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What on earth is going on? I know where talking about 2 different Moblie operating Systems and devices, but he performance difference explains alot in terms of why the TyTN/Hermes....is underperforming in the Video department, especially with TCPMP.
If this is the case with Video, which can easily be measured for performance, how much more are these Hermes devices lacking in other departments.
Apparently the developers of TCPMP at corecodec are aware of this problem, but it seems to be more related to the Hermes itself.
Below are a few screenshots of 2 different Pocket PCs using the same Samsung 400 Mhz CPU but with completely different results.
Also, I would not necessariliy pay the figures too much mind if the Video performance was at least as good as on the Vario I or the HTC Prophet, but it is not IMHO.
Tell me what you guys think. Maybe I've got it all wrong.
I did have it at all wrong. please read up about the ATI thingy in other post.
I'm dissapointed with the speed too. I'm wondering if it's got anything to do with the 32-bit bus used?
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I'm dissapointed with the speed too. I'm wondering if it's got anything to do with the 32-bit bus used?
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Hi bydandie.
You may have a point, but then I'm not having any other speed issues. What were the bus speeds on the Universal and Wizard? Do you know? Also;
Samsung (R)2442A [Hermes]
Samsung S3C2440 [HP iPAQ rx3715]
Both run @ 400Mhz
but as we can they don't appear to be identical processors. I'll google around for some info as I'm no expert, but it may still be ROM specific.
What Hermes variant have you got again? and what ROM version?
I was hoping the upgraded 200 extra mhz over the Vario, would be good, apprently it doesn't sound like the video playback is that much better. What is the video playback like ?
This is down to the Hermes not being able to utilise the ATI acceleration technology (can't remember the actual name) properly.
If you try playing a video in TCPMP with the acceleration on, on the Hermes, you will find that the screen shutters like mad!
So you can only use raw video mode for now, which is pretty slow. (But plenty quick enough for 320x240 videos, i.e. most "pocket pr0n")
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bydandie said:
I'm dissapointed with the speed too. I'm wondering if it's got anything to do with the 32-bit bus used?
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Hi bydandie.
You may have a point, but then I'm not having any other speed issues. What were the bus speeds on the Universal and Wizard? Do you know? Also;
Samsung (R)2442A [Hermes]
Samsung S3C2440 [HP iPAQ rx3715]
Both run @ 400Mhz
but as we can they don't appear to be identical processors. I'll google around for some info as I'm no expert, but it may still be ROM specific.
What Hermes variant have you got again? and what ROM version?
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The Wizard was 16-bit. I'm using the v1605 but with the HTC ROM.
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Hi bydandie.
You may have a point, but then I'm not having any other speed issues. What were the bus speeds on the Universal and Wizard? Do you know? Also;
Samsung (R)2442A [Hermes]
Samsung S3C2440 [HP iPAQ rx3715]
Both run @ 400Mhz
but as we can they don't appear to be identical processors. I'll google around for some info as I'm no expert, but it may still be ROM specific.
What Hermes variant have you got again? and what ROM version?
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Both run at the same CPU speed, but have very different operating systems. According to the screen shot in the first post, the rx3700 tested is running pocket pc 4.21 (2003 second edition IIRC), whereas the Hermes is running Windows Mobile 5. I would guess the rx3700 doesn't have the slowdown related to persistant storage (for example), using some form of flash for memory is going to be slower than RAM.
I have a Eten M600 on WM5 and the samsung 400 proc. the TyTN use also the 400 proc.
When i compare them both on speed then my Eten is much faster in every way. much more responsive. opening and rendering screens.
Altough i prefer my TyTN over the M600, the build-hardware and sound is much better.
I guess it must be the ROM that isn't perfect yet ( and it isn't perfect yet for sure).
I have a Eten M600 on WM5 and the samsung 400 proc. the TyTN use also the 400 proc.
When i compare them both on speed then my Eten is much faster in every way. much more responsive. opening and rendering screens.
Altough i prefer my TyTN over the M600, the build-hardware and sound is much better.
I guess it must be the ROM that isn't perfect yet ( and it isn't perfect yet for sure).
ROM or CPU lacking?
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I have a Eten M600 on WM5 and the samsung 400 proc. the TyTN use also the 400 proc.
When i compare them both on speed then my Eten is much faster in every way. much more responsive. opening and rendering screens.
Altough i prefer my TyTN over the M600, the build-hardware and sound is much better.
I guess it must be the ROM that isn't perfect yet ( and it isn't perfect yet for sure).
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Thanks for your input guys. Luminus your point sounds like there may be hope for us all yet, but having said that, bydandie has switched to the TyTN ROM and I have moved to the I-mate ROM and admittedly we have both both probably experienced some improvements over the ROMs our devices shipped with but the Video playback issue remains, albeit slightly improved too (therefore indicative of being software related).
I spent several hours reading up on the SC32442A Samsung processor and I have to admit, whilst not having enough knowledge to fully understand all the technicalities, it seems that the CPU in the Hermes is one serious 'dude' which is not being used to its Full potential. Apparently its just as quick as a Xscale 520MHz CPU!
I can believe it due to the responsiveness of my device in general (with I-mate ROM), but its just not evident in the Videoplayback department.
I've also tried many differently encoded movie clips like its native MP4 and Divx etc but only negligable differences. I now believe, as posted by bydandie (I think), that its due to the ATI acceleration chip/software not doing what it is supposed and that maybe HTC should look into this as the different ROMs don't seem to make any worthwhile difference in this particular department.
For anyone who's reading this for the first time let me clarify that playback speed is acceptable to watch any well encoded movie (320x240 @ up to 768 kbps) but pausing, forwarding etc then resuming playback is where the problems occurr (for me anyhow). Benchmarking shows that the Wizard (overclocked @240MHz) easily outperforms the Hermes, but not in everything else. Though admittedly I also find the overclocked HTC Prophet @240MHz more responsive all round! Again this seems to indicate that acceleration support is missing across the border.
For the record: I no longer believe TCPMP is in any way at fault. It performs outstandingly on every other device I have ever installed it on, including Samsungs i300 which also had a 400MHz CPU and benchmarked the same videos at well over 300% compared to 120% - 180% were getting on the Hermes!
I give up for now, the problem is way beyond me but hopefully not far off from being found.
Samsung CPU
I'd be interested where you read about this CPU.
It's based on ARMv4 dating back to 2002 and as such is functionally very poor in comparison to the ARMv5 Xscale platforms. This is why it won't allow the current versions of iPlay to operate. It's also unlikely to have the xscale power and performance scaling capabilities as it pre-dated Xscale.
In practise the only thing that has affected me is iplay.
I have just upgraded my 2750 to WM5.
Contrary to what I was told when I purchased the upgrade (many months ago) it is much much faster than the tytn in every respect. It also seems more stable.
For day to day work though - I don't use the TyTN for video - ipod and Archos cover that for me - I find performance very adequate though.
Paul.
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I'd be interested where you read about this CPU.
It's based on ARMv4 dating back to 2002 and as such is functionally very poor in comparison to the ARMv5 Xscale platforms. This is why it won't allow the current versions of iPlay to operate. It's also unlikely to have the xscale power and performance scaling capabilities as it pre-dated Xscale.
In practise the only thing that has affected me is iplay.
I have just upgraded my 2750 to WM5.
Contrary to what I was told when I purchased the upgrade (many months ago) it is much much faster than the tytn in every respect. It also seems more stable.
For day to day work though - I don't use the TyTN for video - ipod and Archos cover that for me - I find performance very adequate though.
Paul.
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Hi again pgamble. I remember you answered an earlier post of mine regarding the CPU. It seems you understand more on these CPUs than I do.
I've provided the linl below to where I read all about the 2442 CPUs (they seem to have variants of it). Hope you understand it better than me. Please let us know what you make of it. Bydandie mentioned that the Hermes uses a 32bit Bus as opposed to the 16 bit Bus used on the first Vario. Do you know if this would negatively or positively affect the speed of data? I would have thought positive, but then I don't fully understand all the technical jargon in the provided link which will probably explain how the technology is utilised.
I hope it doesn't have to share too much of the available data bus/ bandwidth (whatever it is), thus bottlenecking the CPU. I still think at this time its related to the acceleration technology of the ATI Imageon.
http://www.samsung.com/products/sem...ationProcessor/ARM9Series/SC32442/SC32442.htm
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=61370 :wink:
Hermes is a mini-powerhouse!!
Sorry I should have elaborated in that last post which directs you to more accurate information since I started this thread. The Hermes is in fact a mini-powerhouse and even beats the Universal for playback performance under the right conditions.
It's great that the Hermes is powerfull and beats the Universal under the "right conditions"!
But under the "right conditions" DOS beats Windows, it's just a matter on how you compare... :wink:
However, TCPMP still doesn't work as it should on the Hermes. *Standing by for new ROM*
Moskus said:
It's great that the Hermes is powerfull and beats the Universal under the "right conditions"!
But under the "right conditions" DOS beats Windows, it's just a matter on how you compare... :wink:
However, TCPMP still doesn't work as it should on the Hermes. *Standing by for new ROM*
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The ROM ive settled on (imate) will play back no problems with rawframebuffer set for the video output. Admittedly id prefer to use the ATI acceleration but this temporary measure is still ok for me. Sound playback has improved as it does not stutter to a halt after a pause or skip. (for the record im using a 2pass Xvid encoded avi file with 128kbps MP3 audio) this is evident in both the imate and dopod roms......but not the updated HTC rom.
ATI & The Core Player v1.0
I agree with you both (last 2 posts), but from further investigations, it seems that the problem is not related to the ROM either but onlt to the ATI decoder. I've e-mailed ATI in the hope that they can enlighten or help us all. :lol: Fat chance of that I know, but in the ATI Hanheld Interface, there is a version number v2.30.......maybe that can somehow be updated directly if ATI will offer some support or through a ROM update (though it does seem like firmware) .
Anyway all said and done I'm going to keep looking until I find a way to get that bloody decoder to work permanently as it seriously improves all video formats by at least 100% in benchmarking, which means no dropped frames for High Quality encoded files.
Alternatively keep an eye out for the new TCPMP player (The Core Player v1.0) which will hopefully address all these issues within the coming weeks/months. :wink:
Yer i can imagine a ROM update may include an ATI-written updater within it which will sort out the problems. It DOES sound like something that can be fixed though so hopefully soon we will all have it working correctly. :lol:
So, AKU3.3 ROM did fix the problem with ATI, where you had screen going crazy, but there are decoding artefacts which I belive are down to TCPMP/Coreplayer to fix.
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So, AKU3.3 ROM did fix the problem with ATI, where you had screen going crazy, but there are decoding artefacts which I belive are down to TCPMP/Coreplayer to fix.
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Yer, if you look on the coreplayer forum there is a recommended encoding rate etc... but ive still watched videos no problem even using a different encoding rate.
is this a right choice or i am wrong [samsung omnia 2] has 800 mhz processor instead of 528 mhz [htc hd has ] but does it differs allot in the speed of device and graphics please tell me and does the type of processor also make effect in speed [htc has qualcom --- samsung has marvell ]
hoss_n2 said:
is this a right choice or i am wrong [samsung omnia 2] has 800 mhz processor instead of 528 mhz [htc hd has ] but does it differs allot in the speed of device and graphics please tell me and does the type of processor also make effect in speed [htc has qualcom --- samsung has marvell ]
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I would better think about waiting for the Toshiba TG01! It has a 1GHz Snapdragon Processor and a 4.1inch screen!!!
You can see some preview videos on yout...! The video playback is extremely smooth and programs are starting right after clicking on it.
The TG01 also has a special screen from the television branch for a really good quality!
I´ll sell my Touch Hd next week on ebay and on 29.June or 30.June I´ll buy the Toshiba TG01 exclusive at the German O2 shop.
Ok the homescreen panel is not so beautiful but I am using the SPB Mobile Shell 3 so thats no problem for me
does anyone actually know what the battery life is like on the tg01, that is one of my major concerns.
The processor will make a difference, but the main reason for me to buy the Omnia 2 is the camera.
You won't have Touchflo anymore (at least for some time) but the Samsung software seems to be pretty good, perhaps even better than Touchflo (though I'm not a fan of cube interfaces).
I think the Omnia 2 will be the perfect phone for me with the better camera, a bit more speed and good battery life.
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does anyone actually know what the battery life is like on the tg01, that is one of my major concerns.
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I had already a pre-selling version of the white tg01 in my hands (damn is this a big device compared to my HD and iphone but has as half as the thickness of the HD!!!) but of course I wasn´t able to test the battery life. But I think it´ll be good because you can choose in the options menu of toshiba that the phone should itself automaticaly slow down the procesor if there is not much speed needed and the new screen should also use less battery life (so the man at the o2 store told me that with the screen so I don´t know if it´s real^^)
Does anyone knows any better facts about it?
very impressive processor speed, but how bout the ROM and RAM size. So far I have yet to see any device that matches HD's 512MB ROM and 288MB RAM (other than HTC own Window Mobile range). It may not be relevant but to me, I feel somehow that RAM/ROM play some part too..
I am also considering the Omnia 2. I like the faster processor and AMOLED display,which in theory is much better than HD, especially in outdoor.
However, there is no mention of its RAM or ROM. There is internal storage of 2 - 16GB but not sure if this is the same as ROM.
Also, HTC qualcom is supported by Coreplayer. Not sure if the Samsung processor will be. I know frame rate might not be a problem but if the hardware is not supported, picture quality will suffer.
I am concerned with the build quality of HTC HD as I have to service mine only after two months. A search on the net suggested there are a number of HD users with hardware problems also.
I just hope Samsung mobile phones have better quality.
forumx said:
I am also considering the Omnia 2. I like the faster processor and AMOLED display,which in theory is much better than HD, especially in outdoor.
However, there is no mention of its RAM or ROM. There is internal storage of 2 - 16GB but not sure if this is the same as ROM.
Also, HTC qualcom is supported by Coreplayer. Not sure if the Samsung processor will be. I know frame rate might not be a problem but if the hardware is not supported, picture quality will suffer.
I am concerned with the build quality of HTC HD as I have to service mine only after two months. A search on the net suggested there are a number of HD users with hardware problems also.
I just hope Samsung mobile phones have better quality.
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i think that the type of the processor also is important not only its speed [like computer processors we have two processors have same speed but one acts faster than the other it depends how it is made and the compatibility of the programs with it
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very impressive processor speed, but how bout the ROM and RAM size. So far I have yet to see any device that matches HD's 512MB ROM and 288MB RAM (other than HTC own Window Mobile range). It may not be relevant but to me, I feel somehow that RAM/ROM play some part too..
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Rom and Ram size is nearly the same! 512MB Rom and 256MB RAM. (I´m talking about the Toshiba TG01
So I´ll wait till it comes out on the 29th this month in germany and then I´ll buy it...
Hey I found someting really interesting: The Acer M900!
What do you think about this device???
PocketNow said the acer felt cheap, and i think it has less memory than the HD, which is a bummer. The only upside about it are US 3g bands.
acer's soft ware sucks and no thing is like htc even the partially good samsung omnia 2
hoss_n2 said:
acer's soft ware sucks and no thing is like htc even the partially good samsung omnia 2
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Did you see the videos of TouchWiz 2.0? Looks like it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo. I think the Omnia II could be a lot better than HTC's phones.
Ok I´ll forget the acer...80MB Ram
So I´ll buy the Toshiba TG01 when it´s available in Germany at the 29.06. and than I will see how good it is. If it´s not good enough I can also sell it somewhere and buy me the touch pro 2 instead of it
I used to have the omnia and would never buy a samsung again. Apart from the excellent camera I hated it particulary because of the poor battery life...I had to charge it everyday. Plus the touchscreen wasn't that responsive and I kept losing the stylus because there was no storage on the phone. Im happy with the HD at present albeit it's not perfect.
I just bought and sold a Samsung i8910 (Omnia HD). Symbian just doesnt cut it as a touchscreen OS for me.
However, the AMOLED screen was gorgeous, even though it was lower res than the HD, it still looked that little bit crisper and more vibrant. Definitely a feature worth looking into for our next devices. Omnia 2 looks the part, but Samsung have notoriously poor resale value compared to HTC/Nokia etc as well as not having ROM cooks like on xda (unless im mistaken..).
The i8910HD would have been the perfect phone with WM (or Android) instead of Symbian....
It's a shame that they put such a bad OS on the only phone with perfect hardware... I hate Samsung for this (but I'll probably buy the Omnia II anyway...).
The i900 Omnia is/was probably one ofthe best-selling WM device ever and there is some ROM-cooking going on, e.g. over at modaco.com.
I think with the Omnia II and Omnia HD, the Samsung community will grow a lot.
What is AMOLED and is it possible to run word excel etc files on symbian?
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Did you see the videos of TouchWiz 2.0? Looks like it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo. I think the Omnia II could be a lot better than HTC's phones.
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it would be better in some things but not in all hd is bigger in screen touch flo is bitter and easier hd has extra rams to be used for graphics acceleration and enhance speed as said by gsm arena
Well, 0.1" doesn't matter, and it still has the same resolution. It has a faster processor, thus the RAM also won't matter, graphics acceleration will probably be faster.
TouchFlo is nice, but I think the Samsung interface is at least as good, it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo (but doesn't look as nice).
I'm still undecided, maybe I'll stick with the HD and wait for something that's even better than the Omnia II.
Hello Guys!
I know this has been discussed for I don't know how long now.
But I searched over XDA and Google and couldn't find one simple answer for one simple Question:
Why is the Diamond 2 so much faster (more responsive) than the Touch HD even with exactly the same ROM?
I tried Duttys Roms on both, I tried the newest Engergy Leo Roms on both
My Results:
Installing Programs -> on the diamond 2 faster
starting Programs -> the same
Manila -> Diamond 2 more responsive
Booting -> Diamond 2 faster
SPB Benchmark -> Diamond 2 a hell faster!
Video Cam -> Diamond 2 Cam much more smoother
Photo Cam -> Diamond 2 more realistic Photos (Touch HD kinda Yellow/Orange)
Why? I mean I thought those have both the same identical Hardware?
I really like the HD because of its superior Screen and the 3,5 mm headphone jack
I have to make a decision between one of the two devices and I like the hd so much but its so slow compared to the diamond 2
Maybe some of you can help me
I already made a decision against the xperia because its even slower!
Diamond 2 is definately better even tho HD got a bigger screen and a 3,5mm jack..
yeah it definitely seems so but why? same hardware? same drivers?
I'm not sure, but bigger screen means bigger RAM consuming right?
ArtieQ said:
I'm not sure, but bigger screen means bigger RAM consuming right?
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Not if the resolution is the same.
ArtieQ said:
I'm not sure, but bigger screen means bigger RAM consuming right?
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nope..only bigger resolution eats more ram...
their cpus are different
Well on SPB CPU Score they are almost the same but in File Transfer and Graphics the Diamond 2 scores higher!
yeah probably because in diamond2 it is new rom/flash chips and probably they added new gpu
Diamond 2: Qualcomm MSM7200A 528 MHz processor
Touch HD: Qualcomm® MSM7201A 528 MHz processor
so are there any differences between 7200 and 7201?
I would like to know a bit more about this, I'm an ex-omnia user, already sold it and thinking on buying but I cant decide between Diamond2 or HD.
Is there realy so much difference???
yep the diamond 2 is a bunch faster! Go get it
Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
leonb1983 said:
Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
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Return it and buy a Droid.
the touch pro 2 is more superior than the droid. personally id stick with windows mobile.
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the touch pro 2 is more superior than the droid. personally id stick with windows mobile.
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In some ways - most notably the keyboard. In other ways, such as the bigger, higher resolution capacitive touch screen, the MUCH faster processor, and the thinner build, the Droid is superior.
DeekoVB5 said:
In some ways - most notably the keyboard. In other ways, such as the bigger, higher resolution capacitive touch screen, the MUCH faster processor, and the thinner build, the Droid is superior.
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Lets cross out the resolution. The touch pro 2 has a 800x480 screen. The droid is only 54pixels bigger. And at the screen size the droid is at that doesn't count for much.
DeekoVB5 said:
In some ways - most notably the keyboard. In other ways, such as the bigger, higher resolution capacitive touch screen, the MUCH faster processor, and the thinner build, the Droid is superior.
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Seriously 480X800 vs 480 x 854 pixels and 3.6 vs 3.7 is not noticeable at all.
Also the Droid has a 550 Mhz processor while the Touch Pro 2 has a 528 Mhz... I hardly consider that superior. Especially with all the issues the Droid has been getting!
leonb1983 said:
Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
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I'm assuming you haven't looked into flashing a new rom to your phone, this would significantly improve your phone's performance, as far as adding extras to your phone, after flashing a new rom you could install Window's Marketplace (the install file will come with your rom most likely) and download whatever you want just like the Android Market and Apple's Appstore.
You will first need Hard-SPL, read this thread and take care of that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578660
Next, find a compatible ROM for your device, I would recommend this one:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=86491
I don't have a Touch Pro Two, but I have flashed Windows Mobile ROMs for an AT&T Fuze and a Sprint Touch Pro and I know the process is very similar so if you wanna try this and need any help let me know
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I'm assuming you haven't looked into flashing a new rom to your phone, this would significantly improve your phone's performance, as far as adding extras to your phone, after flashing a new rom you could install Window's Marketplace (the install file will come with your rom most likely) and download whatever you want just like the Android Market and Apple's Appstore.
You will first need Hard-SPL, read this thread and take care of that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578660
Next, find a compatible ROM for your device, I would recommend this one:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=86491
I don't have a Touch Pro Two, but I have flashed Windows Mobile ROMs for an AT&T Fuze and a Sprint Touch Pro and I know the process is very similar so if you wanna try this and need any help let me know
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EnergyROM works really fine on HTC Touch Pro. You can easily find that ROM and test. That of course Windows Mobile but You can also try how Android works. Greetings
android 2.0 is the same as these mentioned ROM's
Not clear on the replies. I have a Sprint touch pro2 and would also like Android 2.0 instad of winmo 6.1
How do I get it
thanks
Its windows
First and up most android is better more apps open source larger community cant get done for modding and android looks better. Secondly its windows come on blue screen of death lol. and thirdly last search in google i remember them saying yes you can run android on a windows mobile phone if i find the link again i will post it.
old news android on windows mobile
heresitrunnn on a widows mobile device in 2008!!!!! http://pocketnow.com/software-1/googles-android-runs-on-windows-mobile
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heresitrunnn on a widows mobile device in 2008!!!!! http://pocketnow.com/software-1/googles-android-runs-on-windows-mobile
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Android is phone specific. You need an android build that supports the touch pro2. 1 Rom doesn't fit all. Its the same for android custom roms and window mobile roms. You can't install a touch pro2 rom on a touch pro.
biggest hw difference = capacitive vs. resistive screen. Not sure which (if any) HTC phones have this obviously superior input capability yet...
droids are suffering from build related issues though. Most notably is a BSOD condition that requires connecting up to the charger to fix (even pulling the battery doesn't help). Also the audio jacks are breaking. Sounds a lot like the TyTN was....
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Seriously 480X800 vs 480 x 854 pixels and 3.6 vs 3.7 is not noticeable at all.
Also the Droid has a 550 Mhz processor while the Touch Pro 2 has a 528 Mhz... I hardly consider that superior. Especially with all the issues the Droid has been getting!
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I don't know the exact processor in the Touch Pro 2, but if it is the same 528 processor in the G1, Mytouch, and MoTo Click then the DROID processor is far superior. It is based in a different architecture and actually has a GPU (Separate Graphics processor).
If it is the same 528 processor, then yes the DROID is far superior.
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I don't know the exact processor in the Touch Pro 2, but if it is the same 528 processor in the G1, Mytouch, and MoTo Click then the DROID processor is far superior. It is based in a different architecture and actually has a GPU (Separate Graphics processor).
If it is the same 528 processor, then yes the DROID is far superior.
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The DROID uses an ARM Cortex A8 based processor (the TI OMAP343) while the Touch Pro 2 (and basically all HTC devices other than the HD2) use the much older and much slower ARM11 processor (Qualcomm MSM72xx). Even though the clock speeds are similar (550 vs 528mhz) you can expect real world performance to be 200-400% improved with the OMAP3, due in part to the new ARM CPU and in part to the much better GPU and DSP.
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Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
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And here's how you do it:
http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=470
treyatl2006 said:
Seriously 480X800 vs 480 x 854 pixels and 3.6 vs 3.7 is not noticeable at all.
Also the Droid has a 550 Mhz processor while the Touch Pro 2 has a 528 Mhz... I hardly consider that superior. Especially with all the issues the Droid has been getting!
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The bigger point with the screen is capactive vs resistive, which is a VERY big difference.
As for the processor, mhz numbers don't tell the whole story. The HTC phones use a Qualcomm processor based on ARM11, the Droid uses a chip based on Cortex A8 - the A8 is CONSIDERABLY faster than ARM11 at the same clock speed.
Article on the subject, written by the founder of Anandtech: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/14/core-values-the-silicon-behind-android/
Tp2.....hands down
Isnt this topic called Android on TP2????
I dont see any forum that has a topic called WM6.5 on Android.....Not even close.
So whats far more superior?!? A device that can emulate another os and more.
I think with a custom rom on my touch pro 2 is more than sufficient. The droid technology isn't up to its full potential yet. They are obviously headed in the right direction and the cosmetic aspect is enough to attract the average buyer. But for what counts the most I feel like the droid phones are about a quarter of the way up the mountain.
First off, I apologize for the other people's lack of response to the article at hand. As for the other people who did post links to Android on Windows Mobile, those links will not work as Android installations are device specific. Meaning and installation on one device probably wont work well for another.
Also, for those of you who posted instructions on flashing custom ROMs. While this may be a great idea for the time being, an Android installation can be run on basically any ROM. It doesn't matter if it is stripped or if it's the crap stock ROM. Once the Android image boots, it kicks Winmo off, and all processor and virtual memory goes to Android. So it is not an emulation, although it is booted from Winmo.
The Touch Pro 2 falls under the HTC Rhodium category on XDA-Developers, so most of your information on it, including Android ports, would be listed there. I did a quick Google search and found a thread with a bounty to get support for the TP2, so it should only be a matter of time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596370
I going to buy one of these phones, just cant decide which one, please help me with my decision. just wonder what people think, and for what phone will there be more developers from xda around and so on.
Probably should wait until we have confirmed spec of the CPU and GPU on both devices, or perhaps even benchmarks, in my opinion.
Personally I much prefer the HD because bigger screen = easier to use on-screen keyboard. And with SwiftKey I don't really care too much about physical keyboard nowadays. However the HD seems rather expensive. But then yea it has a better camera and dual flash...
yes those test will be nice to see, it is not so big difference in price between the models, not if you look the sites from sweden, the hd cost around 40 $ more than the Z.
I wanna have one of them directly when they comes out, cant wait. hehe
i am going to have a try of both of them and if the HTC HD is tooooooo BIG i will go for the Z
Some review website wrote that HD is faster and has more memory (768 vs 512).
I'm not sure, I know Z uses Adreno 205 which is pretty decent and I hope hardware Adobe Flash Acceleration is not just a buzz word. Not sure about HD's GPU, how it compares.
Will probably want to see some CPU/GPU benchmarks before making final decision...
i couldnt wait any longer, preordered the Z, thinks its more usefull with the full qwerty.
Found this on Qualcomm's website.
They are probably identical, yet the description of Desire Z's GPU is more impressive
HTC Desire HD:
MSM8255™ and MSM8655™
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/se with dedicated 2D Open VG graphics hardware
HTC Desire Z:
MSM7230™
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
Desire z or desire HD?
Desire z or desire HD?
which one do you pick and why
wasn't the hummingbird getting 90m triangles?
shad0wfire said:
wasn't the hummingbird getting 90m triangles?
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Yep it is. But in theory of course. ;-) I think that SGX 540 is still the fastest GPU solution on the market. But we'll see when G2/Desire Z will be available....
The Z for the keyboard... I'm not a fan of the on screen keyboard... however I am a bit worried of how the keyboard will "slide" into view... I am worried that it might break easily or that the ribbon cable might break.... warranty experience tells me that ribbon cables often takes time to replace....
Something concerns me about this. One sites I have come across is quoting the manufactirers warranty as 1yr for the Desire HD and the Desire Z, whereas it states 2 yrs for the Desire.
Misprint or have HTC reduced their warranty period?
Was thinking seriously about Desire HD, but recently changed my mind in favor of Desire Z.
DHD to me sounds somehow "unfinished" - regardless of the supreme specs. On the other side DesireZ just looks like really well designed phone ... look for example where are the audio plugs on DHD and DZ.
zaghy2zy said:
The Z for the keyboard... I'm not a fan of the on screen keyboard... however I am a bit worried of how the keyboard will "slide" into view... I am worried that it might break easily or that the ribbon cable might break.... warranty experience tells me that ribbon cables often takes time to replace....
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If it's any help, the hardware keyboard on the Touch Pro 2 is very robust.
steviewevie said:
If it's any help, the hardware keyboard on the Touch Pro 2 is very robust.
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I own a Touch Pro 2, and although the keyboard is robust, the OS is not that spectacular.
I bought a HTC Wildfire for my girlfriend, I played with it and it started to love android, I like that phone even more than my Touch Pro 2, so I can hardly wait for the Desire Z.
Does the fact that the desire Z has a 45nm cpu make it faster than the desire HD's 65nm even though there is a 200mhz clock speed differance? Personally i would think it would be faster but not 100% sure. I guess the 45nm chip is a newer chip than the 65nm chip.
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Does the fact that the desire Z has a 45nm cpu make it faster than the desire HD's 65nm even though there is a 200mhz clock speed differance? Personally i would think it would be faster but not 100% sure. I guess the 45nm chip is a newer chip than the 65nm chip.
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I believe the HD has the same CPU as the Z, just clocked at 1Ghz instead of 800Mhz.
xspyda said:
Something concerns me about this. One sites I have come across is quoting the manufactirers warranty as 1yr for the Desire HD and the Desire Z, whereas it states 2 yrs for the Desire.
Misprint or have HTC reduced their warranty period?
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Pretty sure it's a mis-print - still 2 years.
anyone know the root capabilities for desire z? cause if all else fails we could just use set cpu to 1ghz but i really wouldnt think its nessicary.
Desire Z all the way. I have been waiting for a good free QWERTY keyboard since the G1 and I know this is it. Plus with Cyanogen support this device is going to be the BOMB.