I've come across some situations where I'm at a loss on how to navigate without hardware keys. For example selecting bookmarks to edit on the Internet tab after displaying all bookmarks. Am I missing something?
I usually try one of the following:
Click and hold - depends on applications, you might see pop up window that lets you delete, or edit the item just selected.
Click, move away while keeping the finger in contact with the screen to avoid firing up that item. Depends on application, sometimes this start to highlight more than the item that I want. Then I move my finger back to the first item to result in the selection of only that item.
Lack of hardware keys especially the D-pad is the worst thing in Touch HD
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Carty..
I either use as said the click and hold option or bring up the keyboard as that has arrows built in. Not really had a prob so far.
Carty said:
Lack of hardware keys especially the D-pad is the worst thing in Touch HD
Regards,
Carty..
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I'm startig to nearly agree with this statement, i haven't missed the Dpad yet or any extra hardware keys but this device is living on the edge not having a dpad or hardware keys and also not supporting multi touch.
I think that a few months down the line the lack of multi touch support might become an issue!
Like i said before, so far i really haven't missed the Dpad, I think the HD does prove WM can be soley touch operated.
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Please help a possible future HTC Wizard owner ! I want to be part of the club ! It's as easy as clicking "reply":
I have tried the Treo and I appreciate it's one-handed use.
Since there is no "windows" and "ok" buttons on the HTC Wizard, I assume people will remap them (either to Messages, IExplorer, or the Send button)
Do you feel that you can navigate with one hand without worrying about dropping it, since your thumb is at the bottom instead of the middle ?
If you remapped your buttons, you'd have to click on one button at the top for Start, then slide your thumb back down to select the menu item, then slide your thumb back up to click OK every time you need to close a window... it seems like a work-out !
How do you dial a number you've never dialed before when you can't look at the screen ?
I love the Treo's form factor, but the old OS, lack of multi-tasking, lack of real bluetooth and WiFi are holding me back...
Please enlighten me !
Please help a possible future HTC Wizard owner ! I want to be part of the club ! It's as easy as clicking "reply":
Always room for one more
I have tried the Treo and I appreciate it's one-handed use.
Yup
Since there is no "windows" and "ok" buttons on the HTC Wizard, I assume people will remap them (either to Messages, IExplorer, or the Send button)
I remapped the Voice Button (and set Voice Command to the IE button) and the Comm Manager button to start menu.
Do you feel that you can navigate with one hand without worrying about dropping it, since your thumb is at the bottom instead of the middle ?
I dropped it yesterday because someone bumped into me (fortunately the device survived with only a few scratches), so I don't walk around using it onehanded anymore. I hold it with one hand and push the buttons with the other. no stylus needed.
If you remapped your buttons, you'd have to click on one button at the top for Start, then slide your thumb back down to select the menu item, then slide your thumb back up to click OK every time you need to close a window... it seems like a work-out !
I haven't had a problem, but as I said above, now I use both hands for safety.
How do you dial a number you've never dialed before when you can't look at the screen ?
You can't Or you can used Voice Command (sold separately) to say "Dial" then the number
I love the Treo's form factor, but the old OS, lack of multi-tasking, lack of real bluetooth and WiFi are holding me back...
Go the Wizard!! I saw a Treo 650 in the shops yesterday, and had a hold (had no battery so I couldn't play) and the keyboard on the Wizard is much better, but the Treo's kb can be used onehanded farely easiler. It definately beats the Wizard in onehandedness, but I would pick the Wizard because of the reasons you stated, plus the use of Windows Mobile (Palm is too simple).
Please enlighten me !
You should now feel (somewhat) enlightened!
Is there any programs like the iAno for the HTC diamond?
tango3 said:
Is there any programs like the iAno for the HTC diamond?
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The diamond is not a multi-touch screen. Sigh... another plus for the iPhone.
topspeclt said:
The diamond is not a multi-touch screen. Sigh... another plus for the iPhone.
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Aww darn it
topspeclt said:
The diamond is not a multi-touch screen. Sigh... another plus for the iPhone.
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The screen may not be multiitouch, but the lower panel is fully multi-touch, and can be sued tor anything you fancy...
I don't know who else has noticed this, but the diamond only has 2 real hardware buttons it seems. The device uses the multi touch panel to "guess" which button has been pressed, as the finger touches the panel over the button.
A nice experiment to try, is pressing a button through a t-shirt or a cloth. You'll notice that the buttons light up, but no commands are executed, as the device doens't know where you pressed.
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The device uses the multi touch panel to "guess" which button has been pressed, as the finger touches the panel over the button.
A nice experiment to try, is pressing a button through a t-shirt or a cloth. You'll notice that the buttons light up, but no commands are executed, as the device doens't know where you pressed.
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Are you talking about the actual buttons at the bottom of the phone? Because mine actually press down. Yours must be broken
I can even press them with an apple
i think he sais that the phone "knows" your finger is on the button before u even push it, its enough to gently stroke or place your finger onto the round button.
i dont think he meant that he couldnt push the button, just that there is 2 functions to it.
thats right
the pad on the bottom actually server 2 purposes. mechanical buttons (5, enter, home, back,pick up, and hang up) and the dialwheel... BUT underneath the buttons there is more.. the complete pad is touchsensitive, altough not utilized by the diamond, for now that is...
its even multitouch.. for now only the dialwheel and the enter buttom use the touchsensitive capabilities..
somewhere on this forum there are a bunch of applications to debug/test youre diamond, i believe this paticular program was called navdebug or something like that..
it would be nice when sombody can utilize this pad in his software...
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i think he sais that the phone "knows" your finger is on the button before u even push it, its enough to gently stroke or place your finger onto the round button.
i dont think he meant that he couldnt push the button, just that there is 2 functions to it.
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I know there is the touch and the actual button function, but when he said...
brins0 said:
the diamond only has 2 real hardware buttons it seems. The device uses the multi touch panel to "guess" which button has been pressed, as the finger touches the panel over the button.
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...it had me confused. The panel clearly has hardware buttons underneath so there must be more than 2 on the entire phone. It also doesn't need to "guess" which button has been pressed.
The lower part of Touch Diamond has:
Two touch surfaces (one on the left and one on the right of the OK button)
Two clickable buttons underneath each touch surface (actually including the OK button it's 3 buttons)
When you put your finger on the touch panel it reads your position. If you press harder you will press the button underneath and it will translate the press according to your position on the touch panel as a specific button press.
So in theory, we could add another button bitween HOME and PHONE, or BACK and HANG UP etc etc
Unfortunately it's not fully multitouch, it just able to read simultaneously finger positions or presses from both touch panels. Something that may be mistaken for multitouch!
Ah right, so the 2 hardware buttons makes sense now
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The lower part of Touch Diamond has:
Two touch surfaces (one on the left and one on the right of the OK button)
Two clickable buttons underneath each touch surface (actually including the OK button it's 3 buttons)
When you put your finger on the touch panel it reads your position. If you press harder you will press the button underneath and it will translate the press according to your position on the touch panel as a specific button press.
So in theory, we could add another button bitween HOME and PHONE, or BACK and HANG UP etc etc
Unfortunately it's not fully multitouch, it just able to read simultaneously finger positions or presses from both touch panels. Something that may be mistaken for multitouch!
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youre absolutly right...
however when i run the navdebug for the touchpanel, i can surely read the position of my fingers on both sides simutaniously. wich as far as i understand could be explained as multitouch.... correct me if i am wrong..
sadly i dont know how to code my own software, otherwise i would like to investigate further how this works... i geuss it has a grid of proximitysensor whis get read at a specific interval, and i assume, like the navdebug already gives away, that the resolution of the so calles multitouchpanel, will be very low...
i tried it and i just have to correct some of my sayings...
i seems that the matrix is divided into 3 parts wich could be read simutaniously, lets say left, middle and right... it doesnt read multitouch in one matrix... we just got 3 matrixes simutaniously....
never the less we could utilize it for example scrolling....
I am not really sure how multi touch works but I have been using Stylophone program
on my fone and the whole screen is a keyboard. I allows you to play 2 keys of the keyboard
at the same time and two different sounds are always present if u get what I mean.
So m not sure if that cuts in as multi touch....Hmmm
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The lower part of Touch Diamond has:
Two touch surfaces (one on the left and one on the right of the OK button)
Two clickable buttons underneath each touch surface (actually including the OK button it's 3 buttons)
When you put your finger on the touch panel it reads your position. If you press harder you will press the button underneath and it will translate the press according to your position on the touch panel as a specific button press.
So in theory, we could add another button bitween HOME and PHONE, or BACK and HANG UP etc etc
Unfortunately it's not fully multitouch, it just able to read simultaneously finger positions or presses from both touch panels. Something that may be mistaken for multitouch!
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This is exaclty what I was trying to say. I really do suck at explaining things sometimes...
The buttons on my device do indeed click down when pressed firmly, but when pressed with a non organic object, the button clicks, but no action is performed, as the device does not know where the button was pressed down.
When I work out how to read the location of these "touches" I think it would be VERY easy to add extra "buttons" to the lower touch section, and even replace the ones which are there already.
here's the link for whom that haven't seen it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY
What is this process and what does it do? I found it in \Windows and it's size is 91600 bytes (89.4k). It is nowhere as Autorun or a startup service, yet it starts everytime i turn on the phone. I kill it manually.
If i kill the process, nothing bad happends, everything works, and even better, some lag disappears.
Any1 knows what it is??
See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401984&page=6.
I would suggest you start from this page, because of the following quote:
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HTC had no reason to include an application it their ROM if it wasn't needed.
The application is used wherever a "cube-like" action is requested.
For example kill biotouch, go to your mail and swing left to get to the next msg..
BOUM, phone freeze, soft reset.
At least this happened to me with a 1.93 ROM
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Killing this process makes the X1 a lot faster on the WM GUI level! No crashes, no freezes, evereything seems to work as normal. So what is it for on the X1?
The only thing I noticed, that PocketBreeze doesn't show the messages on the message tab after killing the process.
on biotouch depend some gestures but you can live without them
Killing biotouch seems to have really given my X1 a kick up the a**! More responsive, task manager shows 5-6% usage now. Nothing seems to be missing either. Eraly days thou, I see how it goes..
When I open and close the screen switches to landscape a whole lot quicker too!
One question on my mind "Whats the catch?"!
Silly question, but how do i see my processes?
Install this task manager on your X1..
Try disabling biotouch.exe
If it gives you an improvement then install this to stop biotouch.exe from starting the next time you restart your X1.. Make sure biotouch.exe has been stopped in the task manager before running this.
It controls finger scrolling through emails etc. and for me I couldn't live without. If you don;t need this then should be fine to kill.
so it only controls scrolling? nothing else?
finger scrolling up/down or left/right (to go to previous/next messages) also?
would killing biotouch make it not work on the screen, but would i still be able to go left/right on the optical pad?
disabled biotouch and still have finger scrolling everywhere, don't have any difference, just less memory consumption an maybe a bit more speed.
I have the normal task manager, but can't see any program running.
Do I have to install the task manager cab from the first page?
Biotouch enhances logics processing of touch input. It is because of this program that you can use the ultra-small high-res Windows Mobile default keyboard using your thumb on the very small square keys/buttons, and be able to accurately press the buttons you intend to press. (Anyway I prefer Spb Keyboard instead hehe).
Biotouch calculates equidistant midpoints between the perimeter edges of your finger touch, and incorporates touch pressures (with the center of your touch having the most pressure), in its algorithm for accuracy.
Try it yourself: use the keyboard with large keys/buttons on an iPhone 3G, and then use the default Windows Mobile on-screen QWERTY keyboard using your XPERIA which has even smaller keys/buttons. You will be surprised how much easier it is to press the intended buttons on your XPERIA than the iPhone with its capacitative touch screen.
Biotouch helps with other things too like enhancing touch-scrolling based on how much of the touch surface your finger stayed on the screen during a gesture, to decide what type of scroll to do.
Another thing it helps with is distinguishing finger touch from stylus touch. If one small high-pressure point is detected it assumes it's your stylus. In some situations you may be able to scroll easily with your finger but not with your stylus, as using the stylus you would be selecting text instead, for example.
dogans said:
I have the normal task manager, but can't see any program running.
Do I have to install the task manager cab from the first page?
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Yes. It runs just like Windows Task Manager highlighting programs running in the background and giving you the option to 'Terminate' (End Task) an application.
I notice that if I have a large html email and use "tap to scroll right" option it starts biotouch.exe.
If the fix is installed to stop biotouch then the phone crashes. So either dont scroll right in the emails or I just remember to kill biotouch once im finished.. Although I get a lot of email I personally dont need to use the scroll right function very often..
holdout said:
Biotouch enhances logics processing of touch input. It is because of this program that you can use the ultra-small high-res Windows Mobile default keyboard using your thumb on the very small square keys/buttons, and be able to accurately press the buttons you intend to press. (Anyway I prefer Spb Keyboard instead hehe).
Biotouch calculates equidistant midpoints between the perimeter edges of your finger touch, and incorporates touch pressures (with the center of your touch having the most pressure), in its algorithm for accuracy.
Try it yourself: use the keyboard with large keys/buttons on an iPhone 3G, and then use the default Windows Mobile on-screen QWERTY keyboard using your XPERIA which has even smaller keys/buttons. You will be surprised how much easier it is to press the intended buttons on your XPERIA than the iPhone with its capacitative touch screen.
Biotouch helps with other things too like enhancing touch-scrolling based on how much of the touch surface your finger stayed on the screen during a gesture, to decide what type of scroll to do.
Another thing it helps with is distinguishing finger touch from stylus touch. If one small high-pressure point is detected it assumes it's your stylus. In some situations you may be able to scroll easily with your finger but not with your stylus, as using the stylus you would be selecting text instead, for example.
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in this case, biotouch is impt
holdout said:
Biotouch enhances logics processing of touch input. It is because of this program that you can use the ultra-small high-res Windows Mobile default keyboard using your thumb on the very small square keys/buttons, and be able to accurately press the buttons you intend to press. (Anyway I prefer Spb Keyboard instead hehe).
Biotouch calculates equidistant midpoints between the perimeter edges of your finger touch, and incorporates touch pressures (with the center of your touch having the most pressure), in its algorithm for accuracy.
Try it yourself: use the keyboard with large keys/buttons on an iPhone 3G, and then use the default Windows Mobile on-screen QWERTY keyboard using your XPERIA which has even smaller keys/buttons. You will be surprised how much easier it is to press the intended buttons on your XPERIA than the iPhone with its capacitative touch screen.
Biotouch helps with other things too like enhancing touch-scrolling based on how much of the touch surface your finger stayed on the screen during a gesture, to decide what type of scroll to do.
Another thing it helps with is distinguishing finger touch from stylus touch. If one small high-pressure point is detected it assumes it's your stylus. In some situations you may be able to scroll easily with your finger but not with your stylus, as using the stylus you would be selecting text instead, for example.
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Didn't know my fingers were that powerful
holdout said:
Biotouch enhances logics processing of touch input. It is because of this program that you can use the ultra-small high-res Windows Mobile default keyboard using your thumb on the very small square keys/buttons, and be able to accurately press the buttons you intend to press. (Anyway I prefer Spb Keyboard instead hehe).
Biotouch calculates equidistant midpoints between the perimeter edges of your finger touch, and incorporates touch pressures (with the center of your touch having the most pressure), in its algorithm for accuracy.
Try it yourself: use the keyboard with large keys/buttons on an iPhone 3G, and then use the default Windows Mobile on-screen QWERTY keyboard using your XPERIA which has even smaller keys/buttons. You will be surprised how much easier it is to press the intended buttons on your XPERIA than the iPhone with its capacitative touch screen.
Biotouch helps with other things too like enhancing touch-scrolling based on how much of the touch surface your finger stayed on the screen during a gesture, to decide what type of scroll to do.
Another thing it helps with is distinguishing finger touch from stylus touch. If one small high-pressure point is detected it assumes it's your stylus. In some situations you may be able to scroll easily with your finger but not with your stylus, as using the stylus you would be selecting text instead, for example.
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Make thes sticky somewhere
i was wondering... as a user of a vista tablet i see that the use of the onscreen vista input panel is very very convenient.
i give that ease of use to one perticular and simple feature making the button you pressed last stay lit until you press the next button and also (but far less improtant) the lack of space between the keys...
this "last word highlighting allows you to type without looking at text after each letter to verify that you indeed pressed the right letter or even pressed one at all, and greatly improves the input speed.. i manage to write on my tablet keyboard almost as fast as a hardware one...
so if anyone knows of a keyboard that does that or a registry key that can allow any of the existing keyboard out there to do this, i believe will make a great contribution to mankind... or at least the average virtual keyboard user...
I have a question on how to make this phone better... I've never used the iPhone really, other than to jailbreak it for my fiancee. Now that I have the Vibrant, I noticed ridiculously difficult it is to place your cursor in a particular spot. You can't use a stylus, there's no "magnifying glass" like the iPhone has, and there are no arrow buttons on the on-screen keyboard (as there was on my HTC Touch Pro 2). Basically, it'll take me 5-6 taps (or more) to get the cursor where I want it.
Is there any app or hack that can fix this?
If you are using samsung keyboard, then keep pressing the "123" button until more controls shows up, theres cursor control.
You can flash or wait for froyo release it comes with a cursor
Thanks to both of you. The 123 option is a PITA, but it's something. Good to know that Froyo is gonna have a cursor. Thank goodness....
Flapjack said:
Thanks to both of you. The 123 option is a PITA, but it's something. Good to know that Froyo is gonna have a cursor. Thank goodness....
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I couldn't the 123 option to work. When I press the 123 button, I get four pages of symbols... no directional cursor movements. What am I doing wrong?
If you are using the Swype keyboard, drag your finger from the Swype info button (bottom left corner) to the SYM key (next one to the right). Several cursor control options there, plus a few other handy items.
Also, if you didn't know, dragging from the Swype info button to the "F" key will switch the keyboard into a number keypad.
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I couldn't the 123 option to work. When I press the 123 button, I get four pages of symbols... no directional cursor movements. What am I doing wrong?
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You need to hold 123, not just click it.
BronzedDroid said:
You need to hold 123, not just click it.
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Awesome. Thanks for the help. It's exactly what I needed. Will hold me off until Froyo.
Alternativelly you can use the HTC_IME (which is the HTC keyboard) and set the volume buttons to work as up and down. Pretty handy when you want the cursor to skip a few characters. Though indeed the lack of cursor buttons always visible on the keyboard is kind of irritating especially if you come from an HTC.
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Alternativelly you can use the HTC_IME (which is the HTC keyboard) and set the volume buttons to work as up and down. Pretty handy when you want the cursor to skip a few characters. Though indeed the lack of cursor buttons always visible on the keyboard is kind of irritating especially if you come from an HTC.
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I actually went through the process of installing the HTC keyboard, which I loved on my Touch Pro 2. It was laggy as hell and basically unusable. I also did not notice any directional arrows.
I've been meaning to try that keyboard again, since I did the one-touch lag fix. I'll do that right now.
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I can't find the option to use the volume buttons to move the cursor. It's also nowhere near as fast as the Samsung keyboard. Not sure why, but I have to seriously slow down my typing to get it to recognize each key press individually. I was hoping it would be better once I did the lag fix. I guess it's a separate issue...
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I actually went through the process of installing the HTC keyboard, which I loved on my Touch Pro 2. It was laggy as hell and basically unusable. I also did not notice any directional arrows.
I've been meaning to try that keyboard again, since I did the one-touch lag fix. I'll do that right now.
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I can't find the option to use the volume buttons to move the cursor. It's also nowhere near as fast as the Samsung keyboard. Not sure why, but I have to seriously slow down my typing to get it to recognize each key press individually. I was hoping it would be better once I did the lag fix. I guess it's a separate issue...
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Hmmm I do not have any lag issues with the keyboard.
Have you tried Calibrating it? That option is in Settings (within the program, activated by long pressing the language toggle key)>Text Input>Calibration tool.
Unfortunatelly, indeed, there are no directional arrows in the layout.
The option to set the volume buttons is in Settings (again, within the keyboard itself)>User Interface>Volume Keys.
EDIT: I don't really have any opinion about the default samsung keyboard as it does not support my language (go figure lol) so I have never used it.