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WME2003 my experience so far, good & bad.

First off XDA Dev forum rocks! I think it is so great that so many people have really helped every level of user. I believe this is truly the best-run forum on the net. XDA developer Peter Poelman, Jeff S., Lance, and I'm sure I'm leaving someone(s) out, please don't take it personally (God I feel like I'm giving an Oscars speech). No really, these guys are great! It's always nice to see a virtual community that actually works like a community. Anyways Tits Up! to ya all :lol: I hope that wasn't inappropriate I mean it is a real expression...... ...I think? :shock:
OK back to my experience so far:
(Theses experiences are based on a Previously US T-Mo PPCPE device with the ATT wireless SX56 latest Radio Stack running obviously WME2003 on US Cingular's Network. As a side note I think we should encourage people making posts for help or in general to start each post with your location, country, service provider, device variant, & ROM+Radio info. This sounds like a lot but these things really aid troubleshooting. Not to mention many of these things can be the thing that makes someone go :idea: I know the answer to that one! Anyway just a thought)
a.) I don't mind all the name changes, win CE, Handheld PC, Pocket PC + 1 and a 1/2 incarnations, and now WME. Just as long as it doesn't get changed to The Operating System Formerly Known As :roll:
b.) If you are having trouble with ring tones this is what I experienced. After using the add ringtone app in setting my ring tones wouldn't show up once I went to the phone app to change the ring tone it was not their. I then snooped around and found some differences.
1.) 2003 ring tones (ROM) are actually .wma files or have that extension
2.) Strangely these files differentiate from regular .wav files by having a space after the name (i.e. ringtonfilename .wma verses ringtonfilename.wma or ringtonfilename.wav) I am not sure this is how the OS tells the diff.
3.) Even weirder now everything works as it should space no space, use +ringtone app, or direct copy file to Rings folder in \windows DIR. So, if you're having problems try adding the space and putting it in the windows directory folder then once it shows up move it back to the rings folder and all should be well. Haven't toyed with .midi ring tones or polyphonic ringtones yet.
c.) If you want .wav files to show up in the sounds & notification / notifications tab just name the beginning of the file with Alarm i.e. Alarmwavfilename.wav and put it in the \Windows DIR folder and their you have it. I use Looney Toons TAZ talking when I get a new SMS as an example. AlarmTAZ.wav
d.) There seems to be a lot of stuff left over from the old OS if that is possible, or I'm not sure why it would be included as duplicates or not used by .Net 4.2x
Under Settings:
I have 2 power icons under settings. They both seem to work fine except one uses a newer Icon and is missing hyperlinks to other apps. I wonder if 4.2 see both but not the key that has the hyper links. Might be fixable. I'd suggest delete one of the keys but not before figuring out adding a new value for the hyper links. I still don't quite understand the registry. I have no computer training just self-taught and now have hard resetting down to blind folded, underwater and in my sleep :lol:
(If anyone understands the registry please PM me I have some interesting ideas I’d like to try that could benefit everyone )
Auto Config icon links no where.
Device Information doesn't get all the information right.
Other stuff that seems to do nothing but is present
\Windows\Cookies
\Windows\History
\Windows\Temporary Internet Files
\Windows\www
[I think these files were added by the developer of this beta to aid the team/soft dev/beta testers familiar with the old layout. I don't think this is the raw WME2003 OS (could be wrong). I would love to get my hands on that, incase service providers tweak & load junk on their that make the device work the way "they" want it to and not what it "is" capable of doing.]
These all now live in (with the exception of the last) in a new location that gets used (with new sub folders called content.IE5 & history.IE5) \Windows\Profiles\guest\
You'll need to know this if you wish to move the location of your temp internet files to be stored on your SD or MMC card. (p.s. don't delete your index file when manually deleting files in these folder it does not remake itself on warm boot. This may not be the case any more)
Also, you may want to download & install VBruntime for pocket pc 2003 from MS. I looked all over and for the life of me I can not find the file to post the link, but don't worry once you do anything that requires it I was prompted to download it by the OS :shock: 8)
e.) Also under \Application Data\Volatile\ DIR & \profiles\default\ DIR these don't seem to serve any function either.
That's about it for the oddities, of course there's the snooze hangs your device alarm bug. Not sure if that's going to be so easily fixed might be vibrate option related? Haven't toyed yet.
Also, radio signal display isn't all that accurate. Signal still the same, just not displayed as accurately.
OK now on to the cool stuff! (I'll just focus on the functionality issues as not to repeat too much that we already have in the forum:
f.) True Class B GPRS (Strange seems to be OS side not GSM Radio Side, as I didn't upgrade the Radio Stack :?: )
Always on + True GPRS Suspend feature! (I can't believe I waited over a year! for this common basic function :evil: and MANY people out their are still! waiting. I'm surprised this device even did as well as it did given this was already a feature in Bluetooth phone+PDA combos. I almost took it back to the store the day I bought it (Like all the handheld computers in my PDA graveyard from Casio Boss-Sharp-1st CE-Psion-RIMBlackberry-HPC both form factors-PPC, I must be the first to have it! I'm ill that way :roll: early adopter is a light term :shock: )
g.) Today Plug-in big improvement Calendar gives you a heads up the next appointment down the road (you'll either love this or hate it & it's not an option so hope for the first)
Inbox plug-in shows all your accounts SMS+All email accounts. Taping on the specific account launches that account 8)
h.) Pac-Man anyone just go to \Windows\Pac-Man.exe and copy via file explorer into your \Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Games and Tap & Hold select paste shortcut. Then Tap & Hold rename and get rid of "shortcut"
i.) Inbox rocks now almost Blackberry like functionality (sort of) When you set up a new account their is an option to check called connect & check for messages every "" minutes. Max value is only 60min not so good if you’re trying to watch kb charges or battery life. But the really cool part is it really works. Even if you ready for this kids 8) DO NOT have a current data connection it will at the appointed interval launch a data connection and run! :shock: way 8) This will take place even if the devise is turned off, but requires inbox to be open and I think on the top (not running in the background a stupid MS bug. Not the case when the device is on will run in the background)
Now for the things I do hate :x :
Once again Microsoft just blows me away in their omission of a function that is so obvious, basic and expected and just cripples the device at the point of it's "Main" cool sell factor (i.e. data connection killed on power off, data connection terminated on call dial/receive) that I just can't believe it :shock: The moment the little thought ran through my head "Oh, #%[email protected]! I might have to wait a year for this tiny #%[email protected] pivotal bug to get worked out I almost threw my device out the window I was so pissed :x :evil: So hear it is and your not going to believe it:
The inbox as stated above works awesome, very automated, great, etc, but if you have more that one email account it will ONLY auto connect and check the one that is on top! Even worse, if your SMS account is on top wont check any of your email accounts :shock: I just cant believe it all that functionality and just like before...Up the dirt path! :shock: What were they thinking? I don't think this is going to be fixed by any of the operators. I'd be curious if the non Phone Edition WME2003 has this same roadblock? Two little things; work in the background on or off, and check all accounts. Makes sense the app has to be open.
One last OMG can't believe it MSN Messenger is very flakey with GPRS Suspend sessions. Meaning sometimes it does not reconnect and other times it does. The problem is you will have no idea unless you go look to see, at this point...What's the point? Defeats the whole purpose. Again, these are most likely on the MS side not likely to be fixed by the service providers
I recommend copying the tmail.lnk file located in \Windows\ to \Windows\StartUp\
One cool thing you might really want to do :
This is a must have http://www.phm.lu/Products/PocketPC/RegEdit/ for the following:
It seems many people like to program their voicemail password in with the voicemail number so it gets entered automatically. I, like many others, initially tried adding the p's to the number in Start, Settings, Phone, Voicemail but after a soft reset the p's change to 0's.
The following seems to work on an SX56 with AT&T Wireless and T-Mobile. This involves editing the registry, if you're not careful you can break things requiring a hard reset. You might want to do a backup through ActiveSync before trying this. I'm not responsible if you break it.
If you don't already have it, download and install a registry editor. The one from PHM (www.phm.lu/products) seems to work great.
Open the registry editor.
Navigate to \HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Vmail
Edit the PhoneNumber key to include your voicemail access number, pauses (use "p"), and your password.
Edit the RegOverridesSIM to 1, instead of 0.
Close the registry editor.
Soft reset the device.
Go to SpeedDial and verify your voicemail number includes the pauses and password.
After this, do not go into the Voicemail settings, ie. where it says "Reading settings from network...". Doing so will reset the RegOverridesSIM key and you'll have to do it again.
Hope this helps someone out.
Source: PocketPCPassion user boostaddict
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Mike Collins
thank you mike for this tip now it gets a little trick on 2003 here's why. In the \HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Vmail there is no RegOverridesSIM key beleive it or not I a non-programmer am going to teach you anyone how to write a registry key :shock: (only for this instance! It's probably not really this easy. I had no idea what I was doing. Just guessed right the first time, shew!) OK kids here we go (doing this wrong may well destroy the very fabric of our 4 dimensional universe or.....It'll just #%[email protected] up your machine :roll: ):
\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Vmail
Then from edit on the command bar select "New DWORD Value"
Value Name: RegOverridesSIM
Value data: 1
Base: Decimal
Hit OK
Now go to Phone Number 1 Edit your phone number to include your pauses and password or what not under
Value Data
and hit OK
Exit the program (Close It not minimize)
Soft Reset your device and that's it!
OK enough my conclusion (To WME2003 or SER1.2 or not):
If you read this post and said "#%[email protected]! me, do I really need to know all that?! :evil: I just want my device to work. (You want a stable reliable device, and never look under the hood of your own car. Oil what's that? you get the idea :mrgreen
Also if you are counting kb (GPRS data) and only connect for information, for fun, or not more than 5+ times a day
Then Go with SER1.1 or 1.2 both excellent very well done and way stable. Nice job guys 8)
If you are not counting kb, you really "need" connectivity 24hrs a day (other than the novelty factor i.e. I do wireless & software consulting for corporations in the US wanting to go wireless or paperless, and I provide Technical support via IM clients. Now imagine how free "I" become being able to be truly mobile :shock: This is what wireless is really all about baby! I'm also an Actor here in Los Angeles...no really it just sounds like a joke :lol: )
don't mind getting your hands dirty, tinkering under the hood, or every time someone give you back your phone after looking at it you caress and utter under your breath "My Preeeeeciouse...."
Then go with WME2003
Hope this helps.
P.s. If there are any programmers for CE4.2 out there I have some ideas specific to these devices and I have the resources to get these ideas to companies and the entertainment industry. The demand is getting stronger, the future is being realized in business, and right now my hands are tied to what already is. Not, what should be. Big difference, even bigger market.

Funny thing, the PHM registry editor was already in my windows directory so I am guessing it is part of the ROM image to begin with. Since this is a developer ROM image I can see the need for this. Can anyone else confirm this so I can stop wondering whether or not I installed PHM in my sleep and didn't know about it.
I did the double wammy, I installed the ATT SX56 update and then immediately MW2003 on my T-Mobile PPC. Bad move, sort of. My GPRS signal was MIA for a good 80-90% of the time after that after the 2003 install. Maybe it was the network but I thought it was funny that all of a sudden after several months of almost no downtime I start having connection problems after updating the radio stack. After a couple days of this I decided to revert back to the ATT SX56 rom. So far my signal is back to what it should be.
I have to conclude it is the 2003 ROM and the type of SIM or coverage in my area. Voicestream showed up as the carrier under 2003, but under 2002 it shows as T-Mobile. Is this the case for all T-Mobile users I wonder? I wish I could figure out why my GPRS wasn't working under 2003 but until then I will stick with what I have at this point. At least I can rule out the radio stack upgrade as the problem.
Uninterupted GPRS with Thunderhawk will have to suffice for now.
If you are sticking with 2003 I envy you. Even with this pre-release version of the OS I can see definite speed increases with games, so I am guessing it across the board too.
Thanks for XDA Developers and Jeff for their contributions and more importantly time to this community.

@ ottoman3
Yes that is the case with my unit, in the LA basin, too.
But I really don't mind if it says Voicestream or T-Mobile, my service here reports Cingular :shock: since they share network and towers in the area. And yes PHM Registry edit is on the ROM, with some other Registry thing, Wallaby (xda) stress test tool and PacMan
I'm sticking with it, because I like the experience, see
http://www.xda-developers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1649
I have no need for Blackberry-style email, in fact I *like* the fact that I can control email flow (manually yes but it's ok 4 me).
The +'s outweigh the -'s in my case, ymmv :wink:

PHM Registry is indeed in the 2003 ROM. But it is v0.2 instead of the latest v0.7

ottoman3
PHM reg edit in ROM I decided to encourage people to use the latest version, but old one works just fine too.
The other reg edit tool is manual (I think kind of like a command line registry edit)
If you'd like please post what device hardware you are running (who you bought it from) and upgrade revisions i.e. Here's what I did. Started with latest t-mo ROM & Radio from US T-Mo website, then successfully (no bumps) updated to AT&T latest ROM & Radio, then updated (with a few hangs, simply solved by pulling the device from the cradle closing the desktop session putting the device back in the cradle and running set up again. Never soft or hard reset my device. The upgrade program sees where you left off and picks up from there) SERv1.1, Then successfully upgraded just the ROM image to WME2003.
My radio rom combo works fine - being quite temperamental from time to time. Radio seems to be fine, just rom temperamental.
Couple of things:
I assume your phone was SIM Unlocked, if so it will show the actual network provider for the tower you are using. If your device is SIM locked to a certain network provider AT&T or T-Mo it usually only shows that provider unless you are roaming. Voicestream is the old name T-Mo is the new name so maybe some locations still ID as VS. Where are you located? Like vagelis said CA, New York, and I think one other allow these two providers to sell service in areas they were not in.
Once you upgraded successfully to ATT ROM did you soft reset allow the radio to register on the network, connect to GPRS and then did the 2003 update? Just curious. Shouldn't make a difference but when handshaking with networks it might want to log the IMEI number or something first. Just guessing:?
Usually if you are able to connect to GPRS some of the time and not other it is not necessarily on the device side. That usually denotes an operator problem.
And vagelis what's a matter with you :wink: not wanting instant or timely email notification! No really, I understand there are two opinions to everything one is mine the other is wrong :roll:
I just wish they would have not stopped short, seems like a simple yet obvious ooophs .
One last thing, if you want email notification without incurring data costs, try the following:
Open a hotmail account, go to alerts tab, and set up alerts via SMS to your cellular phone number you.
Then at your POP3 account home simply set up “forward copy of mail” received (not all POP3 services allow this and HTML services do not allow forward to another account) to your new hotmail inbox. Now you will know via an SMS message that you need to “Manually” check your Inbox on your device. It also includes the subject line in the SMS but not the body of text incase you decide it’s not important enough to check right now. If you already use a HTML mail account most of the major ones have SMS alerts for email. So, you will know when you have to log-on and sign in to your mailbox.

I followed the upgrade path pretty much the same as you erickbryce minus the Dev 1.1 upgrade. I went from the latest T-Mobile rom to the latest ATT SX56 rom. Reset the device, signed onto my service, played with GPRS just to see what uninterupted GPRS was really like. It said T-Mobile with the ATT rom so I know it had something to do with MW2003. I then upgraded to MW2003. Then it went downhill from there.
I bought my PPC phone last August from CompUSA so I am guessing it is the unlocked version. I just read a very interesting thread over at PPCPassion about someone getting their SIM replaced with a new one from T-Mobile and their Voicestream idenitification changed back to T-Mobile and their GPRS improved greatly. It sounds just like my situation. And since my phone was purchased right around the time Voicestream changed over to T-Mobile maybe something was left behind on the SIM. I never really followed up on GSM and SIM technology to know what exactly is stored on these cards outside of Account information. I will see if I can get my SIM replaced with a new one and try MW2003. I really miss the speed boost.
Thanks for your input and suggestions.

Can you give a little more detail on the "Then it went downhill from there" part? :lol:

The GPRS connection went downhill from there. Sorry for not being too clear with that statement. It started out okay, then for the next several days I pretty much was never able to establish a connection. It must have been connected with MW2003 because my connection was dead prior to returning to the ATT rom. 10 minutes later after the upgrade my GPRS came back. It has been solid ever since.

Hmm very interesting
Just wondering did you try the new SIM card solution yet? I am just very interested now to see if swapping the SIM makes GPRS work now. The curious thing is, it worked then didn't :evil: . If your provider disable some provisioning on their end changing the SIM will only load the same provisions on your account as before on the new SIM. Please let me know and ask your service provider why this would work if it does. Always learning, so would like to know. :idea:

Perhaps a stupid question: why should I upgrade?!

Hi,
now this may sound really stupid to most of you since you are all very eager to have the newest ROM on your XDA's, but I don't really get it. My O2-XDA was always working fine, and when I read some topics here, I got the idea that I was missing something.
So I upgraded my device to radio 4.21 and ROM 3.17.03 but I don't notice any difference. Also, no programs have been added (except for the wireless modem application), and the ROM still comes with useless stuff like the Action Engine, which is useless since O2 Netherland is taken over by Telfort and it doesn't support it anymore. O2 England has a newer ROM version to offer, I might try that, but...
Why would I?
I have read countless topics on upgrading, also on upgrading the XDA to WM2003, but why? It's always "it works great!!!" or "I can't get it to work!!!" but the real difference (except the feeling of having the newest ROM in your device) is never explained.
So, someone, tell me what I'm missing here?

programs made for wm2003 dont always work on ppc2002
like voicecommand from ms
this is likely to become a bigger and bigger problem as time goes by

I agree with you on there is no BIG motive for upgrade. The only noticed differences are:
1. SMS better handling
2. GPRS "Always on" feature, but it's not that fancy except if you keep MSN messenger on (who does this ??!! :shock: ).
3. MIDI files for ring tones (never worked for me tho :evil: )
Rudegar said:
programs made for wm2003 dont always work on ppc2002
like voicecommand from ms
this is likely to become a bigger and bigger problem as time goes by
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That's true, but if you don't need these s/w you shouldn't sacrifice the stability. However, will this amount of experience in this forum it's not that complex any more.

1. SMS better handling
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Can you explain this to me?
Because my XDA already has GPRS always on (and you're right, who does that ).
Chances are I already have the better SMS handling, but didn't notice it? What is the exact difference?

Capt. PV.
I'd probably apply the 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' rule if I were you.
I upgraded my XDA (and recently did a full hardware upgrade to an i-Mate / XDA II) because there were features I wanted (such as wireless modem) for a particular purpose, but I doubt I'd have upgraded if that weren't so.
If you're comfortable with your baby as it is, (and aren't slave to a constant compulsion to pull things apart to figure out why they work) don't mess with it. :roll: .

SMS has character count. GPRS always on is very useful when you are actually trying to do something with it. If you want to continue using old software that's fine. Same reason not to upgrade from DOS 6.1. But personally I like getting software and installing it without worrying about whether my O/S is new enough. Some of us just like to experiment too.
We also live in the hope that bugs and nuances will be fixed with each O/S release and service release. If you believe the XDA is without nuances in its original form then you don't use it enough.
If you cannot think of any single reason to upgrade - then don't.

SMS better handling also includes the 4 buttons in the dialog upon recveiving the SMS so you can call/delete/reply immediately instead of opening the Inbox item. This is plus the character count and the auto-name-insert feature after the first 3 letters.
The GPRS always on feature saves the time to get attached, but if this time is less than 3 seconds and usually the s/w is connecting automatically then it's not that issue (at least for me) as I noticed that making/receiving phone calls is faster when GPRS is off (I might be wrong tho ).

I notice you are running the standard O2 setup with the latest rom and radio stack 4.21, if you go to the rom kitchen you can still cook the same rom but you can add a whole bunch of programs to the unused space in your rom area, if you dont mind losing the bloated O2 auto setup and use the developers setup you will have even more free space. These programs are instantly available, use no ram unless running and make the xda a much better pda/phone.

Captain Pervert said:
So, someone, tell me what I'm missing here?
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Hi,
Pocket Quake II doesn't run on PPC2002 :twisted: "due to a bug in the Operating System" so other software may also not work. The second important thing is Media Player 9 installed (with codecs).

do people really play quake 1 and 2 and other fps on their pda's ?
or is it just to impress people ?
because i've messed around a bit with quake1 and feel like a handicap'd zombie trying to gain any kind of control over the game
compared to how i can do it on a normal pc
imho then the controls of pda's dont mix with fps that well
the whole aiming thing require one to use the pen and i just cant do that fast or precise enough for gaming

(New) Crypted GSM network

Now you will not have to be worry about make your calls,send sms..and be spyed.
This software promise to encrypt entire GSM data.
Realized on a Q-Tek 2020 Hardware
http://www.caspertech.com/prodotti.php

Sorry if this is a stupid question but, having looked at the web site briefly it seems to me that this will only work between two devices both equiped with the Cryptech software?
unapproachable2kx said:
Now you will not have to be worry about make your calls,send sms..and be spyed.
This software promise to encrypt entire GSM data.
Realized on a Q-Tek 2020 Hardware
http://www.caspertech.com/prodotti.php
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This looks very similar to http://www.cryptophone.nl/
Except that cryptophone is open source, and the CasparTech product uses "proprietary encryption algorithms" - I wonder if these CasparTech guys wrote their application from scratch.
If you don't care about being able to see the source (i.e. if you don't care about backdoors -- remember Crypto A.G.?) you could also use skype, although that uses GPRS rather than a connection directly to another xda2 device with crypto software on in. Depending on the codec's bitrate and your GPRS plan, using GPRS/voip on skype may work out more/less expensive when you use it.
The fine people at http://www.cryptophone.nl/ also offer a windows version for your at-home/work PC or laptop to use with a landline for free, and the source code is right there on their website for all to see. Their product is NOT cheap, but knowing that it's secure should be worth it to those who have the need for it (e.g. big business, politicians, etc.)
(There is no pricing on that Caspartech page, so who knows what it costs..)
The http://www.cryptophone.nl/ people also founded xda-developers.com btw.
A PPC version of speakfreely (google for it, it's cool) would be a Nice Thing To Have.

When will the I-mate Jasjam come out in Australia???????

Hi all I am just wondering when the Jasjam will be out in Australia? Also would you recommend it? If not what would you recommend? Thanks heaps.

The jasjam is expected to come out in Australia sometime between when hell freezes over and when Telstra gets their act together. Telstra has an exclusive deal to sell the imate jasjam up until xmas or there abouts. Its expected to launch late sept/early october on Telstra.
Additionally Dopod in conjunction with 3 will launch the Dopod 838Pro later this month or early next month, this is a similar device to the jasjam just different rom/bundled software/casing and the dopod is expected to be alot cheaper then the imate, imate are charging more for their variant for some reason.
I would recommend any Hermes device, bar the CHT 9000 and any O2 Asia variants. I found the TyTN very useful, fast, efficient, light weight, and whilst I liked the 'spacier' button layout of the TyTN the M3100 (also same layout as Jasjam and dopod 838Pro) was still all of the above just a little less room for error with the buttons and when your in a hurry.

Thanks heaps for all the info it has really helped!!!!!

One question how would the warranty work if I got one from U.K or USA on E-bay?

Osir1s I take it that you have got a tytn? Ifso where did you get it? If you don't mind my asking how much did you pay for it? Thanks heaps.

Osir1s would it be OK if I added you to my MSN Messenger contacts?

Regardless of whether you purchase a jasjam, tytn, dopod, etc etc since none are currently sold in Australia all of them will carry an international warranty. HTC Warranty is very good as its international and transferrable, i-mate for example can be real pricks with their warranties from time to time, dopod im not sure about etc.
You may also be interested to know if you really want a jasjam expansys newzealand, not AU but the new zealand website can sell the jasjams to Australians however you will pay $1410 for it.
I purchased my TyTN through ebay, but look around there are plenty of stores selling TyTNs, its the dopods, jasjams, trions that are harder to come by. I have no experience with these people but alot of ppl on these boards in another thread recommend www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com or MadMonkeyBoys website whatever that is.
For a TyTN you shouldnt pay more then $1100AU put it that way. obviously as aforementioned jasjams etc will set you back more, but for the TyTN no more then $1100AU, maybe $1120 at absolutely max depending on the exchange rate at the time.
I hope this has been of some help.

Any news on the release date?

it will be released around christmas time. This device is currently tested and configured for telstra 3G wap portal.

That long?

DOPOD is officilally launched as business in Australia in Sydney last week.
both DOPOD 838 pro and DOPD 595 are coming to Australia and will be disrtibuted by 3 Networks and OPTUS. Also, thanks to Brightpoint, these models will be also available in retail chains.

yeah, they tried to implement it into their DB device but fails due to the firmware problem. [ Can not Stream the live video and video on demand ]. However, their appointed partner ( which I can not tell you - I am working for that company ) is working on it and this device is going to deploy sometime next week.

Australian avail..
Good to hear. I also heard a date next week for something related, and think there would be a very big hole if Jasjam isn't part of it.
but, does this mean it will launch feature-incomplete with a promise that "the rest will come real soon now"?

godtakeit said:
yeah, they tried to implement it into their DB device but fails due to the firmware problem. [ Can not Stream the live video and video on demand ]. However, their appointed partner ( which I can not tell you - I am working for that company ) is working on it and this device is going to deploy sometime next week.
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So you have been working on a software solution to stream real media??? or am I reading to much into this?
Because I have a JasJar, and still to date, have been unable to watch any video streams at all.
Would be really intersted to hear what you were working on.....

In the past, Telstra 3G live stream only supports 3GP and RM (Real Media ) since there is no PDA device in their so-called marketing list. However, they decide to bring PDA into the market and support wm9 format.
Problem is, Windows Media Player connects into the media server but fails to extract and pick up the correct video format ( for the optimal & performance purposes ). We found firmware isn't compatible with media stream server. Solution is to let Telstra deal with their supplier instead of putting this job to us.
Not only this device, they also bring new palm PDA devices ( which run WM5 AKU 2.x ) as well as new blackberry.
Sometimes during Christmas, you guys will see bounch of new devices release to market. I think it will be sold around 1100 AUD.

To gunigugu
You won't be able to stream at all because Jasjar is not in their 3G DB device list. Only those devices that are in that list will be able to load 3G WAP Portal and stream. There are 2 conditions to stream video content :
1. Your device is in DB device list
2. You are active subscriber ( either Telstra or 3 )
Same to anyone who has problem with 3 Provider. They restricted number of devices that can connect and view any video content from their WAP site.
If you want to view the 3 or Telstra WAP portal, you have to modify the User Profile, UA differences to any devices which are currently supported by 3 or Telstra. I can list some of them ( Sony Ericsson K600i, K610, Motorola V3x, Nokia N70, N80, Samsung Z150, Z400, Z510 and some other devices I can not remember their model No ) .

godtakeit said:
To gunigugu
You won't be able to stream at all because Jasjar is not in their 3G DB device list. Only those devices that are in that list will be able to load 3G WAP Portal and stream. There are 2 conditions to stream video content :
1. Your device is in DB device list
2. You are active subscriber ( either Telstra or 3 )
Same to anyone who has problem with 3 Provider. They restricted number of devices that can connect and view any video content from their WAP site.
If you want to view the 3 or Telstra WAP portal, you have to modify the User Profile, UA differences to any devices which are currently supported by 3 or Telstra. I can list some of them ( Sony Ericsson K600i, K610, Motorola V3x, Nokia N70, N80, Samsung Z150, Z400, Z510 and some other devices I can not remember their model No ) .
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Thanks for the tip, we (the guys on the universal forum) have worked this out already...
But we've ran into 2 hurdles:
1: Streaming video. It seems purely software, in that we can't find any software capable of playing real media streams compatiable with windows mobile 2005.
We are all able to access the web portal, and get anything we like, just when it comes to streaming, the software isn't working properly.
Any advice?
2: MMS For some reason, regardless of the settings used, we just can not get it to send/recieve. We are able to see the headers, but thats it.
Thanks for any help or information you can provide. We are all very greatful.

To gunigugu
Your problem :
1. Streaming video. It seems purely software, in that we can't find any software capable of playing real media streams compatiable with windows mobile 2005.
It is because the User Profile that you used for HTC Universal or any PDA devices belongs to other device that has different method of handling video stream & method calls. Modified trick is only applied when you want to browse Provider's WAP site. Real Media for PPC has different way of handling method calls ( get content function, trigger media manager of device function, create secure & authenticate user & device & connection function) than Real Media for S60, Symbian.
Soon they put TyTn into their DB list, ( I think 3 will do the same with their PDA devices which are running WM5 ). you can use those's User profile to enjoy streaming content. But for now, I don't think you can.
2. MMS For some reason, regardless of the settings used, we just can not get it to send/recieve. We are able to see the headers, but thats it
I don't know much about MMS because it is handled by other groups.
From my understanding, there are 2 checks on MMS server
1. Check device to see whether it is capable of MMS or not
2. Same network's subscribers.
I have not seen any reason why we can not send MMS, no idea but I can find out more infos about this.
My group is responsible for Content delivery platform and Multimedia services.
Hope it helps

godtakeit said:
To gunigugu
Your problem :
1. Streaming video. It seems purely software, in that we can't find any software capable of playing real media streams compatiable with windows mobile 2005.
It is because the User Profile that you used for HTC Universal or any PDA devices belongs to other device that has different method of handling video stream & method calls. Modified trick is only applied when you want to browse Provider's WAP site. Real Media for PPC has different way of handling method calls ( get content function, trigger media manager of device function, create secure & authenticate user & device & connection function) than Real Media for S60, Symbian.
Soon they put TyTn into their DB list, ( I think 3 will do the same with their PDA devices which are running WM5 ). you can use those's User profile to enjoy streaming content. But for now, I don't think you can.
2. MMS For some reason, regardless of the settings used, we just can not get it to send/recieve. We are able to see the headers, but thats it
I don't know much about MMS because it is handled by other groups.
From my understanding, there are 2 checks on MMS server
1. Check device to see whether it is capable of MMS or not
2. Same network's subscribers.
I have not seen any reason why we can not send MMS, no idea but I can find out more infos about this.
My group is responsible for Content delivery platform and Multimedia services.
Hope it helps
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Man, your amazing!
Where the hell have you been, most of us, on the universal thread, have been pulling our hair out, trying to organise this!!!
So would I be right in assuming, that the TyTn will be the first WM2005 built into the database.
Does WM2005 go into more specifics such as model number, i.e. JasJar and TyTn. OR am I to assume, that after they are done putting TyTn into the db list, that my universal, will work perfectly with the portal.
BTW, can I ask, what software have you used, to play the real media streams? As this is an area we've had alot of trouble with in relation to wm2005.

In the past, Telstra had planned to bring Jasjar into AUST market but they were never done it. ( I don't know why - my assumption is because this device is too big and most of mobile user in Australia is only care about size and fashion phone than the phone that has lots of functionalities ).
It was a mistake and in order to correct their mistake and trying to gain PDA market share ( they lost PDA market to 3 for Motorola A1000, Motorola A925, Nokia E61 - All are running Symbian OS with Real Player installed), tyTn and other WM5 devices are tested and ready to be released.
Don't know about the price yet but they bought tytn through I-mate with HTC supported .
Like I said before, Telstra has no intention of bringing Jasjar into this market ( maybe they will change in the future but who knows, they used to bring Nokia 9500 device into Market ) . Because Jasjar and tytn share the same operating system as well as stream media player ( they will be built with AKU 2.x ) therefore, the User Profile's modification will work with Streaming media thing. Still you have to modify your header. ( put Tytn's User profile into Jasjar, it will do the trick )
Telstra will put WM9 into their media server. Nothing secrets, it is a plain Windows Media Player 10. RM can be played through customised RealMedia Player for ppc. That's what we have got in here

AGEphone Mobile 2 Softphone

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"And, who the heck are you?" I hear you ask. We, that is the ageet Corporation in beautiful (and far) Japan and we simply couldn't stand watching the Windows Mobile VoIP market dragging along... with an SJphone version right out of the stoneage, the wannabe softphone Fring with its horrible interface ans support for but one SIP provider and not to forget Skype which single handedly brings your PPC to the knees should you only think about calling someone. AGEphone does things differently and it does things BETTER (see our press release under http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372992) and we hope that it will be of good service to many people. And that is where you come into play:
... cause our AGEphone has been in programming for quite a while already, but we know well enough that we are just not there yet. We're selling our software and that is why you can expect only the best. So, why not give the current version a go and let me know what you like and (more importantly) dislike about it. Right now we're working on bluetooth support and chat functions are planned for the future. But I know that there must be many more features that you would like to see in in our program and we don't even have a clue about it... until now. A little post might just be enough to let us know!
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Will be nice if you had a proper English web site. Clicking on the English still keeps you at the Jap language. Why come and post here when you cant even get a proper web site with English on??

I'm very sorry for that. The new page is still pretty new and there are some quirks that need to be sorted out. The problem should be fixed by now, but if it persists please PM me your OS and browser version and we will look further into it. Apart from that, rest assured that we can serve you in fluent English, German and Japanese if you give our products a try.

Still doesnt work. Im using Firefox 3.0 Beta. Also tried it in IE, still no dice.
Atleast give a direct link to the English site or have a splash page to choose a language instead of taking it fully to Japanese.

Languge option works for me, OK it's a USA flag to click and not a Union Jack, but i still see a site in English.

Wierd, I dont know what you are clicking on but the US flag has a link to http://www.ageet.com/us/ and if you click on that it reverts back to Japanese in both IE and FF for me.

I'm sorry, raaj, but unfortunately I have not been able to reproduce your problem using FF 2, IE 6 and 7, Opera and Safari (minor template quirks) from work and home. I haven't tested Firefox 3 and Internet Explorer 8 though as we simply can't support any beta versions. Please have a look at
http://www.ageet.com/us/products-agephone-mobile.htm
for some information about our softphone and go to
http://www.ageet.com/us/download.htm
to download either of our products in a free trial version. Please also clear your browser cache and cookies if you haven't done so already. I hope that this works for you, but if not: The /us/ always turns any page into English if a translation is available. Please let me know if anybody else is having trouble with changing the languages on the page.

AgePhone Mobile
This is the best voip sw I have tried for Windows Mobile.
I have tried:
iFon
SJPhone
Xlite
internal WM6 using Schap settings
Fring
Skype
plus others I forgot.
It displays well on my HTC Advantage with RealVGA at 128dpi, call quality is good, integrates with contacts, works well with my BT headset and is generally slick. Highly recomended, and I don't work for them...
james

And a little intro video for your viewing pleasure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micq_ghALGk
Prize question: How to integrate videos directly into posts here?

Falk said:
And a little intro video for your viewing pleasure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micq_ghALGk
Prize question: How to integrate videos directly into posts here?
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Trick Question, you cant

Is there anyway to choose the codec used, or is it done automatically? I'm running it on a 200MHz phone, and the audio quality was a bit choppy. I checked the server log and it shows capability for g.711u only, but I see on the website that gsm is also available.
Thanks.

bluetooth head does not work on my orbit 2, and the voice comes out of the back speaker as with all the other voip software.
is there something i have done wrong.

@ayking: The codec gets selected automatically and on mobile devices we usually force GSM. You can override the settings in the INI files. Just go to "My Documents / My Phone Booth" and take a look at the sipd.conf. You can find the codec settings under the "General" section as
MediaTypes = 3 0 8 101
where
0 = G.711u
3 = GSM
8 = G.711a
101 = DTMF setting (ignore)
Sometimes this might come out as
MediaTypes = 0 3 8 101
in which case you should change it to the first version that prefers GSM. In general, please try to raise the the jitter buffer in the programs audio settings to 240ms and see if that improves things. If it doesn't help you can also experiment with "OutBufferCnt = 3" in the INI under "Audio". I hope this fixes the choppiness.

@itolson: No, you haven't done anything wrong and neither is it our fault. Most HTC devices simply don't support routing the audio to the earphone speaker and thus you always end up hearing it through the external one. We are keeping an eye on any developments that have been able to fix this for some Japanese WM devices already. That is because contrary to the HTC guys who don't even bother answering our mails Sharp has been a bit less secretive and told us the DeviceIoControl ID of their device so that we could fix the speaker settings.
As for Bluetooth, there is no support for it in the current version of AGEphone and thus you can only use your headset if you use a little hack. Search the forums for "BTAudioToggle.exe" and start it before you make a call with AGEphone. It enables all audio to be routed through the BT headset and also allows you to use the headset microphone. You can automate this process with AGEphone under "Settings - Other" where you can enter "BTAudioToggle.exe" to get started when a call connects and to get disconnected when your call ends. I hope this is of any help until we add official support.

has the software been tested with a connection over gprs / 3g / hdspa or only with wifi?
Is there support for going through the operator proxy ? (there are operators with unlimited 3g plans that only work using the operators proxy)

@trv: We have tested our AGEphone with WiFi, 3G, HSDPA and PHS (EDGE equivalent) and it worked fine on all of them. PHS / EDGE can be a bit borderline though and we didn't include it in our requirements for that reason. It's more than worth a try though.
As for the proxy support, it depends solely on your provider: If they decided to use their proxy to block VoIP traffic you can make AGEphone work only over a VPN or otherwise encrypted connection. Please feel free to try our test version with your provider to see if it works.

Agephone codecs
Falk,
You say you force GSM codec, I see that is that one selected on my implementation. Forgive newby questions, but by GSM do you mean AMR, or AMR-WB with a 16kHz sample? G.711 is an extremely simple algorithm from (1972?) so is not very bandwidth efficient. I'm wondering if there is a route to the high quality sound I get with my laptop/WiFi Voip implementation with my pda over HSDPA using some of the newer bandwidth efficent packet loss tolerant codecs like iLBC, G.729, G.722.2 etc, which I see you have on your desktop version? Is the limit processing complexity in the pda? I know my service provider voiptalk supports iLBC, G.729 and G.722. I know there are license issues with G.729, but not iLBC.
Surely the latest devices (mine has a 624MHz X-Scale, 256M Rom and 128M RAM) could run the advanced codecs? I understand Skype uses their own special sauce, but based on iLBC.
I would really appreciate your expert input here.
Sorry to dive in to all this, but xda-developers is a 'pushing the boundry' type forum!
James

WOW, not to sure about all this, set up servers, limited to 1 minute, have to buy the software. Want to use it for free, then you have to go out and sell the software yourself? Whats next, make money selling the software by having your own sales team? I see another "Work from home" pyramid scheme coming on here, just my skeptical point of view here. I think I'll stick with skype for now, especially since i can answer the call from my home phone, computer, or pda phone since any of these can be logged on at the same time.

@iscajames: Don't be sorry - that's what the thread is there for and I hope that I can answer all your questions! So let's get started: When I wrote GSM I did indeed mean AMR 8 KHz. Right now we limit our AGEphone to ARM and G.711 for simplicities sake and to keep the SIP stack small and efficient. You are right again when you suspect that some of the other codecs put a lot of stress on mobile CPUs, but that is not the main reason.
Codecs like AMR-WB and G.729A cost a lot of initial and licensing fees and so far we simply could not integrate them because of that. We are, however working on a solution to that right now and you might see some additional codecs in our product in the future. iLBC would be possible even now and the only reason so far was that it would add some size and hasn't been requested much by our customers.
I will talk it with our programmers again and see if we can find a good solution for this. I think that iLBC might be a good addition for now - be it for some providers that support it or people using AGEphone in P2P mode.

@NiteStalker: Let me explain a bit to clear up the whole thing for you: First off, this is no pyramid scheme or get "rich with software" scheme. We just thought that it might be a nice idea to reward the people that are helping us to bring our AGEphone a bit further. It's not more than those two licenses that I spoke about in the first post.
And if you use a SIP-softphone then of course you have to register with a SIP-server in order to place your calls. You are also registering with the Skype network anytime you log on. The only difference is that YOU chose the server and by that get much cheaper prices than Skype could ever offer.
They give their software away for free because they hope to hook you up with their service. ageet doesn't offer any phone service. Just see us as a vendor whom you buy your phone from. Without a provider it's nearly worthless as you can just use it in peer to peer mode.
If Skype does what you want to do and does so for a good price then there is no need to use our software. For many people though being locked down to just one network, having to put up with a crappy PPC version, financing Ebay's wish to make some money out of their billion dollar buy ain't all that great and for those AGEphone Mobile might be worth a try