is it just me or is the RAM management (where WM closes idle apps to free up RAM) a lot touchier in the new rom than before? it seems like i just minimize opera to check my email and within 20 seconds its been closed, i cant even run IM+ in the background like i used to because it gets closed
is there any way to turn this off? or at least exclude some programs or lower the threshold? its really annoying
instead of pushing the "x" button on the touch screen, i would just push the hardware "ok" button and it minimizes just fine for a long time. im using dcd's rom btw
nope, still kills it within a minute, maybe i shoudl just stop running it at 13mb of ram free
im actually having the same problem with DCDs rom. i run wisbar desktop and it will shut off after 10 minutes. its very very annoying.
well i was runnign DCD 2.3.2 and it was fine, now im on 3.0.0 (built from kitchen) and its doing it again
any ideas?
That is strange indeed. We all know how bad windows is with RAM (not excluding vista/xp/mobile, etc). I was running wisbar advance to give me the "linux" look/feel, but i found that i would have to soft reset every day to keep the ram up. I used SKtools FreeUpRam to keep me going throughout the day, but it'd still be pretty low most of the time.
I stopped using wisbar and i have better ram management, but still not very good (though much better than WM6.0). I have HTC Home, metrix, and an rss, feeder, s2u2, narglz iphone dialpad running and my ram is at 15 MB. I did my last soft reset over 24 hours ago. So, 6.1 does have ****ty RAM management, but running the same thing on 6.0 i HAD to softreset usually every several hours (and that would be without the rss feeder running).
So while this post isn't necessarily helping, it's just a "this is my experience". After I flash to newest ROM (probably some point tonight), I'm going to run some tests as far as memory management is concerned. If I find anything, I"ll post it up, if i dont, then i dont.
On a side note, i switched to the simply everything plan, unlimted everything woot!
i havent had much issues with memory leaks/losing ram, whats annoying me is how fast windows closes programs that are minimized
2 experiences i just had recently, in opera mobile, browsing a website, i get an email, switch to messenger to read it, then switch back to opera, couldnt have been more than 20 seconds but windows killed opera in that time
just now before typing this, had IM+ open, was sending an IM to my buddy and i accidently hit the phone send button (which birngs up the phone) i close out (literally 3-4 seconds) and windows had killed IM+
now opera i can understand, it uses 6-7mb ram (i have 20 free on boot) but IM+ only uses like 700k, why cant windows just leave the little guy alone?
another thing i noticed is that it seems fine with leaving apps running, until i try to run something else, so IM+ stays in the background until S2U2 loads, then it kills IM+
Just a guess here as I can't flash roms until the weekend (I need the phone)
But Sprint included HTC_Task Manager and maybe it has been updated to shut down programs after a certain time limit.
Has anyone checked the HTC Task Manager settings to see if there is an option on timeout and closing?
well im guessing there is some sort of learning feature to the ram management, as IM+ and resco explorer (another app i use frequently) no longer get killed no matter how long they run or what other apps i run with those 2 in the background
so kudos to windows mobile
have you tried going to settings>system>task manager>button> and made sure you dont have "Enable the X button to end running programs" checked??
gah, i spoke too soon, its doing it again, its gotten worse in fact, WM has taken to closing IM+ when its the active window
That sounds like a problem with IM+ I was having earlier, it turned out to be a corrupted file in the install, doing a hard reset of the phone and reinstalling IM+ fixed it, but that obviously wouldn't fix your RAM troubles, but it might not be windows closing IM+.
Just out of curiosity, how do you get IM+ to eat so little ram for you? it's generally 1.3mb-4mb, which is fairly ludicrous (helps if I keep closing my extended conversations)
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That sounds like a problem with IM+ I was having earlier, it turned out to be a corrupted file in the install, doing a hard reset of the phone and reinstalling IM+ fixed it, but that obviously wouldn't fix your RAM troubles, but it might not be windows closing IM+.
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well as the title said i was having this issue on the leaked 3.16 rom (using IM+ 3.53) and now im having it with DCD 3.0.0 using IM+ 3.53, then updating to 3.55, so at least part of it is windows
i have noticed since upgrading to 3.55 though that it is very slow accessing anything else with IM+ running (like its spiking the CPU or something) so maybe this is an IM+ problem too
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Just out of curiosity, how do you get IM+ to eat so little ram for you? it's generally 1.3mb-4mb, which is fairly ludicrous (helps if I keep closing my extended conversations)
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probably because i just have AIM and gTalk connected, and usually only have 1 or 2 convos open
sorry to bump this thread (again) but i think i may have some useful info on why this seems to happen sporatically
currently im using a custom rom built in DCDs 3.0.1 kitchen and what ive found is that if i load a bunch of programs immediately after a soft reset (eat up a bunch of ram) then those (and other) programs will stay open until i close them manually
if i let it sit with nothing running then it will only let me have one program open at a time
my conclusion is that in the minute or so following boot it establishes a "baseline" for how much ram it wants to keep open, and closes programs when it gets below that, having programs open seems to force that baseline lower, thus allowing you have more apps in the background, ive been opeing skype and opera mobile to eat up about 10mb
im not sure if this is windows mobile standard behavior or if its the result of some other app i have installed (SPB pocketplus is the most likely suspect) i might make a backup and hard reset to tonight to see what happens with nothing else installed
I notice that a lot of ROMS come with Opera Mobile, but for some reason, I am continually receiving an out of memory error or sluggish performance with this app. Is this to be expected? This is even true on some of the LITE ROMS I've tried. I'm pretty much forced to use Opera Mini with its drawbacks (which I don't really mind), but I was curious if this was my issue or something else.
i am guessing that you receive the out of memory error once you have installed your own apps, so maybe something else is causing the memory issue. Have you tried on a fresh install with nothing installed? Have you got the latest opera installed?
yes it is pretty common...or at least was, I stopped using it awhile ago because of it. Is it still Beta?
Personally I really like Skyfire for a browser.
It is very common in Hermes devices because we have so relatively little RAM available. I have overcome the problem by invoking Opera (15233) from a mortscript that disables the Today plugins, kill activesync, etc. before launching the program and restarts everything when I exit the program. It takes longer to start the program, but it works fine for using the Opera browser.
It's too bad
It's too bad no one has set-up a micro sd chip to run as a ramdrive for programs like Opera 9.5 and such. The memory possibilities would be endless.
Hello, this is my first post on this forum. I've been having some problems with my elf lately.
I have an Elf with onyx 4.3.3 ultimate version. I have M2D disabled and running SPB MS 3.0. Sometimes, when i open an app, like opera mini, or just messaging app, tasks all, actually any app, that app sometimes minimizes itself, and i can open it again from the task manager, or sometimes it closes, there is no trace of it in task manager, but the memory consumption shows, that it's "still running". Anybody experienced any simmilar problems? I was considering flashing my elf with Onyx mini edition (beacuse i dont use m2d). Any suggestions?
Flashed with onyx wm6.5 rom. So far no similar problems.
HD2 has lots of memory right.. so why is that im getting this messages when either i try sending a MMS or if i want to open camera or open picture gallery or other programs. .. why is that i have to load memory cleaner kinda often if this phone has over 500mb of memory... phone gets choppy and have to reboot... is it windows? i meant this thing is powerful specs talking...
im running BsB tweaks
no way i can use it a whole day without rebooting...... im a hardcore phone user tho.. but still .. hd2 has the balls for it
Are you running Opera 10?
yes... ........
happened to me when i used opera 10. if you dont fully exit it, you will get that message. sucks because if i have like 5 tabs open and i need to do somthing else on my phone, i had to exit it and it'll reset browser with home page. one of the reasons i went back to 9.7
The problem is in Opera 10.
Soft reset mob and start camera...it will be all ok. Then start Opera 10 and close and then open camera...and it wont, he will say memory low.
Go back to Opera 9.7, Opera 10 isnt good enoght...wait for Opera 10.x
ok going to keep opera 10 ckose today to test it would get back to u guys thanks a lot
Is there anyway to have Opera 10 use the Tilt 2 (Stock ATT ROM) use the Zoom bar to zoom?
Also, Opera 9.5 (Stock ROM) is always loaded in the background so it loads fast, I like this. Is there an easy way to make it always load Opera 10 in the background instead of stock 9.5?
There's no way in Opera 10 to zoom using the zoom bar, 10's not built to use it, and that functionality may never be available. I would sugggest checking out the zoom bar multi-function software listed in the "software worth having on tp2" thread in this forum. Maybe a later update of this software will be able to provide this functionality, but its worth having it the way it is now. As for keeping Opera 10 loaded in memory all the time, honestly I dont know. Gotta feeling it'd use up alot of ram all the time when ur not using it though. I guess the load time never really bothered me, and I use Sense 2.5 and a lotta other crap too, so I wouldnt be able to afford that much memory for something I wasnt using
maybe try putting the opera startup or whatever that thing is in the the startup folder in windows. maybe? idk if i'm not good with all the technical lingo.
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Is there anyway to have Opera 10 use the Tilt 2 (Stock ATT ROM) use the Zoom bar to zoom?
Also, Opera 9.5 (Stock ROM) is always loaded in the background so it loads fast, I like this. Is there an easy way to make it always load Opera 10 in the background instead of stock 9.5?
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You might check out, read through, post in the "All Opera Mobile/Mini versions: Official thread"
i wish the zoom bar would work again. i hate the 2 level zoom. the back button no longer works either in 10 like it did in 10 beta. i think ill post in that thread to see if anyone can get it to.
Thanks McBrain. While that thread did not help with Zoom, it taught me how to enable auto rotate which is nice.