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TomTom5 Upgrade - How long does it take to deliver

I ordered my upgdrade through the tomtom website on the 17th June and according to the website it's still stuffed in their warehouse.

For me it took about one week.
- Orderd on 01.06.2005
- Packaging Notification on 08.06.2005
- Delivered to me on 10.06.2005
Stefan

German efficiency!! It's famous world over!

I think you're in for a big disapointment...
I tried tomtom5, and went back to 3...

seanrkelly said:
German efficiency!! It's famous world over!
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Maybe, but it was delivered from the netherlands.... ;-)
I´ve had TomTom Version 2 before, and i found the new version really good.....
Stefan

Disapointment?
macsoft, i think you have not tried the TOMTOM 5 correctly. I'm a TOMTOM user as i am a Copilot user. I can say to you that your disapointment coul be by:
1. It´s instable at the moment
2. The Portuguese Maps are not so good as Copilot (TeleAtlas from TomTom versus NAVETEK q3 2004 from Copilot). The version 5 from TOMTOM maps are very accurate in big cities and nearby them in Portugal, but in other regions not so good, instead of CoPilot that almost all the Portuguese roads are there (some of them with no name but they are there to navigate...)
3. It doen´t permit you make a waypoint when you are in an area not coverd by map cartography.
4. It not possible to put a destination by geographical coordenates (latitud and longitud).
The other way, excelent 3d Navigation(by far the BEST) excelent and quickly route calculation,and plenty of otpions. I´ve heard that TOMTOM are going to use NAVETEK maps. If so, as NAVETEK maps are the most complete for Portugal by far at the moment, it will be the best navigation software for pocket PC.

Tomtom 7.9 and Australia maps.

Just upgraded my Tomtom 7.450 to 7.9 on the HD and my Australia maps that were working in 7.450 are now not working. Incorrect activation code. Re-install 7.450 and works again.
Should it work?
Also. what are the diff between the two tomtom versions?

where did you get 7.45 and 7.9 ? I cannot install my 7.0 in HD it says that device is not supported

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PLEASE NO WAREZ TALKING. You cant tell people where to get that.

Lost MAPS????
Same prob, 7.45 working fine however when I upgrade to 7.9 activation code required, any suggestions??

bretto_b said:
Same prob, 7.45 working fine however when I upgrade to 7.9 activation code required, any suggestions??
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No can do legally mate. Only legal way to do it is to buy the new version from TomTom, but they don't sell it for Oz. Catch 22!
The chances are if your unit came with TomTom and Oz/NZ maps, its a hacked (illegal copy).

That would be me, do TomTom charge for the program or the maps? I have switched to Route 66 Navigate 7 which came with an old PDA but I don't want to delete the wrong bit of TomTom.

Kangburra said:
Tdo TomTom charge for the program or the maps?
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In theory both are copyright. The maps are the expensive bit, but you can't buy the latest version from TomTom. They are Sensis maps.

The problem could be the maps ... Are you using a v8 map ? v8 maps only work with the 7.450 version ... The 7.9 version can only use v7 maps ...
Tried it myself ...
Let me know ...

I'll keep it all as a backup, just for information, don't bother with Route 66 Mobile 8, it doesn't work well on the Touch and only activates for one device (the old one was three devices).

TORB said:
In theory both are copyright.
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Not so, all TT software is freely available for download, check the various official fora. Only the maps are protected.

on4cet said:
The problem could be the maps ... Are you using a v8 map ? v8 maps only work with the 7.450 version ... The 7.9 version can only use v7 maps ...
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That may well be the case, but it is completely immaterial. To the best of my knowledge you can not buy a legal copy of TomTom with Oz maps to run on a PDA.

rhtizzy said:
Not so, all TT software is freely available for download, check the various official fora. Only the maps are protected.
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It doesn't come more official than TomTom's own website and on their site, they charge for the bare TomTom software? http://www.tomtom.com/products/product.php?ID=145&Category=14&&Lid=4
If you can find it free on their website, I would love to see where it is located.
All the stuff I have seen looks to be either hacked/cracked/or copied. If you know where it is legally available for free, please let us know.

TORB said:
It doesn't come more official than TomTom's own website and on their site, they charge for the bare TomTom software?
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That's only for NEW software my man, please bare witness to the TomTom Home update procedure which does NOT check or verify serial numbers (as there are none).

on4cet said:
The problem could be the maps ... Are you using a v8 map ? v8 maps only work with the 7.450 version ... The 7.9 version can only use v7 maps ...
Tried it myself ...
Let me know ...
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Not quite so, but the 8.15.2024 maps seem to be the only v8 maps that work for the 7.910

I use v7.910 software with Western Europe 815.2034. There are several more 815.20xx reported to be compatible.

rhtizzy said:
That's only for NEW software my man, please bare witness to the TomTom Home update procedure which does NOT check or verify serial numbers (as there are none).
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I suggest you read the TomTom End User License Agreement. http://www.tomtom.com/legal/?Page=Eula According to that, the TomTom software is protected by copyright.
To the best of my knowledge, there is a serial number. Its called UniqueID and it is located in the file called ttnavigator.bif The UniqueID (which is hardware related and copied in the hacked files,) and needs to be locked to the map files for it to work. In the hacked copies of TomTom, the UniqueID file is a not a genuine UniqueID.
FWIW, when I downloaded an update for my 710, it did check to make sure there was a previous version before it installed. So, as I understand it, if you install a genuine upgrade it will work (assuming the map is the right version,) but if you try and install "an upgrade" as a first time install, it won't work.
In short, I still believe the TomTom program is copyright and not meant to be downloaded for free on third party sites.

True, the unique ID is used to lock the map to the device, but NOT to lock the software to the device. As for upgrading, without a previous version it wouldn't be an upgrade but something new.
As for the EULA, the first line states "This EULA applies to you if you have acquired the Software outside of the United States and Canada."
Copyright does therefore NOT apply.
There are no licensing fees or activation procedures for TT software.
Please rethink your statement.

danum said:
I use v7.910 software with Western Europe 815.2034. There are several more 815.20xx reported to be compatible.
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Oooh, that's good to know! Is there a definitive list out there somewhere?

I found this a few days ago. Credit to the compiler.
BTW about the EULA, there are two English language versions and both include a copywright.

GPS for idiots - what app works "out of the box" ?

Hi
Having tried TomTom 7, Copilot and the "try before buy" Navigon; I found all to be wanting in some way. I have not tried: Garmin XT is fixed to a SD card - I don't want to swop cards; IGO 8 looks good but seems to require lots of fixes.
Is there a GPS application (not google or similar online app) that just works from the box or cab ?
I like the google app but I don't like the high data rates which could get expensive when I'm roaming.
I just want a GPS app that has its own maps on my SD card (16 gbyte card so loads of space available). Does this really exist ?
When I check the official GPS provider sites (e.g., TomTom and Copilot) then they say their product is not compatible with the HTC HD - I guess that explains all the various hoops people have to jump through to get an app working.
I suspect I have to wait until spring next year for the app companies to provide a working HD compatible version ? Or, does anyone know better ??
Thanks & holiday greetings to all, Dave.

You can't compare Google Maps with a navigation solution like TomTom, IGo or Navigon. Google Maps is just showing the area around your current position, whereas the other programs can navigate you through the country.
As far as I know TomTom works just without any work, all others need to be configurated. How to do that is mentioned in the various threads here, so it shouldn't be a problem at all.

johnpatcher said:
the other programs can navigate you through the country.
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Come again? I've been using Google Maps for over a year to navigate me around Brisbane. (No that's not the country but I'm sure it's capable of that.)

Well I can use google to navigate as it has a "show directions" option. I know it is not as sophisticated as the other GPS apps.
My problem with google is it needs a data link which gets expensive when I'm out of my home country (hence need often a GPS) because I have to make a gprs link to have google working.
TomTom does not work on the HD - Version 6 fails to work. Version 7 works fine but there seems to be no way to legally load maps except the single trial map of one city.
Thanks anyway for answering.

bugmeyes said:
Come again? I've been using Google Maps for over a year to navigate me around Brisbane. (No that's not the country but I'm sure it's capable of that.)
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I never heard Google Maps talking to me something like "in 400 metres turn left". Maybe I missed something .
Cheesy Dave said:
TomTom does not work on the HD - Version 6 fails to work. Version 7 works fine but there seems to be no way to legally load maps except the single trial map of one city.
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Then you will have to try get IGo8 or Navigon working.

Here is a new app - anyone use this successfully on the HD ?
http://directions.ltd.uk/pda-navigation/pocket-navigator-8-europe

Does CoPilot work on the HD?
I've got Version 6 currently on my XDA Orbit & was thinking of upgrading

Garmin Mobile XT works great on my HD

Cheesy Dave / Gulioth - I have used CoPliot v7 from day 1 on my Touch HD without any problems. Transferring it from my Touch Cruise took 5 minutes over the air, deactivating and reactivating (something you cannot do with TTN6).
It looks really good on the HD screen and is very easy to navigate through the menus (no pun intended). I am currently using v7.7.0.134 and ALK are bringing an even friendlier version out for the Touch HD shortly. I have used this, TTN6, TTN7 and Telmap Navigator in the recent past and various others going back to routeplanner on a Psion series 5.
Whichever gps software you use, it will always be "short" in some way or other. As far as the HTC Touch is concerned, CoPliot is by far the easeist overall to install, register and use with a touch screen & the maps are fairly up to date. I can also import my own POIs and safety cameras from TTN.

I also gave Garmin XT a try.
One problem though, up until now, i am feeling that there is Lag or the cpu is not following up too fast to show changes, so if i am making a turn in a roundabout, you can see a strange thing happen on the screen.

davast said:
Cheesy Dave / Gulioth - I have used CoPliot v7 from day 1 on my Touch HD without any problems. Transferring it from my Touch Cruise took 5 minutes over the air, deactivating and reactivating (something you cannot do with TTN6).
It looks really good on the HD screen and is very easy to navigate through the menus (no pun intended). I am currently using v7.7.0.134 and ALK are bringing an even friendlier version out for the Touch HD shortly. I have used this, TTN6, TTN7 and Telmap Navigator in the recent past and various others going back to routeplanner on a Psion series 5.
Whichever gps software you use, it will always be "short" in some way or other. As far as the HTC Touch is concerned, CoPliot is by far the easeist overall to install, register and use with a touch screen & the maps are fairly up to date. I can also import my own POIs and safety cameras from TTN.
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Thanks davast. I actually got a copy of CoPilot which was sold to me as CoPilot7 for windows mobile. It turned out to be the specific version for the HTC Diamond.
I think I will wait for the new version and double check this time that the supplier knows what they are doing.
Regards, D.

What's latest CoPilot version? Is it v7? Does anyone know if the next one is imminent?
I own v6 for my XDA Orbit 1 and will probably upgrade rather than purchase new version as think it works out cheaper.
Upgrade = £48.93
Dealer = £59.95

I'm going to try a new one when I get a minute, beta atm but works on my hacked Hermes to wm6.1 and is nice

Gulioth said:
What's latest CoPilot version? Is it v7? Does anyone know if the next one is imminent?
I own v6 for my XDA Orbit 1 and will probably upgrade rather than purchase new version as think it works out cheaper.
Upgrade = £48.93
Dealer = £59.95
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Hi Gulioth, I received version 7 "for the HTC Diamond" which will only load to the internal storage of the Diamond - hence, I returned it as this would not work on the HD.
I don't know the specific current version other than "7". If you have CoPilot Central then you should be able to find it. Unfortunately with the Diamond version there also is no copy of the CoPilot Central.
I have returned the Diamond version and I'm sitting waiting for someone (PLEASE !!) to make a legally correct version work.
If you check here: http://www.alk.eu.com/copilot/compatibility.asp you can see that ALK says the HD is not yet compatible.

I've been using OCN8 (on course navigation) on my HD for a month. It's beautiful and has TTS for enhanced street naming in turn-by-turn directilns. The only problem, out of the box, is it only runs in portrait mode, but it does it beautifully in all the HD high res glory.
There's a thread in the Blackstone section with workarounds for running landscape.

Thanks - that's a new one to me - I will investigate "on course navigation"
Ciao, Dave

Route 66 Version 7 works sweeet for me

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I've been using OCN8 (on course navigation) on my HD for a month. It's beautiful and has TTS for enhanced street naming in turn-by-turn directilns. The only problem, out of the box, is it only runs in portrait mode, but it does it beautifully in all the HD high res glory.
There's a thread in the Blackstone section with workarounds for running landscape.
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Hmmm - this seems to be only USA & Canada according to their site:
Map Coverage USA and Canada.
The latest maps and up-to-date points of interest for United States. Full road coverage with over 10 443 000 kilometers of updated roads, and over 12.3 millions points of interest. Includes maps of Hawaii, Alaska and Puerto Rico.
http://www.oncoursenavigator.com/ocn8_intro.aspx
I did not specify in my original question that I'm based in Europe.
I'm looking for a legally correct GPS application that works "out-of-the box" or direct from the cab without having to tweak xml files or anything else and which is recognised by the software provider as compatible and acceptable. TomTom and CoPilot do not yet list the HD as a compatible device. I also don't want a software that is linked to one micro SD card (like Garmin XT).
I believe that CoPilot will be the right choice when it is HD compatible. I like also TomTom but it seems so difficult to make it work - there are many threads here about the tricks needed to make maps work. I do have TomTom running but only with the sample map. Trying to get TomTom home to accept the HD and legally download new Maps does not seem legally correct now - maybe next year ...

Lol-x said:
Route 66 Version 7 works sweeet for me
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Thanks - that looks good (reading the site now) - it seems to be on Version 8 now.

Cheesy Dave said:
Thanks - that looks good (reading the site now) - it seems to be on Version 8 now.
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WOW - this seems to be a first, a GPS app that claims the HTC HD is compatible:
http://www.66.com/route66/index.php?cid=UK&act=1&prodid=5723

Navigation Software wanted

Halo all,
I'm searching for a compatible navigation software for my new Rhodium (T-Mobile Germany). Important is that I need a map of USA.
All my favorites (Navigon, TomTom) do not offer a map of USA preferably in Germany.
Any tips for me?
Thanks
Pascal

I'm not sure I understand your question. 've never used Navigon, but I certainly know that TomTom sells maps of the USA. Are you saying that you are having difficulty finding out where to purchase these maps from Germany?

Yes, in all german online shops there is no Map of USA.

you could try getting the igo8 standard euro version
http://navngo.com/pages/global/eng/igo_8_description
then get the us map as an extra through
https://www.naviextras.com
'nav-n-go igo8' is known as a nng device on the navieextras site

I've tried Navigon - don't remember why I didn't like it but I ditched it. I have both Garmin and TomTom - both of which I assure you you can get USA maps for (I have them so I know its possible). As for which is the best... Eh... Your mileage may vary. I'm currently in love with the features of Garmin but the positional lag is worse in Garmin than TomTom... I think either one would suit you well, but I'd guess TomTom has a wider array of maps available.

How about CoPilot Live?

At least in the USA, I had the option to buy all of the maps for Copilot Live 8, and not just the North America maps.

masterod said:
Halo all,
I'm searching for a compatible navigation software for my new Rhodium (T-Mobile Germany). Important is that I need a map of USA.
All my favorites (Navigon, TomTom) do not offer a map of USA preferably in Germany.
Any tips for me?
Thanks
Pascal
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I used Iguidance 2009, it comes with an 8Gb card that is tied to the software. If you don't mind using this card, it seems to work pretty well - and it comes with a full set of USA maps.
http://www.inavcorp.com/product/navigation/iguidance_ppc.php

Best GPS program to use?

What is the best GPS program (ie. Garmin, tomtom, etc, etc) to use with the T-mobile version of HD2 for North America (mainly Canada.... especially, West coast B.C.)?

iGO8 with latest maps from Navitel. Covered all states (+islands) and Canada, detailed landscape and POI(even phone # for restaurants) and smart routing (compare with crazy coPilot).

When I go to their site, I see lots of entries for European versions but no US version. Can you provide a link to a US version of IGO8 or is this something where we have to cobble the maps together with one of the IGO8 European versions?
Sorry if this question is dumb or "obvious" but I could not figure how to install IGO8 so am using Copilot.

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thats not free is it?

What do you mean?

Hands down, iGo Primo. I've used Garmin and Copilot, and none of them were as good as iGo Primo.

i use bing.. its free.

Is bing currently for the US only now at this point? I'm using now in here (maryland) but not sure or not if it would work in BC... It's free though.. download the updated version and try it.