have Qtek 1010 in Hungary.
ROM version: 3.14.06 ENG
ROM date: 10/01/02
Radio version: 3.07
Model No.: PW10A1
Possibly upgrade my PDA with the ROM 3.16.13 ENG and Radio 3.19.01 or not ?
After the upgrade working my PDA or not ?
What's new that new version ?
Why need the upgrade ?
Sorry but I'm begginer.
Already posted in another thread:
The image can be downloaded on the first site...
however, I have just reflashed my XDA/MDA with the older irish ROM, it has plenty more features than this one, GPRS standby and ISDN call type.
Don't trust the version numbers
in other words, get yourself the irish update (3.15.15 & 4.16)
Zviratko said:
in other words, get yourself the irish update (3.15.15 & 4.16)
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So why dont u just give a link too the files so he can try for himself..
1) I usually post from XDA, I wont search a page like that one to find him a link
2) a man of average intelligence can find the link himself, if not, he can mail someone
p.s. I've mistaken Irish update for a Dutch one, sorry, just keep looking for 3.15.15 & 4.16 versions
My Qtek works great with the new ROM.
Now ROM: 3.16.13 ENG and RADIO: 3.19.01
Thanks
My Qtek works great with the new ROM.
Now ROM: 3.16.13 ENG and RADIO: 3.19.01
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Guys, why are you all upgrading your devices so furiously? What are the advantages/benefits of the (different) upgrades? Any disadvantages? Is there any possible interference between the GSM company and the new upgraded PPC?
So, should I upgrade my plain vanilla Qtek 1010 (it sports the provided v3.15.09ENG for ROM and v3.07 for Radio) too?
many thanks,
[den]
If you only use GPRS and not ISDN Dial up profile..I find that i get better stability and thruput with the 3.19/3.16 upgrade...one of the guys here from CZ will tell you not to try it because its [email protected] i find it to be more stable and you may find the qtek upgrade better for your qtek..it has also improved the batt life on mine (me Mega big caller 3+ hours a day...)
upto you mate.. 8)
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upto you mate.. 8)
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Thanks buddy, yesterday I called my operator company if there is an official ROM upgrade, and the tech guys said, that there is one on the way (and there is good chance, that it will be MMS capable too), so I wait (god, I hate waiting ), and try to keep away myself from the dl-ed juicy-sweet ROMs.
Time will tell if it was worth or not.
[den]
NoBackUp said:
If you only use GPRS and not ISDN Dial up profile..I find that i get better stability and thruput with the 3.19/3.16 upgrade...one of the guys here from CZ will tell you not to try it because its [email protected] i find it to be more stable and you may find the qtek upgrade better for your qtek..it has also improved the batt life on mine (me Mega big caller 3+ hours a day...)
upto you mate.. 8)
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3.19/3.16 totally rocks! I used to be unable to stay connected on MSN Messenger (and other messenger services), but after upgrading everything is just super. Instead of being disconnected every couple of minutes, I can now stay online for hours.
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3.19/3.16 totally rocks! I used to be unable to stay connected on MSN Messenger (and other messenger services), but after upgrading everything is just super. Instead of being disconnected every couple of minutes, I can now stay online for hours.
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Dont speack too loudly or Zviratko will flame you as well as he has told me on more than one reply that 3.19/316 is [email protected] and only his update version are cool...but i am with you I am vereeeeeeeeeeeeeey pleased with the update...my 1010 dont crash or hang any more ! and the GPRS improvments are way cooooool...
Cheers..
This update is OK it does things your previous ancient version hasn't been capable of...
what I was saying is, that the "older" one, offers the same PLUS some more functions
If I'm not mistaken, this version is not SIM-Toolkit enabled mine is that's what counts for me because I use it for GSM Banking
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This update is OK it does things your previous ancient version hasn't been capable of...
what I was saying is, that the "older" one, offers the same PLUS some more functions
If I'm not mistaken, this version is not SIM-Toolkit enabled mine is that's what counts for me because I use it for GSM Banking
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A search on Google gives that GSM Banking seems to be something that is limited to countries in the eastern parts of Europe, Balkan and possibly Italy and Spain. So until it reaches the banks and service providers in Sweden I'll go for the latest version, SIM-Toolkit or not.
as I already said...
1) Don't trust version numbers
2) Don't trust release date
3.16.16 is OLDER than 3.15.15
HTC releases updates and gives them to the OEM manufacturers (O2, Qtek, T-Mobile and other telecoms). Then it's up to the manufacturer to modify and distribute this image.
Apparently, O2 implemented a more recent version from HTC in their older update.
And Qtek implemented an older version... but released it later.
Is that clear?
I am in no way arguing about how-it's-useful-for-you. If you don't need SIM toolkit, don't need ISDN, don't need the other functions, it doesn't matter which version you use.
But for most people, it is better to flash the new version than the old one.
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Zviratko said:
as I already said...
1) Don't trust version numbers
2) Don't trust release date
3.16.16 is OLDER than 3.15.15
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Hmmm.... What proof do you have for this other than the missing SIM Toolkit and ISDN? Is there an internal version number or date? Or how do you know?
To me it makes perfect sense not to include the SIM Toolkit in a ROM upgrade for Scandinavia. And I don't know how and when I would use the ISDN mode as in Sweden I always use GPRS, so that may also be market specific.
Please enlighten me!
ISDN is a digital data call. If you call to a digital device/service (Typicaly Wap gateway) it's much more stable with digital call than analogue one(and a bit faster).
GPRS is just another option.
Proof? No proof I've tried, I've seen, I got rid of it
I don't think Qtek has engineers for hacking SIM toolkit out, they just released an older version. That's all.
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ISDN is a digital data call. If you call to a digital device/service (Typicaly Wap gateway) it's much more stable with digital call than analogue one(and a bit faster).
GPRS is just another option.
Proof? No proof I've tried, I've seen, I got rid of it
I don't think Qtek has engineers for hacking SIM toolkit out, they just released an older version. That's all.
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How about this for a thought: The ROM images are not delivered to the OEM:s as images but as a collection of modules with the possibility to add or remove things before they are compiled into an image. The version number tells you the version of the core of the image, which is common to all distributions. This would make it possible for each vendor to include market specific packages while keeping the core functionality the same and could also explain why you find more functionality in an older package from one vendor than in a newer package from another.
BTW, with a full WAP/HTML browser on your phone is there really a need for the SIM Toolkit app? Doesn't SIM toolkit just make it possible to reach wap-sites using a browser on the sim if the phone lacks a browser?
No, SIM toolkit is basicaly an application which handles service SMSes. For example I have a SIM toolkit menus of Info&Entertainment, M-Payment and M-Bank. Each one allows me to choose a service through a menu (Like Info&Entertainment->Foreign news->Subscribe allows me to subscribe to a category to be delivered daily) all without the need of knowing where and what to send (without SIM toolkit I'd have to send "ZPR D" to 7777 as an SMS). M-Banking handles more things like receiving authorization SMS from my bank etc.
SIM service may be used to reach wap sites in the mean of choosing a category (Like on Eurotel CZ giving category "Juice" with links on a WAP site), but it still needs external browser to launch.
I was thinking it was modular with a common core, but I haven't seen anything that was more recent than I have in the "newer" version. And I don't see reason to not implement something if it was there.
And you are still misusing words "newer" and "older". 3.16 is "new" release of an "old" version. 3.15.15 is newer, but was released earlier. First ROM version (in beta versions) were actually 4.x
Btw. Pocket IE is not a full WAP browser, it doesn't handle wap APN, wap gateways and WMLProxies. It just handles WML (which is in fact a simplier HTML)
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ISDN is a digital data call. If you call to a digital device/service (Typicaly Wap gateway) it's much more stable with digital call than analogue one(and a bit faster).
GPRS is just another option.
Proof? No proof I've tried, I've seen, I got rid of it
I don't think Qtek has engineers for hacking SIM toolkit out, they just released an older version. That's all.
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AFIK
1) Qtek is just a reseller the IMAGE comes direct from HTC as Qtek is not an operator so its just an indirect brand of HTC.
2) ISDN Dial up does not use SWITCHED PACKET, which means that your Digital/Analogue comparison is correct but has nothing to do with GPRS, due to the fact that in ISDN dial up mode you are paying for the a) connection time b) throughput is limited to one traffic bearer i.e. 9.6 d) setup can not occur if all traffic channels of a base are BUSY c) in GPRS you only pay for the data transferred
3) SIM toolkit is really only useful on dumb phones without full browser or where the carrier adds additional services which they want to be easily accessed via a menu on the phone. No terrible relevant if I have a full Browser and my Bank has a proper portal.
And I guess that some one in Germany could say that its bad that the Qtek/MDA does not support HSCD which is a cheaper form of Always on (I don’t know if the xda supports this or not, but in my market it aint present)
Don’t forget that updates from O2 or TMobile will be better for their networks as they will more closely match features available on that network/market, whilst Qtek is an independent supplier. Who have to cater for products being used here in Dubai and in Sweden to name but a few.
OH and here is one for the road...in most advanced networks WAP is dead due to the fact that after the initial Hype the consumer moved quickly on to smartphones with real browsers...
I have a feeling you don't know what you're talking about
1) Wap is not dead (yet)
2) Qtek does have to do some branding because of the startup screen.
3) I know what the difference between dial-up and GPRS is, I test it for a mobile carrier! I don't know why you're talking about it...
4) it's not HSCD but HSCSD (High speed circuit switched data), and it's WAY better and faster than GPRS. And it has NOTHING in common with always on. ISDN and analogue data calls are CSD Calls (Circuit switched data) with one timeslot shared for upstream and downstream. HSCSD is Hight speed, it bonds several timeslots together like GPRS does, but it doesn't do that dynamicaly but per-call. GPRS is usually charged for data, HSCSD and CSD are charged per minute.
5) There is no added functionality in T-Mobile ROMs. It's the same as for O2. Just branded with another startup screen and less links to their (expensively paid) services. (this applies for europe)
Go play with kiddos and leave this stuff to techies
You really make me upset :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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I have a feeling you don't know what you're talking about
2) Qtek does have to do some branding because of the startup screen.
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oooooooooo and who puts the Startup screen on the iPaq...Compaq...me thinks not...no they order it from HTC built that way...thats why HTC is called a ODM !
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3) I know what the difference between dial-up and GPRS is, I test it for a mobile carrier! I don't know why you're talking about it...
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You Dont Seem to Show it...
BTW I used to be part of one of the ETSI working groups dreaming this stuff up...
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4) ISDN and analogue data calls are CSD Calls (Circuit switched data) with one timeslot shared for upstream and downstream.
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Exactly One TIME slot can only pass so much data ....in both GPRS and HSCSD Multi slots are used 4+1 ect so how can 1+1 be faster...
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HSCSD is Hight speed, it bonds several timeslots together like GPRS does, but it doesn't do that dynamicaly but per-call. GPRS is usually charged for data, HSCSD and CSD are charged per minute.
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Exactly thats why GPRS is better than paying for your connection time...! and also in the event that the cell is near saturaion GPRS can still provide truput....and not stop others from using voice cct, thats why carriers prefer it cause they can make dual use of the same traffic bearers... as multi subscribers can share the resource !...
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5) There is no added functionality in T-Mobile ROMs. It's the same as for O2. Just branded with another startup screen and less links to their (expensively paid) services. (this applies for europe)
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eeeeeeeh You were trying to make the point that the non qtek version is the best because of the additional features now you are saying thats not true ...strange...!!
Zviratko said:
Go play with kiddos and leave this stuff to techies
You really make me upset :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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....No pesonal atacks only shows who is kiddie like...
seems to me alot of pepole here are agreeing that the 3.16/3.19 is ok for them ...you seem always as soon as some one comments on how good they find it...your right in there telling them that they are mistaken...how can so many people be so wrong...you even flamed the guy who said
"To me it makes perfect sense not to include the SIM Toolkit in a ROM upgrade for Scandinavia. And I don't know how and when I would use the ISDN mode as in Sweden I always use GPRS, so that may also be market specific.
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You still argue that
"But for most people, it is better to flash the new version than the old one."
Why ? he is happy
In another thread you mis quote your self twice and give inccorect information on the update that for you is so cool, leaving the reader not knowing if its the dutch or the irish update that they should take....
me thinks you should cool down and stop just commenting for the sake of saying something...
Now you will not have to be worry about make your calls,send sms..and be spyed.
This software promise to encrypt entire GSM data.
Realized on a Q-Tek 2020 Hardware
http://www.caspertech.com/prodotti.php
Sorry if this is a stupid question but, having looked at the web site briefly it seems to me that this will only work between two devices both equiped with the Cryptech software?
unapproachable2kx said:
Now you will not have to be worry about make your calls,send sms..and be spyed.
This software promise to encrypt entire GSM data.
Realized on a Q-Tek 2020 Hardware
http://www.caspertech.com/prodotti.php
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This looks very similar to http://www.cryptophone.nl/
Except that cryptophone is open source, and the CasparTech product uses "proprietary encryption algorithms" - I wonder if these CasparTech guys wrote their application from scratch.
If you don't care about being able to see the source (i.e. if you don't care about backdoors -- remember Crypto A.G.?) you could also use skype, although that uses GPRS rather than a connection directly to another xda2 device with crypto software on in. Depending on the codec's bitrate and your GPRS plan, using GPRS/voip on skype may work out more/less expensive when you use it.
The fine people at http://www.cryptophone.nl/ also offer a windows version for your at-home/work PC or laptop to use with a landline for free, and the source code is right there on their website for all to see. Their product is NOT cheap, but knowing that it's secure should be worth it to those who have the need for it (e.g. big business, politicians, etc.)
(There is no pricing on that Caspartech page, so who knows what it costs..)
The http://www.cryptophone.nl/ people also founded xda-developers.com btw.
A PPC version of speakfreely (google for it, it's cool) would be a Nice Thing To Have.
I have a SD card with lots of software, most programs usually run without installation, shortcuts were copied from my QTEK9090 to this device (QTEK9000)
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Some programs cannot be started, they complain about certificates..
Most others do - except for these that won't work in WM5
What's the point with this behavior anyway ?
I searhed this forum, but did not find any real answers.
In terms of what's the point:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...conapplicationsecurityonmobiledevicesozup.asp
Basically to prevent you running applications not permitted by your phone operator, in case you try to screw up their network or they have otherwise locked down your phone to get cash/inconvenience out of you.
You need to disable various security policies. Try searching for BeyondTheTech's posts. He's always got goodies for children that come to play with his puppies.
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so .. it is basicly no drawback to disable this "feature" completly ?
Oh: well, it depends how much you trust your 3rd party software, and whether you trust your operator more than you trust yourself.
If your operator application-locks your phone, and you can unlock it, use your own judgement if the software you run is safe.
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My friend plans on getting the XV6800 which I believe is a Titan. I was wondering if the titan applications are similar to ours and if programs that I have stored on my comp for my wing will work for it. I'm just curious to know if most windows mobile applications work for each other or do certain phones take only certain programs, or their own versions of them. Thanks for the info!
The Verizon phone runs WM6, so a lot of apps are universal to the OS, and not the particular phone.
However, since it is a CDMA phone, there could be conflicts for specific service registry edits, and network services (i.e. SMS/MMS, dialing/contact list progs, and IM...) So that's when you would be a little cautious about using programs that are made for just the wing. It's not nessisarly going to be a problem, but it is possible-- I think?
Apps themselves will run fine.
ROMs are NOT interchangable.
And like buggzero said, registry edits and network services may or may not be compatible.
I am just wondering if its necessary to jailbreak your wp7 if you wanna activate live services. I mean if you have a activation code provided by microsoft itself, what do you need to jailbreak for then?
you only need it if you want to download apps .
ceesheim said:
you only need it if you want to download apps .
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Because downloading apps is an insigificant feature of modern day smartphones right?
Apparently MS will be disabling Chevron in an upcoming update.:
http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2...jailbreak-disabled-by-windows-phone-7-update/
When this happens, our current method of activating WP7 won't work. I have no doubt the DEVs will find a way to fix this, however.
Yeah, but i dont get that. If you have got a legal windows live id and a legal activation code, why do you need additional third party programms to download applications?
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Yeah, but i dont get that. If you have got a legal windows live id and a legal activation code, why do you need additional third party programms to download applications?
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Because the marketplace will block unauthorized devices (i/e a hacked HTC Leo) regardless of whether or not your live ID and activation codes are legitimate. The marketplace can tell what kind of device you're using, and without unlocking the phone and going through the steps to change how you're device is identified, you won't be able to download apps.
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Yeah, but i dont get that. If you have got a legal windows live id and a legal activation code, why do you need additional third party programms to download applications?
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because you don't use a original wp7 certified phone
mystik610 said:
Because downloading apps is an insigificant feature of modern day smartphones right?
Apparently MS will be disabling Chevron in an upcoming update.:
http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2...jailbreak-disabled-by-windows-phone-7-update/
When this happens, our current method of activating WP7 won't work. I have no doubt the DEVs will find a way to fix this, however.
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You can disable the chevron from locking. see this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907169&page=2
scroll to post 17. But go to the very first post to understand.
All thanks to Xboxmod of the Dev team for this hack.
Russ