of 15fps or less. So, 720p material will need to be transcoded anyway, and you may as well transcode it as .mp4 and play it back in HTCAlbum.
Coreplayer will likely play anything up to the resolution of the screen lag-free, unless the bit-rate is truly outrageous. The Snapdragon CPU on the HD2 is something like three times as powerful as the one on the Touch HD; software playback really isn't that much of an issue any more.
That's a good news, thak you all for your answers!
I found that quite a number of people online were critical about Xperia PLAY, so I decided to write this to drive away the misconceptions!
There are several reasons why Xperia PLAY is the perfect gaming and multimedia smartphone, as given below:
1. Advantages of Snapdragon SoC (Scorpion Processor and Adreno GPU):
Xperia Play has a single-core 1GHz Snapdragon processor and an Adreno 205 GPU, however this doesn't put it behind the other SoC's out there (explained below)
Many people believe Adreno to be weaker than NVIDIA Tegra2 or PowerVR, but that isn't the case!
The truth is that the latter two seem good on paper and benchmarks, but their practical performance isn't up to the mark.
i. Adreno GPU is efficient and powerful:
Game developers find Adreno a better GPU when it comes to complex game effects. It handles them in a faster, better and power efficient way.
ii. Adreno is friendly to the battery:
Consider NVIDIA's Tegra2 GPU, which requires a heavy dependance on the CPU for it's optimal performance, and that reduces it's battery efficiency.
Follow the link in Techdread's thread to find a thorough comparison from Game developers' point of view.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1243036
iii. Snapdragon SoC has hidden tricks up it's sleeve
Adreno GPU and Scorpion CPU has some really cool optimizations up it's sleeve, which makes it better in most tasks than the other options.
e.g. Adreno has support for Hardware acceleration in Flash content. In a video test result, Snapdragon on Xperia Arc played a 720p Youtube video perfectly, whereas other major dual-core devices lagged!
See video below:
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/15/qua...re-tegra-2-for-flash-content-supremecy-video/
Paul Jacobs, Qualcomm's boss says that Single core snapdragon with latest drivers outperform the current dual core processors.
"Looking at benchmarking tests for our single core product, it outperforms against dual core products from our competitors,’ said Jacbos.
He added: ‘The performance that you can get is literally much more than just counting the number of cores on a chip - it about how these cores work together seamlessly and efficiently. Compared to our competitors' [dual-core chips] they use 50 to 75 per cent more power to deliver the same perfomace compared to our single-core CPUs.’
iv. Snapdragon has DEVELOPER SUPPORT
Snapdragon is widely being supported by developers and alot of games for it are being made.
What hardware advantage does any SoC give the device if it has little developer support??
How many times have you seen these words on game threads: Make this for SGS2 please!!
v. Xperia series has the latest drivers for Snapdragon and Adreno, getting the most out of them.
(vi. BONUS : Custom kernel from DoomLord can boost the already-so-efficient CPU to 1.9 GHz B-) )
2. Dual-Channel RAM:
Xperia Play is the currently the only device that possesses a dual channel DDR2 memory working at 300 Hertz. This increases the performance as data can be passed much faster between components such as the CPU and the GPU, and enables it to perform heavy duty tasks optimally, and to keep a constant 60fps refresh rate in games.
3. PlayStation Controls:
Of course everyone knows what this is about
The physical controls are of great advantage in gaming for obvious reasons.
The virtual analog controls got mixed reviews, however they are awesome in my opinion. I always find myself using them rather than the buttons.
Moreover, they can also be used for key mapping in emulators, giving a great plus value!
4. Havok Game Engine:
Don't miss out this beast!
Havok game engine has debuted on Android via Xperia Play. This helps developers make great games with accurate physics and realism!
About Havok:
Havok™, an Intel® company , was founded in Dublin, Ireland in 1998, and is the premier provider of interactive software and services for digital media creators in the games and movie industries. Havok works in partnership with the world ’s best
known game developers, including Microsoft®, Nintendo®, and Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. Havok’ s cross- platform, professionally supported technology is available for the Xbox 360™ video game and entertainment system, PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system, PSP® (PlayStation ®Portable), Xperia™ PLAY, Wii™, PC Games for Windows.
Havok’s combination of superior technology and dedication to delivering for its customers has led to the company’ s technologies being used in over 300 of the world’ s best known game titles, including Halo Reach, Assassin’ s Creed Brotherhood, Epic Mickey, Fallout New Vegas, Uncharted 2 , Demon’s Soul and Bioshock 2 . A further 130 games are in development. Havok products have also been used to drive special effects in movies such as Clash of the Titans, Watchmen, Quantum of Solace, Harry Potter and The Order of The Phoenix, and The Matrix. Havok has offices in Dublin, San Francisco , Copenhagen, Calcutta, Munich, and Tokyo.
5. 3d Stereo speakers with xLoud
Gaming isn't fun without good sound effects. Many people entirely depend on their headsets for gaming and multimedia, due to the lack of good speakers in the phone.
Xperia Play's speakers, especially after the xLoud update, are AWESOME. You wouldn't need to depend on your headsets for gaming anymore, the speakers really take care of all!
They are also perfect for watching movies or listening to songs.
6. Xperia PLAY exclusives and game library
Sony Ericsson has made deals with a great number of game companies, including Gameloft, EA, Glu and Polarbit. A great number of games are out in no time at all, and more are on their way.
Often, Xperia Play gets the game a month or two earlier than the other Android models.
Xperia Play also has PlayStation titles coming to it, and Sony Ericsson recently announced more AAA titles to be on their way.
Xperia Play's massive game library is much larger than Tegra's.
7. Sony Ericsson's multimedia and entertainment experience:
Sony Ericsson provides a unique, unparalleled experience in multimedia and entertainment fields. It has got a great deal of experience from Cybershot and Walkman products, and has always been ahead of the other brands in these categories.
Xperia PLAY, with it's awesome sound quality and a decent camera reflects these results. The camera, though not SE's best, is still decent overall and faster than the other Android models.
I have the experience of developing top camdrivers for SE's cybershot series, and find that Xperia Play's camera is pretty decent.
Other SE goodies like TimeScape, Facebook inside Xperia etc. are also great if you use them.
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This is enough to prove that Xperia PLAY really is what it's supposed to be - the perfect gaming and multimedia smartphone!
Imo people were disappointed because in the initial release it was laggy and it took alot of time to boot. And alot of features missing like 5MP HD or no zoom.
Hackers fixed that of course.
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If I was on any other phone I would only be playing angry birds because I hate touch screen controllers that take up precious screen realestate..
Xperia Play <3
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Cat_On_Droid said:
Imo people were disappointed because in the initial release it was laggy and it took alot of time to boot. And alot of features missing like 5MP HD or no zoom.
Hackers fixed that of course.
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Well it wasn't laggy and didn't boot up slower than Galaxy and other models out there.
People were mostly annoyed with the lack of a dual core chipset, claiming that better ones were out there. That's what most reviewers said. But in reality, there is much more to the Xperia than meets the eye
subcu1ture said:
If I was on any other phone I would only be playing angry birds because I hate touch screen controllers that take up precious screen realestate..
Xperia Play <3
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Agreed!
One inch or more of the screen is accounted for when using touchscreen controls.
Xperia Play's controls give a big-screen experience!
hasaan6545 said:
Well it wasn't laggy and didn't boot up slower than Galaxy and other models out there.
People were mostly annoyed with the lack of a dual core chipset, claiming that better ones were out there. That's what most reviewers said. But in reality, there is much more to the Xperia than meets the eye
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No not at all. Like cat said, when the play was first released. Alot of the disapointment came from bad firmware and a lack of support from sony game wise. I don't know any1 that was disapointed in the H/W. We all knew that the scorpion chipset and adreno 205 was a good match for any mobile CPU/GPU combo on the market ATM!
hasaan6545 said:
e.g. Adreno has support for Hardware acceleration in Flash content. In a video test result, Snapdragon on Xperia Arc played a 720p Youtube video perfectly, whereas other major dual-core devices lagged!
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Er... from the video i dont see how the xperia arc was playing 720p video smoothly? If anything it was choppy as hell. It was the HTC incredible that pulled off a smooth run. Do explain.
2ndly can the xperia play play a 720p video smoothly? If yes which format? mkv? avi ? mp4?
- Best gaming device.
Yes. The controls make the difference.
- Best ultimedia device.
Lol no. Where's the video output (remember that near ALL Xperias have HDMI output)? Where's the HD video recording? Where's the native support for more advanced video formats like MKV? Etc.
lcw1980 said:
Er... from the video i dont see how the xperia arc was playing 720p video smoothly? If anything it was choppy as hell. It was the HTC incredible that pulled off a smooth run. Do explain.
2ndly can the xperia play play a 720p video smoothly? If yes which format? mkv? avi ? mp4?
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play can play 720p in any format easly .....
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- Best gaming device.
Yes. The controls make the difference.
- Best ultimedia device.
Lol no. Where's the video output (remember that near ALL Xperias have HDMI output)? Where's the HD video recording? Where's the native support for more advanced video formats like MKV? Etc.
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The play has native support for quicktime formats....
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3775
AndroHero said:
No not at all. Like cat said, when the play was first released. Alot of the disapointment came from bad firmware and a lack of support from sony game wise. I don't know any1 that was disapointed in the H/W. We all knew that the scorpion chipset and adreno 205 was a good match for any mobile CPU/GPU combo on the market ATM!
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Well i was talking about most reviewers like CNET etc, they had a go at the processor and GPU.
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Er... from the video i dont see how the xperia arc was playing 720p video smoothly? If anything it was choppy as hell. It was the HTC incredible that pulled off a smooth run. Do explain.
2ndly can the xperia play play a 720p video smoothly? If yes which format? mkv? avi ? mp4?
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Take a look at the blogpost and the video again and you'll get the point.
The video whose link i posted does not have Xperia Arc, it has HTC Incredible which has the same chipset as the Arc, and it performed better than the other dual core ones.
The video Qualcomm posted at their official site had Xperia Arc, and there they claimed the same thing.
Anyway, Xperia Play can play 720p perfectly for almost all formats, best being mp4, mov etc. Others can also be played well if you've a decent video player. MX Video Player (optimized for ARM Neon processors) and Vital Player work best. Try them, you'll like it
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- Best gaming device.
Yes. The controls make the difference.
- Best ultimedia device.
Lol no. Where's the video output (remember that near ALL Xperias have HDMI output)? Where's the HD video recording? Where's the native support for more advanced video formats like MKV? Etc.
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I agree on the TV out stuff, but apart from that, Xperia Play is great. Mkv native support isn't much needed, it works perfect with fast Software Codec. Try MX Video player.
Besides, Xperia has great display and stereo sound quality which most others lack. and you can still view your media files on Bravia TV via Wifi.
With a bunch of plus points, it does make up for the few limitations that it has, and it's a great multimedia package overall!
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play can play 720p in any format easly .....
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Really? I own one and cant get it to play 720p video files smoothly. Esp mkv formats.
Pray tell me which player you use?
I see no connection with xperia play in the apple website you posted?
lcw1980 said:
Really? I own one and cant get it to play 720p video files smoothly. Esp mkv formats.
Pray tell me which player you use?
I see no connection with xperia play in the apple website you posted?
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i use mobo player is awesome Look on the back of the box, it says it a quickime cerified device. That website just shows quicktime compatable formats
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i use mobo player is awesome Look on the back of the box, it says it a quickime cerified device. That website just shows quicktime compatable formats
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i use moboplayer too but even 720p mkv anime playback is laggy. I even downloaded the arm7 codec already. any tips?
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i use moboplayer too but even 720p mkv anime playback is laggy. I even downloaded the arm7 codec already. any tips?
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when your on the main screen, go into setting and set it to software render mode
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when your on the main screen, go into setting and set it to software render mode
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hmm still have audio sync issues.
Strange, I watch at least 1 720p file a week. Never had a problem with Mobo. I haven't download any extra add ons just the main app. What file types are you using?
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Blue ray quality rmvb format lags for me but it plays other HD files fine
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kupo5131 said:
Strange, I watch at least 1 720p file a week. Never had a problem with Mobo. I haven't download any extra add ons just the main app. What file types are you using?
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mkv file h264 encoded.
Miles Wolf said:
- Best ultimedia device.
Lol no. Where's the video output (remember that near ALL Xperias have HDMI output)? Where's the HD video recording? Where's the native support for more advanced video formats like MKV? Etc.
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Those are pretty lame points. I would have gone with SAMOLED Screen, but meh.
How often really, have you or would you plug in your phone to your tv? I have a freakin computer, ps3, wii, and digital cable connected already, why on earth would I need my phone on there as well?
HD recording would be nice, but it's nothing tragic. And it's not like it's technically impossible.
Otherwise, I agree with the OP. The screen while not the very best out there, it's still pretty damn nice. The speakers is what really makes it, I can't think of a single phone out there that even steps close to the Play in this respect. I never wear headphones with this thing, because it sounds great! Be it NES, PSX, Music, Videos, anything, it has high frequency response which means full sound, plenty of amplification, very little distortion at high volumes, and because there's two of them, you get stereo sound.
When I hear multimedia, I think picture and sound. Even though the screen isn't the best it makes up for that in the audio department. It's definitely up there in the multimedia department.
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Besides, Xperia has great display
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Meh, no. It has a lot of ghosting.
The Xplay is a good device, but please, don't say it's the best Multimedia device.