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xda CE 2005 Project

We seem all to be waiting for a version to leak of the CE 5.0 for our devices, and at the same time we seem to think that this will not happen due to the fact our providers are going to want to ship it on new devices and not upgrade the old ones.
Well Mwang put me in the mood to do some searching and this is what I found.
Because Windows CE is in components, you can create a custom version of the OS that includes exactly the elements your particular device requires—no more and no less. Using the Windows CE development tool called Platform Builder, you can create a customized version of the OS, called an "image," that you then download onto your device hardware for debugging. If your hardware is not available yet, you can run your image and debug your applications on the included x86 emulator. That allows the end-user application developer and the low-level system software developer to work in parallel on the same project.
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/getstart/bring2market/plan/learn/windowsce/default.aspx
Well it seems that you can download a 120 days trial version which would mean you would have to flash your device in 120 days.
Windows CE Evaluation Version
Windows CE integrates reliable real-time capabilities with advanced Windows technologies to rapidly build a wide range of innovative, small-footprint devices. The evaluation version is a 120-day trial version of Windows CE, valid from the day of installation. The CD and DVD versions include a copy of Microsoft eMbedded Visual C++ 4.0 Service Pack 4. The Evaluation Edition (download) requires you to download eMbedded Visual C++ separately.
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/getstart/evaluate/default.aspx
Think this is the homepage
http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/windowsce/default.aspx
So what is stopping us ?? Or Cant I read?
Any body in the mood for this??

Downloading now What could go wrong ?

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...50-D311-4F67-9FB3-23E8B8944F3E&displaylang=en
Does this work for you gues ?

I tried this a while back.
Its not as easy as it sounds, firstly you have to correctly setup all the drivers for the hardware.
I wouldnt garantee that it has stuff like the phone apps ready to be compiled in either.
lastly, you have to make it into the correct format for the installer prog, I dont know if the package will output a himaupload.exe compatible rom.
Let me know how you guys do though, it would be nice to compile our own OS!

It's installing on my computer :shock: i want it on my PPC

Well I found a 30 min tutorial on the platform builder and it looks like a lot of the stuff is around (Wifi), What we will miss is the camrea app, but hell its a start.
Ps cant find that link anymore, and the posted link works great.

MDAIIIUser said:
Well it seems that you can download a 120 days trial version which would mean you would have to flash your device in 120 days.
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Im sure it's a 120 days from the day you install it on your Desktop PC :?

definatly not as easy as you think!
i had the older version and i made some images for X86 machines (to make them thin clients)
you need every driver for the device that it will be installed on so theres alot more required than just the platform builder,
check it out anyway, its still fun to use and you can make custom CE's for old PII machines (routers, thin clients etc)

Well Bosjo, would that not give you 119 days to post a BA Rom?

@MDAIIIUser
Well i dont know, but Im guessing that the ROM itself will expire 120 after Desktop installation

@bosjo
Well you better hurry up and do good documentation so that I can rebuild your posted rom in 118 days.

@MDAIIIUser
Ha ha ha, well don't get your hopes up, Im just a plumber that bought a BA to save some time and get projects more organized........... Well that what just to be a laughf, this device has eaten every spare second I have had since the day i bought it, and it's still crappy...............

What? You mean you can use it as a phone, thought it was only good for the pocket solitair, how did you do it? and can I read it on wiki?
You see I am True born again MDAIIIUser and
"I haveth faith in thou"

I've pu the windows CE 5.0 installer in the upload folder

Good job you got this , see your pm

Hmmm... well, if someone can create a ROM that won't expire or brick my device, I'm willing to help with testing...
Let me know if you need me...

hehe. Its impossible to create WM2005 from the stuff offered with the trial WinCE 5.0 Platform builder.
Hint: WM5 has version 5.1. PB offers 5.0

im wondering.. where would you get ALL the drivers from? im sure HTC will not be willing to help us here..

@Manich
I truly respect your post and I am very much aware of not having your knowlege, insight, understanding, hacking competence.
That is why I am amember of this forum, to learn from people like yourself in order to try and get the best for my device. To share what I have learnt with others (I use wiki for that).
So please, please share with us a better idea of how we can get 2005 on a BA. It would save me a lot of time searching on the net, uploading sdk that are of no use as well as moving files on the ftp.
A "it cant be done answer" I could accept if it came from somebody else without your knowlege and I remember reading that somebody wrote something along the lines if it can run it can be cracked (smile).
With alll due respect
MDAIIIUser

Generally it cannot be done as you don't have a board support package for BA or other compatible platform. With lots of hacking and reverse engeneering you can write all drivers and all applications absent from Platform Builder (like cprog, SMS client, SIM toolkit, etc), but it would be only a waste of time. It would take as much time and would be as useless as making a Linux for BA. Better buy a device that originally ships with OS you want.
The only hope for getting WM5 on BA is that some person from MS would offer it or someone would get a device with such a ROM. Even a locked device with a signed ROM would help.

Creating custom on-screen keyboard (SIP)

Dear developers,
Do you have examples (source code) that could be used / modified to create custom on-screen keyboard (SIP)?
Inspired by the iPhone keyboard and the latest HappyTappingKeyboard:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296455
I created my own design (attached) that I believe could be a better on-screen keyboard for our beloved WM device:
- It has a clean layout
- Maximized towards 240 pixels wide
- Relatively good looking
- Have the most important keys in the main layout
- Plan to have "custom keys" in the 3rd layout (the "..." button)
What do you think?
But as you probably know, I am not a WM coder/developer.
So, I am just wondering if someone can provide an example or even better to pick up this project.

gogol, I really like the look of your keyboard design/layout! I've been trying to get HappyTapping to work (well, it "works" but can't be skinned) for the past week on my Axim X50v. Anyway, I don't see much hope for HappyTapping, so naturally I'm excited to see someone looking to develop a keyboard similar to it (and hopefully in the English language). I have no experience developing SIPs for Windows Mobile, but I do have Visual Studio 2005 and have done some WM apps before.
I hope some others with knowledge of SIP developement can chime in and help this thing take off!

cavyman said:
gogol, I really like the look of your keyboard design/layout! I've been trying to get HappyTapping to work (well, it "works" but can't be skinned) for the past week on my Axim X50v. Anyway, I don't see much hope for HappyTapping, so naturally I'm excited to see someone looking to develop a keyboard similar to it (and hopefully in the English language). I have no experience developing SIPs for Windows Mobile, but I do have Visual Studio 2005 and have done some WM apps before.
I hope some others with knowledge of SIP developement can chime in and help this thing take off!
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here's a link to HappyTapping keyboard skins (but in Japanese)
http://briefcase.yahoo.co.jp/bc/tf_....src=bc&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.co.jp/

NNagendran said:
here's a link to HappyTapping keyboard skins (but in Japanese)
http://briefcase.yahoo.co.jp/bc/tf_....src=bc&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.co.jp/
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. I have about every skin out there for Happy Tapping and have tried them all. For some reason, the skin is just never applied to my keyboard. I don't know if it's a conflict with my ROM or with WM5. I know it is skinnable and many have done so successfully without any problems...it pretty much just hates me. Thanks anyway for the link!

Here you got a link about Soft Input Panel. You get a code example when you download the SDK for mobile 6. I'm still working on trying to learn my self C++ and mabye manage to make on my self. But we will se what i manage in the end .

I love Blimkeys. Unfortunately, there has not been an update of it that uses predictive T9 like the T9 SIP pad that's built in into many phones. Maybe you can do something similar to Blimkeys, but w/ 9 and skinnable keyboards?

ialu, thanks for that, I will try to get my hand dirty as well (I am not familiar with C++, but I know other Windows programming language to help me learning).
People are complaining that WM phone is difficult to use, iPhone owners brag their UI.
But I saw a lot of progress on improving the WM user interface.
The finger friendly contact from "tene" is one example (very nice app!).
However, I still cant find a good on-screen keyboard, until we found that HappyTappingKeyboard. But again, I think it can be improved. That's why I started this project.
ialu, please let me know if you can compile that example and then use it in the emulator.
ialu said:
Here you got a link about Soft Input Panel. You get a code example when you download the SDK for mobile 6. I'm still working on trying to learn my self C++ and mabye manage to make on my self. But we will se what i manage in the end .
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gogol said:
ialu, thanks for that, I will try to get my hand dirty as well (I am not familiar with C++, but I know other Windows programming language to help me learning).
People are complaining that WM phone is difficult to use, iPhone owners brag their UI.
But I saw a lot of progress on improving the WM user interface.
The finger friendly contact from "tene" is one example (very nice app!).
However, I still cant find a good on-screen keyboard, until we found that HappyTappingKeyboard. But again, I think it can be improved. That's why I started this project.
ialu, please let me know if you can compile that example and then use it in the emulator.
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Yeah i have managed to run it on the emulator

This is also a good example:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms881221.aspx

And this :
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/02/10/370355.aspx
http://www.marcusperryman.members.winisp.net/BlogStuff/NewSIP.zip

Thats the example that follows the SDK for mobile 6

gogol said:
Dear developers,
Do you have examples (source code) that could be used / modified to create custom on-screen keyboard (SIP)?
Inspired by the iPhone keyboard and the latest HappyTappingKeyboard:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296455
I created my own design (attached) that I believe could be a better on-screen keyboard for our beloved WM device:
- It has a clean layout
- Maximized towards 240 pixels wide
- Relatively good looking
- Have the most important keys in the main layout
- Plan to have "custom keys" in the 3rd layout (the "..." button)
What do you think?
But as you probably know, I am not a WM coder/developer.
So, I am just wondering if someone can provide an example or even better to pick up this project.
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It looks very good, thanks for sharing.
But I would like to use this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427913
Basically I need the bigest keys possible. And only letters.
Anyone can help?
Thanks.

Dumped Samsung F700 ROM?

Has someone managed to dump the rom of Samsung F700???
I've seen some ppl talk about it, that it has the same chip like the kaiser but with the good video drivers.
So has someone tried to ripp the drivers off?? Or has someone managed to dump the ROM?

The F700 doesn't run on Windows Mobile so a firmware dump seems quite useless.

Has someone tried to extract the video drivers??
Edit the drivers so it would be competible or something??

It has been tried from other devices with the drivers and same chipset, yet no easy transfer, but it might be possible with a lot of work and effort.

If we could have a dump that would be awsom !!!!!!!!!

Laurentius26 said:
If we could have a dump that would be awsom !!!!!!!!!
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Too bad no1 has tried to dump it.

THERE IS NOTHING RELEVANT TO DUMP!!!
Guys, this is not a smartphone. There is no windows mobile or linux or any other operating system relevant to what we do here. This is just a standard phone with some fancy things in it.
For all intents & purposes there is no ROM, no EXT_ROM & you can't add applications to it like WM devices!

GSLEON3 said:
THERE IS NOTHING RELEVANT TO DUMP!!!
Guys, this is not a smartphone. There is no windows mobile or linux or any other operating system relevant to what we do here. This is just a standard phone with some fancy things in it.
For all intents & purposes there is no ROM, no EXT_ROM & you can't add applications to it like WM devices!
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Lol you beat me to it. Couldn't said it better Its just a OS using a flash base UI.

Yah... it's a symbian
GSLEON3 said:
THERE IS NOTHING RELEVANT TO DUMP!!!
Guys, this is not a smartphone. There is no windows mobile or linux or any other operating system relevant to what we do here. This is just a standard phone with some fancy things in it.
For all intents & purposes there is no ROM, no EXT_ROM & you can't add applications to it like WM devices!
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Damnnnnnn, there goes one try
Admin plz slot this!

From Expansys:
It supports GSM, EDGE, 3G/WCDMA and also HSDPA going up to 7.2 Mbps. The phone comes with a full HTML browser, Bluetooth, a microSD Expansion slot. The phone doesn’t run Windows Mobile or any other smartphone OS, but it seems to have all the features that any smartphone user would need, except of course, the ability to install new applications.
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However, I just got off the phone with a buddy at Samsung & he has confirmed that it's actually a Custom Java type interface wrapped over Linux.
DEFINITELY NOT SYMBIAN THOUGH

I am just looking at the Files right now and i think it's based on Linux or Java. I Also seen a file where is code for DVB-H Television. If i have an update about the OS i will place it here.

As there are many devices with the same CPU as the Kaiser, this thread belongs in development and hacking more than it does in Kaiser ROM development. Thread moved.

{Updated-12/10/09}[Project] DirectMobile - DirectX Accellerated UI Framework for WM

DirectMobile is a DirectX based Managed UI Framework for Windows Mobile. Aim of the framework is to provide an elegant UI for Windows Mobile devices which is simple to develop against.
Target Platform:
WM6.0+
.NET CF 3.5
Current Implementation:
All graphics rendered in Direct3D. Each DM Application gets access to the rendering device and has one host window. The host window renders one frame at a time. Each frame can hold other elements such as buttons, labels or lists.
Design Considerations:
Sharing of GPU by multiple applications [High Priority]: Ideally a DirectMobile Rendering service must be implemented and applications request rendering via named pipes. This will reduce GPU and CPU utilization.
Remove dependencies on System.Windows.Forms [Low Priority]: To reduce developer confusion, references to Windows Forms need to be removed. This can be implemented via native calls to AGL lib.
Tested Against:
Blackstone: WM 6.5 + Neo Driver Pack r3
Touch Cruise: WM 6.5
WM 6.5 Device Emulator
WM 6.1 Device Emulator
WM 6.0 Device Emulator
Sample Code:
public static void Main()
{
//Start DirectMobile Application
DMApplication.Run();
//Render a new Frame
DMApplication.Current.ShowFrame(new Controls.Frame{ BackgroundColor=Color.Black, ForeGroundColor=Color.White, Title="My First Frame"});
}
DirectMobile on Codeplex

put me down for pre-alpha, alpha, beta, rc tester.

Nice initiative. It is rumoured that MS will let go of Direct3D with the onset of WM7. Is OpenGLES not the way forward?
On a side note, I wouldn't mind beta testing, heh.
Thanks in advance.

Count me in for graphics and ideas (if needed).

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Nice initiative. It is rumoured that MS will let go of Direct3D with the onset of WM7. Is OpenGLES not the way forward?
On a side note, I wouldn't mind beta testing, heh.
Thanks in advance.
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I did a quick lookup and i dont see any references on OpenGLES been used with WM7. If you find something let us know but please lets not discuss this here

Am always willing to test for constructive purposes. Let me know if you need a tester for the HTC Fuze / Touch Pro

i am also willing for some alpha and beta testing!!!! using a diamond

twolf said:
Count me in for graphics and ideas (if needed).
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me too, graphics and usability issues.

wondering if XDA Flame will support this in HW Accelerated mode.
Most of the drivers on Flame are reference BS, slapped from the MS emulator onto the device. Fingers crossed for this one.

Count me in to test it (VGA device, HTC Universal).

I'm in as a developer. I have a decent amount of c# experience.

will to beta test for usabilty and bugs - diamond user.

Count me in. Sprint touch pro

I'm also want to be a tester. Also, can help in development, if free time will be exists.
I'm not try use managed DirectX, only OpenGL small apps for PC.
HTC Blackstone.

I thought about writing something like this a while back - don't have a ton of cycles, but can contribute on the dev side and testing.

I can help with testing this time around. Maybe I can help with developing later on. I'm using an HTC Touch VOGU100

tester
just got a touch pro and can consider as intermediate user .....well i can help out as tester ... do giv me a pm ..... hopefully i can help out n also gain some exp ..... thanks

I will be happy to help with graphics and design. I have helped with the manila - framework.
BTW: my other account it call UknownDev
also I am have some nice TF3D Themes.
So.. I'll be more than happy to help.

nice!
I'm in for testing and graphics!
I own an ASUS P550 (greek WM6.1pro) and will probably switch to an Omnia variant soom.

This seems to me like a great idea!
I'm experienced with C# and would like to help in this project (the development part). I don't have much spare time because of my current job, but whenever I can find some, I'd love to help.
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I've got a Codeplex Id: w0lf

noob question: How to start programming?

Hi all,
Finally I've my HD2 and I must say, I'm very happy with it!
I'm no noob in informatics, I program in VB and VBA and I'm DBA in Oracle and SQL Server. But to be honest, I don't now how to start.
I tried searching the forum here, but couldn't find a thread: how to start programming on a WMO-device.
Thanks already for the info!
Koen
PS for example I would like to program this:
keyboard layout French (AZERTY)
T9 language Dutch

Koen D said:
how to start programming on a WMO-device.
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You start programming for WM the same way you do it for Win32. Just download mobile SDK from Microsoft and you're good to go. You use the same IDE, Visual Studio, for mobile programming, and coding experience is the same, in addition to the fact that a lot of code using WinAPI will just work. There are differences of course with regard to memory management or power management etc., but those are either documented on msdn or are discussed at length everywhere on the web.
VB and .Net won't be good for your purpose though, you'd need native C++ code for things like rewriting a T9 engine I think.

Hey hey!
You can find many interesting postings and topics here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=522
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=260
There are much more. Please look for the "stiky" posts. There are often very usefull informations. Sure, the moderators open some stikys "just-for-fun"... ... but many topics are realy interesting.
Some external sites can help you, too:
http://developer.windowsphone.com/Default.aspx (of course)
and
http://www.smartphonedn.com/
you can became a part of the msdn (winmo special) here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsmobile/default.aspx
When you became a good dev. You should look for 3rd party stuff like:
http://www.resco.net/developer/default.aspx
For the beginning it should be enough.
regards

You can also program in mobile java, which will make your app portable to more devices.
http://java.sun.com/javame/index.jsp

Do you want to be a ROM chef, or programmer?
Or both ?
To just program for the Windows Mobile OS, you can
grab a (free) version of Microsoft Visual Studio 2010/2008
and download the WIndows Mobile development resource kit
from them.
Then you can blast away in C#, C or .NET
If you just want to cook ROM's then look at the kitchen thread.
Look at that thread anyway

Try Visual Studio, VB.NET and the Windows Mobile SDK there it is s

Hi mates, want to ask which is the best programming language for WM? C, C++, C#, VB.Net or something else. I did use C# a lot and can do little thing with SQL Compact. But, it seems lot of the current applications are not require .Net Framework installed on WM. Are they using C++?
Also, is there anything need to be considered for WM Web Programming (such as JavaScript, CSS support)?

siamchen said:
Hi mates, want to ask which is the best programming language for WM? C, C++, C#, VB.Net or something else. I did use C# a lot and can do little thing with SQL Compact. But, it seems lot of the current applications are not require .Net Framework installed on WM. Are they using C++?
Also, is there anything need to be considered for WM Web Programming (such as JavaScript, CSS support)?
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yep. most WM apps use C++, but even the C# apps will run as most of the ROMs contain the .NET fw by default

I have a question as well, are there any free-for-freeware frameworks for touch-friendly applications? Is there a Sense SDK?

bayowar said:
I have a question as well, are there any free-for-freeware frameworks for touch-friendly applications? Is there a Sense SDK?
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Microsoft has an SDK for 6.5's gesture support. I've not got around to using it yet though, so can't comment on it's quality or breadth of support.

Is there something I cant build using C only in this phones?
I mean can I build a complete rom, applications and such using only C?
thats the only lang I know so...

mr_Ray said:
Microsoft has an SDK for 6.5's gesture support. I've not got around to using it yet though, so can't comment on it's quality or breadth of support.
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I've seen that, what about buttons, sliders, tabs, flickable lists and all this stuff though. I've never developed for a mobile platform and I'd imagine starting from scratch with all UI elements steepens the learning curve quite a bit.

siamchen said:
Hi mates, want to ask which is the best programming language for WM? C, C++, C#, VB.Net or something else. I did use C# a lot and can do little thing with SQL Compact. But, it seems lot of the current applications are not require .Net Framework installed on WM. Are they using C++?
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There are pros and cons to using managed code (C#/VB), and the same holds true about native code (C++). The former is much easier for high-level tasks, but you get less control and it may get a bit tricky when you need to access WinAPI not included in .Net CF (although there are usually ways to do it via Platform Invoke). .Net applications start slower, which may be an issue for certain tasks. Native code is (should be) faster, but a bit more complex and you don't have things like automatic garbage collection and so on. Sometimes you need a couple of lines of code in C# instead of two dozen in C++. Sometimes not. On the other hand, writing something like a graphics-heavy game in C# would be a strange endeavor. Some things are outright impossible like writing a system service, AFAIK. All in all, the pros and cons are described at length everywhere, and it's up to you to decide.
bayowar said:
I have a question as well, are there any free-for-freeware frameworks for touch-friendly applications? Is there a Sense SDK?
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In the Development and Hacking section you'll find a C# GUI framework (it's called Manila UI Framework or something like that) made by a fellow XDAer.
bayowar said:
I've seen that, what about buttons, sliders, tabs, flickable lists and all this stuff though. I've never developed for a mobile platform and I'd imagine starting from scratch with all UI elements steepens the learning curve quite a bit.
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If you want non-standard UI elements it can get tricky. For standard UI it's a no-brainer. There are some third-party libraries available. In addition to the C# framework I mentioned earlier, there's Qt (a cross-platform UI framework used by Opera for all their desktop (Linux, Win and Mac) and mobile (WM and Symbian) and embedded platforms including TV set-top boxes) incarnations, Airplay SDK that's a cross-platform framework for Android, WM and iPhone, some others I can't recall right away. They may or may not be free however.

Thanks for the reply, good to know about Qt. I'm vaguely familiar with that, had now idea it found it's way to Windows Mobile.
The Manila framework is called Manila Interface SDK, at least that's the only match I found.

bayowar said:
I've seen that, what about buttons, sliders, tabs, flickable lists and all this stuff though. I've never developed for a mobile platform and I'd imagine starting from scratch with all UI elements steepens the learning curve quite a bit.
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Actually it is not the UI but the SDK that has a steep learning curve. Besides the usual loops and if then else.. you need to know exactly which library does what and there is the confusion as there are a couple of them doing similiar things eg Messaging API. At least that is what I encountered when I first started and I agree that C++ has a huge advantage over C# or VB.net as it can interact directly with the hardware api instead going over in a big circle and sometimes, some functions can't even be achieved using vb.net!

Just install vs.net and catch up on OO by diving into vb.net.
You'll be fine coding in either C# or VB.NET, the BCL for Ce is leaner than that for full blown windows but still very usable. After installing vs2008 don't forget to update the default install to wm6.5 sdk.

siamchen said:
Hi mates, want to ask which is the best programming language for WM? C, C++, C#, VB.Net or something else. I did use C# a lot and can do little thing with SQL Compact. But, it seems lot of the current applications are not require .Net Framework installed on WM. Are they using C++?
Also, is there anything need to be considered for WM Web Programming (such as JavaScript, CSS support)?
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Hi mate,
I reckon c++ so u dont need to redisttibute the framework and your app will run fast, but if u want to write apps with db access net framework is the easy way, I'm in Sydney and I do c++ so PM if u need some help,
cheers,
Hlov

BTW is there some good app for programming in my HD2? taking my work on the go? something like visual studio mobile version?