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Tom Tom 5.2 Vs CoPilot 6.0. Which is best???

I am just about to spend my hard earned cash on a Sat Nav system for my SPV M5000 and the two obvious choices are TomTom and CoPilot. Reading through the forum it seems that TT is more popular as there is more chat about it, but most of this is not very positive.
Looking at both products on their respective websites, the CoPilot seems to have a better feature set, including the 'live tracking' which sounds pretty cool
What are your thoughts???
BTW, what is considered to be the best Bluetooth GPS receiver?[/b]

I use Co-pilot 6 having upgraded from version 5 on my Jasjar. It works well and I find very little to complain about (hence lack of posts here I guess). It's ideal to obtain the package that contains their bluetooth GPS sensor for complete compatibility.

As soon as I can, I'm going to grab a copy. TomTom5 works, but its slow, ungainly, over-simplified and otherwise worse than TT3. I can't even specify coordinates.

Had a few teething problems but Co-Pilot 6 is pretty good. I upgraded from 5.
Only bad point so far is the POI's and the confirmation it requires for you to see the maps.
I have not yet tested the LIVE function - maybe I will try it on the way home tonight!
TT5 does seem to claim a lot of posts on here but then I think there are a larger % of peeps using it.

C6
I Got my Pro with Copilot 6 - I like it!!
I 've read sooo much bad press about it - but then TT seems to be a nightmare too. CP6 is pretty good - room for improvement sure but it works! -
well i gotta prob where the voice only comes through on earphone and not on speakerphone - that is annoying.
anyone know how to fix this?!
peace,
lr

You could try uninstalling the speech and then when you start Co-Pilot up again it should ask you to re-install with the language of your choice.
Or try chatting to ALK they are good on the support front. They usually get back to you quite promptly.

Avoid TomTom
TomTom support can be very poor if you have a problem.
They also specify that the software is licensed for one device only. I had a copy installed on my iPAQ and then device broke. TomTom refused to allow me to activate it on a new device.
This means I spent £300 a year ago and now I had nothing.
TomTom maps are alwaus out of date as well Steer clear.

Globalsat SD-502 & The Universal - 2 Retrn or Not 2 Rtrn

Right, So I was stupid i admit it - I brought a SD-502 for my O2 Exec without really checking its compatability.
As we all know - The SD-502 does NOT work with the HTC Universal/JasJar/the other 5000 names it can be called. BUT heres the question:
Do I-
A) Return it and get the TomTom BT SIRF III instead
B) Keep it - because its great and works with brilliance in my XDA IIi (although I have just sold it) and hope that GlobalSat resolve the problem soon.
I really like the SD-502 (mostly because i havent got to charge it) but if they never bring out a driver because they find out it can never be fixed then im kinda screwed. I have phoned GlobalSat and they are well aware of the problem but say they cant be sure of when a driver will be released. The SD-502 has been out for a month and has had 2 new driver releases since - so, so far so good.
Let me know your comments.

Return it - I can personally recommend the holux gpslim236 (sirf iii job as well).
Joe

I use the GPSlim 236 and i haveta say its one nifty lil bugger. Extremely happy with it. If i am not mistaken, its the smallest BT GPS available today and looks great too.
How much was the SD-502 for?

£125 total (inc everything)

£125 including software? I was going to say that was a bargain, but then I remembered that it doesn't work for you.

Yeah yeah rub it in
Its not including the software - I have TomTom 5 seperate!
They have to release a driver to make the HTC universal work with it surely..............right?

You can buy Holux GPSlim 236 for £76 (with P+P) so...
Regards
Chris

GlobalSat BT-338 (SiRF III) works great with my Qtek 9000.

Was going to send the following, then by luck scrolled down 1 more line on the attached page. DRAT
I would reckon that as it says the drivers are compatible with WM5, that you would be within your rights to require the manufacturers to either make the drivers work on WM5, or to request them to take down their claim that the drivers are WM5 compatible. Otherwise then your only recourse is to return the card.
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Try this page: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=33786&highlight=sd+502+work+globalsat
Contact the first poster and see what they are doing. I started looking at the SD-502 because of the post saying that the receiver works with the holder.
Looks like they released the driver 1 week ago
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Gareth

hehe - that was the post that made me buy the 502. Unfortunately the way he wrote the post seemed like it was tried and tested with his JasJar. I contacted him a few days ago to see what settings Alanplum used but he couldnt asnwer. Now I know why.
Obviously this is an easy mistake - as WM5 drivers should make it work. Yet what i have learnt from other threads/forums etc is that the drivers do work with other WM5 devices but its how the SDIO slot on the HTC Universal is accessed that makes it uncompatible with any drivers at the moment.
I really have hope that they might release something soon.............come on GlobalSat.....you need the extra sales for Christmas.

Are there any SDIO GPS systems that would work with the universal? I was thinking about a unit for myself for christmas, but by the looks of it I will be getting a BT one instead.

I would keep it. I have contacted Globalsat engineers and they are working to get a resolution.
Device Used: IMATE JASJAR
Operating System: Windows Mobile 5
Problem or Question: I have installed the 1.32 driver but it still doesn't work with my JASJAR. Do you have a driver that does.
Error Message: N/A
How to Duplicate Problem: Plug it in to a JASJAR
Device Changes: 1.32 drivers from http://www.usglobalsat.com/item.asp?itemid=17&catid
Support Ticket History
Submitted: 12/13/2005 1:16:19 PM
Email Sent to: xxx
Text Sent to Customer: Thank you for contacting USGlobalsat's online care. From the submitted information, we have informed our engineering staff for possible solutions. As soon as information becomes available, a notification will be provided.

good luck alan I use to have the old sido gps for my BA and it worked a treat using the gpslim236 have had no issues so far!

if they are working on a fix, ask what stage it is in > design, build, test etc and see if there is a delivery date.
if not, you may be left hanging for an unknown length of time, whereas the others work now.
also, are you sure about this SDIO lark?

Alanplum - have you got any further information on this?? I think im going to send my SD-502 back tomorrow.....think I have to exchange it though so I cant get a GPSlim as they dont sell me!
Will have to be the new TOMTOM SIRFIII one......thats just a good I hope.

I'm sure it will be if it's sirf III technology inside.
Hope you enjoy it, and prepare for a short battle when you are setting up ;-)

joebongo said:
if they are working on a fix, ask what stage it is in > design, build, test etc and see if there is a delivery date.
if not, you may be left hanging for an unknown length of time, whereas the others work now.
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Agreed. Looks like a standard 1st line support response to me. All they've said is they've passed it on to their engineering staff. Doesn't say if they have actually identified the issue, are working on a fix, or if they've even read the email If it's the SDIO implemention at fault, then you may never see a working driver (e.g. ref: Treo 600 broken SDIO, still not working on 650).

Globalsat has replied to my email - thought I would share:
Hi,
Thanks for the enquiry.
We do not have an exact date of when the SD502 will be compatible with the JasJar. We are looking to have it working by the end of March.
Globalsat UK

I reckon change it for a compatible one, unless you are prepared to gamble and wait around for it to work.

Yeah im gonna exchage it for a GlobalSat BT338

GPS - any suggestions?

Loving my new O2 XDA Mini S, and am gonna get GPS SatNav thingy for it - I can get a 2GB Mini SD card for £25, but can someone recommend a good GPS Bluetooth receiver that works well with it (I'm in the UK). Is sirfIII better than sirfII chips? Do I need 32 channel or is 16 fine?
Also what software do you guys recommend? TomTom? iGuidance? iGo? All I'm really interested in something with spoken directions and something that lets me type in 2 post codes and Go!
What version of TomTom is applicable to the XDA Mini? TomTom Mobile? TomTom Navigator?
Is 6 worthwhile or is 5.21 ok?
Is it easy to install?
Sorry for all the questions, just excited about the prospect of SatNav

Hi there, welcome to the world of the Wizard, :lol:
As far as GPS chipsets go, I think the SirfstarIII is better but I can't be sure.
I always got on very well with a 16 channel BT GPS before it broke so dont be fooled by loads of hype about how many channels it has.
More channels does mean it can lock on to more at once but it isn't absolutely necessary.
Tomtom 5.21 is good enough but I feel personally that 6 is better. Bear in mind that if you would like TT on a landscape setting, it doesnt have that feature anymore so 5.21 is the way to go. Other than that, there are ways around it, it's up to you.
Hope that helps a bit

Jerry-S said:
Bear in mind that if you would like TT on a landscape setting, it doesnt have that feature anymore so 5.21 is the way to go. Hope that helps a bit
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Sorry i disagree with that, it may not have it i the programm but i have my mic button set to switch between Land and Port. I just press that button and it works good in land!!!
To set a button Start, Setting, buttons, select you button at 1. and then select <Rotate screen> at 2.
and now you have landscape for Tomtom 6.0

The holux GPSlim 236 is a very good device, Sirf III so great reception and its tiny.
as has already been said, more channels isnt better, while there are loads of satellites up there due to the curv of the earth you will NEVER get more than 10 sats at once, Ive had 9 and thats the most my device sees.
You also only need 3 to get a lock. 4 gives your position in 3d (so altitude as well) and more doesnt really do much. So any 12 channel reciever is good. But yeah, aim for SIRF III, the quicker lock on and better reception in built up areas is a must.
Im currently using Tomtom 6 and its the latest and greatest. If your getting tomtom then obviously get 6, its actually cheaper than 5 (even cheaper if you know where to look )
I tried route 66 but its too much, Im a techie myself but this program is just stupid, giving you all sorts of useless info on screen and very little map.

funman said:
Jerry-S said:
Bear in mind that if you would like TT on a landscape setting, it doesnt have that feature anymore so 5.21 is the way to go. Hope that helps a bit
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Sorry i disagree with that, it may not have it i the programm but i have my mic button set to switch between Land and Port. I just press that button and it works good in land!!!
To set a button Start, Setting, buttons, select you button at 1. and then select <Rotate screen> at 2.
and now you have landscape for Tomtom 6.0
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Other than that, there are ways around it, it's up to you.
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Disagree with what???
And on that score, if you want to sacrifice your recording button, the next option, "Button 4 (Hold)", assign that to the Tomtom Navigator program and hey presto.

Yes, I have "purchased" TomTom 6 already at an, erm, "good" price, with GB maps.
I'm gonna get a 2GB mini SD when I get paid, and a GPS receiver.
So am I right in thinking ANY Bluetooth sirfIII receiver will do?
Also is it easy to set up? I've read some scary (to me anyway!) stories about registry hacking etc on the XDA Mini S to get it to recognise GPS receivers.

Paiting a BT GPS is easy - just ensure that the name you give it ends in "GPS"..... then TomTom will connect to it .
That was valid for 5.32 - haven't tried 6 yet..
Charlie Grillo

cgrillo said:
Paiting a BT GPS is easy - just ensure that the name you give it ends in "GPS"..... then TomTom will connect to it .
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I wasn't aware that you could rename the connection! Hows that done then?

markmcrobie said:
What version of TomTom is applicable to the XDA Mini? TomTom Mobile? TomTom Navigator?
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To answer the question, the pda version is Tomtom Navigator.
Mobile runs on 'phones'. By that I mean units that do not have a touchscreen.
Well thats my interpretation anyway. I have Tomtom 5 Mobile on a Nokia 7610. i.e. It doesn't have a touchscreen.

I decided to purposefully disregard price for the GPS and got a USGlobalsatBT359. It cost £75.
The reception is fantastic. I can get 8 or 10 sats at high strength if I stick the unit on the underside of the car roof. My TomTom Go barely picks anything up.
The start up time and battery life are great. Just needed to tweak the WM5 registry of the Vario2.
The only thing I don`t understand is the GPS control panel!!!! It does not seem to do much!!!!

And on that score, if you want to sacrifice your recording button, the next option, "Button 4 (Hold)", assign that to the Tomtom Navigator program and hey presto.
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What i've done on mine is assign that button to the voice commander thing so I can run multiple actions by voice by holding in the button.
Not perfect but I found that assigning TT to just one button then left me wanting other things at other times.
David.

I have a Holux (not HOLOX - cheap copy) 20 channel BT GPSlim 236 receiver which is great. A 32 channel receiver may well mean you stand a slightly better chance of picking up satelites but there isn't 32 satelites up there anyway.
The system works by triangulation meaning you only need three to get a lock on your position. The more you see the better though as the lock will be stronger. Many will tell you that due to the curvature of the earth you can only ever pick up 6 satelites maximum, but I happen to disagree.
Tomtom 5.21 is great, got it the other day and I found my way home first time... lol.!
Matt.
p.s Don't forget that GPS works using US military satelites, so if the US feels a bit twitchy i.e. either someone is about to pick on them or vice versa then they can change the coordinates of the satelites meaning over a distance you won't have a clue where you are!!

justinmg said:
The only thing I don`t understand is the GPS control panel!!!! It does not seem to do much!!!!
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Yeah it does but you might not need it.
Say you've got TT talking to the GPS on COM7, that's fine until you now need another app also talking to the GPS at the same time. It can't because the GPS is already talking to TT like a pair of housewives that haven't seen each other for, oh about a day! (ok, nothing like a bit of evil stereotyping eh?).
What the GPS control panel lets you do is share the GPS between multiple apps. You configure the GPS CP to talk to the real GPS via the hardware port number and then create a software GPS port.
You now configure your apps to talk to the software GPS port and the GPS port driver abstracts the real GPS port and sends the data to all the interested apps.
Like I said, you might not need it unless you want multiple apps to talk to the GPS at once. Why might you want to have multiple apps? One example could be a track data logger running at the same time as the satnav.
Or another might be Wififofum doing a wifi wardrive at the same time as running Tom Tom for satnav.
David.

Get the Holux GPSlim 236 and iGuidance 3. Bundled together it's $169 from buygpsnow.com and includes a free Arkon vent mount. I couldn't be happier!
Here's the bundle: Link to bundle on buygpsnow.com

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Get the Holux GPSlim 236 and iGuidance 3. Bundled together it's $169 from buygpsnow.com and includes a free Arkon vent mount. I couldn't be happier!
Here's the bundle: Link to bundle on buygpsnow.com
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I got the same bundle and I love it.

looks like some people have had problems with teh Houlk 236 over at gpspassion.com
I just got a Globalsat 338 and its awesome!! Huge improvement over the SIRFII based CF card GPS I had for my old ipaq.
I also 2nd iguidance. Its cheaper than tomtom5. I don't know which I like more, they both different things well (but Iguidance sure loads faster than tomtom for me). I'm looking forward to trying tomtom6 to see if its a huge improvement

looks like some people have had problems with the Holux 236 over at gpspassion.com. Might have been a bad batch but I steered clear. Hopefully no one here is affected by them.
I just got a Globalsat 338 and its awesome!! Huge improvement over the SIRFII based CF card GPS I had for my old ipaq.
I also 2nd iguidance. Its cheaper than tomtom5. I don't know which I like more, they both different things well (but Iguidance sure loads faster than tomtom for me). I'm looking forward to trying tomtom6 to see if its a huge improvement.
-edited because I type like a 1st grader

I would never buy Holux ever there technical support is arrogant and rubish they turned round and said sorry we dont support the item unless it was purchased from the uk
And would not send me the firmware to flash my gps230 so its now sat in a drawer doing nothing and i have a cheap £40 one thats brilliant BT-GPS
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/8590.htm

How the GPS works for the wizard

I was curious as to how to get GPS working on my wizard. I see some people purchasing a GPS device of some type, but can't the wizard just act as the gps itself? Why the need for a device?
Maybe im just missing something here. If someone could post up to me how it is I can get one running on my MDA i'd appreciate it as that'd be a great help for me when traveling.
T.c.

veritas17 said:
I was curious as to how to get GPS working on my wizard. I see some people purchasing a GPS device of some type, but can't the wizard just act as the gps itself? Why the need for a device?
Maybe im just missing something here. If someone could post up to me how it is I can get one running on my MDA i'd appreciate it as that'd be a great help for me when traveling.
T.c.
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Well congrats this is the 1000000 thread regarding the GPS topic. Ok sorry to be sarcastic but people need to learn to use the search button. As to your question, the MDA does nto have a built in GPS chip. You need a GPS device and software in order to use it like a gps unit such as a tomtom car unit.

... Ya know I did look that up by the way. All the topics I found spoke about the tomtom6, tomtom5, or isomethingmap and people BUYING the device but no one saying WHY they were purchasing it. No need to come into the topic and flame me I did search, I always search and it wasn't like I placed a bunch of half thought out questions in my post either.
T.c.

What you need is a Navigator program (eg. TOMTOM) installed on your Wizard and a satilite receiver (GPS - Wire or Bluetooth (better)). Link your device with GPS via bluetooth or wire, open Navigator program and you are now up and running. It is that simple.

Thank you WLove. That's all I was wanting to know was why people had to have a secular device to have it running (the satilte receiver). Now I see i'm going to need to pick up that 2.gig mini sd chip.
T.c.

I just started using my navman 4410 GPS with iguidance v3 and they work like a charm!

while we are on the topic, anyone have any reccomendations on some bluetooth GPS receivers?

Just thought I;d point out that it may be slightly easier to get confused as to whether the Wizard has GPS or not, as when I rang O2 for my upgrade I explicitly asked 3 or 4 times if it had built in GPS and they said yes. I also stressed it was GPS not GPRS I was asking about. They still said yes. And also I believe one of the chips in the Wizard has some kind of gps related capability, even though it is not a gps receiver, so maybe someone read that also. I know I have somewhere on this forum.
Thirdly, the search function is useless here.

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while we are on the topic, anyone have any reccomendations on some bluetooth GPS receivers?
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Just google for Bluetooth GPS receivers. You'll find loads. I bought the cheapest at about £35. Works a treat. I think it's a generic model sold by many sites. Has a pic of a satellite on it!

Magor said:
while we are on the topic, anyone have any reccomendations on some bluetooth GPS receivers?
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Buy a receiver with SiRFIII chip: quicker, more accurate and better reception than any other chip available on the consumer market. If you want to spend a little less (say about $/€ 50) you could buy a SiRFII receiver. Don't blindly believe claims like "supports up to 20 satellites". In most situations you are lucky to receive 10 satellites or more! Even with as little as 4 or 5 satellites calculating your location is accurate enough for road navigation.
If the software supports TMC (traffic updates free of charge by RDS on certain radio channels; not sure if this exists in the US) you could buy a GPS/TMC combined receiver. Unfortunately TomTom does not support TMC as it has its own paid traffic service.

In regards to the GPS units with the SiRF chipsets, can anyone vouch for the cheap $50 on eBay that are solar/battery powered with linking via Bluetooth or wire? I am getting a T-mobile MDA to unlock for my personal usage and I am highly thinking about getting one, just I wanted to know if anyone had any good things to say about them.
Here's a link for an example: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Solar-Bluet...34QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4668QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I have never ONCE seen "GPS" listed as a feature for any Wizard... I can't grasp why people would ever think it has a feature that is never listed any where :? :roll:

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Magor said:
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Just google for Bluetooth GPS receivers. You'll find loads. I bought the cheapest at about £35. Works a treat. I think it's a generic model sold by many sites. Has a pic of a satellite on it!
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that's what I've been doing, but I'm new to the GPS stuff so I wasn't sure what to get 8)
Thanks to AgentSmith for the info, something like this should do the job for me http://www.engadget.com/2005/06/02/holux-gpslim-236-bluetooth-receiver-reviewed/

Agreed, the Holux 236 is the one to go for. Has the added advantage of using the same in-car charger as the O2 XDA Mini (i.e. a USB style one).
Don't get Holox (cheap rip off), get Holux.
Get SiRF III, not II.
Don't be fooled by lots of channels, 20 is plenty.
And you don't need a 2GB card. A 512MB with high transfer speeds from a decent manufacturer will be far better than a cheapo no-name 2GB one. I have a 512MB with TomTom 6, full UK maps and speed cam database and it only takes up about 250MB.

I've used an Belkin BT GPS (rebadged Fortuna Clip-On upgraded to Xtrak2) on my Ipaq, both over two years old, which worked well with Belkin's version of iGuidance v1.1. So when I upgraded to the TMo MDA (US version) I kept the Belkin and purchased iGuidance v3, which has worked well.
A friend who also owns an MDA wanted a GPS, but since Belkin quit selling this GPS 18 months ago I started researching, and like others here have noted the Holux GPSlim 236 looked like a winner. I'll know for sure next week when she gets the unit, but I expect it to work fine.

That Holux model seems very good, but you can actually find cheaper SiRFIII receivers (less than 100 bucks).
The needed storage space for maps depends on your personal wishes. If you travel internationally often, you might want a 1GB memory chip for borderless maps like Western or Central Europe. Such maps often occupy 900 MB or more. Otherwise a much smaller card for just one or two countries or regions is indeed enough.

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That Holux model seems very good, but you can actually find cheaper SiRFIII receivers (less than 100 bucks).
The needed storage space for maps depends on your personal wishes. If you travel internationally often, you might want a 1GB memory chip for borderless maps like Western or Central Europe. Such maps often occupy 900 MB or more. Otherwise a much smaller card for just one or two countries or regions is indeed enough.
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The Holux one I found for $90
I also already have a 2GB card and TomTom so once I get the receiver I'm good to go

I don't see the point of using the MDA as a GPS without having a powered car mount, since you could run out of battery quite easily. Go to semsons.com and find what's the best for you. I got mine there along with the M3.itrek+itrek mount for MDA+iGuidance3.0 for around $200 (but you can surely mix&match what you need). It really worths. I mean if you can get a phone with so many functionalities for such a cheap price (mine is USD $250, sounds expensive, but try to search and compare the price with PPC phones from other countries then you know what I meant), why not having it does the most for you at the least cost. You might not use the GPS all the time, but will definitely love it when needed.

Advice for noob

I have been interested in getting a PDA phone for a while but wanted to wait till I could get one with SatNav built in.
I went to the Orange shop and they said that the SPV M700 (aka HTC p3600) was the one for me, but when I went back for a second look another guy said it did not have GPS and I would have to buy a module etc....so he really put me off.
Now I learn that Orange has the GPS module working out of the box, so that you can install tomtom and it works!!
The question I have now is does the Trinity work well with Skype over a wireless and/or 3G network? As this is another consideration for me..
Thanks for being gentle

Hi....I have not had a lot of experiance with Skype --- but the Trinity does have a powerful processor that should hold up. Until the next generation of HTC devices come out.
As for GPS -- if it is a P3600 it should have GPS -- but it may not be ACTIVATED. That is easily resolved by upgraqding the ROM. I have TomTom 6 working on mine....the GPS receiver is not 100% accurate -- but good enough. The device is a small size and packs a lot in it.
Hope this helps you.

I have the m700, and it does have GPS. It is certainly not mentioned on the orange site, or on the box, and the first time you see it mentioned is in the instruction book
You don't need to activate it or upgrade the ROM. It is hidden, and there are no icons to press to know it is there, but all you do is set the sat-nav/gps software to look at 'com 9' and it gets data from the gps chip.
I use it with TomTom 6 and it is great. It even picks up satelites while in a building, which is not something my other units ever did.
I don't use skype, but if you download SJphone from www.sjlabs.com , then you can use the device for VOIP, and it works well over WiFi. And the software is free.

Thanks for the quick replies, they have given me confidence to go ahead with getting the M700, perhaps even tomorrow!!
You would think that SatNav/GPS is a feature to be advertised!
Anyway, the "Com 9" is a good tip, as I am sure it will save me a headache when trying out tomtom, thanks PaulusUK