have Qtek 1010 in Hungary.
ROM version: 3.14.06 ENG
ROM date: 10/01/02
Radio version: 3.07
Model No.: PW10A1
Possibly upgrade my PDA with the ROM 3.16.13 ENG and Radio 3.19.01 or not ?
After the upgrade working my PDA or not ?
What's new that new version ?
Why need the upgrade ?
Sorry but I'm begginer.
Already posted in another thread:
The image can be downloaded on the first site...
however, I have just reflashed my XDA/MDA with the older irish ROM, it has plenty more features than this one, GPRS standby and ISDN call type.
Don't trust the version numbers
in other words, get yourself the irish update (3.15.15 & 4.16)
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in other words, get yourself the irish update (3.15.15 & 4.16)
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So why dont u just give a link too the files so he can try for himself..
1) I usually post from XDA, I wont search a page like that one to find him a link
2) a man of average intelligence can find the link himself, if not, he can mail someone
p.s. I've mistaken Irish update for a Dutch one, sorry, just keep looking for 3.15.15 & 4.16 versions
My Qtek works great with the new ROM.
Now ROM: 3.16.13 ENG and RADIO: 3.19.01
Thanks
My Qtek works great with the new ROM.
Now ROM: 3.16.13 ENG and RADIO: 3.19.01
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Guys, why are you all upgrading your devices so furiously? What are the advantages/benefits of the (different) upgrades? Any disadvantages? Is there any possible interference between the GSM company and the new upgraded PPC?
So, should I upgrade my plain vanilla Qtek 1010 (it sports the provided v3.15.09ENG for ROM and v3.07 for Radio) too?
many thanks,
[den]
If you only use GPRS and not ISDN Dial up profile..I find that i get better stability and thruput with the 3.19/3.16 upgrade...one of the guys here from CZ will tell you not to try it because its [email protected] i find it to be more stable and you may find the qtek upgrade better for your qtek..it has also improved the batt life on mine (me Mega big caller 3+ hours a day...)
upto you mate.. 8)
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upto you mate.. 8)
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Thanks buddy, yesterday I called my operator company if there is an official ROM upgrade, and the tech guys said, that there is one on the way (and there is good chance, that it will be MMS capable too), so I wait (god, I hate waiting ), and try to keep away myself from the dl-ed juicy-sweet ROMs.
Time will tell if it was worth or not.
[den]
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If you only use GPRS and not ISDN Dial up profile..I find that i get better stability and thruput with the 3.19/3.16 upgrade...one of the guys here from CZ will tell you not to try it because its [email protected] i find it to be more stable and you may find the qtek upgrade better for your qtek..it has also improved the batt life on mine (me Mega big caller 3+ hours a day...)
upto you mate.. 8)
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3.19/3.16 totally rocks! I used to be unable to stay connected on MSN Messenger (and other messenger services), but after upgrading everything is just super. Instead of being disconnected every couple of minutes, I can now stay online for hours.
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3.19/3.16 totally rocks! I used to be unable to stay connected on MSN Messenger (and other messenger services), but after upgrading everything is just super. Instead of being disconnected every couple of minutes, I can now stay online for hours.
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Dont speack too loudly or Zviratko will flame you as well as he has told me on more than one reply that 3.19/316 is [email protected] and only his update version are cool...but i am with you I am vereeeeeeeeeeeeeey pleased with the update...my 1010 dont crash or hang any more ! and the GPRS improvments are way cooooool...
Cheers..
This update is OK it does things your previous ancient version hasn't been capable of...
what I was saying is, that the "older" one, offers the same PLUS some more functions
If I'm not mistaken, this version is not SIM-Toolkit enabled mine is that's what counts for me because I use it for GSM Banking
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This update is OK it does things your previous ancient version hasn't been capable of...
what I was saying is, that the "older" one, offers the same PLUS some more functions
If I'm not mistaken, this version is not SIM-Toolkit enabled mine is that's what counts for me because I use it for GSM Banking
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A search on Google gives that GSM Banking seems to be something that is limited to countries in the eastern parts of Europe, Balkan and possibly Italy and Spain. So until it reaches the banks and service providers in Sweden I'll go for the latest version, SIM-Toolkit or not.
as I already said...
1) Don't trust version numbers
2) Don't trust release date
3.16.16 is OLDER than 3.15.15
HTC releases updates and gives them to the OEM manufacturers (O2, Qtek, T-Mobile and other telecoms). Then it's up to the manufacturer to modify and distribute this image.
Apparently, O2 implemented a more recent version from HTC in their older update.
And Qtek implemented an older version... but released it later.
Is that clear?
I am in no way arguing about how-it's-useful-for-you. If you don't need SIM toolkit, don't need ISDN, don't need the other functions, it doesn't matter which version you use.
But for most people, it is better to flash the new version than the old one.
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as I already said...
1) Don't trust version numbers
2) Don't trust release date
3.16.16 is OLDER than 3.15.15
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Hmmm.... What proof do you have for this other than the missing SIM Toolkit and ISDN? Is there an internal version number or date? Or how do you know?
To me it makes perfect sense not to include the SIM Toolkit in a ROM upgrade for Scandinavia. And I don't know how and when I would use the ISDN mode as in Sweden I always use GPRS, so that may also be market specific.
Please enlighten me!
ISDN is a digital data call. If you call to a digital device/service (Typicaly Wap gateway) it's much more stable with digital call than analogue one(and a bit faster).
GPRS is just another option.
Proof? No proof I've tried, I've seen, I got rid of it
I don't think Qtek has engineers for hacking SIM toolkit out, they just released an older version. That's all.
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ISDN is a digital data call. If you call to a digital device/service (Typicaly Wap gateway) it's much more stable with digital call than analogue one(and a bit faster).
GPRS is just another option.
Proof? No proof I've tried, I've seen, I got rid of it
I don't think Qtek has engineers for hacking SIM toolkit out, they just released an older version. That's all.
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How about this for a thought: The ROM images are not delivered to the OEM:s as images but as a collection of modules with the possibility to add or remove things before they are compiled into an image. The version number tells you the version of the core of the image, which is common to all distributions. This would make it possible for each vendor to include market specific packages while keeping the core functionality the same and could also explain why you find more functionality in an older package from one vendor than in a newer package from another.
BTW, with a full WAP/HTML browser on your phone is there really a need for the SIM Toolkit app? Doesn't SIM toolkit just make it possible to reach wap-sites using a browser on the sim if the phone lacks a browser?
No, SIM toolkit is basicaly an application which handles service SMSes. For example I have a SIM toolkit menus of Info&Entertainment, M-Payment and M-Bank. Each one allows me to choose a service through a menu (Like Info&Entertainment->Foreign news->Subscribe allows me to subscribe to a category to be delivered daily) all without the need of knowing where and what to send (without SIM toolkit I'd have to send "ZPR D" to 7777 as an SMS). M-Banking handles more things like receiving authorization SMS from my bank etc.
SIM service may be used to reach wap sites in the mean of choosing a category (Like on Eurotel CZ giving category "Juice" with links on a WAP site), but it still needs external browser to launch.
I was thinking it was modular with a common core, but I haven't seen anything that was more recent than I have in the "newer" version. And I don't see reason to not implement something if it was there.
And you are still misusing words "newer" and "older". 3.16 is "new" release of an "old" version. 3.15.15 is newer, but was released earlier. First ROM version (in beta versions) were actually 4.x
Btw. Pocket IE is not a full WAP browser, it doesn't handle wap APN, wap gateways and WMLProxies. It just handles WML (which is in fact a simplier HTML)
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ISDN is a digital data call. If you call to a digital device/service (Typicaly Wap gateway) it's much more stable with digital call than analogue one(and a bit faster).
GPRS is just another option.
Proof? No proof I've tried, I've seen, I got rid of it
I don't think Qtek has engineers for hacking SIM toolkit out, they just released an older version. That's all.
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AFIK
1) Qtek is just a reseller the IMAGE comes direct from HTC as Qtek is not an operator so its just an indirect brand of HTC.
2) ISDN Dial up does not use SWITCHED PACKET, which means that your Digital/Analogue comparison is correct but has nothing to do with GPRS, due to the fact that in ISDN dial up mode you are paying for the a) connection time b) throughput is limited to one traffic bearer i.e. 9.6 d) setup can not occur if all traffic channels of a base are BUSY c) in GPRS you only pay for the data transferred
3) SIM toolkit is really only useful on dumb phones without full browser or where the carrier adds additional services which they want to be easily accessed via a menu on the phone. No terrible relevant if I have a full Browser and my Bank has a proper portal.
And I guess that some one in Germany could say that its bad that the Qtek/MDA does not support HSCD which is a cheaper form of Always on (I don’t know if the xda supports this or not, but in my market it aint present)
Don’t forget that updates from O2 or TMobile will be better for their networks as they will more closely match features available on that network/market, whilst Qtek is an independent supplier. Who have to cater for products being used here in Dubai and in Sweden to name but a few.
OH and here is one for the road...in most advanced networks WAP is dead due to the fact that after the initial Hype the consumer moved quickly on to smartphones with real browsers...
I have a feeling you don't know what you're talking about
1) Wap is not dead (yet)
2) Qtek does have to do some branding because of the startup screen.
3) I know what the difference between dial-up and GPRS is, I test it for a mobile carrier! I don't know why you're talking about it...
4) it's not HSCD but HSCSD (High speed circuit switched data), and it's WAY better and faster than GPRS. And it has NOTHING in common with always on. ISDN and analogue data calls are CSD Calls (Circuit switched data) with one timeslot shared for upstream and downstream. HSCSD is Hight speed, it bonds several timeslots together like GPRS does, but it doesn't do that dynamicaly but per-call. GPRS is usually charged for data, HSCSD and CSD are charged per minute.
5) There is no added functionality in T-Mobile ROMs. It's the same as for O2. Just branded with another startup screen and less links to their (expensively paid) services. (this applies for europe)
Go play with kiddos and leave this stuff to techies
You really make me upset :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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I have a feeling you don't know what you're talking about
2) Qtek does have to do some branding because of the startup screen.
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oooooooooo and who puts the Startup screen on the iPaq...Compaq...me thinks not...no they order it from HTC built that way...thats why HTC is called a ODM !
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3) I know what the difference between dial-up and GPRS is, I test it for a mobile carrier! I don't know why you're talking about it...
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You Dont Seem to Show it...
BTW I used to be part of one of the ETSI working groups dreaming this stuff up...
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4) ISDN and analogue data calls are CSD Calls (Circuit switched data) with one timeslot shared for upstream and downstream.
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Exactly One TIME slot can only pass so much data ....in both GPRS and HSCSD Multi slots are used 4+1 ect so how can 1+1 be faster...
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HSCSD is Hight speed, it bonds several timeslots together like GPRS does, but it doesn't do that dynamicaly but per-call. GPRS is usually charged for data, HSCSD and CSD are charged per minute.
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Exactly thats why GPRS is better than paying for your connection time...! and also in the event that the cell is near saturaion GPRS can still provide truput....and not stop others from using voice cct, thats why carriers prefer it cause they can make dual use of the same traffic bearers... as multi subscribers can share the resource !...
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5) There is no added functionality in T-Mobile ROMs. It's the same as for O2. Just branded with another startup screen and less links to their (expensively paid) services. (this applies for europe)
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eeeeeeeh You were trying to make the point that the non qtek version is the best because of the additional features now you are saying thats not true ...strange...!!
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Go play with kiddos and leave this stuff to techies
You really make me upset :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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....No pesonal atacks only shows who is kiddie like...
seems to me alot of pepole here are agreeing that the 3.16/3.19 is ok for them ...you seem always as soon as some one comments on how good they find it...your right in there telling them that they are mistaken...how can so many people be so wrong...you even flamed the guy who said
"To me it makes perfect sense not to include the SIM Toolkit in a ROM upgrade for Scandinavia. And I don't know how and when I would use the ISDN mode as in Sweden I always use GPRS, so that may also be market specific.
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You still argue that
"But for most people, it is better to flash the new version than the old one."
Why ? he is happy
In another thread you mis quote your self twice and give inccorect information on the update that for you is so cool, leaving the reader not knowing if its the dutch or the irish update that they should take....
me thinks you should cool down and stop just commenting for the sake of saying something...
I need the GSM Triplets for a project but haven't really got a clue how to get them. I tried with RIL_SendSimCmd but I don't know how to write the command nor how to read the answer. Unfortunately I didn't find some useful docs yet.
Does someone know more about this?
An idea? Anybody?
I think I know how to send the command now (see http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/ccc_Chaos_Computer_Club/ftp.ccc.de/gsm/gsm_log_commented for an example), but I still get no answer at all, and my callback function isn't being used at all.
Is there noone who can help me getting this SRES and Kc?
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I think I know how to send the command now (see http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/ccc_Chaos_Computer_Club/ftp.ccc.de/gsm/gsm_log_commented for an example), but I still get no answer at all, and my callback function isn't being used at all.
Is there noone who can help me getting this SRES and Kc?
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I don't think it is possible, at least with my HTC Blueangel.
The required AT+CSIM (Generic SIMUICC access) command is missing in the command set.
There is only a AT+CRSM (Restricted SIMUICC access) command which only allows access to the SIMs filesystem.
Does this only mean that it won't work with AT commands or does it also mean that it will not work with RIL or even not at all?
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Does this only mean that it won't work with AT commands or does it also mean that it will not work with RIL or even not at all?
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AFAIK RIL uses AT commands to communicate with the gsm modem.
Just for completion: I checked with HTC and they say it's impossible with all their devices at this moment.
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i have problem in my phone
my mobile is (hp ipaq6315)
that it desnt work on my network
our network here at egypt is gsm
my phone can not worek on it
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my mobile is hp ipaq
it was operating with tmobile network
now its in egypt & i need to make the mobile operat with both vodafone & mobinle network in egypt what i have to do to reciept its password
Very newbie question.
I am thinking of getting a 8525 from ATT here in the us. Is it possible to develop applications with vs 2005 that run on the phone?
-george
yes
download the wm2005 stk if you dont want to just program for .net
So ATT doesn't force 3rd party applications to be signed or certified somehow?
(Sorry for my skepticism, my current carrier imposes this restriction and I just want to make sure before I buy the phone and find out the hard way)
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So ATT doesn't force 3rd party applications to be signed or certified somehow?
(Sorry for my skepticism, my current carrier imposes this restriction and I just want to make sure before I buy the phone and find out the hard way)
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No. I can run any application I choose on my 8525.
Bet you're glad to be dumping Verizon
HI even though i'm new to the forums as in making a profile, im not new to this awesome site!
I'll start off by saying that, im very computer litterate, and that the Cingular HTC 8125 is the first smartphone ive ever bought, so please take alittle pity on me as im coming from one of the dumbest basic kyocera phone's, to a phone thats still in the top spots of all smartphones
1) I slid a sim-card that I bought off of ebay(t-mobile) into the sim slot of wizard, and pressed the power button. When coming on it almost goes to the start(today) screen, but skips right to this white screen asking for sim unlock code, and I thought that maybe the numbers on the sim cards CARD would unlock it but no sucess. So ofcourse i came here, seeing on the front page of a program called LOCKIWIZ?
-Could you explain how to do this, as in setting up then executeing, in the most simple as you can get it, not be rude, but me just having this phone for a day, i dont know what things like HKey/System/tools...whatever means yet
1) I slid a sim-card that I bought off of ebay(t-mobile) into the sim slot of wizard, and pressed the power button. When coming on it almost goes to the start(today) screen, but skips right to this white screen asking for sim unlock code, and I thought that maybe the numbers on the sim cards CARD would unlock it but no sucess. So ofcourse i came here, seeing on the front page of a program called LOCKIWIZ?
-Could you explain how to do this, as in setting up then executeing, in the most simple as you can get it, not be rude, but me just having this phone for a day, i dont know what things like HKey/System/tools...whatever means yet
3) Could this ActiveSync program possible fix these problems, or other necessities?
4) Since I knew that I was getting this for christmas, I went, and got prepared to use this phone to its potential. So I went found lots of freeware apps.
Total Commander
Calculator98
Arithmetic
VBirthday
Taskmanager
The Core Pack Media Player
Pocket Encarta
Magic Button
MyMoney
XnView player-camera
Winrar
And 2 strategy games; Warring states, and crimson fields
- all of these apps/games, are already on a disk
Will all of these programs fit on a 1gb Mini SD Card?
Will the zip program, I saw in the phones menu help compress?
Which of these programs do you recommend I keep, and/or get rid of?
If any what the better equivalents of some of these programs?
BTW, what's the most simplistic way as to getting these program on to the phone through activesync or will their be instructions/tutorials to guide you?
5) Are we charger for Wi-FI Internet?
In case needed:
ROM: 2.25.11.1 WWE
OS 5.1.195
Sorry for the really long list of questions, but im sure that this thread will many others. And if theirs any of those 4-5 star "Stickys" that I missed sorry, cause I saw that their were about 250 pages!
Thank You!
Merry Christmas(XMAS)
3) Could this ActiveSync program possible fix these problems, or other necessities?
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ActiveSync its used to sincronize elements PC<->PDA, it includes outlook elements (mail, contacts, etc), MS office documents, and other stuff, this can be done manually or automatically... i think it can't solve the unlok problem but anyway it is necessary to install it to work properly with the pda...
4) Since I knew that I was getting this for christmas, I went, and got prepared to use this phone to its potential. So I went found lots of freeware apps.
Total Commander
Calculator98
Arithmetic
VBirthday
Taskmanager
The Core Pack Media Player
Pocket Encarta
Magic Button
MyMoney
XnView player-camera
Winrar
And 2 strategy games; Warring states, and crimson fields
- all of these apps/games, are already on a disk
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Will all of these programs fit on a 1gb Mini SD Card?
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YES... I think programs don't take too much space in memory card, mine is full due to some videos, music and those stuff... no problem with programs...
Will the zip program, I saw in the phones menu help compress?
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YES but it depends on the file type you requiere to compress; music and videos (big files) doesn´t change too much when compressed... but txt, docs and others get better rates...
Which of these programs do you recommend I keep, and/or get rid of?
If any what the better equivalents of some of these programs?
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There are lot of options, but freeware is a good option, the progs in list are normally included in custom roms but there are a lot more to test...
BTW, what's the most simplistic way as to getting these program on to the phone through activesync or will their be instructions/tutorials to guide you?
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Normally you can install them with activesync from the desktop but I think you will prefer to get the cab and install progs directly on the phone...
5) Are we charger for Wi-FI Internet?
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Not sure what you ask but wifi usage is the same than using a laptop... depend on the provider... some are free, some are restricted to suscribers...
I can't help about unloking because i bought my cingular SIM unlocked...
Thank You very much jorgejs!!!
Youve really helped, and thanks for posting!
Im already getting more experienced with my My WIZARD!
like today I amazingly unlocked it! so it could work with my t-mobile SIM, and i've only had it for 2 days
Now I plan to try and upgrade my phone to WM6!, eventhough i dont see anything wrong with WM5?
But my memory card still wont "install" itself, eventhough I bought a USB Sync cable today, and uploaded a few apps?
Well thanks again
If their were a rep system i'd +rep
I would like to make APP which simulates SIM card in software on android. I would load 2 or 3 SIM cards into phone and then I would chose which one I need in android.
Do you think that it`s possible to be done? I don`t know how phone communicates with SIM card, it`s by SW or HW?
Thanks for any advice.
to make it more clear what I want, I want it to work like deamon tools in Windows for cd-rom, but i want to emulate sim cards
You can get most of the source code from market enabler or market access. It does that in order to allow users to buy apps
XDA App
Actually I doubt that it's possible to emulate SIM card, take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscriber_Identity_Module at least.
The SIM card is designed not to allow the Ki (Authentication key) to be obtained using the smart-card interface. Instead, the SIM card provides a function, Run GSM Algorithm, that allows the phone to pass data to the SIM card to be signed with the Ki.
Thanks for reply. Market enabler doesn`t do what i really need. As I looked in the source code of it I found that it only rewrites system variables in which is stored Operator ID and string ID of Operator.
I know SIM cards have protection, but I know that there are ways to copy it, don`t know how yet but it`s not my problem right now. My problem is if it`s possible to emulate it in android or not if I will have it copyied.
Thanks.