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I am just about to spend my hard earned cash on a Sat Nav system for my SPV M5000 and the two obvious choices are TomTom and CoPilot. Reading through the forum it seems that TT is more popular as there is more chat about it, but most of this is not very positive.
Looking at both products on their respective websites, the CoPilot seems to have a better feature set, including the 'live tracking' which sounds pretty cool
What are your thoughts???
BTW, what is considered to be the best Bluetooth GPS receiver?[/b]
I use Co-pilot 6 having upgraded from version 5 on my Jasjar. It works well and I find very little to complain about (hence lack of posts here I guess). It's ideal to obtain the package that contains their bluetooth GPS sensor for complete compatibility.
As soon as I can, I'm going to grab a copy. TomTom5 works, but its slow, ungainly, over-simplified and otherwise worse than TT3. I can't even specify coordinates.
Had a few teething problems but Co-Pilot 6 is pretty good. I upgraded from 5.
Only bad point so far is the POI's and the confirmation it requires for you to see the maps.
I have not yet tested the LIVE function - maybe I will try it on the way home tonight!
TT5 does seem to claim a lot of posts on here but then I think there are a larger % of peeps using it.
C6
I Got my Pro with Copilot 6 - I like it!!
I 've read sooo much bad press about it - but then TT seems to be a nightmare too. CP6 is pretty good - room for improvement sure but it works! -
well i gotta prob where the voice only comes through on earphone and not on speakerphone - that is annoying.
anyone know how to fix this?!
peace,
lr
You could try uninstalling the speech and then when you start Co-Pilot up again it should ask you to re-install with the language of your choice.
Or try chatting to ALK they are good on the support front. They usually get back to you quite promptly.
Avoid TomTom
TomTom support can be very poor if you have a problem.
They also specify that the software is licensed for one device only. I had a copy installed on my iPAQ and then device broke. TomTom refused to allow me to activate it on a new device.
This means I spent £300 a year ago and now I had nothing.
TomTom maps are alwaus out of date as well Steer clear.
Does anyone know of the best mapping software that i can use while on the road, so I don't have to connect to the internet or gprs.
Also is the cingular 8125 GPS compatible, what service does it use?
Thanks guys,
JW
No onboard GPS...
As far as an installed app I use PocketStreets.
If I have Inet Access I just use Google www.google.com/gmm/
i use copilot 6 for ppc for onroad satnav and memorymap for off road gps guidance
both require a gps reciever which you are best off getting as a bluetooth one.
but im in the UK, might not be the best options for your country
i use iguidance by inav. Did a lot of research on bluetooth recievers as well and settled on the Globalsat BT 338. (Sirf III)
The mapping software is excellent and accurate. I also looked at Copilot but it was $170 instead of $100 for iguidance. Also, it could use a bit more processing power. The inav software is one of the smallest footprint gps software but still very full featured.
I'm very happy with it.
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No onboard GPS...
As far as an installed app I use PocketStreets.
If I have Inet Access I just use Google www.google.com/gmm/
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isn't there a program that I can download that install maps by state or the USA, because i never know when I'll need it. I don't want to just search small maps using pocketstreets...
i have a program, called GIS RUssa. it is very handy, but expensive. may be someone has a keygen for it?
http://nanika.net/metro - it`s a software that features almost any city in the world giving complete direction on how to reach from Street A to Building Z. Try it out. It`s free
Regards,
NRGY
unfortunately that metro prog is only for the bus system but is there another program out there that actually does from point a to point b like mapquest or something like that
I agree with IdeaDirect that the iNav iGuidance software is a winner. I have the Belkin variant of this software with a Belkin GPS (rebadged Fortuna Clip-on), but I haven't installed the software on the MDA yet. It has been installed on my Ipaq h2215 for two years and works very well. This software is rebadged by many resellers, including iNav, PrymeNav, and is used in numerous automotive applications.
But the version I have (1.1) is supposedly not compatible with WM5, according to iNav anyway, and reportedly only 2.1.3 or higher will work. When I approached iNav they suggested waiting until late June or early July, as a new version (v3) will be introduced. Since there is a 30-day window for free upgrades, buying now would require a paid upgrade to v3. This is the route I am going to take, as I can do without the GPS for six more weeks.
I agree with IdeaDirect that the iNav iGuidance software is a winner. I have the Belkin variant of this software with a Belkin GPS (rebadged Fortuna Clip-on), but I haven't installed the software on the MDA yet. It has been installed on my Ipaq h2215 for two years and works very well. This software is rebadged by many resellers, including iNav, PrymeNav, and is used in numerous automotive applications.
But the version I have (1.1) is supposedly not compatible with WM5, according to iNav anyway, and reportedly only 2.1.3 or higher will work. When I approached iNav they suggested waiting until late June or early July, as a new version (v3) will be introduced. Since there is a 30-day window for free upgrades, buying now would require a paid upgrade to v3. This is the route I am going to take, as I can do without the GPS for six more weeks.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Tom Tom. I've been using it on a Palm device and now just moved over to the MDA Vario and it works great on the Vario. I've only done approx 45,000 miles using Tom Tom over the last 19 months, and it has not once got me lost. To me it has been worth every penny. I use a Holux GPSlim 236 BT receiver which is excellent.
Im new to this gps things. So i need some type of bluetooth receiver to hook up to my wizard? Also when I get this software and device do I need to pay for satellite fees or anythign or is this map stuff free when I make the initial purchase?
Thanks
JW
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Im new to this gps things. So i need some type of bluetooth receiver to hook up to my wizard? Also when I get this software and device do I need to pay for satellite fees or anythign or is this map stuff free when I make the initial purchase?
Thanks
JW
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Yes, you need a Bluetooth GPS receiver. One of the best is Holux GPSlim236 or Globalstat BT338. I have the Holux & can highly recommend it.
If you buy for example Tom Tom, which again I highly recommend, you get the maps as well, but depending on the package, you can buy it with Tom Tom's Bluetooth receiver which is also very good.
There are no other fees. Unless you want to upgrade your maps at a later date. No map from ANY sat nav supplier will ever be 100% accurate.
The wizard does not work with wired GPS devices. But will work with a bluetooth headset/carkit as well as a bluetooth GPS receiver at the same time.
Take a look at these sites:
www.pocketgpsworld.com
www.tomtom.com
GoldLantern bluetooth GPS
I bought a GoldLantern bluetooth GPS receiver, it came with a download of "free" Mapopolis software - but thats where they get ya - the software is free but the maps definitely are not. However for a hundred bucks the maps seem to be pretty detailed. I have been using the demo version of the maps that expire after some number of days because my travel habits simply aren't that repetitive but I may eventually buy the subscription to all the North American maps.
Costs? Well, the MDA naturally which was about $370 with AZ taxes. $149 for the GPS receiver at Fry's Electronics (i paid too much but had to have it "now"). about $70 for a mini-SD 1GB card (also too much but had to have it "now") to store the maps. I haven't bought the maps yet and the GPS receiver is not "tied" to the application you use to navigate, I still might do TomTom but actually sorta like Mapopolis...
Performance is reasonably good provided Mapopolis is the only thing running. It takes the GPS receiver a minute or two to get a fix on your position.
I've used it in Phoenix, San Diego/Orange/LA counties in CA, and Seattle. In Phoenix its more of a convenience than anything else since I live here and don't necessarily need a GPS to navigate all the time, but it made business travel an absolute joy. No more trying to decipher the under-detailed rent-a-car map they give you along with the blank look when you ask if they know where your nationally known name brand hotel is.
In Seattle it was an absolute joy to use, I went on citysearch and figured out what kind of food I was going to eat that evening without any regard to navigational concerns. I had the mapping layers for King and Pierce counties loaded and Mapopolis even "knew" the names of some non-chain locally owned places that I'd been to in the past but hadn't a clue how to get to. The directions were accurate although the machine pronunciation of some of the street names was a little hilarious and it told me about turns in a timely fashion.
In Southern California I bumped into some limitations, probably becaue my usage pattern was a little different on those trips. I had LA/OC/SD counties loaded in memory the whole time so that could also have impacted performance and I was doing enough driving that I was also using my XM Roady2 for music and traffic updates. The XM (or Sirius) might be a relevant factor because the frequency band used by XM/Sirius is fairly close to Bluetooth, or 802.11b for that matter. All I can say is this: listening to XM and occasionally talking on my bluetooth headset at the same time, Mapopolis occasionally did NOT keep up with turns. At one point along I-5 south of San Diego it got confused and thought I was on surface streets which made for some interesting, if rapid, verbal directions from it. I think the factor was more the use of the bluetooth headset at the same time because once i ended the phone conversation mapopolis perked right back up performance-wise.
The battery life running mapopolis and bluetooth constantly - as well as the constant fascination with wanting to see my speed and direction causing the screen backlight to be on, caused the battery to drain very quickly - like 3 hours of usage had the battery almost 75 percent drained.
It's a good combination, but for the less technically inclined (and god help someone non-techie who buys a t-mobile mda...) the $500 garmin dashboard wart will do the GPS bit equally well without a steep learning curve. The learning curve to get this set up was near vertical but well worth it if you have the patience to fiddle with it. I.E. if you struggle a bit with your MDA, bluetooth GPS is not for you! Its also not something to learn how to use ON a trip, you definitely want to get the hang of it in your own local area before you put your complete trust in it in an unfamiliar place.
Hey guys,
I want to buy some gps software for my dopod 838pro and a bluetooth gps receiver. I was wondering what ones work best with your hermes devices and what problems arise when using them.
I was looking at the papago software and it seems pretty good. If there is anyone here using it I would like to know your feedback on how it performs and also what kind of gps reciever you are using.
Thanks for your time and input
oh I am also in Australia..I don't know if that makes much difference or not
Cheers
I suggest IBlue 737 with the latest MTK chipset, it has nice auto on/off feature an 25 hours of battery life. another more expensive option is the Garmin Gps10X (the new Sirf3 model only, the old one is crap)
Software that i use:
Garmin Que + Franson GPSGate
OZI Explorer
IGO
TomTom
sorry to threadjack.
but regarding the IBlue 737, will it or does it need anything else other then my 8525 to work?
I have google maps on the 8525. will it work with that alone or do I have to add something else?
Once again sorry to threadjack but I think it fits into the OP's questions.
if needed delete this and I'll make a new thread.
google map is good with any GPS. (just nmake sure you have unlimited data) else it could be expensive.
ive used iGuidance 4 and iGO my way plus 2006 with BT-Q818
GUI:
iGO rocks.. smooth.. and really nice...
iGuidance .. just plain and dull.. gps tracking not smooth as iGO is.
what i really like about iGuidance though is the TTS feature, and it tells you which side the destination is.. iGO does not..
if the features i liked in iGuidance would just be integrated in iGO, ill get it in a heartbeat.
Fantastic!
and yes I have the unlimited data plan, had it for a long time. I used to have a smt 5600 before the 8525.
one more question... will it also work with the yahoo go 2.0?
thanks guys, one more thing to spend money on
yes, it will work with yahoo go 2.0. i use one myself(live in UK). make sure u have a data package though.(unlimited would be the best). i use t-mobile wnw £7.50 and a BT gps.its amazing what you can do with this phone.i love it
The thread jacking is ok its all relevant
So any other suggestions with people who have the papago software at all?
And does anyone have any other gps receivers?
Cheers
My favorite GPS sw is TomTom, great features, easy to use and no bugs. I use it with a earthmate bt-20. Takes up 1gb of space but worth it. Tomtom automatically connects to my BT receiver, responds quickly and has nice smooth 3d graphics.
My next favorite is MSN streets. It is easy to use and has the most up to date maps of my area.
I really dont care for Google maps unless I'm in a G network. If you dont have internet reception which is often the case when you travel then Google maps is completely useless.
The Earthmate BT-20 receiver seems to work ok but it is the only one I have tried. Its a ugly yellow, blue, and black 2"x3.5" plastic box. I look forward to the day when GPS is built in.
im in aussie town too, tomtom 6 (soon 7) on the hermes with some bluetooth gps that i got off ebay works wonders.
also has no issues running on prophet (my wifes phone) and my now retired magician.
microsoft streets was good when running in offline mode however it looks like they dont support australia anymore with the only map set available being a few years old.
Thanks guys for the advice
Seems like tomtom might be the go..its what I've been hearing as being the best out there.
I think I will just get a gps receiver off ebay too
Cheers
I might as well throw in my .02 as well hehe
I'm in Australia and using Tomtom 6 with a Globalsat BT receiver and it works perfectly
Good luck with your decision
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I suggest IBlue 737 with the latest MTK chipset, it has nice auto on/off feature an 25 hours of battery life. another more expensive option is the Garmin Gps10X (the new Sirf3 model only, the old one is crap)
Software that i use:
Garmin Que + Franson GPSGate
OZI Explorer
IGO
TomTom
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i have the garmin GPS 10x and i get a weird error - ive only had it a week, long story short sometimes it wont turn on. --- how do you tell which model you have?
when it works, its awesome. tells you which turns to make, has a "recalculate" feature, good maps with a lot of detail
how do you connect it to google maps? i did it one time but haven't been able to do it since! would like to run it simulatneous with garmin XT the software that comes with it, google in satellite mode so you see from the sky where you travel to and hear from the garmin software which way to turn, would be pretty neat
i get confused which settings need to be put to which com port? i tried to add it in blue tooth and set up COM port 0 in there, and then go intot he GPS external setting (WM6) and set up both hardware and program port to 0 as well. cant get it to work alongside garmin XT software
Microsoft was offering a BT Pharos GPS for about $70 for PocketPC devices awhile back, not sure if they still are.
I got one and it works very well. The only difference between this and the typical Pharos offering is that it doesn't come with any software. Using it with Livesearch works perfectly -- the only thing Livesearch is lacking is vocal turn-by-turn directions and automatic trip recalculation. But of course you're not limited to just using livesearch with the GPS anyway.
Looks like it is still available:
http://www.amazon.com/Pharos-Blueto...6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1187064734&sr=8-3
Nokia Smart2GO.. It's tomtom but for free worldwide. (with some very minor limits/payable extras)
Have a search for the word nokia and posts by me and youll find some info about it in one of the hundreds of other gps threads around the hermes
thank you for your info. I am thinking of getting a bt gps receiver with software
my favourite is Navigon (you can tinker soo nicely with all the settings 'under the hood' ).
Dunno whether Navigon has a AU map at all, but they sell under a different name in the USA.
I would recommend any sirfIII GPS antenna with a good review in one of the navigation fora. I am using a cheap Mainnav that is OK.(great reception even behind metal coated car windows)
Wait for a Natural Disaster!!
I use TomTom 6 with a Nokia Bluetooth GPS reciever.. i got it for 29.99 from Fry's!!!
I live in central texas and when Katrina was on its way to New Orleans fries had CRAZY discounts on GPS units, Maglites, Waterproof cases for pdas.. basicly almost anything that can be used for "survival" so i grabbed a bunch of other stuff... now that Hurricane Dean is on its way i'm pretty sure they'll have discounts again... Time to hit up Fry's!!
lol its "natural disaster" sales at frys...for every hurricane that comes along we drop the prices by 20%
Cheers
WM5, iGuidance 3.x, i.Trek M5+
Never a hiccup.
Now...
As some people may have heard (i only found out today!!!)
Nokia have made their OVI MAPS voice navigation element completely free (it needed a subscription before, plus obviously a symbian phone)!!!
With both that and Google Navigator in the U.S. causing waves to the SATNAV market.. am I (and other NON-US WinMO users) going to get a free alternative?
I think the big players such as Garmin/TOMTOM/Co-Pilot etc... should be quaking in their boots or.... offer a free alternative as well, food for thought me thinks...
Any thoughts people?
I don't know how the Nokia software works but have you tried using Google Maps without a signal? Unless you have locally stored maps any navigation software is only as good as your network connection.
The nokia sat nav IS locally stored therefore making it even more useful than the Andriod 2.1 sat nav.
Dedicated satnav makers are screwed, but also people like Copilot with their poor Customer support and sloooooooow release of feature like TTS serriously Im still waiting
If you could get the same satnav software that Nokia supplies, but on a WM device I would literally be laughing! My N95 was the first phone I used for satnav, and it was hands down THE best satnav I've ever had. I admit, I've only used a couple of versions of TomTom and 1 version of CoPilot since then, but it blew them out of the water.
Surely getting it free almost makes it worthwhile getting a Nokia instead of a fully-fledged satnav device?
There will always (well, for a good while yet) be a market for dedicated GPS devices, especially the outdoor/off road ones. I have a Garmin GPSMap 60CSx, and whilst the screen is fairly small, the map scrolling is a little slugish, and the device is 4 times thicker than my HD2, I just can't ever see myself atop a mountain in a howling gale exposing my HD2 to the weather and taking my glove off to input the next geocache location, and nor can I see it mounted on my handlebars as I hurtle out of control down a rocky footpath. Nor can I see the boating fraternity giving up their multi thousand pound fishfinder/bluechart navigators for a tiny handheld phone.
I agree that yes, all bets are off for in car sat nav now that even simple google maps can be used as a sat nav, albeit without voice, and other softwares are becoming free, but i'll wager Messrs Garmin and TomTom aren't quite at the shotgun in the mouth stage of panic just yet.
The GPS market isn't just road satnav, that is just the popular mass market arm of the business, and I can tell you from experience (I sell Garmin) that the profit from the in car stuff is negligable in comparison to the aero and sea navigation stuff.
I searched the forum and youtube and found GPS apps that used to be available such as:
- Garmin XT (Garmin took this away due to their Garmin phone)
- Igo8 (United states version a.k.a. Oncourse Navigator not available)
- TomTom (Currently $136... quite greedy and for that price I will just buy a stinking GPS unit )
- Navigon (Currently $89... not as greedy as TomTom but I would still just buy a GPS unit for this price)
- Bing (Great option for free but I need something that runs without a data connection)
I want a GPS application I can use without a data connection in case I take trips outside of T-mobiles network. Is CoPilot the only option available?
If it is... could anyone give me their current thoughts on it since they added the "active traffic" update just a few days ago?
- Does CoPilot speak the street names or does it just say "turn left"?
- Are the maps current or do you find yourself with outdated maps?
- Is the Active Traffic helpful and up to date?
- Is it worth the $30 for the app or should I just end up buying a $70 GPS unit off of Amazon?
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- Igo8 (United states version a.k.a. Oncourse Navigator not available)
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Uh, just get the Igo8 world version and delete the maps you don't want. Go to your favorite P2P source, get that, and search the threads here for the proper adjustment to the system file.
I installed it today and even used it. The only thing that it doesn't do is speak the street names.
garmin mobile xt is something i would like to get a legitimate copy of, can anyone confirm that the garmin part number 010-10841-00 is the one that will install on windows mobile?
I see there are still a few retailer online with this item in stock
not that i recommend it at all, and it definitely shouldnt be done, it's pretty easy to find cracked software
but that's a terrible thing to do, and i for one have never done it.
As you mention, there are good free ones now like Bing, I would guess the next version of Google Maps, an app called Waze, etc. As you mention though, they all require data.
I haven't tried the paid ones, but the Copilot sure has a much better price than any of the others. I've seen some good reviews of it, including here on XDA. (Do a search for Copilot on XDA.) So, if you want data-free GPS, that might be a good option.
Notice-that $30 price for Copilot is the US version. (I forget if it includes Canada and/or Mexico. You pay extra (with all the commercial PDA apps) for each extra map you buy. So, if you are going somewhere not included in your package, you had better find out how much it would cost extra to buy the map for that country, continent, etc. Or buy the package for that other country, not the US one.
It almost seems that some here are kind of recommending (although not overtly) searching for illegally cracked versions online. I think it a better idea, if Copilot suits your needs, to buy from them. That sends a message to all--that those who price more reasonably, will get more sales. (Whereas if one is thinking-"I'll just steal the product I want", what message does that send? (In fact, the companies that charge a higher price, probably justify it, on the grounds that so many are stealing the product, that they have to charge more to the few who buy, in order to make ends meet.)
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I searched the forum and youtube and found GPS apps that used to be available such as:
- Garmin XT (Garmin took this away due to their Garmin phone)
- Igo8 (United states version a.k.a. Oncourse Navigator not available)
- TomTom (Currently $136... quite greedy and for that price I will just buy a stinking GPS unit )
- Navigon (Currently $89... not as greedy as TomTom but I would still just buy a GPS unit for this price)
- Bing (Great option for free but I need something that runs without a data connection)
I want a GPS application I can use without a data connection in case I take trips outside of T-mobiles network. Is CoPilot the only option available?
If it is... could anyone give me their current thoughts on it since they added the "active traffic" update just a few days ago?
- Does CoPilot speak the street names or does it just say "turn left"?
- Are the maps current or do you find yourself with outdated maps?
- Is the Active Traffic helpful and up to date?
- Is it worth the $30 for the app or should I just end up buying a $70 GPS unit off of Amazon?
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CoPilot is rubbish, hands down the worst sat-nav app I've used on any phone. I would say it's not even worth having! Totally inaccurate route calculations. The graphics are nice and the voice just says turn left, turn right, continue etc if I recall correctly. It's been 6 months since I used it.
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CoPilot is rubbish, hands down the worst sat-nav app I've used on any phone. I would say it's not even worth having! Totally inaccurate route calculations. The graphics are nice and the voice just says turn left, turn right, continue etc if I recall correctly. It's been 6 months since I used it.
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Sorry I must disagree. I've had in car installations in my vehicles (two) for almost ten years. I've used Toyota and VDO packages and currently have Pioneer and VW satnavs in my vehicles. I tried CoPilot on my HD2 as an experiment six months ago and found it superior to all of these kits.
For long complex journeys I now use my CoPilot with the in car Pioneer or VW satnavs as a back up.
My CoPilot voice not only gives directions beyond 'left/right' but also includes street names. It also covers traffic info and speed limits on the screen. Shows the correct lanes on motorways etc and even displays on screen the notice boards that you can see.
Not perfect but very good value for money.
By the way I've only used it in the UK and I've no vested interests in CoPilot.
Are we talking strictly WinMo in this discussion? If not, try IGO Motonav for android. I used IGO for windows mobile and have been using Motonav for android. They share .fbl map files.
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Sorry I must disagree. My CoPilot voice not only gives directions beyond 'left/right' but also includes street names. It also covers traffic info and speed limits on the screen. Shows the correct lanes on motorways etc and even displays on screen the notice boards that you can see.
Not perfect but very good value for money. By the way I've only used it in the UK and I've no vested interests in CoPilot.
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Completely agree! CoPilot 8 is an excellent software. I bought the European maps and use it regularly in the UK. Also used it in France, Portugal, Spain, Slovakia and the Czech Republic without a problem. Over the years I had Tom Tom (stand-alone & in WM phone) and I cannot compare both either on competence or on price. In my opinion, as far as WM software goes, CoPilot is well above the rest.
I have to say I really like Copilot Live 8... I've used iGuidance in the past and also TomTom 7, but when you add price & function "I" think that CP8 is pound-for-pound one of the best sat navs available on the HD2.
You can use Bing navigation. (turn-by-turn)