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Is this a Clone - pictures included

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I am pretty sure it's the real thing, although as in other post I can't get into bootloader, will hard reset etc as normal, I'm really pleased with the phone I just want to be able to re-flash.
Whats the verdict?

hi
seems original to me, not clone. hmmm just make sure real all the sticky, update ur spl uspl CIDunlock etc etc before - should be fine - flashing is never a problem for me since i have XDA II mini

You can see the green of the PCB beneath the battery: it's a clone.
Next to that: on the original, you can pop out the mirror by the camera (on the back cover), then an external antenna can be hooked there.
The external antenna is on a different place on this clone.
The camera is different
The loudspeaker is different.
Screws in the wrong places.
See the shiny bits next to the battery, it is in a gap and they are missing on yours (both gap and aluminium)
And many more telling differences.
So sorry: it's a clone
a real one:

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It's a clone! One more thing: seems that all original HTC are made in Taiwan, your, as can I see, is made in "China". I'm from Italy and both my Elfin and my Blackstone are made in Taiwan. I've seen also a my friend Elf clone and it is made in China too....
Hope this help

Yep -definitely a clone!
Got a legit touch today and can see the differences but I have to say the clone is a VERY close copy and I don't think I'd have known any difference if I hadn't tried to flash it.
Well happy with the new one though.
Anyone want to buy a clone???

well this not a clone
this the new htcp3452
with 128 mb ram

fcukfcukfcuk said:
well this not a clone
this the new htcp3452
with 128 mb ram
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Nope it's a clone, even the owner confirmed it..

p2daz said:
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Just love how you were using iphone to capture the photo.

yeah, thought that was a bit cheeky - have to admit that the iphone is the best phone i have owned - had it for 15 months now, normally keep a phone for 2 months max, sure it has a few bad points but what it does it does very well.
Loving the touch though..

p2daz said:
yeah, thought that was a bit cheeky - have to admit that the iphone is the best phone i have owned - had it for 15 months now, normally keep a phone for 2 months max, sure it has a few bad points but what it does it does very well.
Loving the touch though..
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Hey, just checked with my Touch and I am sorry to tell you that yours is fake.
There should be HTC P3452 under the CE0682..and then on the right side of the picture. There should be a "Cimplies with IDA Standards DB xxxxxx

Err, see post #5 , I already confirmed it myself, thanks anyway

auss81 said:
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It's a clone! One more thing: seems that all original HTC are made in Taiwan, your, as can I see, is made in "China". I'm from Italy and both my Elfin and my Blackstone are made in Taiwan. I've seen also a my friend Elf clone and it is made in China too....
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Is this true ? Mine is made in China and i dont think it is a clone. Is it a clone ?

dazzawright said:
Is this true ? Mine is made in China and i dont think it is a clone. Is it a clone ?
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Check the photos, if your external antenna connection looks like the photo in the OP it's a fake, if it looks like the photo I posted probably not.
But never seen a real elf(in) from china.
If you study the fake you'll see plenty of differences especially on the back (without batterycover)..

dazzawright said:
Is this true ? Mine is made in China and i dont think it is a clone. Is it a clone ?
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I have had windows mobile phones from an E200 to this touch so i am no stranger to these phones..
But this clone of mine had me fooled it is that good, the first thing that started me doubting it is the lack of bootloader and unable to flash, but when i got a real Touch alongside it -it is obvious it's a clone - the first thing is the weight - i'd say the clone is about a third lighter than a real one.
The good thing about it is i opened a paypal dispute and got most of money back and kept the phone.

Those clones are very convincing.
I only saw it right away because I had been playing with the mirror of the camera (which pops out on the real one to uncover the external antenna).
Only then I start looking and saw several differences..
I bet there are many people out there with a clone who really believe they have a real one.
And since the mayority doesn't upgrade their phones they will never notice the difference.
The bad thing about this story is that the clones aren't the best quality, and they will have serious problems, so the people who unknowingly bought a clone will blame HTC when their device fails..

dazzawright said:
Is this true ? Mine is made in China and i dont think it is a clone. Is it a clone ?
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I'm only supposing.... I said that all original HTC I have and I've seen are made in Taiwan and all 4 Elf clone I've seen, including my friend and now my brother ones, are "made in China". Maybe a coincidence, but it's strange....
Please excuse me for my english

hmmm, i am sure mine is legit seeing how I must have flashed about 100 roms to it already. Also, it looks identical the "real" Elf pictures and even has the pop out mirror. the only difference is that it says made in china on it. Maybe i can use this as an excuse to get a new phone just in case it is a clone lol

DAMN! Looks like i have been had too..
Visually its fine, but i have a problem with my newly purchased brick off ebay.
I can not get passed the blue & green "Windows Mobile" screen.
It just stays there. And a HARD RESET will not work for some reason. The confirmation screen wont even show up. Maybe they changed how that works in this copy version..
Can anyone help me bring this phone back? A hard reset or somthing?
I will pay £5 English pound through paypal to whoever gets my phone working again.
Thanks guys!

Jeez, look at the logo below the screen.
Even by this you can tell it's a fake.

Just incase anyone want to know, i was able to fix my clone version when it was hanging on the Windows Mobile screen.
You hold Volume up, camera, then insert pen into reset hole for 2 secs then you see briefly on screen a boot loader menu..
Im not sure if it hard resets automaticaly or if i had to quickly press the middle button. But it worked!
I had to calibrate the sytlus and thats it! Fresh version back again!
Some hope for us who have been conned!

New design on case. Cracks no more!!!

Don't know if this is old news but I just have to speak out my joy. Got my phone back after replacing my case the second time. And finally they have redesigned the case. Hopfully there will be no more cracks on this spot anymore
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what awful crack!...

Strange that the "new" redesigned case has date of manufacture -> 08w39 and the "old" cracked one is -> 08w44... Could it be that they knew it all the time that these cracks will be happening, but instead of mass recall the "cracky" cases they sold all of that saying "What will be will be...."

kaitosan said:
Strange that the "new" redesigned case has date of manufacture -> 08w39 and the "old" cracked one is -> 08w44... Could it be that they knew it all the time that these cracks will be happening, but instead of mass recall the "cracky" cases they sold all of that saying "What will be will be...."
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Thats because it is a sticker on the phone. Not the case.

somehow i dont think its the redesign issue, something else thats unknown must be the problem, my xperia date is 09W08 with the same design as the second pic, still no cracks...

Uh... where's the difference in the design? Can't really tell.

Had a crack in the same place, and now also have the "new" redesign case replacement.

MattKeating said:
Had a crack in the same place, and now also have the "new" redesign case replacement.
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When was this?

ipporek said:
Uh... where's the difference in the design? Can't really tell.
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No sharp corner in the new design. The first thing you learn to not have when you study design. Everyone learns that except the tossers at SE

Paitor said:
No sharp corner in the new design. The first thing you learn to not have when you study design. Everyone learns that except the tossers at SE
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yeah bro SE has the worst designs...

Does somebody have the old design on pic without the crack so it will be easier to see?
Edit: Fixed it. Nobody can miss the difference now.

if you look closely you can see the difference. the corner where the crack starts is different from the one without the crack. the corner is filleted (ie. rounded) where as the corner with the crack is pointed.
i was gonna wait before i send my x1 to get the housing replaced. i didn't see why people would send the phone in for repairs when SE haven't even come up with a redesigned housing yet and just end up getting cracks all over again. but now, it seems like a good time to do so. btw, i've counted a total of 8 cracks on my x1.

azian_advanced said:
if you look closely you can see the difference. the corner where the crack starts is different from the one without the crack. the corner is filleted (ie. rounded) where as the corner with the crack is pointed.
i was gonna wait before i send my x1 to get the housing replaced. i didn't see why people would send the phone in for repairs when SE haven't even come up with a redesigned housing yet and just end up getting cracks all over again. but now, it seems like a good time to do so. btw, i've counted a total of 8 cracks on my x1.
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Good choice. This was my second time I had it on service for a cracked case and if you put it all togehter (had it on service three times) I have had my phone on service for 63 days. That's 2 months on a phone that isn't a year old yet.

time to repair
I have the problem where my phone won't charge unless it's turned off.
But now I also have the cracked case problem.... So I think it is time to repair.
I really love the phone... but at that price, I expect better quality. I just hope they don't keep it too long.

spikegotti said:
somehow i dont think its the redesign issue, something else thats unknown must be the problem, my xperia date is 09W08 with the same design as the second pic, still no cracks...
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When did u purchase ur X1...!!!
Even im Curious to purchase a Black X1 , and when ever i see the issues of cracks i step back.
Waiting for ur advise and suggestions .
Plz guide me coz after such an investment issue's like cracks will be very troublesome.
Thanx
JackBenson

looks like I have the "old" design and no cracks in almost 5 months

lol I see no difference whatsoever. BTW, your's new Xperia has chrome chipping off of it.

poetryrocksalot said:
lol I see no difference whatsoever. BTW, your's new Xperia has chrome chipping off of it.
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It is two pictures of two old xperia phones. One pic that i found on this forum and one that i shoot of mine, with the new case, in almost the same angel so it would be easy to see the difference.
It amazes me that you cant see the rounded corner in the middle of the lower picture

DatDereX1 said:
looks like I have the "old" design and no cracks in almost 5 months
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You are a lucky man. Please tell my how you do it. Is your phone always lying on a pillow on your desk with a bluetooth headset connected to it? Have you not even once dropped it 2 decimeters onto a soft rug?

Paitor said:
You are a lucky man. Please tell my how you do it. Is your phone always lying on a pillow on your desk with a bluetooth headset connected to it? Have you not even once dropped it 2 decimeters onto a soft rug?
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I have the old design.
I have dropped mine more than 10 times. 3 of them hard falls. Not a crack or a scratch on it. I use it all the time, in my pocket, on the desk, in my hand, etc.

cracked screen

Today I broke my HD2 screen
Anyone knows if are outside guides to change the screen like hd2 official service guides and any shop that sell "cheap" (compared to official service) hd2 screens?
thanks for all

Sorry for your broken HD2...
May I ask, how did you manage to break it? I'm asking because it might give us a sense on how fragile these things are.

Sorry for your HD2.
Anyway, how you broke it?

WOW!How did you did that?
Sorry for your screen!
Maybe this could help --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=405566

I use the phone as an alarm clock.
When sounded, I took it to shut it down and I dropped into bed. When going to pick it up accidentally leaned on the screen by making some pressure and I broke it

kersh said:
I use the phone as an alarm clock.
When sounded, I took it to shut it down and I dropped into bed. When going to pick it up accidentally leaned on the screen by making some pressure and I broke it
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Can you share picture with us?
Last night @ the Disco, my HD2 felt out of my hand Iw ould say 150cm above the ground, and it felt down a hard rock floor.
The back cover battery and phones were out, but no dmg thank god!

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Damn! I'm sure it shouldn't be too hard to replace, but if you don't think you can do it yourself better get someone else to do it! It will end up being cheaper than having to replace the whole phone

Hmmm . . .
pympster said:
Damn! I'm sure it shouldn't be too hard to replace, but if you don't think you can do it yourself better get someone else to do it! It will end up being cheaper than having to replace the whole phone
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Doesnt the screen have some electronics embeded into it ?

kersh said:
http://i49.tinypic.com/205a2...
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It (almost phisically) hurts to see this

Som30ne said:
Doesnt the screen have some electronics embeded into it ?
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With most phones the screen is separate from the main board and chipsets etc. As far as I am aware usually the screen will be screwed in but not embedded into it. Though I could be wrong!!..... Just hoping to give some optimism

The screen is replaceable. You're not so lucky, man
Well, seeing this image actually hurts directly to my heart!
Anyway, search on eBay, but I don't think that there is any replacement part as the phone is completely new.

I did the same just now, except it's not the actual glass that's broken but it looks like the screen underneath. That however is completely shot, again, anybody know if it's possible to replace this?

And for those interested, pictures.
Result after dropping from about chest hight on the ground.

alfheim97 said:
And for those interested, pictures.
Result after dropping from about chest hight on the ground.
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DAAAYYUUMm

Repost, sorry

Mine's back with the service repair centre in the UK for a cracked screen and have just had my quote for repair £118.
No one else seems to have the spares.
The screen itself and surround was quoted at £78 labour £22, and the rest is for delivery.
The service centre isn't the quickest it's taken them a week from receiving the phone to give me a quote and then it's 5 days after you pay for them to fix the phone and test the software.
Luckily the insurance is paying

i can't believe!!!!!
i cracked my screen too!!
it falls down from 50 centimeters and the glass cracked in 1000 pieces!! i'll post the picture soon.
tomorrow i'm going to call the italian call center ..

Ouch!
Got my HD2 yesterday, now it has a hairline crack in the screen about 1cm long - don't know how - it's only been in a jacket pocket and car cradle.
Screen too weak?
Edit: O2 shop said it's a scratch not a crack - so much for scratch resistant glass.

kersh said:
Today I broke my HD2 screen
Anyone knows if are outside guides to change the screen like hd2 official service guides and any shop that sell "cheap" (compared to official service) hd2 screens?
thanks for all
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this is really sad!

HD2-hardware-buttons losing laquer and looking crappy - known problem?

Hey guys,
Since a couple of weeks I kept an eye on the HW-keys of my HD2. The laquer on them is vanishing more and more - it looks really crappy and somehow like it was an ugly full-plastique Nokia-phone...
Here some pics (quality isn't too good because the angle is quite tough):
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Has anybody had a problem like this before and if so have you contacted HTC about this?
I'm definitely planning to notify HTC about that and want them to replace these HW-keys on warranty... I cannot accept this on a 600€ phone after 6 months...
My aunt has bought the HD2 recently and I realised that HTC obviously has already brought a new version of HW-buttons (also with phone-button clearly green and the off-button red - which I don't really like much).
Cheers!

Mine are also slowly coming off, but it isn't as 'present' as on yours. I barely use them buttons, but I think with my future switch to Android, they will indeed come off too..
I'm also interested in knowing whether HTC will be liable for this.

de Wolfe said:
HTC obviously has already brought a new version of HW-buttons (also with phone-button clearly green and the off-button red - which I don't really like much).
Cheers!
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That is the US HD2, the european still has the uncoloured buttons. I have had mine HD2 since januari, and do not has this issue with the buttons.

Halle said:
That is the US HD2, the european still has the uncoloured buttons. I have had mine HD2 since januari, and do not has this issue with the buttons.
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No, it's a German Vodafone-device (my aunts one).
Now I contacted HTC telefonically and I have to say: I never heard such a piece of rubbish from any mobile-manufacturer.
"Jenny" told me, that this is a "blamish" (in German "Schönheitsfehler") and I have to live with that, but I'm free to pay for a replacement - it is not a warranty-issue...
Sorry HTC, but if these are your last words, I'm gonna kick my HD2 to ebay and will NEVER buy a HTC-device anymore.

all i have done is scrap it off with my nail job done looks fine now no marks or nothing

That's because of misuse!!
You could protect your phone by placing it in a leather pouch, looks elegant, has the htc mark on it and cheap from ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-PO-S510-HTC...037509?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2a09436285
I've been using it for a while now and the phone is still brand new

sevoflurane said:
That's because of misuse!!
You could protect your phone by placing it in a leather pouch, looks elegant, has the htc mark on it and cheap from ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-PO-S510-HTC...037509?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2a09436285
I've been using it for a while now and the phone is still brand new
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HA HA
Sorry, but I NEVER "misuse" my phones or any electronic devices. I took and take care of my HD2 like it was made of 24 carat gold. And I of course carried my HD2 ALWAYS in a leather case that definitely does not scratch the hardware keys (checked it of course). I even didn't use the HW-keys at all for some time.
Everything I can say is, that I'm VERY dissapointed about HTC's customer care. I mean, the HW-keys are the only part of HD2 that is not made of better material than plastics - and I haven't ANY other signs of ANY usage at ANY part of the phone apart of these HW-keys (photos looking worse than it really is because of the flashlight of my digicam). I paid € 600,- for the phone and I definitely won't accept this barefaced answer from HTC.

the keys are covered and it feels cos of the edges and once it chips it continues all over they shouldn't have done them.
they should have just left them as they are

A wtf over my DHD screen...What should I do?

Hey guys,I just discovered that something has appeared on the upper left corner of my DHD,thankfully over the screen(Look at the attached images).
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It looks like the black whatever-the-hell-it-is behind the screen glass is broken at that point.From what I recall,I have only dropped it one time,but it was from like 40cm onto a wool carpet,so no damage there.The only "experience" that might have something to do with it is that my pal tried to punch me on the leg,and the bastard hit my pocket,where my phone was(the shock I was in was unbelievable!But his hand was aching for like 2 days! ).I cannot know where he hit it,but if it was the upper left corner,then this might be the answer.
I would have known earlier,but I only noticed that some days ago when I watched a movie on my phone in a dark room.In bright light it's not so easily seen.It is,however,annoying to see because it catches my eye(I can't help looking at it when I know it's there)and I am constantly afraid it might expand and cause a serious problem.
Given that there is always the chance it's a manufacturing defect,should I return it?I mean,it's not that big a problem,but it is a flaw in a rather flawless phone!
What would you guys do?Is it worth the trouble?I could always wait and see if it gets worse and get used to it on the way.
Any opinion/help welcome!
EDIT:I forgot to mention that it is only observable when the screen is on,so the light comes from within the device.That's what led me to the conclusion that it's an internal fracture.

Sorry mate but I really can't see **** from your photos. I think you really need to adjust the expose settings on the camera or just use a better camera to begin with... Happy to comment when I can see the problem

Same here man, would love to help but i can't see anything. Better pictures would help.
If some one hit me hard on my leg pfff... If some one hit me hard on my phone, he will be searching for his teeth now....
Jokes apart, it could well do some damage to the phone, it wasn't meant to sustain this abuse on the screen.

Take a better photo where you actually have some back light. I can't see jack in the photos.

I have this too, but to a lesser extent.I don't know what caused this but it was there when I got the phone.It's like a small dot of light leaking.You should take better pictures so we can see better.

At the very least use a paint program to circle what you're trying to show because I'm with the others above and can't see what you're trying to show at all.

Ok,you're all right,pictures are ****,but the only camera I had available atm was my Desire,so you can understand!
Anyway,will take better ones and upload them.Until then,if someone wants to search for the problem,it is a lit scratch-like thing on the upper left corner of the screen's black surrounding!
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MadeInRu said:
Same here man, would love to help but i can't see anything. Better pictures would help.
If some one hit me hard on my leg pfff... If some one hit me hard on my phone, he will be searching for his teeth now....
Jokes apart, it could well do some damage to the phone, it wasn't meant to sustain this abuse on the screen.
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Well,his hand was in pain for two days and his head for like 5 minutes(second was obviously my work! ),so that's punishment enough I think!
Btw,to avoid misunderstandings,the punch hit the phone's back,probably around the speaker(can't be sure about that though),not the screen(which appears very sturdy btw,doesn't need protection).
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Well,these shots are taken with my sister's Lumix,I circled the wtf and now I hope you can see it without problems!
Thanks for your replies guys!

It looks like the screen got loose from the main body of the phone a bit. Speaker is less or more on tho opposite side of that place. My best suggestion is it got ''loose'? Not sure if it's the right word. I doubt it's possible to fix it anywhere except at HTC service center man.

I think its the black finish inside is slightly off. I also think I have the same thing but never noticed it till I compared my display to your pics. Honestly, it does not look like a problem.
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Weird, I had such a problem with my Galaxy S, which has Gorilla glass. It started small, but grew little by little. It even cornered! When you pressed the glass, it became clearer, indicating it was on the inner side of the phone.
My guess: some sort of cutting of the black mask damaged the surface and weakened it.
So I' ve bought a DHD and sent the SGS back for repair under warranty.

archie_658 said:
Weird, I had such a problem with my Galaxy S, which has Gorilla glass. It started small, but grew little by little. It even cornered! When you pressed the glass, it became clearer, indicating it was on the inner side of the phone.
My guess: some sort of cutting of the black mask damaged the surface and weakened it.
So I' ve bought a DHD and sent the SGS back for repair under warranty.
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Well...Holy ****!I can't part with my DHD!Isn't it just better than everything else?
Fun aside,I think I'll leave it as is for now and sent it for warranty repair when I root it(so titanium backup saves everything for me ) or,even better,when I buy a new one.That is,unless it expands and becomes a problem!
Anyway,many thanks guys!
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I've the same problem guys. :-(
I think all the Desire HD have the same problem, and then I don't think it can be solved.
So we will have to live with that "wtf" ...
Excuse my English.
P.S : I'm in France.
You should replace it if you can.

lalgeri1 said:
I've the same problem guys. :-(
I think all the Desire HD have the same problem, and then I don't think it can be solved.
So we will have to live with that "wtf" ...
Excuse my English.
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Well,glad I'm not the only wtf owner!