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I remember hearing that the video camera on the Universal might not be useable for Internet conferencing. Does anyone know if this is correct? Sorry if this is a silly question, but what exactly CAN it be used for?
the whole bell and whistles of 3G or UTMS if you want
was that you could do video phoning
so that would be the purpos of the cam i guess
it's also mentioned in the o2 sales pdf which i thing
was removed because o2 (or was it tmobile) got upset
because their internal doc's ended up here
er.. Universal does NOT have 3G. sorry.
macsoft said:
er.. Universal does NOT have 3G. sorry.
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ohhh yes, it got 3G (UMTS)
It's the first PPC announced with 3G ever :wink:
thats what makes it tasty
no more SLOOOOOOOOW gprs
data speeds
So what about internet conferencing? Will that be possible? I assume that would require some MSN-like software, or would there be a way to send video via the internet?
if the applications were made and the camera supported it's really very early to say anything for surden
all we have right now is
you hearing that it will not work
try asking you where you heard it
no no no
it will be like this
you sit on yer chair with wifi on
and you voice and video chat through msn messenger on yer xda 4
huh?
and why would it be over wifi and not utms ?
i mean apart from the fact that wifi would be cheaper
but not as available as utms
Rudegar said:
if the applications were made and the camera supported it's really very early to say anything for surden
all we have right now is
you hearing that it will not work
try asking you where you heard it
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I hope no one asks me where I heard it... too much information, brain too small :shock:
Dale Coffing says some things about the video conferencing at http://dalecoffing.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/06/first_impressio.html
Why does he say that he needed a SIM card to check the video conferencing?
If it can't do both it's kind of like saying that you can only store images on device, not on SD.
I could never in my wildest dreams belive that they would implement this and then not make it avalible for the Wifi connection, or any current connection at all other than 3G.
Yes it is 3G, and yes it supports video calls.
Waiting on my 3G SIM card at the moment to test......
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Waiting on my 3G SIM card at the moment to test......
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So you have one there right now?
Whats the FCC ID printed on the label of your device??
I guess what I am trying to ask is whether I can use the Universal to send video via the Internet to a computer using a program like MSN Messenger or Netmeeting? Is there software included that does this, or is it just a matter of waiting and hoping that someone will make a program that does it?
Alternatively, would it be possible to post the video to a website?
I understand that it may be too early to tell, maybe TechGuru can let us know?
Thanks.
May I ask why you want the FCC ID?
I can't really say more than I have already guys, under very tight NDA with O2.
Just keep your eyes peeled on Tekguru!
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May I ask why you want the FCC ID?
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To check the FCC website for any info.
Can't find anything there on the Universal, so either it's more confidential than other HTC devices,
It's under a different FCC granteecode which could be that HTC is spreading risk/sales into different sub companies or they have used a sub contracter to build the Universal,
The data wont be avaliable before launch date (which it is for other devices??)
Video Conferencign
It wont have video conferencing. It will be able to do Video Messaging. There is a big difference. Video messageing you record a 10-15sec clip and send it. The person recieves this video clip, downloads it, and then plays it. Its not actually LIVE streaming though.
thats mms
the other 3g utms phones i've seen offer video phoning
not that good quality and the sound is not 100% synced but
they do offer it
dont see why the universal should not also offer this
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Tekguru said:
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To check the FCC website for any info.
Can't find anything there on the Universal, so either it's more confidential than other HTC devices,
It's under a different FCC granteecode which could be that HTC is spreading risk/sales into different sub companies or they have used a sub contracter to build the Universal,
The data wont be avaliable before launch date (which it is for other devices??)
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The Universal is not on the FCC site under HTC or any other company. Easy to do as the FCC now allows companies to delay publishing of *any* details provided the device is not on sale before the info appears.
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It wont have video conferencing. It will be able to do Video Messaging. There is a big difference. Video messageing you record a 10-15sec clip and send it. The person recieves this video clip, downloads it, and then plays it. Its not actually LIVE streaming though.
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It will do video calls though.
While I don't believe the next gen Mobile Messenger will support video conferencing directly, you can use Microsoft Portrait - http://research.microsoft.com/~jiangli/portrait/ - which does work with Messenger (and the buddy lists). It's also free.
It strikes me that a WiFi equiped Windows Mobile phone (particularly 3G) has all the hardware and processing power needed to act as a WiFi access point or even a full router. This would be a lot easier method of getting cellular internet access for a laptop than the traditional modem emulator approach, and would also be a lot more versitile, for example allowing simultaneous access to several PC's.
Is there any software or projects in hand to do this? Would be complicated of course, but I guess a lot of the necessary components are available for other platforms as open-source which could be ported.
This is something I asked for in german forums long time ago.
Why it isn't possible to select Wifi for Internet Sharing. This would make it easy to connect many PCs and XBoxes and Playstations with Internet easily.
Any MCP of other Windows Mobile specialist out there?
Will this be available in the near future? Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) with the build in WiFi feature?
I use the HTC Tytn and have some equipment only with WiFi support. Nintendo DS Lite (Maybe the latency will kill me in games ) and a Archos 604 WiFi player.
Best Regards Tom
Any news with this? It would be really cool to share GPRS/UMTS over wifi... using my DS in a cab would be great!
I am really interested in this also.
Would be pretty amazin.
Would be awesome!!!
Yes, can somebody create a cab like Internet Connection Sharing but with WiFi to select. The Hardware should be able to do this.
It's really bad now to have Internet over GPRS/HSDPA but not be able to share on many PC or Playstations/XBox360s!
Wow, this thread died a couple years ago... has anything aside from walkinghotspot or winmo wifirouter come along that can do this task without costing money or burning the cell phone into oblivion after 30 seconds of use!?!? Thanks
Reading could be sometimes really hard, aren't it?
HTC CM WiFi Internet Sharing
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animelover said:
Reading could be sometimes really hard, aren't it?
HTC CM WiFi Internet Sharing
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Yeah I know about that app, saw it last week... still can't get it to work like a lot of people. I would surmise that's why wifi router is $29, and this is free.
Also, your grammar above was deplorable, what gives?
HTC Touch-Pro said:
Yeah I know about that app, saw it last week... still can't get it to work like a lot of people. I would surmise that's why wifi router is $29, and this is free.
Also, your grammar above was deplorable, what gives?
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I'm guessing his grammar is not top notch because he is german... I bet his English grammar is 100 times better than your German grammar. Just remember you are in an INTERNATIONAL forum and not everyone speaks proper English.
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I'm guessing his grammar is not top notch because he is german... I bet his English grammar is 100 times better than your German grammar. Just remember you are in an INTERNATIONAL forum and not everyone speaks proper English.
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ouch!!!!!!
I gotcha... just seemed like he was being sarcastic.
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I would surmise that's why wifi router is $29, and this is free.
Also, your grammar above was deplorable, what gives?
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that is just the dumbest thing to say. there are many many free softwares available in this forum for free, and they are way better than any commercial offering. most of the applications here aren't even available if you were to have money to spend for it.
by the way, the htc wifi router software isnt free. if you buy an htc phone, chances are you have paid for it. if you dont own an htc device, i dont think htc would be happy about you using their software for free.
also, please have an open minded. with any internet forum, anyone in the world can participate and become a member. there are people all over the world that english isnt their first language. i hope you know this, so please excuse their english grammatical errors.
There is a utility in Windows XP called "Dialer". You can configure it to use the modem connected to the computer to make voice calls. It is located in the folder Program Files\Windows NT:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...ddocs/en-us/dialer_whatis_intro.mspx?mfr=true
In the past, I have used dedicated modems over land-lines to place voice calls using Dialer. In theory, wouldn't it be possible to configure this same utility to place a voice call with the wireless modem built-in to the Shift?
Does Vista include this utility? If not, couldn't it be easily copied from an XP machine to the Shift?
Why
the shift will inclue voice dialling out of the box so not much point to your suggestion but thanks all the same
according to some reviews there are NO Voice capabilities in Shift!!!
Some news reports are wrong.. and no one has seen a production device yet Htc only just got the FCC approval for voice on a device that is the exact same form factor of the shift and the people that are making the device have leaked out to people on these forums (a few weeks ago) that it does deffinatly have voice and gps which has now being confimed (the gps was confirmed about two days ago by a MS worker)
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Some news reports are wrong.. and no one has seen a production device yet Htc only just got the FCC approval for voice on a device that is the exact same form factor of the shift and the people that are making the device have leaked out to people on these forums (a few weeks ago) that it does deffinatly have voice and gps which has now being confimed (the gps was confirmed about two days ago by a MS worker)
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thank you. yes voice and gps.
Hmmm. So when the official European HTC website, Shift section lists both the full Users Guide and Quick Start Guide && When neither mention the GPS or voice capabilitiels.
WELL
If they are included then HTC should re-write it's manuals.
i agree
and im sure they will update it now they have the full licence from the FCC to distribute the dev ice with voice capability
A little review to look at!
http://www.doctorsgadgets.com/htc-shift-review.html
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http://www.doctorsgadgets.com/htc-shift-review.html
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Ha. Doesn't he say "No voice, get it out of your head!" ?
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Ha. Doesn't he say "No voice, get it out of your head!" ?
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Oh yes he does but... look at the date the video review was done its about six months old it almost predates mmobile fones (lol) and the review is based on a very very early rom since this time gps has being confirmed which is not mentioned as it wasnt known back then and ohhh look htc have put the release dte back to january so who knows what there gunna change??????
yes it has gps 100%,but under vista with what software?
there is not clear until now.
for now use tomtom google maps or whtever in WM6 and once decent gps software is avaiable for vista get that instead!!
FCC approval is only for US market.
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Some news reports are wrong.. and no one has seen a production device yet Htc only just got the FCC approval for voice on a device that is the exact same form factor of the shift and the people that are making the device have leaked out to people on these forums (a few weeks ago) that it does deffinatly have voice and gps which has now being confimed (the gps was confirmed about two days ago by a MS worker)
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Yes but if ur going too release something this good to the world is it not better to have approval in what will be one of the biggest buyers for the product.. it makes sense to me and 100% of computer devices i have have the fcc approval but i live in uk.
The user manual is available to download from HTC now and there's NO mention of voice capabilities whatsoever!
Sucks ass big time - this was my only hope of having a decent PC and phone - looks like the flybook is a better (but much more expensive) option as the new ones have faster HSDPA and voice!
If you read on Mobileplanet, they spec gps for the US Version but not for the european version. Is this true there fore we should wait for the US one?
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The user manual is available to download from HTC now and there's NO mention of voice capabilities whatsoever!
Sucks ass big time - this was my only hope of having a decent PC and phone - looks like the flybook is a better (but much more expensive) option as the new ones have faster HSDPA and voice!
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would u idiots for lack of a more meaningful word stop looking at the user manuals and what is online and look at a better source who says the shift has phone capabilities. i replicated snapvue on my athena. one of the options when u go to settings is phone where u choose ur profile, ring type, bands, etc.. like in settings/phone of say the athena. IT HAS A PHONE IN IT!! bangelboy even showed the dialer on his.
He's right, check out this video.
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He's right, check out this video.
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i know im right. i said this from the beginning before bangelboy showed this. my sources are good!
Maybe
Pawel062 said:
i know im right. i said this from the beginning before bangelboy showed this. my sources are good!
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Even bangelboy, if you check his website, was not sure that cell phone services would be part of the final production model, although he was hopeful that it would be. Yet, all HTC indications in all their documentation is that cell phone services are not included.
Yes, the hardware is there, but there are some problems, perhaps legal patent rights, that are stalling what we want the HTC Shift to perform. It might still be a case for XDA developers to work out.
I would be happy to have the assurance of your sources, as the evidence at this point seems not to be favorable. It is good for you that you have faith in your sources, but without ascertaining their veracity, out of the box, it is hard to believe the Shift is configured for cell phone service. Would you care to share your sources with us?
TEAM,
I have been looking for answering machine for my HTC, Imate unfortunately I never come across this. I any one in the forum or developer of software for mobile can develop this or is it not possible. We have many software in market and many developer but I don't see why is not been develop.
Looking forward your comments and wishing every one in this forum
Happy New Year and All The best
It's called voice mail and it comes with pretty much every phone plan on earth. That's why there's no development for such a product - there is no need for it.
Lidberg said:
It's called voice mail and it comes with pretty much every phone plan on earth. That's why there's no development for such a product - there is no need for it.
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answering machine isnt like voicemail, with answering machine you could listen to the caller leaving a message, just as you would on a home answering machine, then pick up if you wanted, I had that option in my old sprint flip phone sanyo 4500.
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It's called voice mail and it comes with pretty much every phone plan on earth. That's why there's no development for such a product - there is no need for it.
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Yeah and with every phone plan on earth, it is very restricted unless you are willing to pay a fortune to the provider.
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Yeah and with every phone plan on earth, it is very restricted unless you are willing to pay a fortune to the provider.
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Restricted how? I have AT&T and VM is included for free. I can check it from anywhere very easily. It does exactly what I want it to do.
with htc there seem to be a pretty steap deviding between pda and phone when it comes to speakers
do a search for requests for recording conversations
do a search for answering machine
do a search for getting the "phone" speaker to work with skype and other VOIP
it seem to be a hardware design issue
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Restricted how? I have AT&T and VM is included for free. I can check it from anywhere very easily. It does exactly what I want it to do.
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Canada for instance, don't know about other countries, you either pay $7-10 for three VMs or pay 15 or more for a few more, so no it is not always included in the plan.
here voice mail is included in all subscriptions i believe
never heard of anybody having to pay extre for it
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here voice mail is included in all subscriptions i believe
never heard of anybody having to pay extre for it
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Unlike other countries where little competion exists but carriers are intent on providing the maximum services, Canadian providers are exceptionally greedy. They've got the cash cow all to themselves and milking every last drop out of it. Hopefully this will change soon...
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here voice mail is included in all subscriptions i believe
never heard of anybody having to pay extre for it
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Unfortunately not all countries are built the same (mind you prices have gone down - but still not included), all providers in Canada are about the same, see below:
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3 (UK) have just announced they are to start selling the HTC Hero, which will be bundled with 2 free years of Spotify premium.
More info here: http://www.three.co.uk/Internet_Services/Spotify
This is good news for me as I'm a 3 customer on an unlocked Hero. Hopefully we'll get the 3 skype application on android too!
Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere or is old news :S
Yeah I was about to post this too! Hopefully we should get the Skype app for our Heros as well! But let's hope 3 does allow us to use Skype as they would on their own Hero handset. You never know.
@cambria83 and @ alphabanker
Just in case if you are not aware, I and possibly some more users are already using Skype on 3 network as we would on 3's "skype compatible" phones.
There is a thread within Dream Application or search for iskoot for skype
Post your Qs if you need help.
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@cambria83 and @ alphabanker
Just in case if you are not aware, I and possibly some more users are already using Skype on 3 network as we would on 3's "skype compatible" phones.
There is a thread within Dream Application or search for iskoot for skype
Post your Qs if you need help.
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As a matter of interest, why use iSkoot instead of Skype Lite? Neither are "true" VOIP products, and I presume that neither is able to take advantage of 3's free "Skype to Skype"?
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Dave
Damn, beat me to report this news!
Its certainly good news and according to http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/10/20/238204/unlimited-spotify-music-on-3s-htc-hero-handset.htm it says that the package includes "free skype-to-skype calls" -- I guess a working "iSkoot" (or something similar) is coming out for android!
@foxmeister, you are right that neither is a true VOIP software, but iSkoot calls a special voice number to give you free skype-to-skype calls (but at the moment, iSkoot isn't calling that special number!)
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As a matter of interest, why use iSkoot instead of Skype Lite? Neither are "true" VOIP products, and I presume that neither is able to take advantage of 3's free "Skype to Skype"?
Regards,
Dave
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I use Sipdroid for Sip calls and "iskoot for skype" for skype calls. iSkoot for Skype works like normal skype for mobile and can make or receive calls from online skype contacts using data.
Yes, I must say that iSkoot for Skype as is, will use your minutes or credits so for most people it is not a viable solution but for those who are 3 PAYG or contract users can use it for free but the solution is a workround as mentioned in the "iskoot for skype" thread in Dream application section.
@tweedie, It works just like users have it on Nokias! But to push that .xml file the handset has to be rooted.
Edit: I just had a brief conversation with a 3 CS and was informed that Skype will be available, I have no idea if he was just assuming or advising me from the specs he might be quoting.
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I use Sipdroid for Sip calls and "iskoot for skype" for skype calls.
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Are you using Sipdroid with pbxes.com? I had Sipdroid up and running "direct" on my G1 with my Vonage softphone account, but with the Hero it seems to register ok (indicator "led" goes green) and after about 10 seconds yellow disconnects and registers again. It does this continually making it unusable at present.
Regards,
Dave
@tweedie, It works just like users have it on Nokias! But to push that .xml file the handset has to be rooted.
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There is another way if you don't have a rooted device (details at #9 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=546178)
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Are you using Sipdroid with pbxes.com? I had Sipdroid up and running "direct" on my G1 with my Vonage softphone account, but with the Hero it seems to register ok (indicator "led" goes green) and after about 10 seconds yellow disconnects and registers again. It does this continually making it unusable at present.
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Dave
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Hi,
Yes with pbxes.org I tried with voxalot where I has 4 or 5 sip providers registered but voxalot wont work on sipdroid. Only one way audio.
It seems to work fine with pbxes. Mine is a free account I dont mind becoming a paid user but than I will expect them to deliver.
Skype is something new in latest sipdroid application but as far as I know no one has configured yet! There are some questions at the parent website sipdroid.org and click on users discussions.
Its amazing that no one from the core team led by Pascal has replied or offered any help.
On a sideline, Fring may be launching their client soon and could be followed by Nimbuzz and perhaps Octrotalk.
Regards.
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Hi,
On a sideline, Fring may be launching their client soon and could be followed by Nimbuzz and perhaps Octrotalk.
Regards.
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Nimbuzz is out on android now, but no idea if its has SIP stuff.
At present Nimbuzz offers chat only.
Nobody mentions anything about Spotify?
I think this package is nice in idea, but rather expensive at £35 per month for 24 months, plus £99.99 for the phone.
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Nobody mentions anything about Spotify?
I think this package is nice in idea, but rather expensive at £35 per month for 24 months, plus £99.99 for the phone.
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Yeah the price would put me off too! I'd be tempted by the monthly price if I didn't have to pay for the phone as well. I guess the price sort of covers the free spotify anyway!
I am due an upgrade on 3 at the moment, but I already bought a Hero and don't really know what to do.
I hope its possible that if you already on a 3 network, got a htc hero with premuim spotify account, then free download of music without it using your internet allowance would be do-able.
Guys, Im really struggling here....
I bought an unlocked HTC Hero a few weeks before 3 announced their package...
I'm not getting my head around the iSkoot workaround. I understand why I need to do it, to allow my handset to dial over the 3 network to the "magic" 3 mobile to allow a virtual sykpe to skype conversation, but I can't understand how to achieve it. I'd rather not root just now and there was a glimmer of hope in this thread mentioning that it was not necessary.
If anyone can help, it would be great and would make our wedding (on 1/10/10 does anyone else see the binary joke?!) next year easier to plan as we live in different countries right now.
Any help/suggestions would be gratefully received - feel free to PM.
Thanks
No need for iskoot stuff. Look on the market for 'skype for 3'. It's a proper Skype software for the 3 network
Don't get the joke. Isn't that binary for 1/2/2 which that date has gone?
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Yeah the price would put me off too! I'd be tempted by the monthly price if I didn't have to pay for the phone as well. I guess the price sort of covers the free spotify anyway!
I am due an upgrade on 3 at the moment, but I already bought a Hero and don't really know what to do.
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It's not really 'free' - both Orange and T-Mobile will do the Hero free on a £25 contract, and Spotify is £10 a month.
By sticking with T-Mo, I've saved the £100 upfront price of the phone, and I can cancel my Spotify at any time if I don't like it and just pay my basic £25 talk/text/internet fee. Oh, and I've been with 3 twice now since they started and their service is abysmal
dropdboy said:
Guys, Im really struggling here....
I bought an unlocked HTC Hero a few weeks before 3 announced their package...
I'm not getting my head around the iSkoot workaround. I understand why I need to do it, to allow my handset to dial over the 3 network to the "magic" 3 mobile to allow a virtual sykpe to skype conversation, but I can't understand how to achieve it. I'd rather not root just now and there was a glimmer of hope in this thread mentioning that it was not necessary.
If anyone can help, it would be great and would make our wedding (on 1/10/10 does anyone else see the binary joke?!) next year easier to plan as we live in different countries right now.
Any help/suggestions would be gratefully received - feel free to PM.
Thanks
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I replied to your PM,
anyway there is a solution here Talkonaut 1.0 for Google's Android platform
Direct download link: https://get.talkonaut.com or visit
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