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I got my Wizard (O2 XDA Mini S) just over two weeks ago.
It came with the latest O2 ROM pre-installed already - so no need to upgrade.
When I first turned it on, it gave the option for a "Basic" install or a "Corporate" install.
After reading various threads here & elsewhere beforehand, I chose to just do a "Basic" install, & try & remove any left over O2 crap, rather than do a Corp install & then go through all the various extra settings to do etc. (plus I'd read posts where people said a tweaked Basic seemed more stable to them than a Corp).
Anyway.
After the Basic install, I deleted the O2 shortcuts from the Startup folder (think there was only a couple), & chose to uninstall "Mobile Solutions O2ActiveUI" using the "Remove Programs" app in the Control Panel.
On uninstalling O2ActiveUI, the Removal app told me that it could not be fully uninstalled, & asked if I wanted any mention of the programme removed from the list. I said Yes.
I then deleted any more O2 shortcuts I could find, including O2 Active, O2 Hotspots, etc., from within the Start Menu.
On browsing through my device, I've found the (presumably complete?) remains of the Mobile Solutions O2ActiveUI folder, within Windows.
It's got the Task Manager, some help stuff, stuff for setting up connections, the Active stuff, & various other bits.
Does anyone know if it's safe to delete this folder & all sub-folders?
Has anyone else been in my situation where they've done a Basic install, & then stripped out the remaining rubbish by deleting the MobSolutions O2ActiveUI folders from Windows?
Will it affect anything? (apart from losing the Task Manager - no loss to me - & presumably losing some of the help stuff). It won't affect the connections, or MMS, etc. etc., or the running of anything will it? I assume it's all just really only there for O2Active, & not needed if you never run O2Active?
I've attached a few screens of the various folders.
Is it really crapware??
Hi....
Is O2 Active stuff really THAT bad??
I also did the basic install but I let O2 Active remain just to see what the heck is it all about. Apart from random closures of O2 active UI, I havent seen a significant drop of performance.
I felt UI providers like SPB's software was more of a performance hog than O2 software.
What all are the alternatives to UI software and why is it mandatory that O2 stuff be removed?
Sid
Oh trust me, it's THAT bad.
When I first got my XDA (a 2i, but the platform's irrelevant really in this), I just did a regular install.
The O2 Active software lagged my device to hell and back, it realllyyyyyyy made it chug, it was horrible to use and a pain in the arse closing every time. The menus: clunky. The options: in stupid places. The menus: badly laid out. Oh, and I'd have to reboot the bloody thing on average once a day, but more often than not twice. It just made it slow to a crawl and then killed it softly. I did end up manually removing the software but when I hard resetted my device (for another reason... I messed up the registry, oops ) I did a Corporate Install and never looked back.
For instance, Corporate Install on my device doesn't do stupid things like hide the standard WM2003 clock on the top bar (the O2 installation removes the appropriate registry entries from the reg hive)... You just have to think, ok fair enough you have a clock on your O2 Active UI... BUT WHY REMOVE THE NORMAL ONE! The O2 AUI has some really, really stupid 'features', and it's a huge performance hog. If you want your phone to run as nature (well, Microsoft) intended, get rid of the O2 crap.
Is it really worth upgrading from the Latest Qtek Rom to this one?
If there is no extra memory etc just o2 stuff then I cant be bothered to upgrade and add all the programs back on.
but if it is faster then I guess I'm gonna have to upgrade AGAIN!!
Is it really worth upgrading from the Latest Qtek Rom to this one?
If there is no extra memory etc just o2 stuff then I cant be bothered to upgrade and add all the programs back on.
but if it is faster then I guess I'm gonna have to upgrade AGAIN!!
is it just me or is the RAM management (where WM closes idle apps to free up RAM) a lot touchier in the new rom than before? it seems like i just minimize opera to check my email and within 20 seconds its been closed, i cant even run IM+ in the background like i used to because it gets closed
is there any way to turn this off? or at least exclude some programs or lower the threshold? its really annoying
instead of pushing the "x" button on the touch screen, i would just push the hardware "ok" button and it minimizes just fine for a long time. im using dcd's rom btw
nope, still kills it within a minute, maybe i shoudl just stop running it at 13mb of ram free
im actually having the same problem with DCDs rom. i run wisbar desktop and it will shut off after 10 minutes. its very very annoying.
well i was runnign DCD 2.3.2 and it was fine, now im on 3.0.0 (built from kitchen) and its doing it again
any ideas?
That is strange indeed. We all know how bad windows is with RAM (not excluding vista/xp/mobile, etc). I was running wisbar advance to give me the "linux" look/feel, but i found that i would have to soft reset every day to keep the ram up. I used SKtools FreeUpRam to keep me going throughout the day, but it'd still be pretty low most of the time.
I stopped using wisbar and i have better ram management, but still not very good (though much better than WM6.0). I have HTC Home, metrix, and an rss, feeder, s2u2, narglz iphone dialpad running and my ram is at 15 MB. I did my last soft reset over 24 hours ago. So, 6.1 does have ****ty RAM management, but running the same thing on 6.0 i HAD to softreset usually every several hours (and that would be without the rss feeder running).
So while this post isn't necessarily helping, it's just a "this is my experience". After I flash to newest ROM (probably some point tonight), I'm going to run some tests as far as memory management is concerned. If I find anything, I"ll post it up, if i dont, then i dont.
On a side note, i switched to the simply everything plan, unlimted everything woot!
i havent had much issues with memory leaks/losing ram, whats annoying me is how fast windows closes programs that are minimized
2 experiences i just had recently, in opera mobile, browsing a website, i get an email, switch to messenger to read it, then switch back to opera, couldnt have been more than 20 seconds but windows killed opera in that time
just now before typing this, had IM+ open, was sending an IM to my buddy and i accidently hit the phone send button (which birngs up the phone) i close out (literally 3-4 seconds) and windows had killed IM+
now opera i can understand, it uses 6-7mb ram (i have 20 free on boot) but IM+ only uses like 700k, why cant windows just leave the little guy alone?
another thing i noticed is that it seems fine with leaving apps running, until i try to run something else, so IM+ stays in the background until S2U2 loads, then it kills IM+
Just a guess here as I can't flash roms until the weekend (I need the phone)
But Sprint included HTC_Task Manager and maybe it has been updated to shut down programs after a certain time limit.
Has anyone checked the HTC Task Manager settings to see if there is an option on timeout and closing?
well im guessing there is some sort of learning feature to the ram management, as IM+ and resco explorer (another app i use frequently) no longer get killed no matter how long they run or what other apps i run with those 2 in the background
so kudos to windows mobile
have you tried going to settings>system>task manager>button> and made sure you dont have "Enable the X button to end running programs" checked??
gah, i spoke too soon, its doing it again, its gotten worse in fact, WM has taken to closing IM+ when its the active window
That sounds like a problem with IM+ I was having earlier, it turned out to be a corrupted file in the install, doing a hard reset of the phone and reinstalling IM+ fixed it, but that obviously wouldn't fix your RAM troubles, but it might not be windows closing IM+.
Just out of curiosity, how do you get IM+ to eat so little ram for you? it's generally 1.3mb-4mb, which is fairly ludicrous (helps if I keep closing my extended conversations)
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That sounds like a problem with IM+ I was having earlier, it turned out to be a corrupted file in the install, doing a hard reset of the phone and reinstalling IM+ fixed it, but that obviously wouldn't fix your RAM troubles, but it might not be windows closing IM+.
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well as the title said i was having this issue on the leaked 3.16 rom (using IM+ 3.53) and now im having it with DCD 3.0.0 using IM+ 3.53, then updating to 3.55, so at least part of it is windows
i have noticed since upgrading to 3.55 though that it is very slow accessing anything else with IM+ running (like its spiking the CPU or something) so maybe this is an IM+ problem too
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Just out of curiosity, how do you get IM+ to eat so little ram for you? it's generally 1.3mb-4mb, which is fairly ludicrous (helps if I keep closing my extended conversations)
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probably because i just have AIM and gTalk connected, and usually only have 1 or 2 convos open
sorry to bump this thread (again) but i think i may have some useful info on why this seems to happen sporatically
currently im using a custom rom built in DCDs 3.0.1 kitchen and what ive found is that if i load a bunch of programs immediately after a soft reset (eat up a bunch of ram) then those (and other) programs will stay open until i close them manually
if i let it sit with nothing running then it will only let me have one program open at a time
my conclusion is that in the minute or so following boot it establishes a "baseline" for how much ram it wants to keep open, and closes programs when it gets below that, having programs open seems to force that baseline lower, thus allowing you have more apps in the background, ive been opeing skype and opera mobile to eat up about 10mb
im not sure if this is windows mobile standard behavior or if its the result of some other app i have installed (SPB pocketplus is the most likely suspect) i might make a backup and hard reset to tonight to see what happens with nothing else installed
So I put the new rom on my mogul. Love the gps. Love the task manager. However, I've run into a few problems that I would like to see if anyone else has encountered:
When i open an sms..it shows me the bottom of the screen..and not the message. not a deal breaker, but annoying.
i had just installed the rom. nothing on it... didn't even put my sd card in. soft reseted around five time to make sure... but when doing ABSO-FRICKING-LUTELY NOTHING the 68-78% of my program memory is occupied. wtf.
you too?
Right now, I have many many ways of turning on the GPS from standby.
So this is my fun part right now.
I got GPSGate, Google Map and AstroGPSLauncher to launch the GPS.
iGuidance 4 need alot of help to get going. iNAV need to work on this fast.
Other than that, it has been OK. I like the upload speed. It make my Remote Desktop more lively OK.
I think life is OK. This is something new on the Mogul, so I can understand it. It can only gets better.
trekkiemogul said:
So I put the new rom on my mogul. Love the gps. Love the task manager. However, I've run into a few problems that I would like to see if anyone else has encountered:
When i open an sms..it shows me the bottom of the screen..and not the message. not a deal breaker, but annoying.
i had just installed the rom. nothing on it... didn't even put my sd card in. soft reseted around five time to make sure... but when doing ABSO-FRICKING-LUTELY NOTHING the 68-78% of my program memory is occupied. wtf.
you too?
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SMS scrolling to the bottom upon opening a message is a known side-effect of the registry edit that changes the 4-way navigation button to scroll instead of tab to the next link on a page. HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Navigation\4-Way Nav; 0 will scroll (and open SMS messages at the bottom), 1 will tab
I am running the OEM 3.35 ROM, with all of the Sprint customizations, and on a fresh soft reset I have 22.56MB free memory. After a day of calls, text messages, and web surfing, I usually have 16 to 18MB free. Are you running the stock ROM or a custom ROM? Have you done any registry edits that would affect the free memory, such as changing cache sizes? Also, did you do an extra hard reset after flashing the ROM?
I am having none of the problems you are describing. Where is the option on the poll for "Yes, because these problems don't exist for the rest of us"?
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muyoso said:
I am having none of the problems you are describing. Where is the option on the poll for "Yes, because these problems don't exist for the rest of us"?
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I agree...new ROM great behavior...this is by far the best that Sprint has done thus far for the Titan, even stock it runs great. I just installed SPB and my memory stays at or near 18-20 and battery never dies on me.
"Yes, because these problems don't exist for me"
i updated wednesday and i use codyppc threaded sms so i dont know about the text prob. but i dont experience any different mem loss than Mario but i dont like that they integrated the tm into the rom cuz i didnt use that either but thats my only issue
well bah. i guess i get the "i just suck" title. i have a severe love hate relationship with this phone,. heh.
I have a Wing and about two weeks ago, I put my first calendar event in it and since, it has been acting up. I deleted the calendar event and it worked ok. So last week I put another event in there I needed and now it runs a LOT slower and locks up when I try to text message. Once I slide it to use the keyboard, sometimes I can put in who I'm sending it to but once I get to the message, locks up. I can't close the program or continue typing. I close the slider and it stays in landscape mode. Every other program on here works well but sometimes slow. After lurking on here, i thought it was a memory issue, program or storage. I've done a couple things to move stuff to the memory card so it shouldn't be memory. I have plenty of space on there and nothing helps. I have an overclock program on here and run it at 228 instead of 186 but nothing changes. I also downloaded MemMaid and have played around with it trying to help but no. Anyone have an idea what could be wrong? Is there a way to reload just the text program to work right again? I don't want to do a hard reset because I have almost 200 contact #'s and I really don't want to lose all those or have to write them down and retype them all in. Thoughts? I know I'm not the only one and after searching/lurking on here for a few days, i'm not finding the help needed. Thanks!!!
forgot to state the facts.
Storage memory 27.56mb free, program memory 16.51mb free. I did delete the MyFavs program which helped dramatically.
Are you using the stock Rom? If so have you tried changing your pagepool? My experience with using the stock rom was disappointment and eventually changed to a custom rom. But I do agree with you it does sound like a memory issue.
Also I would consider finding a Contacts backup program so when it all goes to crap you are safe. There are many options for backing up so I would recommend just using your favorite search engine. But sooner or later your wing will get so unresponsive you will want to reinstall and a backup is a nice option with that many contacts.
I am going to do a backup tomorrow for sure but I don't think it's a memory issue. If it was, how do people have wings working perfectly with 4-8mb and I'm consistantly 13-16? It has to be a software issue which means it can be fixed. Anyone else have this problem? I saw a few people on Yahoo Answers but no one stated a fix to the issue. Beuller?
Also forgot which it just did again is once in a blue moon when I go to do a screen lock, it gives me an all white screen then won't let me unlock it. I have to do a soft reset. Another piece to the puzzle that no one is figuring out. lol
Lately it's starting to do it when I even try to type using IE, say to log into a gmail account or to put in a URL. Somehow the keyboard is locking up the phone all together. If I get a call during a time when it's locked up, it ends up ringing but won't let me click answer or ignore. It seems like it's memory but at all times I have between 14-16 megs of program available with over 26 megs of storage. SOMEONE here has to have an idea, right?
Apparently I've stumped the developers here... time to find someone who can help me.
The stock T-mobile Wing rom sucks... it has memory leaks and it doesn't work very well. Very often, you try to open a program like the camera, and it will say "not enough memory to run" ... or texting will freeze up ..etc...
Best thing to do is install a 3rd party rom...
go here to find one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=349
I personally reccommend ITJE or ASERG roms... I've used both of their roms extensively and have found them to be the most professional, fast and stable.
Awesome man! I will look into them when I get home and will try them out on my Wing. I'll look into the rom you're running because I'm sure it's stable enough. My question is, do any of these roms or are there any plug ins that can let me use multiple schedules on the calendar? If I could have up to 4 or 5, that would be ideal! I use 4 different schedules for work and would like to have a personal one as well. You're my hero.
anyone think this is a stock Rom issue? It's now starting to lock up anytime I try to use the keyboard. No matter the program. Thoughts?
Toxis said:
anyone think this is a stock Rom issue? It's now starting to lock up anytime I try to use the keyboard. No matter the program. Thoughts?
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I still use the stock rom, of course, I haven't had any of the problems you do. It acted up when I first bought it, but I hard reset and followed the steps in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=326655.
From what I've read, T-mobiles roms are highly inconsistent. (surprise, surprise...) Some work decent if you don't mind a soft reset every morning, and some are just rotten apples. Try the mods and a hard reset 1st, but it sounds like you need a new rom.
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Awesome man! I will look into them when I get home and will try them out on my Wing. I'll look into the rom you're running because I'm sure it's stable enough. My question is, do any of these roms or are there any plug ins that can let me use multiple schedules on the calendar? If I could have up to 4 or 5, that would be ideal! I use 4 different schedules for work and would like to have a personal one as well. You're my hero.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "schedules" but there a lots of calandar .cabs out there like today agenda and pocketcm calender. Check out http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ or http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341867
I mixed tapatalk conversations, sorry.
Ever since I have my HTC Magic on Vodafone UK, I have that utterly annoying issue of Magic's internal browser reloading webpages that were previously loaded and switched into background. Simple example: I load a webpage, making sure it's fully loaded. Then I go back to home screen, play around with icons or other apps etc., or open new browser window and load another page. After short while, when I go back to that first loaded page (already fully loaded and sitting in the background) - I get blank browser window, and page gets reloaded from the scratch. Uber-annoying, especially when I try to get few pages pre-loaded for later reading while in the Tube.
There is a bug floating around Android's bugtrack: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2171 - however I was wondering whether other Magic users are experiencing same thing and if there's any workaround for this?
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Ever since I have my HTC Magic on Vodafone UK, I have that utterly annoying issue of Magic's internal browser reloading webpages that were previously loaded and switched into background. Simple example: I load a webpage, making sure it's fully loaded. Then I go back to home screen, play around with icons or other apps etc., or open new browser window and load another page. After short while, when I go back to that first loaded page (already fully loaded and sitting in the background) - I get blank browser window, and page gets reloaded from the scratch. Uber-annoying, especially when I try to get few pages pre-loaded for later reading while in the Tube.
There is a bug floating around Android's bugtrack: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2171 - however I was wondering whether other Magic users are experiencing same thing and if there's any workaround for this?
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Is it a bug or is it just that the web browser has been moved off RAM to make space for another application so that when its re-opened, it has to reload everything again.
If you load a website that is just text only without any graphics or javascript and then go to another application and come back, it will not be reloaded, because the footprint is small.
dwang said:
Is it a bug or is it just that the web browser has been moved off RAM to make space for another application so that when its re-opened, it has to reload everything again.
If you load a website that is just text only without any graphics or javascript and then go to another application and come back, it will not be reloaded, because the footprint is small.
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Yes, I can understand this point of view, however I'd still regard this as a bug, or at least as a feature that massively undermines user experience as for internet-centric mobile device...
In fact, this is the very first device I've had in my hand that has such 'feature', in every other phone or internet tablet (like Nokia N810) that has multi-window browser, I am able to load many webpages simultaneously and keep them persistent in the background. The new and shiny, internet-centric HTC Magic suddenly offers that 'magic' feature of saving RAM at a cost of utterly horrendous user experience...
dwang said:
Is it a bug or is it just that the web browser has been moved off RAM to make space for another application so that when its re-opened, it has to reload everything again.
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Anyway, content should then have been cached on sdcard (or internal memory).
have you tried swapper?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483110
that extends the internal ram out to flash so maybe that will help.
Seems to work fairly well. I can have imeem streaming and other stuff and the browser pages still stay in "memory" and aren't reloaded.
dwang said:
have you tried swapper?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483110
that extends the internal ram out to flash so maybe that will help.
Seems to work fairly well. I can have imeem streaming and other stuff and the browser pages still stay in "memory" and aren't reloaded.
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Good idea, but I'd need to root my phone first, which is actually quite good excuse to do it.
Thanks for a tip!
eva_d said:
Good idea, but I'd need to root my phone first, which is actually quite good excuse to do it.
Thanks for a tip!
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yeah, i've been using it for a few hours and once everything is loaded into memory and swap, and its not bad and I haven't encoutered a browser page reload yet.
Of course when a swap from flash to memory occurs, there's a pretty significant pause, but thats to be expected.
Just a quick update, I've finally managed to install swapper and set the swap space to 32MB. It helps to the issue, however when many other windows are opened, there is still that reloading issue...
I guess it's not a bug, but just a feature of Android and its 'clever' memory management. Fingers crossed that they would improve it in future versions...