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I'm nearly at the end of my contract for my T-mobile vario II. It looks like my next phone will either be the X1 or the touch HD. I read a lot of ebooks and web pages so the bigger screen is going to be great.
I like the fact that the X1 has a slide out keyboard and dpad. These should help when writing emails or playing games. However the simpler package of the Touch HD does look very nice.
One thing that sucked about the vario II was the sluggish interface - from the few videos I have watched the HD seems a bit slicker than the X1 - am I right?
If possible I would like to install android on my next device - is this more likely to be possible on the HD?
So what are your views - which is better?
Mercedes or BMW.
Two similar but quite different animals.
Need the keyboard... X1
Need no keyboard .. T' HD
It's simply a choice only. Some point or other.. a HardSPL and cooking of roms will be well underway.. along with a vast choice of rom shape and size, along with inbuilts. The only thing that will not change is the Hardware shape. (guts are the same)
The Touch HD is not even out properly, and the HD manilla is already available and installable on the X1. the Sony panels will no doubt hit the Touch HD.
I have bought 2 X1's..along with an Omnia... Will get a HD also.. but this is because i'm a picky sod.. and have money to pee away.
Please don't tell my wife!.
Well the Touch HD is technically using HTC's "2nd" version of TouchFlo3D, after Diamond/TPro, so understandably they've put some effort into getting it to run more smoothly. SE's panels will debut on the X1 so it's probably buggy just like TouchFlo3D was when the Diamond first came out.
That said, XDA got even the stock Diamond interface running really well, so there's no reason they can't do it with the X1's panels. It's not a question of if but when.
I think if you're going to reading most of the time, the HD will be the better choice (bigger screen, and you dont "need" a hardware keyboard to read). But I must say if you do a fair amount of messaging, a real keyboard is second to none -- there's just no going back after you've used one (imo).
As for Android, only time will tell. My guess is yes for both, but it might not be fully functional for some time. There are just too many unknowns right now for there to be an easy answer.
harvsingh said:
Mercedes or BMW.
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For me the answer to that one was BMW!
harvsingh said:
I have bought 2 X1's..along with an Omnia... Will get a HD also.. but this is because i'm a picky sod.. and have money to pee away.
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If you are so flush with cash feel free to mail me one of the X1's!
fhseih - I do read a lot and the physical size of the screen on the touch hd would be very nice for that. However the actual resolution of the X1 is the same so it should be almost as good in that respect. As you say, once you get used to the keyboard you never go back. I have got used to having a keyboard on my vario II. I love the way that you can type without wasting screen space on a virtual keyboard.
Maybe what I really want is a Touch HD Pro - any rumors that we will see one of these soon?
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For me the answer to that one was BMW!
If you are so flush with cash feel free to mail me one of the X1's!
fhseih - I do read a lot and the physical size of the screen on the touch hd would be very nice for that. However the actual resolution of the X1 is the same so it should be almost as good in that respect. As you say, once you get used to the keyboard you never go back. I have got used to having a keyboard on my vario II. I love the way that you can type without wasting screen space on a virtual keyboard.
Maybe what I really want is a Touch HD Pro - any rumors that we will see one of these soon?
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Even though i have capital... and enough to buy a handset i want when i want it on the network i choose to be with.. i am certainly no charity.. so i'm sorry.. if the second x1 goes anywhere its back to supplier... and get a HD instead.
I think getting a Touch HD pro is pointless.. HD is such because its not bulky. Its slim and basically a screen with a send and end key.
Adding a keyboard to it = not a Touch HD Pro but a X1.
Lack of G-sensor on X1 is the thing i think when it comes to using different roms and software. Hardware apart from this and keyb is the same. (except screen size...res is the same)
I think... i will keep one x1 and get a HD...
that way.. i'm covered.
Really wish the DX900 Glofiish had been released... 2 sim cards... one phone with VGA/GPS/WIFI/Bluetooth/3G/HSDPA .. but as yet.. its just due... due .. and due....
who could want more?
The time has come to relegate my trusty Hermes to the nearest bin. This means - upgrade time.
Now, unlike some of you, I do not have the luxury of trying out both of these to make up my mind. So, I'd like to hear some thoughts on those of you who has had to give up their Touch Pro keyboards for the more clumsy Touch HD on-screen text input.
Getting the Touch HD is a no brainer in every way, except one. I can't imagine giving up my sliding keyboard. Yes, I'm currently leaning towards getting the Touch Pro.
Thoughts? rants & raves? and shuttefu%^&up about iphones please.
As an owner of both I say get the HD. I loved my Raphael so dont get me wrong. I do a decent amount of typing and the HD keyboard seems very responsive. If you are doing a ton of typing there is really no substitute for a hard keyboard but the HD isnt far off. Out of the box the HD runs much better than the raphael did but there are plenty of custom ROMs out there that solve this for the raphael so not really an issue. One plus abotu the raphael is that there are tons of customizations but youc an expet that from the HD cookers out there in the coming weeks.
Again, i say get the HD. Its hard ot beat the screen on it and typing is actually pretty easy. I like the power button and volume buttons more on the HD as well. you dont accidently press them the way you will on the raphael. The other buttons on the HD are really nice as well because they do not actually press like the raphael does. It gives a little vibrate when you press them which is a suprisingly great feature. Oh yeah, don forget about the 5mp camera. It takes wonderful pics as long as you are in decent light.
Lastly, everyone that has seen my HD is blown away. When they saw my raphael they mostly said "thats nice, a little too think for me but nice"
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As an owner of both I say get the HD. I loved my Raphael so dont get me wrong. I do a decent amount of typing and the HD keyboard seems very responsive. If you are doing a ton of typing there is really no substitute for a hard keyboard but the HD isnt far off. Out of the box the HD runs much better than the raphael did but there are plenty of custom ROMs out there that solve this for the raphael so not really an issue. One plus abotu the raphael is that there are tons of customizations but youc an expet that from the HD cookers out there in the coming weeks.
Again, i say get the HD. Its hard ot beat the screen on it and typing is actually pretty easy. I like the power button and volume buttons more on the HD as well. you dont accidently press them the way you will on the raphael. The other buttons on the HD are really nice as well because they do not actually press like the raphael does. It gives a little vibrate when you press them which is a suprisingly great feature. Oh yeah, don forget about the 5mp camera. It takes wonderful pics as long as you are in decent light.
Lastly, everyone that has seen my HD is blown away. When they saw my raphael they mostly said "thats nice, a little too think for me but nice"
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WOW the most usefull review of all
thx again, and when my back account allow it , I might buy HD
I've still have my Touch Pro. I opted to buy the Touch HD for one big reason...Screen size bigger than the iPhone on a WM device! I'm tired of dealing with the limited space of a 2.8" screen. I've always been a fan of hardware keyboards, but the Touch HD has a nice virtual keyboard and with a program like gyrator 2 or gsen you can rotate your HD into landscape and stretch out the virtual keyboard for more room.
Also the GPS performance is better on the Touch HD.....the Touch Pro and Diamonds performance is crappy..its lags way too much and takes longer to get a fix. Now the AT&T Fuze may have this solved, but unless you have AT&T and live in the US its not really an option.
I think for any one who has been lusting over the idea of having an iPhone, but would never give up Windows Mobile can now rest at ease.
Just my two cents.
I have also used both, and I can say , on any given day , I would take HD.
HD screen is the best thing and the keyboard is also very good on it.Once , the custom roms comes from the likes of senior people like Dutty , Panosha and others, I am sure the HD will fly like a rocket.
Go for HD. I sold my rapheal already.
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I've still have my Touch Pro. I opted to buy the Touch HD for one big reason...Screen size bigger than the iPhone on a WM device! I'm tired of dealing with the limited space of a 2.8" screen. I've always been a fan of hardware keyboards, but the Touch HD has a nice virtual keyboard and with a program like gyrator 2 or gsen you can rotate your HD into landscape and stretch out the virtual keyboard for more room.
Also the GPS performance is better on the Touch HD.....the Touch Pro and Diamonds performance is crappy..its lags way too much and takes longer to get a fix. Now the AT&T Fuze may have this solved, but unless you have AT&T and live in the US its not really an option.
I think for any one who has been lusting over the idea of having an iPhone, but would never give up Windows Mobile can now rest at ease.
Just my two cents.
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Now that you have the HD could you compare the GPS performance with Touch Pro?
Give us numbers.... How many seconds to get a fix and the GPS "lag".
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Now that you have the HD could you compare the GPS performance with Touch Pro?
Give us numbers.... How many seconds to get a fix and the GPS "lag".
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I'll report after testing this afternoon.
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I'll report after testing this afternoon.
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Thank you, all of us will be awaiting for it.
Best regards.
In the last 3 months, I have owned a Diamond, Raphael and an HD. The Diamond came first and was lovely to use but the screen was too small to type effectively. So I bought a Raphael - which i used for work but it was just too thick - it ruins the cut of a suit!
Then along came the HD. The screen is just beautiful. Crucially, it is also large enough to type effectively. Don't get me wrong, it is not as effective as typing on a keyboard (such as on the Raphael) but unless you're doing a lot of typing, that doesn't matter. I still do a reasonable amount of email and the screen keyboard on the HD is large enough to cope.
The HD also runs more responsively than the Diamond or Raph. It doesn't suffer the Raph's GPS lag (I never had lag on the Diamond). And did I mention that screen???!!!
Disappointments with the HD? Not many yet. The camera is unquestionably way too slow and nowhere near as good as, eg, the N95 (which my wife has). The lack of D-Pad takes a bit of getting used to but all it really means is getting used to a different way of working as we're all so used to the DPad. I haven't yet found any software where it causes a major problem.
My final answer? Both my Raph and my Diamond are on ebay right now.
dito
yeah, my tilt and fuze have both sold on Ebay, I like my Touch HD. I am looking forward to using a different onscreen keyboard than the one provided in the stock ROM. I don't like that they wasted space by putting directional buttons on the right hand side. There is one available on a particular ROM downloaded from this site, but i suspect there will be more WVGA keyboards. I used to have a 6600 which had like a 3" screen or something, a wee bit larger than the tilt and that was a really nice phone actually, it just lacked the new juicier hardware. The Touch HD really brings out the sexy in HTC. No overweight short, fat, ugly phone, its tall and sleek and slim and sexy, lol! Just another thought: The Touch Pro can be had for about $500 without a contract and even FREE with a contract if you pull the right strings! However, the Touch HD is nearly $800 and there is no ifs ands or buts about it. You gotta pay for the best and its not really supported by AT&T or the retailers that sell it here in the US and is only barely supported by HTC in US. And, the insurance companies dont know much about it. All this makes for a riskier investment especially considering that some peoples HD vibrate breaks and they have to send it back . (moment of silence please). Yeah its a little scary for me right now. I think I might have it under control! If I were you and I had wee bit of money, I would go for the HD, its what the really cool people have, lol
Just a few thoughts,
Levi
I had a very cherished Tytn II (kaiser) before the recent HD.
I was really excited about the huge screen and higher resolution but the lack of a hard keyboard really put me off. Another huge aspect that put me off was the fract that straight out of the box you cant rotate to landscape mode. I've had my tytn ii in landscape mode permenantly for ever a year now and thats how I like it. The optical layout is very similar to wide screen TVs and monitors. Any how, I found a way to keep it in landscapde mode (look for my thread called landscape view +solved+.
I tried typing in full qwerty and compact qwerty mode in portrait screen but it just wasnt the same (or even close) to a large keyboard. So I resorted to trying to type in landscapde mode using full qwerty and it was just as good as the tytn ii keyboard. Snailslug's wonderful app called touch response made it even better. His app added little vibration feedback (haptic I believe is the term) to touching the screen. So using the virtual keyboard is much more predictable if you can imagine.
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The time has come to relegate my trusty Hermes to the nearest bin. This means - upgrade time.
Now, unlike some of you, I do not have the luxury of trying out both of these to make up my mind. So, I'd like to hear some thoughts on those of you who has had to give up their Touch Pro keyboards for the more clumsy Touch HD on-screen text input.
Getting the Touch HD is a no brainer in every way, except one. I can't imagine giving up my sliding keyboard. Yes, I'm currently leaning towards getting the Touch Pro.
Thoughts? rants & raves? and shuttefu%^&up about iphones please.
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I have tested both and I can say, being a Universal Super keyboard user, that HD is almost perfect but the lack of physical keyboard stop me to buy it, a Physical Kb will never be beaten for any fantastic on screen virtual Kb.
So if I had to decide for any of those being the only options I would choose Touch Pro because the Kb, even with that fantastic super screen of the HD.
Or dreaming a little bit I would wait for the upcoming HD touch Pro....
Iphone? Never in my life!!
I've had both on hand: Touch PRO and HD. And now i am really satisfied with HD compared to what I've been with Raphael. I've been considered so much before change from Raph to HD. I'd been with Raph for a month and swapped with many ROMs and radios (only Raphael radio) before making a decision to switch to HD... Beyond all of Raphael's pros is its crappy BATTERY LIFE
It only lasts for a day with full charge on my usage (compared to the same usage with HD). The GPS is so bad, could not fix as fast as my Polaris.
I have to say I'm really disappointed with Raph as I thought it could be another king replaced for the Kaiser...
Go to HD then you will have no regret and waste !
as a TyTN owner.. i thought of getting a raphael.. but looking at them.. they dont have many differences.. ok the vga screen.. the looks etc.. overall though its the exact same device pumped up..
besides.. im a more of a techie gadget guy.. the raphael doesnt come close to the HD from my point of view.. the raphael is a more bussiness man type of device rather the HD is the more
show off device.. get the HD you wont regret it!
cheers!
I too have upgraded from a Kaiser to the Touch HD.
Bit of a no-brainer for me as I found I hardly ever used the slide-out keyboard on the Kaiser. The basic WM keyboard has always been a fast method of entering text for me, particularly with the help of predicitve text and gesture recognition.
Spb Keyboard is meeting my needs for basic text entry on the HD. If I need to do a serious amount of text entry the stylus comes out and I use the standard WM keyboard again. With practise I think this is a pretty fast and accurate way of entering text.
Just in case it hasn't sunk in (!), the screen on the HD is FANTASTIC! Web browsing is excellent. The extra screen space and resolution is also fantastic in Pocket Informant agenda view. And mobile shell is great on the bigger screen.
As someone's said above, lack of D-pad is an issue to start with but only because you have to re-learn how to use your favourite programmes. After a while it's fine.
Setting up haptic feedback is a good thing.
I'm really looking forward to seeing what WinMo developers will do next year to tweak their software for the HD. It's good at the moment but could be more finger-friendly in places. Eg I know the next version of Pocket Informant will be more finger-friendly. Hopefully other developers will head in this direction too.
What about US 3G on ATT...
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...its not really supported by AT&T or the retailers that sell it here in the US and is only barely supported by HTC in US....
Just a few thoughts,
Levi
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According to the service manual (http://mikechannon.net/PDF%20Manuals/HTC_Blackstone_Service_Manual.pdf) the US ATT 850 and 1900 HSDPA/UMTS bands are supported.
The original specs showed no support for these bands -- but now????
Are you getting 3G speeds in the US???
hi all, im relativly new to all this having had an n95 for the last year or so.
I have the choice of the samsung omnia white 8gb or the htc touch hd. With the omnia ill be on a 12 month contract, with the hd an 18.
Anywya, its driving me insane trying to decide, so id appreciate any advice you could offer.
the way im looking at it at th emoment, i like the fact that the omnia has a flash, built in memory and seems to be faster (reading on here there seems to be a driver issue with the hd).
The worrys i have about the hd are the driver situation(reading on here people seem to have delay issues with tomtom and i use gps quite alot, and weather without the device will be powerfull enough to run heavier apps and the lack of a flash and inbuilt memory.
However, what i love about the hd are the community you guys have. Looking at the forum (i may be totally wrong) but itlooks like you guys are not far away from getting android working on it, which would be cool as. Also, i like the way you can use the features from the other phones such as touchwiz and the xperia squares thingy.
Anywya, i dont know much atall having used symbian for the last 6 years or so , so please give me your honest advice.
Everyone looks at their phones differently.
It is decision that others can't make for you.
Evaluated the facts and make a choice.
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Everyone looks at their phones differently.
It is decision that others can't make for you.
Evaluated the facts and make a choice.
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Couldn't have put it better!!
Only you know what you are looking for in a phone. Look at both specs, read up on both of them and evaluate which one is best for you.
Both have pros & cons, but you are right, xda developers is an awesome community to be part of and the tweaking & roms available are of great use!!
Is there likley to be any resolution to the driver situation. Im hoping that with the release of the magic mabey we will also have android running perfectly on the touch hd.
But then if i go for the omnia, its only 12 months i have to stay and i get the flash camera.
The omnia techinically looks just as powerfull as the hd touch, but with a lesser community of devs.
Grrr, descisions descisions!
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Is there likley to be any resolution to the driver situation. Im hoping that with the release of the magic mabey we will also have android running perfectly on the touch hd.
But then if i go for the omnia, its only 12 months i have to stay and i get the flash camera.
The omnia techinically looks just as powerfull as the hd touch, but with a lesser community of devs.
Grrr, descisions descisions!
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Camera on the Omnia is superior to the HD's, but I don't really use the camera function as I have a 10MP camera anyhow. I stated before, it all depends on your usage. If your looking for an Android phone, there is other options out there as Android on the HD appears to still be a long way off!
thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?
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thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?
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What you could do, which is a bit risky, is trial them both, i.e. get the HD and try it out for a couple days then return it saying you aren't happy, then get the Omnia and do the same thing. If you prefer the Omnia, just keep it etc
I had an Omnia for a few days and returned it as soon as possible for a Touch Pro (now have HD).
Omnia was rubbish, screen is poor, especially in sun light. The Op/sys was extremely unreliable - they've probably fixed this by now. There is no stylus except on a string and the interface is just a simple overlay on top of windows (bit like TF3D) so you need a stylus. Sound was excellent, camera was OK but I'm not a big photo maker with PDA.
The sensitivity of the Omnia acceleration detector is either too sensitive or not enough, I was not able to get it right. The touch screen sensitivity is poor - it needs a hard tap to make things happen.
What else? memory was not so big as on HD, screen resolution is not as good as HD, HD is just way way better.
BUT, it's a personal choice. However, I would highly recommend waiting for the new Omnia now and not buying the old one.
how do you find theHD though? In videos i have seen it seems to stutter alot and lag.
mmm
I got the touch HD , as I fell in love with the Orginal Touch .. I use PC's alott and starsted getting thumb strain with Nokia phone .. so went to the Touch .. loved this .. then went to the HD ... bigger screen etc.. I love it .. what It cant do .. is not worth it ..
i had the same dilema myself and i ended with the HD
if you want a brilliant display, cool factor and xda community go with the HD
if you want a decent camera, snappy interface, huge memory and avi movies with no conversion go with omnia
all other things are more or less the same and more or less acceptable
good luck!
thanks alot guys
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thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?
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I got the HD, my wife the omnia.
The HD has a much, much!, better screen. I don't see much difference between the camera's (except for the flash I suppose, but I don't think she ever used it).
As for GPS:
We tried it, driving with both telephones running Garmin software.
I didn't see any difference, the voice directions came mostly simultanious or at most within tenth of seconds from each other and to be honest, I have no idea if the omnia or the HD was the echo
No way I would ever want to swap my HD for her omnia
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I got the HD, my wife the omnia.
The HD has a much, much!, better screen. I don't see much difference between the camera's (except for the flash I suppose, but I don't think she ever used it).
As for GPS:
We tried it, driving with both telephones running Garmin software.
I didn't see any difference, the voice directions came mostly simultanious or at most within tenth of seconds from each other and to be honest, I have no idea if the omnia or the HD was the echo
No way I would ever want to swap my HD for her omnia
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what about playing movies. It seems the touch hd with the lack of hardware drives is sluggish in comparrison
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how do you find theHD though? In videos i have seen it seems to stutter alot and lag.
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I don't use videos much but I do use the youtube application and it's fine, I never get a stutter.
It probably depends on the coding/format being used.
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I don't use videos much but I do use the youtube application and it's fine, I never get a stutter.
It probably depends on the coding/format being used.
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Agreed, don't use videos, but I do find it annoying that when playing music you get an occasional stutter/blip with no apparent fix yet!!
How do you find the data charges when using youtube a lot?
cheers guys, orderd the omnia now in white.
thanks
Someone found the right thing to do with an omnia:
http://www.wmexperts.com/torture-phone-heaven-blogger
As to data charges for YouTube, I use this over wifi and not GPRS so I use it for free!
I get no noticeable GPS lag in either TomTom or Google Maps.
I'm a bit anoyed with the slowness of Touch HD so am considering moving to Hero or iPhone.
iPhone seems to be very quick, but I don't really like Apple's lock-it-down concept, so if UI speed on Hero is comparable to iPhone, I'd rather go that way.
Any input on this?
Hero all the way, more options as such.. however there are some bugs with flash otherwise go for it... i wud still stay with the HD, bigger screen/better reso, everytin else is the same as the hero, cept the digital compass - if u have gps, its rather useless.
hope i helped.
I would prob view the options in person rather then
judging from youtube clips and the likes
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I'm a bit anoyed with the slowness of Touch HD so am considering moving to Hero or iPhone.
iPhone seems to be very quick, but I don't really like Apple's lock-it-down concept, so if UI speed on Hero is comparable to iPhone, I'd rather go that way.
Any input on this?
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iPhone 3gs can be jailbroken now...if you want to go down that route
I can't understand what everybody means with "the Touch HD interface is so slow"
How could it be much faster? Or is there such a big gap between Touch HD and iPhone in UI speed?
Maybe I can try an iPhone myself in the next days to look for big differences, but atm i can't imagine, that it would be so much faster.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if an App has to load a certain amount into the memory, there MUST be a small lag before the program opens.
And I think the Touch HD handles Apps and especially its TouchFLO interface very well and fast. So I have no need to even compare to iPhone or something similar because I'm happy
Well UI on Touch HD is slow(-er than iphone 3gs)! Did you not expirience the lag between your action and reaction, when you e.g. move between the tabs, or when you answer the call (veeery annoying), when your going through the contacts, etc?
Iphone seems to do all these things with no noticable dealy.
Also browsing on iPhone is much better (read: faster & better screen rendering and navigation) even though screen resolution is lower.
I guess I'll have to wait for Hero to get into the shops and test in person...
Whats your memory usage like while you are having slow responses from the touch? I don't use TouchFlo and my HD is very fast apart from some of the larger apps like tom tom they all open straight away.
Maybe its because I don't got a direct comparison myself.
But for me, there is no disturbing lag which would me force to buy the iPhone
Like I said, hopefully I can test it myself and compare.
I will give instant feedback after that.
I think iPhone is not exactly faster, but it's much more smooth, it needs slightest touch/multi-touch to response, whereas for HTC Touch HD we have to use more force.
You should try iPhone and you'll get what I mean .
I dont know about hero but iphone resolution is HVGA 480x320 which is lower than a VGA 480x640. if your used to HD screen resolution 480x800 then you will find HVGA pixelated. I would never buy a phone with screen resolution lower than VGA no matter how fast the UI. Remember iphone os is not the same as wm which loads a lot of things on startup due to its multi-tasking capability. try turning off touchflo that would make your HD a lot faster. Keep your HD which is superior to iphone 3Gs
I suggest you try the cooked ROMs if you haven't. They can be very fast and stable. Personally, I have used both iPhone and I have Touch HD with Dutty's WM 6.5 Muchos R4 Rom, I would never think of switching to an iPhone. My Touch HD is very responsive and Fast even with TF3D enabled.
I'm going to wait for another htc phone based on android sense but with a new procesor
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I suggest you try the cooked ROMs if you haven't. They can be very fast and stable. Personally, I have used both iPhone and I have Touch HD with Dutty's WM 6.5 Muchos R4 Rom, I would never think of switching to an iPhone. My Touch HD is very responsive and Fast even with TF3D enabled.
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Totally agree. I use HD and Iphone and thanks to Dutty's WM6.5 R4 I like HD much more!
"I think iPhone is not exactly faster, but it's much more smooth, it needs slightest touch/multi-touch to response, whereas for HTC Touch HD we have to use more force."
sounds more like a capative vs. restience touch screen hardware difference
some of the andriod devices like capative touch screens too
I've had me HD for about a month now.
Sure it's slow with some things. (not much though)
But, I'm sure the iphone has it's issues also?
The touch can be adjusted to suit, many things can be adjusted. And there are many apps to load and custom HD to your liking.
I did find, having about 9 apps runnig, started to show a little more 'slowness' than norm, but compared with my old S730, it flies along
I spent ages deciding between the HD and new iphone.
I'm plenty happy to get the HD, not wishing I got the iphone.
I haven't seen Hero yet in person but would suggest to wait for the new processors they'll be ready in a month or two and your HD is going to "survive" till then.Personally i won't change it for awhile I like tweaking it and it now has a "soul" it's like a pet compared to the iphone which is like a "tool" .
i would wait until senseUI comes out and able to be put on your HD and see what you think
The smoothness of the iPhone is because of the coding. If you want to see the same degree of smooth scrolling then install PhoneEx for your WinMo and you will see what i mean.
Everything you do is similar to the iPhone smoothness.
WinMo is easily capable but it needs competent programmers, like the creators of PhoneEx to make it decent.
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Well UI on Touch HD is slow(-er than iphone 3gs)! Did you not expirience the lag between your action and reaction, when you e.g. move between the tabs, or when you answer the call (veeery annoying), when your going through the contacts, etc?
Iphone seems to do all these things with no noticable dealy.
Also browsing on iPhone is much better (read: faster & better screen rendering and navigation) even though screen resolution is lower.
I guess I'll have to wait for Hero to get into the shops and test in person...
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have you tried using teh cooked ROMS in the forums? or perhaps using HD Tweak! then you'll notice how really fast the blackstone is!
Rudegar said:
"I think iPhone is not exactly faster, but it's much more smooth, it needs slightest touch/multi-touch to response, whereas for HTC Touch HD we have to use more force."
sounds more like a capative vs. restience touch screen hardware difference
some of the andriod devices like capative touch screens too
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As mentioned before, install the phone extention program PhoneEx and you will see how wrong that is.
I am currently using a T-Mobile TP2. I'm considering upgrading to the HD2.
Anyone out there who has had the TP2 and upgraded, can you provide me with your opinion?
I'd say do it. I had the Touch Pro originally, loved it. Got the Touch Pro2, brilliant. Upgraded to the HD2, AWESOME. It's definitely worth doing but you REALLY REALLY will miss the keyboard and the tilt. The speed is ridiculously better, screen quality is way better. The capacitive screen will take a bit of getting used to but once you have had it for a couple of weeks you'll feel right at home.
Although I cannot stress enough how much you'll miss the keyboard.
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I'd say do it. I had the Touch Pro originally, loved it. Got the Touch Pro2, brilliant. Upgraded to the HD2, AWESOME. It's definitely worth doing but you REALLY REALLY will miss the keyboard and the tilt. The speed is ridiculously better, screen quality is way better. The capacitive screen will take a bit of getting used to but once you have had it for a couple of weeks you'll feel right at home.
Although I cannot stress enough how much you'll miss the keyboard.
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I'm not sure - the HD2 doesn't have a stylus, correct? I'm not sure I can live with that... LOL.
EDIT: Plus, I have to talk the wife into allowing me to spend the $$.
stevedebi said:
I'm not sure - the HD2 doesn't have a stylus, correct? I'm not sure I can live with that... LOL.
EDIT: Plus, I have to talk the wife into allowing me to spend the $$.
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i don't miss the stylus.. screen is big enough that its easy to type and pinch to zoom is useful... question is do you use the keyboard?
crispy514 said:
i don't miss the stylus.. screen is big enough that its easy to type and pinch to zoom is useful... question is do you use the keyboard?
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Actually, I use the keyboard only to select text. There seems to be no easy way to select text on the HD2 soft keyboard. Otherwise I actually generally use the soft keyboard.
Can you cut and paste from one document to another on the HD2, for example?
if you text a lot or use speaker phone tp2 rules, otherwise hd2 is better in every way. typing on hd2 jittery screen is a pain.
i've been using my HD2 for the past 3 weeks, coming from a kaiser (tytn2). and i can't stress enough how much i miss the hardware keyboard!
i have briefly used excel on the kaiser and i had to recently use excel on the HD2...with the kaiser's hardware keyboard that doesn't take up any screen space and hardware D-Pad, even the smaller QVGA kaiser screen was enough to give a pleasant user experience. but with the HD2, its...just...not...the...same!!! screen is big, but onscreen keyboard in portrait is not nearly as easy to use as a hardware keyboard. and the landscape keyboard is much easier to use but leaves little room for much else on the screen, especially in programs like excel.
still, the HD2 is an incredible device and i'd highly recommend it!
ASCIIker said:
i've been using my HD2 for the past 3 weeks, coming from a kaiser (tytn2). and i can't stress enough how much i miss the hardware keyboard!
i have briefly used excel on the kaiser and i had to recently use excel on the HD2...with the kaiser's hardware keyboard that doesn't take up any screen space and hardware D-Pad, even the smaller QVGA kaiser screen was enough to give a pleasant user experience. but with the HD2, its...just...not...the...same!!! screen is big, but onscreen keyboard in portrait is not nearly as easy to use as a hardware keyboard. and the landscape keyboard is much easier to use but leaves little room for much else on the screen, especially in programs like excel.
still, the HD2 is an incredible device and i'd highly recommend it!
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Have you tried the SPB Keyboard?
I went from a TP to the HD2, and I too really miss the hardware keyboard. As has been mentioned, the on screen keyboard takes up a lot of space and leaves almost exactly 2.8" free above it. On the plus side it is so much smoother and faster : ) Watching films or tv shows is a pleasure (indoors). The capacitive screen does take some getting used to, but several months into ownership i really like it.Unless the rumours about an HD2 with a keyboard are true, i'd say go for it....
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I went from a TP to the HD2, and I too really miss the hardware keyboard. As has been mentioned, the on screen keyboard takes up a lot of space and leaves almost exactly 2.8" free above it. On the plus side it is so much smoother and faster : ) Watching films or tv shows is a pleasure (indoors). The capacitive screen does take some getting used to, but several months into ownership i really like it.Unless the rumours about an HD2 with a keyboard are true, i'd say go for it....
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What about cutting and pasting in, say, a Word document, for example? I can't select text on my TP2 without using the hardware keyboard (Hold "Shift" key and use arrows).
Can you easily select text on the HD2?
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What about cutting and pasting in, say, a Word document, for example? I can't select text on my TP2 without using the hardware keyboard (Hold "Shift" key and use arrows).
Can you easily select text on the HD2?
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Ì say go for Touch HD. The screen is very responsive, I can easily copy and paste.
However I am experiencing some 3G network problems which might be hardware related, I've read more people with this problem. But there are a lot of users without these problems so probably a poor production batch or something, That is what warranty is for And I could also recommend a custom rom
Beside the solvable networkproblem, in my opinion Touch HD is a great phone.
TP2 to HD2 - Pros & Cons
First - full disclosure, I'm on AT&T so I went from the Tilt 2 to an Australian Telus HD2 - flashed it for the latest Official HTC ROM. I understand you are on T-Mobile, which uses slightly different devices, so your milage may vary
The TP2/Tilt 2 was a great machine for typing lots of involved messages and emails. However, the hardware was still struggling to keep up with things, and it would frequently freeze or crash if I was muti-tasking or typing an email when a call came in. And don't get me started on how wonky it was if there was an Notification that hadn't been delt with. In other words, it was deficient in the same way that all WinMo phones seem to have been- namely the hardware wasn't able to adequately support the processor cycle/memory hungry OS. And the much-lauded graphics were frequently laggy or even frozen too.
To be fair, there was much less of this than any of my previous WinMo devices (I go back to the days of the MPX-200 so that's a lot of them), but fundamentally, after the Carriers steal all the memory for their Crapware, it was still not quite there - often in a disappointing or even dysfunctional way. I use my phone a lot for my business, and it's not funny when you miss several calls in a row due to phone freezes, re-boots and or lags due to Notifications. On the other hand, the Keyboard was fabulous!
The HD2 is a completely different experience. The processor, available memory and memory bus are almost as fast as the OS can handle. Freezes, lags and delays are almost (not quite) non-existant. It will still occasionally slow down if several Notifications remain un-acknowleged, but now this is a rarety, not a daily issue. It multi-tasks almost seamlessly and yes, I find it easy to cut and paste. The graphics capabilities are excellent, you can brows at high speed and not see the annoying Opera checkerboard for hours!
In terms of reliability, going from the TP2 to the HD2 has been kind of like going from W95 to XP. Finally you can actually count on being able to do everything the manufacturer said you could do, with minimal freezing and crashing. After 7 odd years of WinMo it is finally an almost seamlessly pleasant experience.
I'm still missing the keyboard when I type, but overall if I had to choose I'd say the HD2 wins hands down. The annoyingly less efficient keyboard still takes far less time and energy to deal with than the other performance issues of the Tilt 2. Add to that it's a LOT easier to see things on the bigger screen, it runs programs MUCH Faster and MUCH more reliably, and there's no doublt which I prefer. I still have my Tilt 2, but I will probably be porting Android onto it just for fun.
In the meantime, I'm still increasing my typing accuracy and checking out alternative keyboards, so the HD2 is closing in on the Tilt 2's better typing experience.
If typing information is almost all you do, then I'd keep the TP2 assuming you aren't going nuts with the it freezing up or lagging.
If you make good use of your phone for other things - browsing, games, music etc, then I'd say - go for the HD2 - you will wonder where this gem has been!
MadSci
There are several cabs to improve the accuracy on tapping the onscreen keyboard.
No keyboard is not a deal-breaker.
I got used to it very fast and never been a crybaby over 'missing the keyboard'
Unless, using MadSci's term, you'd rather pamper yourself with Win95.
Thanks for all the replies
I think I will go for the HD2, but it turns out it will be some months before I qualify for the lower pricing on T-Mobile.
Thanks to all who gave their opinion. I'm sold on the HD2!
I love my HD2 the only drawback from going to the tp2 to the hd2 is they ease of typing, it took me a while as well but with the help of swype i can type just as fast if not faster. but the processor the response is amazing the camera is much better and i love the addition of a flash. i know you already made up your mind and you are better off going on Craigslist and buying one in case you dont have a data plan because you will not a discount from t-mobile with out adding an unlimited data plan. Good Luck!
Finally Got One
Well, I finally got my TP2. I must say that is is vastly superior to the Rhodium. I don't miss the hardware keyboard all that much.
The only drawbacks so far:
The small battery and large screen make for a somewhat shorter time between recharge.
The device is so large that I generally find myself using two hands to operate it; the TP2, because it was narrower, could be done with a single hand.
Not that I'm complaining...