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Wifi over 3G

Hey,
I have a seemingly simple problem. I use POP email and I want to check for emails regularly but at home and work I can stay connected to a WiFi network.
I know with Skype I can set the program to use WiFi if available else 3G. Does anyone know if this can be done at a system level so for instance that email and any other apps needing a connection will follow this protocol, please?
Thanks.

Since i do not want to create a new thread (for 2 posts maximum) i will ask here: my phone shows that is connected with the wi-fi (usr9108 router--> access point) BUT when i am trying to sign in to msn, skype open a page in I.E nothing happens, it's like i am not connected to the net.

MetalMushroom said:
Hey,
I have a seemingly simple problem. I use POP email and I want to check for emails regularly but at home and work I can stay connected to a WiFi network.
I know with Skype I can set the program to use WiFi if available else 3G. Does anyone know if this can be done at a system level so for instance that email and any other apps needing a connection will follow this protocol, please?
Thanks.
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Most applications will use whatever connection is already on. In your case if you are connected via WiFi then your email will use that connection, if not then it will try to connect by the default GPRS/3G connection setting. I do this all the time.

Okay, yeah sorry.
To clarify I think what I really want is to let the device go into sleep mode and attempt to create a WiFi connection before it attempts to create a 3G data connection.
Other than that, purchasing a cradle and leaving the device in alert mode would be the way forward would it?
Is there a way for WiFi to remain on even if the device is in Sleep mode?
Thanks again.

MetalMushroom said:
Okay, yeah sorry.
To clarify I think what I really want is to let the device go into sleep mode and attempt to create a WiFi connection before it attempts to create a 3G data connection.
Other than that, purchasing a cradle and leaving the device in alert mode would be the way forward would it?
Is there a way for WiFi to remain on even if the device is in Sleep mode?
Thanks again.
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Oh I see you what you mean. Why not try this schedule an event to wake the device and so long as it was connected to a wireless AP when it went to sleep it will try to reconnect when it wakes then schedule another event after a suitable pause to allow it to find and connect to AP to sync email.
Alternatively try SKSchema or MortScript which are both macro tools to do the above.

Cheers Jazza. Not sure how to 'schedule' an event but I'll do some research into 'SKSchema or MortScript' to see how I can use them.
Thanks for your help.

Windows Live Services insist in using GPRS although WLAN is active

Hi,
i have a problem with the Live Services on my Xperia (Vodafone branding, Germany). Even if WLAN is active and I have no problems in going online with Opera or IE, Live Services (Messenger, Live Search etc.) still want to connect over GPRS.
I tried to set up a default internet profile, only using WLAN for every program in the network manager but Live Services don't care. They automatically activate data connection if it is set to off.
I read about a workaround for this issue in this forum (but for different devices), which said to cancel the GPRS connection as it tries to connect, while WLAN is active; but this workaround doesn't work. In this case I get an error message that the connection did not success.
The interesting issue is that most of the XPeria users obviously have the opposite problem, that they cannot open up a connection via GPRS for Live Services...
Has anybody a suggestion, about getting Live Services online via WLAN?
Thanks for any help..
tufi.
ROM-Version: 1.02.162.6
ROM-Date: 09/17/08
Radio: 1.06.25.29
Protocoll: 52.43.25.24U
Ext. : 1.0.45046.11179

.. i just figured out that, also windows update function wants to use GPRS, eventhough I'm connected to my wireless LAN..

I have the same ******* thing. Here how I work around it
1) terminate Messaging
2) close Data connection (gprs/edge)
3) start wifi
4) Start -> Programs -> Windows Live (shortcut)
5) Synchronize from Windows Live Panel

thanx for the rapid answer. I'll give it a try. But I'm pretty sure this will not work in my case; I think, I do follow these steps in general. Data connections are always off, and Messaging is only active if I really write an SMS.
The steps 3-5 are also the usual way when I try to connect with Live Messenger.
Nevertheless I will take care of them and try..

double postet the message

x-X-x said:
I have the same ******* thing. Here how I work around it
1) terminate Messaging
2) close Data connection (gprs/edge)
3) start wifi
4) Start -> Programs -> Windows Live (shortcut)
5) Synchronize from Windows Live Panel
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hi,
I just tried the workaround. But as I clicked synchronize from Windows Live Panel, this also turned GPRS on and tried to connect. Cancelling the GPRS connection led to an error message, which told me, I should make it sure, that data connection tarif is supported by my provider..

I keep getting this message despite turning on wifi, gprs... what should I do?
Windows Live was unable to establish an Internet Connection. Please check your Internet settings and make sure that you have access to data services under your billing plan. If you need help, please contact your mobile service provider.

the vodafone support hotline says, Messenger can only run in 3G mode. So the problem is officially a vodafone branding problem.
Does anybody know any chance to get rid of the built in programs without flashing the rom?

I got the same problem. And I used another ROM. Messenger can be available via WIFI.

@benny
which rom version did you use? did you flash it yourself?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=454305&highlight=vodafone+messenger
incase anyone hadnt found that.
works for me! (UK, Xperia & Vodafone branded)
good luck.

use the no data cab

HTC Weather using Wifi ???

Hi,
I did search the whole forum for answers but in vain. Whenever I access weather tab and update the info, it updates using 3G/HSDPA.
But, what I want is to update using wifi at home. Is there an option to make it use wifi instead of 3G/HSDPA?
Pls lemme know coz it wud help me save a few penny
TIA
SK

Well I did the following.
1) As I don't want any applications (in background or by request) to update via any Phone Network I deleted the internet setting.
Now I can connect via USB or Wifi and then download, both work.
If I do it when I am not connected then I get an error message (as I have no internet connection setup).
So this works for me but also means I have to remake a internet connection if and when I want to download of phone network.
I have no flat rate data plan so its my only choice, maybe others have a better idea.

really strange, mine uses wifi and if there is no wifi, it relies on gprs.

cx2k5 said:
really strange, mine uses wifi and if there is no wifi, it relies on gprs.
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Which is correct as far as I can see.
The issue here seems to be he does not want to download via gprs and I have yet to find an option that allows you to turn it off.
The choices are Download automatically
Download weather when roaming
What is missing is that stops you downloading via GPRS but allows you to download via WIFI and when connected.

Problem
cx2k5 said:
really strange, mine uses wifi and if there is no wifi, it relies on gprs.
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Thanks 2 all for ur reply
Actually the problem is:
I have router at home and my touch hd connects to wifi to update mails, etc.. But when I switch to weather and update, it somehow doesnt identify the wifi connection. Instead uses 3G for updating...is it happening only in my mobile?
And I guess nodata might just work...lemme chk that out ....Thanks a ton

Mine too used to use what it wanted, hspda as first choice. So i deleted the 3g configuration. From what i have read, it is a WM problem: no way to set 3G as secondary choice

bbonzz said:
Mine too used to use what it wanted, hspda as first choice. So i deleted the 3g configuration. From what i have read, it is a WM problem: no way to set 3G as secondary choice
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oh i c...pls tell me how u deleted the 3g config and then did that take wifi for updating after doing so???

sriramkrishnan06 said:
oh i c...pls tell me how u deleted the 3g config and then did that take wifi for updating after doing so???
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start->settings->connections->connections
here you see (don't know how exactely in english, since i have italian)
internet (???)
work
under internet, "modify"
enter there, and delete your 3G account.
Now back in connections, go advanced->select (net???) [the first button over composition rules]
Here select "work" for everything.
Now, without 3G, the phone connects to internet only if you have an active wifi, otherways doesn't connect.

Wouldnt it just be easier to use the HD tweak utility to disable internet access via 3G/GPRS/HSDPA? - just a thought guys, instead of deleting settings which may be required at a later time (i.e. when no WIFI is available)
My weather updates fine via WIFI,
My emails (using a hotmail account) keep trying to update via 3G though - I can't get it to do it via WIFI unless I use Windows Live to login then update emails

Would, but as you see there are problems (and i suspect hd tweak kills also mms's, since excludes all data connections). Instead, deleting the account, is easier. I can always reinstall it with the connection wizard.

try this: disable or delete your gprs connection, enable wifi and try to download weather data. if successful, then re-enable your gprs connection and see if it still prefers to use gprs or wifi at first place.

Use modaco NoData to make sure the 3g connection is never used.

Done
Thanx a ton for ur help...I used Nodata and my work was done...sweet and simple...
Thanx

I have a similar problem, just wanted to open a topic about it
Unfortunate, weather is not updating any more, no Wifi, no 3G.
I do not mind it using 3G, but it's not updatingf, nothing works.
I am not even sure how to delete the default 3g connections.
i will try .. i hope i will not have to hard reset the phone again

Ummm... u bought £500 phone and yet can't afford a 50kb 3G/GPRS bandwidth per month?!
Quite intriguing
@zoomee
To make email use WIFI and 3G as a fallback, in email account settings change connection to "The Internet" (it's probably set to your 3G Access point e.g. "T-mobile internet")

Maybe your settings are wrong. Does QuickGPS work? If it doesn't, then check your settings. With some access points of some operators, you can only browse internet pages but not use other apps requiring internet access.
@sriramkrishnan06: no problem

I am affording a 3g Connection and Bandwidth (if that was pointed at me).
I can not get any more weather data (
I deleted as explained here some of the previous set connections to my 3g provider and also rebuild one, and still nothind
throguth Wifi it seems not to work, but through 3g, not any more
it was working before, i had to hard reset it and now it does not work any more

I think it was pointed to sriramkrishnan06.
Anyway, have you checked whether QuickGPS works or not?

The Quick GPRS works form me, Weather still does not work
I am little upset since i know i am missing something small. I am not THE thech savvy guy, but i know my whay arroud computers, (i am a web developer) still, somehow i am not able to make the damn weather work, even tried one of the "hacks" witht e weather database editoer, to load the default server, it is still not working for me.
If anyone has an idea .. please ..

If Quick GPS works then I have no idea. Are you sure you didn't mess up anything using that tool?
In any case, hard resets almost always work. If you don't want to, you could do a full backup with Resco Backup or similar, hard reset, test the weather, then restore the backup.

Setup 8525 (Hermes 100) with no data plan

Here is what I'm Trying to do:
~Find a Wm6 or Wm6.1 that would allow me to setup and use the phone with out a data connection from A&TT, but would like to only use WIFI to access the Web, email & facebook...etc...etc
~What threads, rom, tricks, cabs or tweaks where used to achieve this... while still being able to use email & the web via WIFI only?
~I've tried several Roms all installed no problem except setting up email accounts and intermittent web access issues when the phone goes into standby.
~I've set up a Window live email account but have very inconsistent connections issues. (Mostly not working)
~Frequent connection errors...
Any suggestion, pointers would be great!

As far as i know the first port of call for wm phones is to try and connect via a data plan, it will only try via wifi if you have it switched on and connected, i havent found a way of getting it to automatically try to connect to wifi. So good luck in finding it , as i have been on here for years and still dont know how to do it.
I know its not exactly useful, but just letting you know, dont think its going to be easy

You can use NoData to prevent it from trying to use a data plan (2G, 3G, etc).
I don't have a data plan at all; this is what I do to force it to use only activesync passthrough or wifi:
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/

The No-data cab did not help.... Did nor notice any changes... Outlook continues to pop open every few minutes. Not sure what the cause is however the phone works fine when I connect it with WIFI. is there some reg-edit to stop the outlook pop up? Let me give some more info that may help...
Using:
~Window Live Hotmail client with in Pocket Outlook
~Do not have a data plan for the phone (AT&T 8525 Hermes)
~The Only way the phone connects to the web or email is via WIFI
All suggestions welcome....

jac said:
The No-data cab did not help.... Did nor notice any changes... Outlook continues to pop open every few minutes. Not sure what the cause is however the phone works fine when I connect it with WIFI. is there some reg-edit to stop the outlook pop up? Let me give some more info that may help...
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The nodata cab installs the nodata program - check your programs menu. Run the nodata program and you can toggle off your connections.

Email sync via 3G NOT wifi even though available

I have looked and looked, and cant seem to find a solution that works for me. I am with Telstra in Australia (why do Telstra like to make things so difficult??)
My problem is that my Outlook Email will only sync with exchange via 3G even though there is a working wifi connection availalable. I get heaps of mail so I am rapidly going through nearly 1G of data each month - even though I am on a good package this is not ideal!!
From my understanding of this thread ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611724&highlight=activesync+work+connection I updated the Broadcomm Network Adaptors to Internet (they were Work), and then deleted the proxy settings for the Telstra Internet connection.
BUT still my mail is updating over 3G and not wifi. I can access Internet etc over wifi though.
Interestingly, I can only update Bigpond mail over wifi and not 3G. Thats not a big deal as I get minimal mail to that account and I am happy to check it at home - its the Outlook email thats chewing up heaps of data that I worried about.
I hope that I cant be the only one with this problem so if anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it! (I know it will be one check box deep in the phone settings, I just dont know which one it is!)
Thanks

That's how it works. Push (Activesync connection) needs a direct connection between the server and device, so that the server can page the device when it's got something for it. This wouldn't work through wifi, because when you're on wifi you're behind a router, which doesn't allow connections from the outside to reach your device. So Activesync will always want to use the data connection.
One thing you can do is NOT to set activesync to receive new mail when it arrives, but only manually or at time intervals, it might work.
Or, simply set it to download only the first 5kB of each message, which is always enough to see what the mail is about , and you can always click "download whole message" for those you need. If you manage to use 1GB with 5kB messages, you're really spending your life on your email box

Thanks so much.
You would think that if Blackberry and Apple have managed to get their email to push over wifi that MS could get Direct Push to work over wifi too!! I've disabled MS Direct Push and changed Active Sync to check every 5 minutes. So, its not quite the same, but its near enough for me!
Thanks again ... I will stop searching for the solution now (and will reduce the download setting too ...)

Sarah, same exact problem here, it really annoyed me, then only way I could have used wifi to sync my outlook, Gmail, etc(which have the same issue) is to set the phone to Airplane mode and then enable wifi, only then it will sync via wifi.
Thank you Kilrah, that was a very spot on answer - it is very apreciated !
Cheers !