The X1a passed the FCC tests and you can find various pdf files about it here.
If you take a look on the "internal photos" pdf file you will see that the Qualcomm chip in it is not the MSM7200A that we are used to by all major mobile phone sites, but the the exact same one as the Diamond, Touch Pro and Touch HD, MSM7201A.
Does anyone have any info if the X1i has the MSM7200A or the MSM7201A?
Any photos maybe? I know the two versions shouldn't differ much, but still it surprised me when I saw it.
Also can anyone make out from these photos any memory chips? Maybe we could resolve the "how-much-memory" mystery that X1 has.
XavierGr said:
The X1a passed the FCC tests and you can find various pdf files about it here.
If you take a look on the "internal photos" pdf file you will see that the Qualcomm chip in it is not the MSM7200A that we are used to by all major mobile phone sites, but the the exact same one as the Diamond, Touch Pro and Touch HD, MSM7201A.
Does anyone have any info if the X1i has the MSM7200A or the MSM7201A?
Any photos maybe? I know the two versions shouldn't differ much, but still it surprised me when I saw it.
Also can anyone make out from these photos any memory chips? Maybe we could resolve the "how-much-memory" mystery that X1 has.
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MSM7201A Is usualy the U.S. version. Just like the TyTN II. The 2nd generation tilts came with the 7201A
Just check you're diveice info.
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MSM7201A Is usualy the U.S. version. Just like the TyTN II. The 2nd generation tilts came with the 7201A
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Yup, indeed. Just found another FCC pdf file linked from another thread here.
I was too fast to jump into conclusions, no surprises at all.
I thought the X1i has a faster cpu than the X1a....?
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I thought the X1i has a faster cpu than the X1a....?
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No, just one that supposedly doesnt infringe patents by not having 30fps VGA .
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No, just one that supposedly doesnt infringe patents by not having 30fps VGA .
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30fps VGA video recording is patented? Gosh! USA and their software patents....
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FYI: Trinity mainboard
great job!! thanks
Superb !!
This ends many speculations and unclarities raised in the past
Great work!
Guys, what's that ATi chip in there? Does the Trinity have some sort of video acceleration?
That would be so awesome.
ATI The Imageon™ 2282
http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2282/index.html
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ATI The Imageon™ 2282
http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2282/index.html
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Thanks for the link.
Probably a real rookie question but did any of the HTC phones before Trinity/Artemis (like Wizard) have a similar ATi-made processor or is this the first?
Videos were choppy at anything above 15fps for me on the Wizard.
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Videos were choppy at anything above 15fps for me on the Wizard.
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The Wizard has a 200MHz OMAP processor. The Trinity has a 400MHz Samsung CPU.
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Thanks for the link.
Probably a real rookie question but did any of the HTC phones before Trinity/Artemis (like Wizard) have a similar ATi-made processor or is this the first?
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The Wizard was very slooooow in almost everything, however it became a little beter after several ROM updates. As far as I remember the Magician had also an ATI accelerator chip. Same for the HP HX4700 PDA, which was also made by HTC. So the concept is far from new.
Radio
I've seen a post indicating that the P3600 has the same FM Radio chip as the P3300, not being an expert do these image back this up ?
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showpost.php?p=498824&postcount=63
http://www.solopalmari.com/images/stories/htc/artemis_trinity/p3600_gpsornot/msm6275b.gif
Why the hell doesn't HTC detail the capabilities with a big caveat about achievables ! People will purchase with a premise of what's going to come with a new ROM.
i didn't see FM radio chip on Trinity from motherboard pictures
sorry Guys no FM chip inside p3600, i had confirm from HTC
Can anyone confirm that the bluetooth chip is the Texas Instruments BRF6150?
I hope it is the same chip as the HTC Hermes.
Then there might come the possibility for Widcomm/Broadcomm bluetooth stack.
See:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285419
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The Wizard was very slooooow in almost everything, however it became a little beter after several ROM updates. As far as I remember the Magician had also an ATI accelerator chip. Same for the HP HX4700 PDA, which was also made by HTC. So the concept is far from new.
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The Magician did NOT have a graphics chip, ATI or otherwise. Like you said, the concept is far from new, but has not been used very often (at least in phone edition PDAs).
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=MagicianHardwareOverview
HELP with HTC P3600 - no Switch
It`s change with a new psot
Hey there,
Was doing alot of research online about the graphic chipset from ATI on Athena but not even ATi has any infomation on their Webby.
Anyone know the specs of this w2284 chipset? Would really like to have more information on the chipset.....
Cheers
i agree with you, i tried to find info on the chipset to but i couldn't so i was like fu*k it and bought it anyways
Interesting thing, I was looking for Intel® PXA270 and found out all things are over to Marvell. Pretty confusing but ATI is just part of that chip, not a special chip
I saw some posts at the Coreplayer (comercial version of TCPMP) forum that ATI has refused to make the specs of that chip available to the Coreplayer developers, effectively crippling the chip for being used my alternative media players.
that very intersting, will i think we all need to find a player that ati likes
ATI W2284 not only for processing video and graphics, but also for handling the camera. Particularly, calculating autofocus algorithms and settings of automatic white balance are done with the help of this graphic subsystem
hmm... i think tt is known.... But if i m not wrong my old blueangel also uses ATI chipset...
problem is like example nVidia's Goforce 5500 is known to have a clock speed of 150 to 200 mhz....
how much is ATI's W2284??? Secondly does it have hardware encoding N decoding of H.264 videos??
Blah blah blah... Lots of qns left unanswered.
Anyone knows??
Cheers....
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hmm... i think tt is known.... But if i m not wrong my old blueangel also uses ATI chipset...
problem is like example nVidia's Goforce 5500 is known to have a clock speed of 150 to 200 mhz....
how much is ATI's W2284??? Secondly does it have hardware encoding N decoding of H.264 videos??
Blah blah blah... Lots of qns left unanswered.
Anyone knows??
Cheers....
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Read here:
http://ati.amd.com/products/handheld/imageonfaq.html
http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2282/index.html
and here:
http://ati.amd.com/products/handheld/products.html
Not very definitive I know, but never really found much else about them since last year and I believe ATI is remaining tight lipped for a reason...also not releasing info to Corecodec so they can support the chipset properly.
Notice also in the 3rd link, 2282 is listed,......but where is the mention of 2284?
I give up with ATI/AMD/Imageon....Imagine if we could get the best out of it via hardware decoding...how sweet that would be.
Just have to settle for using the Imageon driver for now, as it still yields visually better results thatn Rawframe buffer mode or direct draw and outperforms both in benchmarks fo speed.
Sorry can't help any more than that. Good luck on finding anything else useful.
no probs mackaby007......
Hmm i wonder...... mayb W2284 is actually a Modified Imageon W2282...
W2282 supports 3MP Cam.....
bLiTz^ said:
no probs mackaby007......
Hmm i wonder...... mayb W2284 is actually a Modified Imageon W2282...
W2282 supports 3MP Cam.....
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That's what I thought too.
Ive noticed a real delay between image and sound when playing some games.
Games in question are FIFA 2002 from EA Sports and also Smart Tennis from SIMBSOFT.
Did anybody noticed something similar??
Any news? I'm waiting for optimized Ati W2284 driver for HTC Athena... May be it will be supported in CorePlayer...
Any news? I'm waiting for optimized Ati W2284 driver for HTC Athena... May be it will be supported in CorePlayer...
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bLiTz^ said:
Hey there,
Was doing alot of research online about the graphic chipset from ATI on Athena but not even ATi has any infomation on their Webby.
Anyone know the specs of this w2284 chipset? Would really like to have more information on the chipset.....
Cheers
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Hey, thinks for your work.I'm sorry I don't konw how to help you.But i think it maybe like qualcomm 7200's graphics chip.because the first ppc phone base on qualcomm 7200 is kaiser/TyTN II has the same problem as our 7500 at first.but someone solved it by modfy the 7201a driver for diamond for it.and the 7200 is the first product after ati sold the handheld products to qualcomm.so i think they maybe a little like.
i'm sorry for my poor english!
Ok now the funny thing is that i've recorded an MP4 video with a Nokia N95 mobile. When i tried to play it , TCPMP reports an Average speed of 64.85% and it cannot play it correctly. However, on the N95, the Realone Player is able to play it at even 150% speed ( fast forward ) and my PDA is not even able to get the 70%. It's a 2.7mbps video with 640x480 resolution @29.987fps. But how come the N95 with an OMAP2420 processor @330MHZ can outperform a PXA263 overclocked !?
your comparision is irrelevant, because you compare phone made back in 2004 and phone made in 2007. A lot in hardware has changed since 2004.
you can try to compare N95 with TyTN II (HTC Kaiser), and you will see that the Nokia is piece of crap
im comparing a PDA with a cellular phone...
Xeon said:
im comparing a PDA with a cellular phone...
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maybe the cellphone has faster memory.... cpu isn't everything, if you memory (buffer) is the bottleneck...
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maybe the cellphone has faster memory.... cpu isn't everything, if you memory (buffer) is the bottleneck...
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and differents istruction set!
Possibly N95 has hw decoding chip for video for better performace.
and differents OS!
N95 has symbian, BA has WM
comparision is realy irrelevant, they have too much differents
yeah well as a conclusion the cellular phone is capable of what my device isnt
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yeah well as a conclusion the cellular phone is capable of what my device isnt
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yes, becouse it's newer and different respect BA.
N95 vs HTC P3300 ... http://my-symbian.com/s60v3/review_n95_artemis.php
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N95 vs HTC P3300 ... http://my-symbian.com/s60v3/review_n95_artemis.php
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Infact, read this in article:
The processor of the N95 is the ARM11-based OMAP2420 running at 330 MHz, featuring integrated DSP and 3D graphics/video acceleration.
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Okay looked at the Specs on the N95, 5Mp Camera, Built in GPS ... etc etc. This comparison in phones is a useless. The N95 is built up to play media content, its part of its primary selling point (see ramdacBlueAngel's quote). Not a strictly "Cell Phone", just as the BA isn't a strictly "Classic PDA". Both are phones and thats where the comparison ends. Should note, this phone goes for $690 as compared to the BA which goes for about $150. The phone should be compared to phones of the present market.
One things for sure though, I would bet good money the N95 is NOWHERE near as robust as the BA. I bought this phone for instance because it was affordable and upgradable to the newer OS's. The a huge shock comes when I find some angel has made it possible to make this robust phone/ pda WM6 capable. Now thats cool.
The Touch HD uses Qualcomm MSM7200A cpu, same as sony-erricson Xperia X1, but X1 uses GPU while Touch HD is without. The iPhone uses faster CPU (underclocked) but allso has a GPU unit. This makes the Touch HD the worst phone in this range concerning the hardware for anything concerning graphics (like games)
Am i correct?
No you are not.
Diamond, Pro, HD, X1 are all the same.
There is an interesting thread discussing this in massive detail located Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442712
I'm currently using a cooked ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465637) that has better hardware acceleration baked in... Example I can reset device and run VR similation without having to reload 3d hardware drivers described in first link)...
Over time I expect we will see more fine tuning like this.
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No you are not.
Diamond, Pro, HD, X1 are all the same.
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You are right, i was confused as X1 specification had a GPU unit specified separately while HTC devices dont mention anything about it. The MSM7200A has integrated GPU, so basically it is really the same. Ok... i am glad i am wrong
sorry for duplicate reply.. keep getting error 500 internal server error
actually the diamond, pro & hd use the 7201a processor. the older polaris (touch cruise) and kaiser uses the 7200
is this a right choice or i am wrong [samsung omnia 2] has 800 mhz processor instead of 528 mhz [htc hd has ] but does it differs allot in the speed of device and graphics please tell me and does the type of processor also make effect in speed [htc has qualcom --- samsung has marvell ]
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is this a right choice or i am wrong [samsung omnia 2] has 800 mhz processor instead of 528 mhz [htc hd has ] but does it differs allot in the speed of device and graphics please tell me and does the type of processor also make effect in speed [htc has qualcom --- samsung has marvell ]
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I would better think about waiting for the Toshiba TG01! It has a 1GHz Snapdragon Processor and a 4.1inch screen!!!
You can see some preview videos on yout...! The video playback is extremely smooth and programs are starting right after clicking on it.
The TG01 also has a special screen from the television branch for a really good quality!
I´ll sell my Touch Hd next week on ebay and on 29.June or 30.June I´ll buy the Toshiba TG01 exclusive at the German O2 shop.
Ok the homescreen panel is not so beautiful but I am using the SPB Mobile Shell 3 so thats no problem for me
does anyone actually know what the battery life is like on the tg01, that is one of my major concerns.
The processor will make a difference, but the main reason for me to buy the Omnia 2 is the camera.
You won't have Touchflo anymore (at least for some time) but the Samsung software seems to be pretty good, perhaps even better than Touchflo (though I'm not a fan of cube interfaces).
I think the Omnia 2 will be the perfect phone for me with the better camera, a bit more speed and good battery life.
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does anyone actually know what the battery life is like on the tg01, that is one of my major concerns.
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I had already a pre-selling version of the white tg01 in my hands (damn is this a big device compared to my HD and iphone but has as half as the thickness of the HD!!!) but of course I wasn´t able to test the battery life. But I think it´ll be good because you can choose in the options menu of toshiba that the phone should itself automaticaly slow down the procesor if there is not much speed needed and the new screen should also use less battery life (so the man at the o2 store told me that with the screen so I don´t know if it´s real^^)
Does anyone knows any better facts about it?
very impressive processor speed, but how bout the ROM and RAM size. So far I have yet to see any device that matches HD's 512MB ROM and 288MB RAM (other than HTC own Window Mobile range). It may not be relevant but to me, I feel somehow that RAM/ROM play some part too..
I am also considering the Omnia 2. I like the faster processor and AMOLED display,which in theory is much better than HD, especially in outdoor.
However, there is no mention of its RAM or ROM. There is internal storage of 2 - 16GB but not sure if this is the same as ROM.
Also, HTC qualcom is supported by Coreplayer. Not sure if the Samsung processor will be. I know frame rate might not be a problem but if the hardware is not supported, picture quality will suffer.
I am concerned with the build quality of HTC HD as I have to service mine only after two months. A search on the net suggested there are a number of HD users with hardware problems also.
I just hope Samsung mobile phones have better quality.
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I am also considering the Omnia 2. I like the faster processor and AMOLED display,which in theory is much better than HD, especially in outdoor.
However, there is no mention of its RAM or ROM. There is internal storage of 2 - 16GB but not sure if this is the same as ROM.
Also, HTC qualcom is supported by Coreplayer. Not sure if the Samsung processor will be. I know frame rate might not be a problem but if the hardware is not supported, picture quality will suffer.
I am concerned with the build quality of HTC HD as I have to service mine only after two months. A search on the net suggested there are a number of HD users with hardware problems also.
I just hope Samsung mobile phones have better quality.
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i think that the type of the processor also is important not only its speed [like computer processors we have two processors have same speed but one acts faster than the other it depends how it is made and the compatibility of the programs with it
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very impressive processor speed, but how bout the ROM and RAM size. So far I have yet to see any device that matches HD's 512MB ROM and 288MB RAM (other than HTC own Window Mobile range). It may not be relevant but to me, I feel somehow that RAM/ROM play some part too..
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Rom and Ram size is nearly the same! 512MB Rom and 256MB RAM. (I´m talking about the Toshiba TG01
So I´ll wait till it comes out on the 29th this month in germany and then I´ll buy it...
Hey I found someting really interesting: The Acer M900!
What do you think about this device???
PocketNow said the acer felt cheap, and i think it has less memory than the HD, which is a bummer. The only upside about it are US 3g bands.
acer's soft ware sucks and no thing is like htc even the partially good samsung omnia 2
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acer's soft ware sucks and no thing is like htc even the partially good samsung omnia 2
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Did you see the videos of TouchWiz 2.0? Looks like it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo. I think the Omnia II could be a lot better than HTC's phones.
Ok I´ll forget the acer...80MB Ram
So I´ll buy the Toshiba TG01 when it´s available in Germany at the 29.06. and than I will see how good it is. If it´s not good enough I can also sell it somewhere and buy me the touch pro 2 instead of it
I used to have the omnia and would never buy a samsung again. Apart from the excellent camera I hated it particulary because of the poor battery life...I had to charge it everyday. Plus the touchscreen wasn't that responsive and I kept losing the stylus because there was no storage on the phone. Im happy with the HD at present albeit it's not perfect.
I just bought and sold a Samsung i8910 (Omnia HD). Symbian just doesnt cut it as a touchscreen OS for me.
However, the AMOLED screen was gorgeous, even though it was lower res than the HD, it still looked that little bit crisper and more vibrant. Definitely a feature worth looking into for our next devices. Omnia 2 looks the part, but Samsung have notoriously poor resale value compared to HTC/Nokia etc as well as not having ROM cooks like on xda (unless im mistaken..).
The i8910HD would have been the perfect phone with WM (or Android) instead of Symbian....
It's a shame that they put such a bad OS on the only phone with perfect hardware... I hate Samsung for this (but I'll probably buy the Omnia II anyway...).
The i900 Omnia is/was probably one ofthe best-selling WM device ever and there is some ROM-cooking going on, e.g. over at modaco.com.
I think with the Omnia II and Omnia HD, the Samsung community will grow a lot.
What is AMOLED and is it possible to run word excel etc files on symbian?
maati said:
Did you see the videos of TouchWiz 2.0? Looks like it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo. I think the Omnia II could be a lot better than HTC's phones.
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it would be better in some things but not in all hd is bigger in screen touch flo is bitter and easier hd has extra rams to be used for graphics acceleration and enhance speed as said by gsm arena
Well, 0.1" doesn't matter, and it still has the same resolution. It has a faster processor, thus the RAM also won't matter, graphics acceleration will probably be faster.
TouchFlo is nice, but I think the Samsung interface is at least as good, it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo (but doesn't look as nice).
I'm still undecided, maybe I'll stick with the HD and wait for something that's even better than the Omnia II.