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I have been running 4.00.11 for quite sometime now the 2 main problems I have with this version is
1) If I'm using PIE & task switch or go to today or any other applications, when I try to come back to PIE it's been closed. I then have to re-open PIE & it loads my default page not where I was. It seems very tempermental in this version closing down whenever it is in the background, but not all the time. Very strange. Since I am using data each web page load this seems like a error that would benefit the service provider. :roll: Odd since I never had this problem in earlier versions (keep in mind all these versions are on the same build) Hmmmm?
2) If I reg hack to put my cookies, history, & temp internet files on SD & I get disconnected from the network it will, from that point forward start using main memory again. If I delete these files from main memory it then starts using SD card again which tells me the reg hack was never actually changed back to what it was before my edit. How strange is that? For some reason it just starts using RAM even though the registry is set to tell it to use SD. Go figure? Again not ever occurring in previous versions.
Has anyone else experienced this? Just curious.
I still think Ozone version was still the most stable minus the Alarms issue which still plagues many of the non-phone edition 2003 devices.
It would be nice to see a ROM version based on Ozone minus the alarms issue & the 2 battery icons w/the new version of WinModem coming from O2 included in the new O2-XDA2. I think this would be an ideal ROM. Just a blind item suggestion... :wink: and of course whatever other little programs can be fit 8)
Try freeing up more ram.
I find if I multitask too many the os will start closing them especially PIE and EzWap when you have
web pages open.
Oh yah cache for PIE dont work too well either it always reload from the net when I go back to previous pages.This is true for the deaktop IE so I dont know what the cache is suppose to do.
For EzWap it does reload from cache but maybe because I am usually surfing Wap pages.
Oh sorry I did not notice your saying that you are alright with earlier versions.
All I can say is its a mystery
Maybe we should start a poll to see how many successful wm2k3 upgraders.
The best thing about Opera for me is the tabs, which is a godsend for GPRS usage. However due to the lastest version of Opera being a buggy piece of crap (worse than the beta imo), i am forced to use IE again.
I remember reading something about a program that added tabbed browsing to IE, but have forgotten what it's called. Does anyone have any idea's?
PIEPlus 2.0
are you using any other programs on the background?
Opera final has been very stable for me, it does not lock up when loading pages like the beta, doesnt have the landscape change mode bug as well.. Double spacing bug is also gone... The rendering is simply amazing and comes close to my desktop version of firefox easily! :shock:
I got my device overclocked, though (240mhz), and i dont have much else installed like themes memory-hogging apps like wisbar advance 2.
I used it for 2 days almost all the time and i was so impressed i didnt even wait for the trial to run out, i already bought it. Very very impressed with it.
spb pocket plus does it and a lot of other stuff
ftxbrowser is a free pie addon with tabs - see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=44177&highlight=
a bit old but still works and you dont have that annoying keyboard popup problem!
zeuzinn said:
are you using any other programs on the background?
Opera final has been very stable for me, it does not lock up when loading pages like the beta, doesnt have the landscape change mode bug as well.. Double spacing bug is also gone... The rendering is simply amazing and comes close to my desktop version of firefox easily! :shock:
I got my device overclocked, though (240mhz), and i dont have much else installed like themes memory-hogging apps like wisbar advance 2.
I used it for 2 days almost all the time and i was so impressed i didnt even wait for the trial to run out, i already bought it. Very very impressed with it.
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No, nothing else running. Takes 30+ seconds to load up and then constantly freezes on pages for a few seconds or just crashs. I'm not the only one either. Shame, because it does render pages much quicker than IE and copes with java better too
MultiIE v4.0.d71
MultiIE v4.0.d71 does a nice job.
http://www.multiie.info/
is it just me or is the RAM management (where WM closes idle apps to free up RAM) a lot touchier in the new rom than before? it seems like i just minimize opera to check my email and within 20 seconds its been closed, i cant even run IM+ in the background like i used to because it gets closed
is there any way to turn this off? or at least exclude some programs or lower the threshold? its really annoying
instead of pushing the "x" button on the touch screen, i would just push the hardware "ok" button and it minimizes just fine for a long time. im using dcd's rom btw
nope, still kills it within a minute, maybe i shoudl just stop running it at 13mb of ram free
im actually having the same problem with DCDs rom. i run wisbar desktop and it will shut off after 10 minutes. its very very annoying.
well i was runnign DCD 2.3.2 and it was fine, now im on 3.0.0 (built from kitchen) and its doing it again
any ideas?
That is strange indeed. We all know how bad windows is with RAM (not excluding vista/xp/mobile, etc). I was running wisbar advance to give me the "linux" look/feel, but i found that i would have to soft reset every day to keep the ram up. I used SKtools FreeUpRam to keep me going throughout the day, but it'd still be pretty low most of the time.
I stopped using wisbar and i have better ram management, but still not very good (though much better than WM6.0). I have HTC Home, metrix, and an rss, feeder, s2u2, narglz iphone dialpad running and my ram is at 15 MB. I did my last soft reset over 24 hours ago. So, 6.1 does have ****ty RAM management, but running the same thing on 6.0 i HAD to softreset usually every several hours (and that would be without the rss feeder running).
So while this post isn't necessarily helping, it's just a "this is my experience". After I flash to newest ROM (probably some point tonight), I'm going to run some tests as far as memory management is concerned. If I find anything, I"ll post it up, if i dont, then i dont.
On a side note, i switched to the simply everything plan, unlimted everything woot!
i havent had much issues with memory leaks/losing ram, whats annoying me is how fast windows closes programs that are minimized
2 experiences i just had recently, in opera mobile, browsing a website, i get an email, switch to messenger to read it, then switch back to opera, couldnt have been more than 20 seconds but windows killed opera in that time
just now before typing this, had IM+ open, was sending an IM to my buddy and i accidently hit the phone send button (which birngs up the phone) i close out (literally 3-4 seconds) and windows had killed IM+
now opera i can understand, it uses 6-7mb ram (i have 20 free on boot) but IM+ only uses like 700k, why cant windows just leave the little guy alone?
another thing i noticed is that it seems fine with leaving apps running, until i try to run something else, so IM+ stays in the background until S2U2 loads, then it kills IM+
Just a guess here as I can't flash roms until the weekend (I need the phone)
But Sprint included HTC_Task Manager and maybe it has been updated to shut down programs after a certain time limit.
Has anyone checked the HTC Task Manager settings to see if there is an option on timeout and closing?
well im guessing there is some sort of learning feature to the ram management, as IM+ and resco explorer (another app i use frequently) no longer get killed no matter how long they run or what other apps i run with those 2 in the background
so kudos to windows mobile
have you tried going to settings>system>task manager>button> and made sure you dont have "Enable the X button to end running programs" checked??
gah, i spoke too soon, its doing it again, its gotten worse in fact, WM has taken to closing IM+ when its the active window
That sounds like a problem with IM+ I was having earlier, it turned out to be a corrupted file in the install, doing a hard reset of the phone and reinstalling IM+ fixed it, but that obviously wouldn't fix your RAM troubles, but it might not be windows closing IM+.
Just out of curiosity, how do you get IM+ to eat so little ram for you? it's generally 1.3mb-4mb, which is fairly ludicrous (helps if I keep closing my extended conversations)
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That sounds like a problem with IM+ I was having earlier, it turned out to be a corrupted file in the install, doing a hard reset of the phone and reinstalling IM+ fixed it, but that obviously wouldn't fix your RAM troubles, but it might not be windows closing IM+.
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well as the title said i was having this issue on the leaked 3.16 rom (using IM+ 3.53) and now im having it with DCD 3.0.0 using IM+ 3.53, then updating to 3.55, so at least part of it is windows
i have noticed since upgrading to 3.55 though that it is very slow accessing anything else with IM+ running (like its spiking the CPU or something) so maybe this is an IM+ problem too
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Just out of curiosity, how do you get IM+ to eat so little ram for you? it's generally 1.3mb-4mb, which is fairly ludicrous (helps if I keep closing my extended conversations)
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probably because i just have AIM and gTalk connected, and usually only have 1 or 2 convos open
sorry to bump this thread (again) but i think i may have some useful info on why this seems to happen sporatically
currently im using a custom rom built in DCDs 3.0.1 kitchen and what ive found is that if i load a bunch of programs immediately after a soft reset (eat up a bunch of ram) then those (and other) programs will stay open until i close them manually
if i let it sit with nothing running then it will only let me have one program open at a time
my conclusion is that in the minute or so following boot it establishes a "baseline" for how much ram it wants to keep open, and closes programs when it gets below that, having programs open seems to force that baseline lower, thus allowing you have more apps in the background, ive been opeing skype and opera mobile to eat up about 10mb
im not sure if this is windows mobile standard behavior or if its the result of some other app i have installed (SPB pocketplus is the most likely suspect) i might make a backup and hard reset to tonight to see what happens with nothing else installed
Ever since I have my HTC Magic on Vodafone UK, I have that utterly annoying issue of Magic's internal browser reloading webpages that were previously loaded and switched into background. Simple example: I load a webpage, making sure it's fully loaded. Then I go back to home screen, play around with icons or other apps etc., or open new browser window and load another page. After short while, when I go back to that first loaded page (already fully loaded and sitting in the background) - I get blank browser window, and page gets reloaded from the scratch. Uber-annoying, especially when I try to get few pages pre-loaded for later reading while in the Tube.
There is a bug floating around Android's bugtrack: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2171 - however I was wondering whether other Magic users are experiencing same thing and if there's any workaround for this?
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Ever since I have my HTC Magic on Vodafone UK, I have that utterly annoying issue of Magic's internal browser reloading webpages that were previously loaded and switched into background. Simple example: I load a webpage, making sure it's fully loaded. Then I go back to home screen, play around with icons or other apps etc., or open new browser window and load another page. After short while, when I go back to that first loaded page (already fully loaded and sitting in the background) - I get blank browser window, and page gets reloaded from the scratch. Uber-annoying, especially when I try to get few pages pre-loaded for later reading while in the Tube.
There is a bug floating around Android's bugtrack: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2171 - however I was wondering whether other Magic users are experiencing same thing and if there's any workaround for this?
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Is it a bug or is it just that the web browser has been moved off RAM to make space for another application so that when its re-opened, it has to reload everything again.
If you load a website that is just text only without any graphics or javascript and then go to another application and come back, it will not be reloaded, because the footprint is small.
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Is it a bug or is it just that the web browser has been moved off RAM to make space for another application so that when its re-opened, it has to reload everything again.
If you load a website that is just text only without any graphics or javascript and then go to another application and come back, it will not be reloaded, because the footprint is small.
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Yes, I can understand this point of view, however I'd still regard this as a bug, or at least as a feature that massively undermines user experience as for internet-centric mobile device...
In fact, this is the very first device I've had in my hand that has such 'feature', in every other phone or internet tablet (like Nokia N810) that has multi-window browser, I am able to load many webpages simultaneously and keep them persistent in the background. The new and shiny, internet-centric HTC Magic suddenly offers that 'magic' feature of saving RAM at a cost of utterly horrendous user experience...
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Is it a bug or is it just that the web browser has been moved off RAM to make space for another application so that when its re-opened, it has to reload everything again.
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Anyway, content should then have been cached on sdcard (or internal memory).
have you tried swapper?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483110
that extends the internal ram out to flash so maybe that will help.
Seems to work fairly well. I can have imeem streaming and other stuff and the browser pages still stay in "memory" and aren't reloaded.
dwang said:
have you tried swapper?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483110
that extends the internal ram out to flash so maybe that will help.
Seems to work fairly well. I can have imeem streaming and other stuff and the browser pages still stay in "memory" and aren't reloaded.
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Good idea, but I'd need to root my phone first, which is actually quite good excuse to do it.
Thanks for a tip!
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Good idea, but I'd need to root my phone first, which is actually quite good excuse to do it.
Thanks for a tip!
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yeah, i've been using it for a few hours and once everything is loaded into memory and swap, and its not bad and I haven't encoutered a browser page reload yet.
Of course when a swap from flash to memory occurs, there's a pretty significant pause, but thats to be expected.
Just a quick update, I've finally managed to install swapper and set the swap space to 32MB. It helps to the issue, however when many other windows are opened, there is still that reloading issue...
I guess it's not a bug, but just a feature of Android and its 'clever' memory management. Fingers crossed that they would improve it in future versions...
I've noticed a serious problem with the way android handles multitasking, at least for me. if I am using opera mini browsing, and I switch to the built in browser and go to a bookmark and load a page, now when I'm done and I go back to opera mini it starts a brand new session of opera. I've lost my page that I had open.
my free RAM during this is around 35 mb. this is why I think we should have control over what runs in the background rather than the OS just loading up everything and deciding for us. I don't have any services or anything running during this time, and I'm on the stock ROM. anyone else experienced this? anyone think this is a serious usability issue?
I've been testing this every which way, using either the home button to switch or long pressing home button to switch, and every single time opera closes.
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No, that is just the way opera was made.
Why blame the os its the app...
Yep, its only Opera. I don't use it anyways, but when I did - I do remember this issue, well I guess its an issue..
its not opera because this issue doesn't happen if you do not go to the bookmarks of the default browser. go ahead and try it out. I can go open 10 other apps and multi task, and I can still return to opera mini on the same page I left it at. its most certainly not a problem with opera mini. It's a problem with the way the OS handles certain events giving them priorities over others, I.e. default browser bookmarks gets some higher priority. so again if we had the ability to actually control what we want to run, it would be better.
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Wait a second, my Opera stays on the same page I left off on, even if I plenty of other applications open. A lot.. Maybe cause I'm rooted, and I have more RAM at the time? I am also using Dolphin, and the default.. and it still is leaving off at the same page.
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my free RAM during this is around 35 mb.
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This sounds fairly low.
How many apps do you have?
Are you rooted / using a custom rom?
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This sounds fairly low.
How many apps do you have?
Are you rooted / using a custom rom?
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He said he is using the stock ROM in the first post. :/
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He said he is using the stock ROM in the first post. :/
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Woops, missed that somehow.
Well... There's the problem haha!
ok maybe I jumped the gun, because I closed all my apps in one swoop and still only had 30 mb free RAM. so I did a reboot and now my opera mini does not close no matter what I do.
that's strange though, I guess its good to reboot once in a while as something ate up all my RAM. it was at the point where I closed every service and every app with a task manager, and still had barely any ram. my bad guys.
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that's strange though, I guess its good to reboot once in a while as something ate up all my RAM. it was at the point where I closed every service and every app with a task manager, and still had barely any ram. my bad guys.
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Not your bad, Opera's bad. They should do a better job of saving application state so that when the OS shuts it down it doesn't cause you to lose the page you were on.
OK i'm having this same exact problem again. All day yesterday i was browsing with opera mini, press home button to perform other tasks, and come back and it is still showing the same web page i was reading.
but then last night all i had to do was check my email real quick, i switch away from opera with the home button press, and go back to opera and it now has to re-load the entire app, taking me to the start page again. surely this is some problem with the way android OS handles multitasking, no? i mean the app obviously was saving my page all day yesterday, just like its supposed to. but then it suddenly STOPS doing this.
my free RAM was again down near 30MB because the OS has loaded a million apps that i dont need. yet the OS then will close the one app i DO need, opera mini, while leaving all these useless apps running, which i didnt even ever need or open in the first place!!
am i the only one who has a problem with this method of OS task management?
i'm sure a reboot will free up all the RAM and things will work normally again. but isnt android a linux based OS? shouldnt linux be able to run for days or even weeks without the need to reboot the phone just to set the RAM back on track?
very frustrated!
If you have a mirror handy, kindly gaze into it and you will find your problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFytHoXdG3E
lol
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surely this is some problem with the way android OS handles multitasking, no?
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No.
Again, this isn't a problem with Androids method of multitasking, it's a problem with the way Opera was written. It's not saving it's state properly. It should, but they haven't written it properly.
Opera obviously doesn't behave the way you expect, so my suggestion is to use something else until they have fixed it.
I just can't get on board with that argument. so the OS is giving priority to apps like tuneWiki, which I haven't opened in 3 weeks, over an app that I just switched away from 10 seconds ago is the best way for the OS to operate?
I would agree if my issue happened every single time. but 95% of the time opera stays open like its supposed to. so that tells me it IS doing what its supposed to. but in certain situations it just magically disappears even though it was just in use a few moments before.
I agree that opera is not saving state properly when the OS decides to close it. but why can't the OS leave it open with all the RAM and CPU power this phone has? this situation shouldn't even be happening whether opera is coded right or not.
I made a post on the opera forums to see if maybe they know about it and have a solution.
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I just can't get on board with that argument. so the OS is giving priority to apps like tuneWiki, which I haven't opened in 3 weeks, over an app that I just switched away from 10 seconds ago is the best way for the OS to operate?
I would agree if my issue happened every single time. but 95% of the time opera stays open like its supposed to. so that tells me it IS doing what its supposed to. but in certain situations it just magically disappears even though it was just in use a few moments before.
I agree that opera is not saving state properly when the OS decides to close it. but why can't the OS leave it open with all the RAM and CPU power this phone has? this situation shouldn't even be happening whether opera is coded right or not.
I made a post on the opera forums to see if maybe they know about it and have a solution.
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I'm not sure you're understanding what everyone else in this thread is saying, so here's another way to think about it:
Can you name another big-name app that behaves in the same constant state-losing behavior as Opera?
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so the OS is giving priority to apps like tuneWiki, which I haven't opened in 3 weeks, over an app that I just switched away from 10 seconds ago is the best way for the OS to operate?
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The fact that it feels like tuneWiki hasn't been closed even though you haven't used it in 3 weeks lead me to believe that the tuneWiki guys have done it correctly and as a result the user can't tell if the app has been running the whole time or if it is actually loading up a fresh copy of it (loading speed might be the only way to tell). Opera with tabs open probably uses a lot more memory than most programs, so it's a good candidate to close down when memory is needed which is probably why it keeps happening to you.
What Opera should be doing is taking a snapshot of the tabs you have open when you switch to a different applications and writing it to permanent storage so that if it does happen that it get's closed down by the system, when it starts up again later it can reload all of the tabs. It doesn't need to store the page data, just the URLs. I don't know why they don't do that for Opera Mini as their desktop browser does it perfectly.
If you are interested, this developer video on Android application lifecyle might clear things up a bit:
http://developer.android.com/videos/index.html#v=fL6gSd4ugSI
Send Opera an email and tell them to use meta data to remember where you were.
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I just can't get on board with that argument. so the OS is giving priority to apps like tuneWiki, which I haven't opened in 3 weeks, over an app that I just switched away from 10 seconds ago is the best way for the OS to operate?
I would agree if my issue happened every single time. but 95% of the time opera stays open like its supposed to. so that tells me it IS doing what its supposed to. but in certain situations it just magically disappears even though it was just in use a few moments before.
I agree that opera is not saving state properly when the OS decides to close it. but why can't the OS leave it open with all the RAM and CPU power this phone has? this situation shouldn't even be happening whether opera is coded right or not.
I made a post on the opera forums to see if maybe they know about it and have a solution.
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Each properly coded app speaks up and says "I Have _____displaying on screen, I have ____data on hand and I'm doing______".
If the OS says "sorry bud, you gotta go away cause the guy that's always fondling me(you the user) needs to do something else, go away" then that program is killed and that information saved.
Next time you open up your app, the OS asks "alright, I just got finished showing this guy settings, now he needs you again, do you remember where you were when I sent you away?"
If yes, then boom, you are back to where you were. If not then, your app goes back to square one.
Seems opera mini isn't properly implementing their save states. It's an issue with the application not the OS.
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I just can't get on board with that argument.
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YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS OPERA'S FAULT. THE DEVELOPERS DID NOT PROPERLY WRITE THE PROGRAM TO SAVE CURRENT STATE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANDROID OS
RogerPodacter said:
I've noticed a serious problem with the way android handles multitasking, at least for me. if I am using opera mini browsing, and I switch to the built in browser and go to a bookmark and load a page, now when I'm done and I go back to opera mini it starts a brand new session of opera. I've lost my page that I had open.
my free RAM during this is around 35 mb. this is why I think we should have control over what runs in the background rather than the OS just loading up everything and deciding for us. I don't have any services or anything running during this time, and I'm on the stock ROM. anyone else experienced this? anyone think this is a serious usability issue?
I've been testing this every which way, using either the home button to switch or long pressing home button to switch, and every single time opera closes.
my current free
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This is already an issue that has been brought up in a previous post. They came to the conclusion that it was the app, and in all common sense, it is the app. There is no reason to blame the OS, that is Android. Might i recommend rooting your phone and uploading a fine ROM like CyanogenMOD? I think it would be on your best interest to do so.
so the OS is giving priority to apps like tuneWiki, which I haven't opened in 3 weeks, over an app that I just switched away from 10 seconds ago is th
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The fact that it feels like tuneWiki hasn't been closed even though you haven't used it in 3 weeks lead me to believe that the tuneWiki guys have done it correctly and as a result the user can't tell if the app has been running the whole time or if it is actually loading up a fresh copy of it (loading speed might be the only way to tell). Opera with tabs open probably uses a lot more memory than most programs, so it's a good candidate to close down when memory is needed which is probably why it keeps happening to you.
What Opera should be doing is taking a snapshot of the tabs you have open when you switch to a different applications and writing it to permanent storage so that if it does happen that it get's closed down by the system, when it starts up again later it can reload all of the tabs. It doesn't need to store the page data, just the URLs. I don't know why they don't do that for Opera Mini as their desktop browser does it perfectly.
If you are interested, this developer video on Android application lifecyle might clear things up a bit:
http://developer.android.com/videos/index.html#v=fL6gSd4ugSI
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just to be clear I literally haven't opened tuneWiki in 3 weeks, and have done many reboots since then. it was just an example of one of the many apps I see running in the background, which I've never opened in weeks, yet the one I just used is the first to close.
to the other replies, I'm not confused and understand what's going on. I just think its a major flaw whether opera is saving state correctly or not.
9 out of 10 times I can switch away, do my tasks, come back and opera is still there where I was browsing. I just don't like the inconsistency. I feel like I have nocontrol over what and how I want my apps to run.
also if opera mini DID have to save my tabs and reload them, then that would be horrible as it takes certain time to get the proxy server going and then reload the pages. the current method where It's just instantly there, still in memory, is the best way for it to happen. and it DOES work this way majority of the time.