Tom Tom 5.2 Vs CoPilot 6.0. Which is best??? - JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General

I am just about to spend my hard earned cash on a Sat Nav system for my SPV M5000 and the two obvious choices are TomTom and CoPilot. Reading through the forum it seems that TT is more popular as there is more chat about it, but most of this is not very positive.
Looking at both products on their respective websites, the CoPilot seems to have a better feature set, including the 'live tracking' which sounds pretty cool
What are your thoughts???
BTW, what is considered to be the best Bluetooth GPS receiver?[/b]

I use Co-pilot 6 having upgraded from version 5 on my Jasjar. It works well and I find very little to complain about (hence lack of posts here I guess). It's ideal to obtain the package that contains their bluetooth GPS sensor for complete compatibility.

As soon as I can, I'm going to grab a copy. TomTom5 works, but its slow, ungainly, over-simplified and otherwise worse than TT3. I can't even specify coordinates.

Had a few teething problems but Co-Pilot 6 is pretty good. I upgraded from 5.
Only bad point so far is the POI's and the confirmation it requires for you to see the maps.
I have not yet tested the LIVE function - maybe I will try it on the way home tonight!
TT5 does seem to claim a lot of posts on here but then I think there are a larger % of peeps using it.

C6
I Got my Pro with Copilot 6 - I like it!!
I 've read sooo much bad press about it - but then TT seems to be a nightmare too. CP6 is pretty good - room for improvement sure but it works! -
well i gotta prob where the voice only comes through on earphone and not on speakerphone - that is annoying.
anyone know how to fix this?!
peace,
lr

You could try uninstalling the speech and then when you start Co-Pilot up again it should ask you to re-install with the language of your choice.
Or try chatting to ALK they are good on the support front. They usually get back to you quite promptly.

Avoid TomTom
TomTom support can be very poor if you have a problem.
They also specify that the software is licensed for one device only. I had a copy installed on my iPAQ and then device broke. TomTom refused to allow me to activate it on a new device.
This means I spent £300 a year ago and now I had nothing.
TomTom maps are alwaus out of date as well Steer clear.

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What version of TomTom?

Which version of TomTom works best with the XDA Exec and where can I buy it from?
With 126 posts already you should not be posting this!!
Plenty of threads on it already!!
Use latest version 5.21 (works very well)
google for your purchase or... total-gps.co.uk or ebay for it.
For gps unit... my recomendation is holux 236 (cant get better than this).
BR
Is the Holux better than the bluetooth GPS that comes with Navigator? I find the bundled GPS can take a long time to get a fix.
Does the Holux have 32 chanel? Auto on and off? Works inside the glovebox? 12 hour battery life car and mains charger? For £40? As after much searching I went for this Qstarz BT-Q880 32 Parallel Channel Bluetooth GPS Receiver with 'Auto-ON-OFF' Technology and worlds fastest TTFF.:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9739255922&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWN:IT&rd=1
Also re tomtom 5.21 working, I and another can confirm it does NOT work, if you have the latest CE rom version. I upgraded, and now even the 5.21 won't work - shuts down when you get to choosing a voice part. If you know a fix to this please let me know!
Greg.
agent003 said:
With 126 posts already you should not be posting this!!
Plenty of threads on it already!!
Use latest version 5.21 (works very well)
google for your purchase or... total-gps.co.uk or ebay for it.
For gps unit... my recomendation is holux 236 (cant get better than this).
BR
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lol well if you and 1 whole other can confirm it dosn't work, guess the rest of us should switch ours off and stop using it then.
Usual culprits for the crash at setup are, no CurrentMap.dat file in the my documents\Tomtom\ folder, just create a blank text document and rename it, (beware of windows xp renaming it as CurrentMap.dat.txt)
Also check you actually have voices installed, they do not come as part of the 5.21 installation file, your supposed to get them off your original CD's.
Hi Greg,
Indeed that looks like a nice unit @ a competitive price.
I cant coment further on it since its just unknown to me.
The holux though... very nice looking unit (not that it makes a diference on efficiency), does last 10 hours on the go,... on average from inside my glove box it picks up 7-9 sattelites (fixed) and as for the size its only marginally bigger than the nokia battery that it uses and it has 20 channel (if it had 32+ it would not work any better) price wise..one has to shop for it to get the best price and as a guide sellers on ebay at its cheapest are only making under £8 profit ...I give this 10/10 excellent.
Plz dont take this as blaging towrads what i got but just my 2 pence worth towards your questions :wink:
In regards to 5.21...I am also using the latest CE and it works flawlessly.
I have also encotered such problem as yours and a proper voice instalation fro the disk sorted it (you could have a problem if you dont have the latest instalation exe file that seems to throw an error when you have the latest rom on your device.
I have posted so much on these tomtom problems over forums that just cant be asked to repeat myselfe over and over again
If you cant get it going Greg.. PM me and Ill surelly sort it for you in real time talk.
WBR
Thanks for that really helpful post. I can't fault the holux either, or mine for that matter. One of the reasons I bought mine was the quoted fast start times (true) and the fact I can stick it in the glovebox and wire it in to the ignition, with the auto on/off feature it powers up on ignition then and also is charging so should I need to go walkabout it's always charged.
Anyhow thanks re tomtom, I'll give it a go again installing some voices and will go from there I think - be aware you may get a pm ;-)
I'm a hardened TomTom user and have hacked it pleanty in the past so was a bit worried by 6 or so hours of messing not getting it working!
I'll update in due course if I figure it too.
Greg.

Best GPS Navigation Program For Hermes?

I recently purchased a GPS unit for my Hermes and am very interested in knowing what navigation programs everyone likes for traveling. I'm going to be using this in the US and occasionally in Canada - thanks for your input!
TomTom 6
lacroixdp said:
I recently purchased a GPS unit for my Hermes and am very interested in knowing what navigation programs everyone likes for traveling. I'm going to be using this in the US and occasionally in Canada - thanks for your input!
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I used TomTom 5 and now Version 6 with no issues at all. I've seen co-pilot live 6 up and running and I'm very impressed with that too, but TomTom has never let me down before, so I'd recommend that.
i 2nd tomtom navigator 6 (apart from the lockup sometimes when it sarts its great)
I'll give that a shot - thanks much! It's pretty pricey but it looks to be the best out there!
Tomtom 6 seems to do the job.. expensive though, very old maps in some cases, people in the US have been *****ing about it doing silly things.
Here in australia though, no problems so far. Although I'd like a map update to tell it of some local changes..
i am using tomtom5. it's ok, although sometimes it hangs the hermes.
Best GPS software depends a lot on your location; because of it's obvious purpose, the most important things are area coverage and maps quality, then comes the interface, POI management and so on... Tried TomTom Mobile and iGO and stuck with the latest, because the maps are far better and precise (in Romania where I live).
For off-road I use GPSDash, it has all the features some might need + the posibility to create user maps.
Entire USA in 1GB microSD w/ OCN5
Any body tried OnCourse Navigator 5 on their TYTN? I think this GPS software blows TomTom away w/ seamless USA fitting in 1GB microSD. ETA,elevation,speed displayed in 3D mode, map refresh rate of 4fps compared to the usual 1fps with the other usual display-(like time and next street to turn)
I just hope it is compatible with the Tytn...
Try iGo Europe 2006 (http://www.i-go.com/en/products/iGO_2006_SD/screenshots.php). VERY FAST and has less problem than TT. It also has better graphics.
The downside is that the POI listing sucks. If I search for McDonald's around my current location, it'll list those from 100 meters to 50 kilometers! The software enough to know I won't drive that long from my current location just to get a fries.
Well, I got Tomtom6, but my GPS unit that was supposed to be shipped to me today was reported as out of stock - so sounds like I'll be waiting a few more days to try it :/
I use the Garmin Que software with a Garmin GPS10 receiver. Works great. I own the North America maps as well as the Europe maps. Have used them extensively in NA and in the UK - very happy with the combo.
When I researched the options, the above combo was rather cheaper than the TomTom option.
If TT works then most other software will work too.
I've a few other programs I'm going to test to make sure they work but assuming they do then I'll have the folllowing installed and to use:
GPS Tuner
GPS Auto
VisualGPSce
Memory Map
Navigon Navigator
try mapopolis
mapopolis has a free demo. at 99.00 it is cheaper too.
I've been using it for a year on my harrier, and now on my 8525. Works pretty well on both.
I use an I-blue gps. sensitivity and reliability is very good, mini-usb charger is non-standard pinout though.
wes
wwwes said:
mapopolis has a free demo. at 99.00 it is cheaper too.
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Indeed, however, not unless you already own the software
the software is free to download. you pay for the maps only. to download the app, go to demo maps and the first step is downloading the app. the demo maps are short lived, but full function. I think you can keep downloading them over and over when when they expire.
iGuidance v3.0.1. It is excellent!
Everybody says "tom tom" because it's the most common name. After doing my research I settled on iGuidance and could not be happier. Good luck.
I'll definitely have to look at that too! My GPS unit is backordered... I'm still waiting on it ><
The problem w/ iGuidance is that you cannot fit the entire USA on a 2GB microSD. Map file is 2.5GB
lacroixdp said:
I recently purchased a GPS unit for my Hermes and am very interested in knowing what navigation programs everyone likes for traveling. I'm going to be using this in the US and occasionally in Canada - thanks for your input!
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hi i m using IGO 2006 in Germany and Turkey... its very cool Try it
Elwyn M3100 said:
If TT works then most other software will work too.
I've a few other programs I'm going to test to make sure they work but assuming they do then I'll have the folllowing installed and to use:
GPS Tuner
GPS Auto
VisualGPSce
Memory Map
Navigon Navigator
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I have GPS Tuner. Where do find the best source of maps? I have tried the OS site but once I've deleted all of the surround and extra graphics, you're left with a blurry image. google and multimap down't have sufficient detail for "off road".

tom tom 6 + exec

how easy is it to install tomtom 6 on a O2 EXEC and get it working with a bluetooth gps reciver?
Are there any/many cracked coppies of this floating arround?
Cheers
Oblique
oblique said:
how easy is it to install tomtom 6 on a O2 EXEC and get it working with a bluetooth gps reciver?
Are there any/many cracked coppies of this floating arround?
Cheers
Oblique
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Here's an idea: try not stealing.
i don't nomaly steal but as i don't know how stable tomtom works on my phone or how stable bluetooth gps works on my phone i am reluctant to spend 80quid to find out.
works very well, you have to config your exec to get TOMTOM to work with bluetooth gps( you can find that on here somewhere).
It works fine, but slower than on a QVGA screen device.
I have used v5 and v6 on AKU 2, 3, and now Crossbow ROMs, it works fine on the Universal, so you can buy it without worrying.
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works very well, you have to config your exec to get TOMTOM to work with bluetooth gps( you can find that on here somewhere).
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You don't actually have to config anything if you have the TomTom GPS, it turns on BT itself, and finds it.
If you have a non TomTom BT GPS, simply pair it, and select an outgoing COM port, then when you fire up TomTom, tell it that it's a BT GPS on whatever port you chose.
All very easy.
cool, that is the kind of information that i was looking for, does anyone here use the live trafic update service? does it work well and divert you automaticly and how much does it cost to subscribe?
cheers
If I can remember, you and get 1 free month to try. Traffic is not always update!!!!!
It's good if there's a large incident, but in my experience you usually get stuck in things before they hit your device, and you see the road signs on motorways and things warning you anyway.
I stopped the subscripton, and just reroute myself if I see warnings, or hear something on the radio.
I am using TomTom 6 on my Exec now.
Previously used Navigon MN|5 which required *LOTS* of memory, so TomTom was a nice refreshment with its 7-9 MB memory trace.
Had problems setting up Bluetooth receiver. It wasn't showing up in the port list when I selected Bluetooth one. What I did was: added an incoming serial port, run TomTom and set port to this one (did not work yet!) then closed it and removed the port; after that TomTom just worked straight away At this point, an attempt to change port led to inability to get out of port selection, and you're buggered again. I'm sure that's some glitch, but I solved it anyway. May be there's a neater way of doing this.
But the software itself was good and stable, does what's on the tin, copy a directory to your card and you get Full Postcode navigation (very useful when finding businesses and not residential homes), and POI Warning function is built in now -- a *major* plus, never really got time to make POIWarner work properly. Tunnel mode -- progressive marker movement when lost GPS signal in a tunnel -- and that won my heart.
I do understand people's need to try BEFORE you buy, not after your money is tied up with some dud product and you get no refund. Go Trial, go.
Well in this case I'm pleased with TomTom 6 and its services. You can easily get a camera database each month from the Net and probably can live without Traffic service, but for me £33 a year doesn't seem too big a dent in my wallet - compared to £170-200 TMC receivers currently available on the market.
AlanJC said:
It works fine, but slower than on a QVGA screen device.
I have used v5 and v6 on AKU 2, 3, and now Crossbow ROMs, it works fine on the Universal, so you can buy it without worrying.
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AlanJC: Have you tried TT6 under WM6 and did all work well? Also, was TT6 happy after you upgraded the ROM - did you have any problems with TT6 thinking the Device Code had changed, thereby needing to re-register the software?

best gps software and bt gps receiver...

Hey guys,
I want to buy some gps software for my dopod 838pro and a bluetooth gps receiver. I was wondering what ones work best with your hermes devices and what problems arise when using them.
I was looking at the papago software and it seems pretty good. If there is anyone here using it I would like to know your feedback on how it performs and also what kind of gps reciever you are using.
Thanks for your time and input
oh I am also in Australia..I don't know if that makes much difference or not
Cheers
I suggest IBlue 737 with the latest MTK chipset, it has nice auto on/off feature an 25 hours of battery life. another more expensive option is the Garmin Gps10X (the new Sirf3 model only, the old one is crap)
Software that i use:
Garmin Que + Franson GPSGate
OZI Explorer
IGO
TomTom
sorry to threadjack.
but regarding the IBlue 737, will it or does it need anything else other then my 8525 to work?
I have google maps on the 8525. will it work with that alone or do I have to add something else?
Once again sorry to threadjack but I think it fits into the OP's questions.
if needed delete this and I'll make a new thread.
google map is good with any GPS. (just nmake sure you have unlimited data) else it could be expensive.
ive used iGuidance 4 and iGO my way plus 2006 with BT-Q818
GUI:
iGO rocks.. smooth.. and really nice...
iGuidance .. just plain and dull.. gps tracking not smooth as iGO is.
what i really like about iGuidance though is the TTS feature, and it tells you which side the destination is.. iGO does not..
if the features i liked in iGuidance would just be integrated in iGO, ill get it in a heartbeat.
Fantastic!
and yes I have the unlimited data plan, had it for a long time. I used to have a smt 5600 before the 8525.
one more question... will it also work with the yahoo go 2.0?
thanks guys, one more thing to spend money on
yes, it will work with yahoo go 2.0. i use one myself(live in UK). make sure u have a data package though.(unlimited would be the best). i use t-mobile wnw £7.50 and a BT gps.its amazing what you can do with this phone.i love it
The thread jacking is ok its all relevant
So any other suggestions with people who have the papago software at all?
And does anyone have any other gps receivers?
Cheers
My favorite GPS sw is TomTom, great features, easy to use and no bugs. I use it with a earthmate bt-20. Takes up 1gb of space but worth it. Tomtom automatically connects to my BT receiver, responds quickly and has nice smooth 3d graphics.
My next favorite is MSN streets. It is easy to use and has the most up to date maps of my area.
I really dont care for Google maps unless I'm in a G network. If you dont have internet reception which is often the case when you travel then Google maps is completely useless.
The Earthmate BT-20 receiver seems to work ok but it is the only one I have tried. Its a ugly yellow, blue, and black 2"x3.5" plastic box. I look forward to the day when GPS is built in.
im in aussie town too, tomtom 6 (soon 7) on the hermes with some bluetooth gps that i got off ebay works wonders.
also has no issues running on prophet (my wifes phone) and my now retired magician.
microsoft streets was good when running in offline mode however it looks like they dont support australia anymore with the only map set available being a few years old.
Thanks guys for the advice
Seems like tomtom might be the go..its what I've been hearing as being the best out there.
I think I will just get a gps receiver off ebay too
Cheers
I might as well throw in my .02 as well hehe
I'm in Australia and using Tomtom 6 with a Globalsat BT receiver and it works perfectly
Good luck with your decision
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I suggest IBlue 737 with the latest MTK chipset, it has nice auto on/off feature an 25 hours of battery life. another more expensive option is the Garmin Gps10X (the new Sirf3 model only, the old one is crap)
Software that i use:
Garmin Que + Franson GPSGate
OZI Explorer
IGO
TomTom
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i have the garmin GPS 10x and i get a weird error - ive only had it a week, long story short sometimes it wont turn on. --- how do you tell which model you have?
when it works, its awesome. tells you which turns to make, has a "recalculate" feature, good maps with a lot of detail
how do you connect it to google maps? i did it one time but haven't been able to do it since! would like to run it simulatneous with garmin XT the software that comes with it, google in satellite mode so you see from the sky where you travel to and hear from the garmin software which way to turn, would be pretty neat
i get confused which settings need to be put to which com port? i tried to add it in blue tooth and set up COM port 0 in there, and then go intot he GPS external setting (WM6) and set up both hardware and program port to 0 as well. cant get it to work alongside garmin XT software
Microsoft was offering a BT Pharos GPS for about $70 for PocketPC devices awhile back, not sure if they still are.
I got one and it works very well. The only difference between this and the typical Pharos offering is that it doesn't come with any software. Using it with Livesearch works perfectly -- the only thing Livesearch is lacking is vocal turn-by-turn directions and automatic trip recalculation. But of course you're not limited to just using livesearch with the GPS anyway.
Looks like it is still available:
http://www.amazon.com/Pharos-Blueto...6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1187064734&sr=8-3
Nokia Smart2GO.. It's tomtom but for free worldwide. (with some very minor limits/payable extras)
Have a search for the word nokia and posts by me and youll find some info about it in one of the hundreds of other gps threads around the hermes
thank you for your info. I am thinking of getting a bt gps receiver with software
my favourite is Navigon (you can tinker soo nicely with all the settings 'under the hood' ).
Dunno whether Navigon has a AU map at all, but they sell under a different name in the USA.
I would recommend any sirfIII GPS antenna with a good review in one of the navigation fora. I am using a cheap Mainnav that is OK.(great reception even behind metal coated car windows)
Wait for a Natural Disaster!!
I use TomTom 6 with a Nokia Bluetooth GPS reciever.. i got it for 29.99 from Fry's!!!
I live in central texas and when Katrina was on its way to New Orleans fries had CRAZY discounts on GPS units, Maglites, Waterproof cases for pdas.. basicly almost anything that can be used for "survival" so i grabbed a bunch of other stuff... now that Hurricane Dean is on its way i'm pretty sure they'll have discounts again... Time to hit up Fry's!!
lol its "natural disaster" sales at frys...for every hurricane that comes along we drop the prices by 20%
Cheers
WM5, iGuidance 3.x, i.Trek M5+
Never a hiccup.

New Treo Pro thoughts and Tom tom question

I have been using windows mobile devices now for about 5 years,my first phone was an mda compact III which was excellent.next up was the Mda Compact 5 which also is a very capable device, might I ad these 2 devices were brilliant with the sat nav never missed a beat allways having plenty of satalites ,my main reason for having these windows mobile devices is all in one phone and sat nav as I am a driver and sat nav is a MUST .I allways have the latest version of Tom Tom navigator installed on my phone. This is when I started to get fed up with touchscreen phones as they can be so annoying with wrong finger scrolling and such likes, I decided I now need a device with physical keys.
This were my search for qwerty keyboard phone began,firstly I bought the Samsung i780 which on the face of it was a fantastic device it was solid,fast ,However the gps was just awfull I loaded up my tom tom but I tried in vein to install endless apps like gps test /gps gate,etc etc and just could not get it to work right,
Next up was the I-mate 8502 again another nice device but 10 -15 resets a day all got too much and that went also.
So here I am with the Palm Treo Pro ,managed to get a nice example from Ebay for £70,really nice device loads my tomtom 7 with 850 maps on no problem,really likin the phone ,I think I have finally found a phone that will suit all my needs ,spb mobile shell to get away from the home screen and I`m away. First day using the Phone with the tomtom on and the the phone freezes on me twice ,soft reset sorts it out .,I have read endless amounts on this since then with no conclusive remedy.IS THERE AN ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM or is this fine phone going to be a non starter,I will be so disapointed as i really enjoy using this device,all help or comments will be greatly received.
Thanks in advance.
well if you have a data plan, i highly recommend getting google maps. otherwise you could try bing. both are very good applications and save you a lot of space. sorry im not familiar with tom tom, but i do know that there is not too much ram on the treo. if you close all your other applications in the background, you might get it to work then =]
Thanks for your reply .Think I have found a remedy to the tomtom freezing daily,I changed the baud rate from 4800 to 9600 and so far no more freezing and losing sats,only been 2 days but no more hang ups.
delta 1646 said:
Thanks for your reply .Think I have found a remedy to the tomtom freezing daily,I changed the baud rate from 4800 to 9600 and so far no more freezing and losing sats,only been 2 days but no more hang ups.
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Hi, if u don't mind shelling out some more money i would recommend u try Garmin's navigation software. I've been using it almost daily for about 6 months with fast gps detection rate, etc, and it has never frozen up on me. and as computerguy pointed out, it works best if other applications in d background are exited.
P.S. I'm using a custom ROM though.
I'd second the Garmin software. Used to run the TomTom software on mine and had nothing but troubles. It would either freeze up or just would lose the GPS signals constantly. Garmin might not be as nice to use but its rock solid in comparison.
I agree about TomTom freezing. I don't have it as often as you do but I do have occasions where it seems to lose all track of where it is.
I have switched to Sygic MM10 and it's brilliant. It uses the same maps as TomTom but has better graphics and is rock solid

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