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Honest Opinion on XDA EXEC

Hi all,
To be honest, I don't know why many ppl complain about the EXEC.
I have been using mine for a month now.
I never did any rom upgrade, just use the original O2 rom, apart from installing it via the corporate install (o2 ext is too slow and big/useless). Then I notice my speed is quick, everything is fine. Stable and no problem. Even Tomtom 5.1 never failed on my device.
I never encounter the slowliness or bugs that other ppl is talking about with my original rom.
Does anyone else agree with me?
To be honest, I think perhaps the buggy version is the original HTC rom.

I do agree with you. To be honest, I do feel it's slower than my old XDAIIs, but that's probably because the programs haven't been properly optimised for WM5 and WM5 itself is still very buggy. Yet, it's still very useable and I don't feel that it's too slow for regular usage. It has also been perfectly stable!

To be honest for me it sucks..
Changed to corporate install yet too slow.
Available storages (RAM and Flash) to less around 40-50 meg each.
Some of programs doesn't work when installed on SD storage.
And yet to get Tomtom running..
Feeling disappointment with Exec.

slower than my old XDAIIs
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I only saw a glimpse of an Exec in action so I couldn't really judge the speed, but I hope you're wrong about that. The 2s is horribly slow!
The XDA2 performed almost as fast as a device with a 400mhz processor should. The XDA2s had an improved processor and memory and yet managed to be much slower and far less stable. The XDA Exec has a far faster processor and yet manages to run even slower?!?!?! WTF?!?! Does nobody else see a problem here?
Perhaps if HTC tried to make their next PPC slower it will end up performing better? I mean, my 400mhz, 128mb RAM XDA2s struggles to run a simple caller ID program quick enough for me to tell who is calling before they hang up.
My 10mhz (guesstimate) nokia 5110 in 1998 had working caller ID. This leads me to a simple conclusion: either we're lied to about proccessing power and memory specs of our PPCs OR the people who program windows mobile are ****tards. I'm leaning towards the second option
Why not just do soem simple product testing and spend 2 weeks resolving issues before selling these things as a working product?! I'm sure it wouldn't kill them!
Rant over.

I think the slow came from WM5 CE ROM , I did try Dopod 900 ROM flush to O2 Exec the speed better than O2 ROM
Xda IIs if upgrade to WM5 and overloack to 530 that speed better than Exec , but depend how you used and how you look for ,I think you remember how we used pentium II or III or Iv samething will come with PPC.

mike freegan - I'm with you regarding the lack of product testing. I use PDAs and Smartphones from Symbian and Palm so I know what sort of quality one should expect. A lot of PPC/WM5 users (fans?) say that the JJ/Exec is a PDA and therefore we should not epxect too much from the phone functionality. Well I disagree as the JJ/Exec has video and voice calling - why have these if they are not really functional? I am certain the issue is software development, integration & testing. I think we'll have to wait 6 months before WM5 problems have been sorted, in time for Vista! Also regarding speed, this is to do with the hardware architetcure. Using flash memory for persistent storage does make the overall performance slower and the high res screen must require more processing for rendering etc. So I think we need to wait for JJ II or Exec2 for hardware improvements (like more fast RAM).

Don't know about the Exec vs XDAIIs, but my JasJar is a definite step forward from my PDA2K.
I haven't experienced any of the millions of problems being reported either, so I guess I'm one of the lucky ones!

tested a friend's xda exec (can't seem to find a good deal for a universal here in the US) and it works fine ... as for myself, i'm stuck with my o2 xda 2s until a good option for me to get either the xda exec, htc wizard or the sonyericsson p990 ...
since upgrading my xda 2s with O2 UK's latest ROM i've rarely reset my phone. the only major upgrade i did with O2 UK's ROM was to upgrade the radio to 1.13 ... never had any problems with it and use both the blackberry connect and the exchange active sync functions on it and it works fine ...i've used the terminal services and VNC functions on my phone to log on to the different servers i maintain within a local network and from externally and they have a good connections the only issue would be the obvious limitation of screen size .... bluetooth is ok compared to my sony ericsson p910i but the 2s is more of a pda than the p910 ....
can't wait for my next upgrade .... damn if only the US would actually realize that we're 4 years behind everybody else when it comes to mobile technology ....

@difensore, is the Treo 700w an option for you on Verizon using Evdo (which is better for speed then the Euro UMTS)

I'm using JasJar for over one month now, and I can say that it's a fantastic device, there is no doubt there are some bugs, but due to the softwares installed on devices which had no enough time to be tested properly.
If you want to proove this, just hard reset your device, and use it before installing any software and you will see the difference, with me it worked like a charm.
Universal is a fantastic and amaizing device.
It's a new technology, the smallest and the lightest lap top I've ever seen.
Regards,

mike freegan said:
slower than my old XDAIIs
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The 2s is horribly slow!
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This is true if you've left all the o2 software running on it. Without the o2 software and with proper task managers running, it runs as fast as any Pocket PC should. Not as quick as a wish, but enough to function very well as both a phone and a Pocket PC!
This applies to both the XDAIIs and the XDA EXEC, in my humble opinon!
If anyone has removed *every* O2 active application from the startup and it still runs slow, I'd love to hear from you guys!

To anyone who has a M600/JAMin/Dopod....

Ive had my XDA2 for a few years now and finally the size is starting to get on my nerves. Im considering replacing it with a JAMin or equivalent but im worried that the CPU wont be able to keep up with Tomtom5 and Media player running at the same time when im driving. And of course if its worth the cost just to get something thats smaller? Anyone have any thoughts?
Thanks
Andy

To sort out any performance issues go to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=53084
What starts out as an idea in the thread soon becomes reality as the challenge was taken up. If you use the patch in this thread then you should be fine.
I don't have TT5 myself but a couple of guys in my office do and they are happy bunnies even without overclocking.

andmjones said:
Ive had my XDA2 for a few years now and finally the size is starting to get on my nerves. Im considering replacing it with a JAMin or equivalent but im worried that the CPU wont be able to keep up with Tomtom5 and Media player running at the same time when im driving. And of course if its worth the cost just to get something thats smaller? Anyone have any thoughts?
Thanks
Andy
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It will RUN, but the music experience would be appaling as you will hear gaps and skips, escpecially when driving with Bt GPS ON. I'd suggest u buy O2 XDA Atom aka hp rw6800 in your case. It lacks the quality one-hand contol of Prophet due to 2-buttons-less design, but at least it SHOULD(check this first and dont blame me anyway) provide enough performance for the tasks you seek to run as well as it could be overclocked too. Good luck!

TheBrit said:
What starts out as an idea in the thread soon becomes reality as the challenge was taken up. If you use the patch in this thread then you should be fine.
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Which patch?

imo.
Please dont think of buying Prophet, you will get disappoint at its low CPU speed.
I just sold my Dopod 818pro and use my dad's old blueAngle. I found out, blueangle has much faster start windows time( maybe wm5 takes more CPU to start with)
But when I run the Tomtom 5, I found out blueangle is much faster then Prophet ( at least 4 times faster ).
If I were you, I will wait for new TytYN(Hermes), but I dont think Tytyn will be much faster than blueangle or anyother device using around 400 mhz CPU.
I will not buying pocketpc in this year unless HTC boosts the CPU clock and the camera(> 320 mp), at the same time, you can see the GSM phones have much nicer looking and camera.
There r many other chooices, why ppc at this moment?

The HTC Prophet is not a high performance machine, but it runs major tasks well, and TomTom and Media Player concurrently are no problem on my non-overclocked Dopod version. From the German forums we have learnt that there seem to be major performance differences between the different brands that offer the Prophet, and it seems this is mainly due to the use and configuration of ext. ROM programs and settings. So I assume that the ODMs like JAM, Qtek etc. are to blame for the differences between technically identical machines. How else could one explain that TomTom starts within 15 secs after reboot on my machine, but in 60 secs on others. And BTW, Vodafone now sells the Prophet too, from Dopod who is a HTC subsidiary now.

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TheBrit said:
What starts out as an idea in the thread soon becomes reality as the challenge was taken up. If you use the patch in this thread then you should be fine.
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Which patch?
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Patch is probably not the right word.
The guy in the thread wrote a small app to monitor OMAP CPU load and call OMAPCLOCK to adjust the speed depending on what the load is.
If you are running a heavy app, the CPU cranks up, if not, it falls back to prolong the battery.
Edit: I've tried it and it works but as it's still beta - use at own risk.

Windows Phone 7 Series will not support SE X1

Windows Phone 7 Series will not support SE X1
Microsoft is putting an end to free style design and is specifying three variants of Windows Phone 7 devices, that prescribe form factor, CPU, graphics and possibly more. Each variants, or “chassis”, specifies one of the most popular form factors, though we only have specifics for Chassis 1 for now.
Chassis 1 describes the requirements for “big touchscreen” phones. There’s no minimum screen size or resolution yet, but previous rumors suggested 3.6” WVGA. The minimum requirements for the CPU are 1GHz (that’s right - minimum) and graphics hardware is mandatory (Microsoft really wants to ensure a smooth UI experience it seems).
Not much is known about Chassis 2 and Chassis 3. Chassis 2 will have slide-out QWERTY keyboards in addition to the touchscreen (we guess CPU and graphics requirements are the same) and the Chassis 2 devices are said to be Treo-like (strange, because the Treos are bars with portrait QWERTYs, there’s no sliding).
It’s the Windows Phone 7 Chassis 3 devices that have the bar form factor. That would make them Treo-like, rather than the Chassis 2 phones, which sound more like, say, the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X2.
Previous rumors about the minimum hardware requirements for Windows Phone 7 devices also listed minimum camera resolution, GPS, Wi-Fi and even a minimum set of hardware buttons. These vary quite a lot, so we’re not sure about the specifics, but it looks like Windows Phone 7 devices will be inhabiting the high-end segment only.
The first Windows Phone 7 Chassis 1 devices should launch in time for this year's holiday season. There's no word on when Chassis 2 and 3 phones will launch.

This is very old news that both X1 and X2 won't support WM7.

... and yet some people are still asking for it.
(even now when WM7 isn't much more than a concept to the public)

there are even people in hermes forum asking for wm7 roms

The XDA chefs have spoiled everyone lol

I know its a very old news but now its official ;p

Hell, WM 6.5 isn't supported for the X1. Much less WP7....

WM 6.5 isn't supported, but the point is WP7 will likely be IMPOSSIBLE on Xperias.
So long live 6.5 !! (even though companies like Adobe and Skype are already abandoning it)
Is anyone else sad about the demise of Windows Mobile or at least apprehensive about Windows Phone 7 Series?

Demise is too big word I think..
About WM 7 - I feel interested and excited,
but equally afraid of rumours showing it a bit more locked platform.

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Hell, WM 6.5 isn't supported for the X1. Much less WP7....
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What does that mean? I see alot of ROMs with titanium and WM 6.5 traits. Heck, even the Samsung Epix supports WM 6.5, it has titanium + the new and improved start menu and soft keys at the bottom.

poetryrocksalot said:
What does that mean? I see alot of ROMs with titanium and WM 6.5 traits. Heck, even the Samsung Epix supports WM 6.5, it has titanium + the new and improved start menu and soft keys at the bottom.
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If you see an X1 with Win 6.5, it's a hacked phone. There is no official WM 6.5 for the X1. The OP was complaining that WP7 won't be supporting the X1 when there is already no WM6.5 support for the X1 (try calling SE and tell them you're having trouble running 6.5 on your X1 and they'll just laugh at you)

ha, funny, I was just about to ask if X1 can run Win Phone 7
good thing I did a search first
so this post was in Feb, what about now? still can't?

anggogo said:
ha, funny, I was just about to ask if X1 can run Win Phone 7
good thing I did a search first
so this post was in Feb, what about now? still can't?
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I can not see how anybody would want to put such a worthless UI in there phone, The dam UI looks like it was designed by 12 year old lol. But if you want a UI like that try Windows Phone 7 V2 by Fireslave it's pretty much the same except you can't use WP7 apps and etc.. but you can still multi-task haha .

[Q] Is or would there be an WP7 Rom for Blackstone?

hello everybody,
i know that there was an similar thread half a year ago, but i think that the time changed the knowlegde about it.
i know too, that the blackstone doesn't meet the requirements for WP7, because there are more than three buttons on it.
the rom developers would surely find a way to get this still working, wouldn't they?
thanks for reply,
apo

hope so it can be developed
but it would be like running window 7 with pentium 3

Come on guy. WM6.5 is laggy already on Blackstone, what do you think about WM7 hardware specs 1Ghz at least 'd give???

That WM6.5 seem to be laggy on the Blackstone is in my opinion already a myth. On my old Qtec2020 ran WM6.5 without (any) Problem and on my Blackstone is it like a dream.
Ok, the performance schould be laggy but for the kids here is WM7 like a new toy
Thanks here for all the devs which spend so much time for progging,
and thanks for all the wifes which spend so less time with their husbands...
SPOOKY

WM7 won't be able to run properly on the HD, mainly as you need a capacitive screen which the HD hasn't got. You may eventually get some parts of it working, but it would be like running Windows XP on the Spectrum. They just aren't compatible so would never function properly

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WM7 won't be able to run properly on the HD, mainly as you need a capacitive screen which the HD hasn't got. You may eventually get some parts of it working, but it would be like running Windows XP on the Spectrum. They just aren't compatible so would never function properly
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Well, if we could overclock HD, it would run without any trouble. Also HD needs proper 3d drivers.
Capacitive screen isn't really needed, most functions can be ported to work on resistive screens too. How about east countries where write recognition is a must?
What we really need, is a group of talented developers.

My experince with windows 8 dev preview, and a quick question?

Hello xda, as ive seen all the buzz of windows 8, i thought id download the windows 8 dev preview and check out what the fuss is all about. so i downloaded the 64 bit version (i dont know if this has anything to do with it) but i launched it in VMware 8, installed it and got it running. now in VMware it was a bit sluggish due to my overclocked i5-760 at 4Ghz/Core, and my 4 gigs of ram, but was able to use it and see the visuals. it does look nice, i like the whole "tablet" menu to swipe between different applications and windows, but for a PC, i would not use it as it seems more for portability, that is if they don't release a more "desktop friendly" version. Which brings me to my next question, i have a dell XPS (m1330) its got a core 2 duo at 1.7Ghz and 4 gigs of ram, do you think that bad boy would handle windows 8?

I'm running windows 8 on viewpad 10 1-6ghz CPU and 2ghz memory runs fine so u should have no problems
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running it on a 6 year old pc...nuff said

I installed it as a dualboot on a dual core AMD with 4gb of ram and it runs like it should do smooth and everything is working.
I'm still exploring a bit but i must say metro interface is good for a tablet but not as regular pc. Now it would be nice to make a tab and phone communicate flawless with eachother but hetime wil tel.
At first a bit getting used to but now i can say :
Cant wait for final release.
Keep it up devsto make it run.

Should i install Windows 8?
I have Windows7 on my 6 Year old Pc..
Can i upgrade?
Cause i have Very Important things on my Pc , and no USB STick XD

wow, impressive, thanks guys installing it now!
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Should i install Windows 8?
I have Windows7 on my 6 Year old Pc..
Can i upgrade?
Cause i have Very Important things on my Pc , and no USB STick XD
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this is a dev preview, so i wouldnt use it as a main os just yet, id wait when beta or RC comes out.

007gamer said:
Should i install Windows 8?
I have Windows7 on my 6 Year old Pc..
Can i upgrade?
Cause i have Very Important things on my Pc , and no USB STick XD
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This is a developer preview. There is only one reasons why anybody might want to install it:
You are a developer and want to develop metro UI apps.
I know that there are also people who are interested in trying out the new UI and nobody can stop them from using it, but then most people (and developers as well) install it either on a second machine, a virtual machine or use another HDD.
The thing is that Windows 8 is still pre-Beta so it might cause problems or lead to data loss. You should not use this preview on your main machine and definitly not upgrade your main machine to it without securing the data.
That said, windows 8 uses less resources than Windows 7, so if your PC is really slow with Windows 7 Windows 8 MIGHT improve this a little bit, but better wait for Windows 8 to RTM.

Currently using it on my Asus Pc Slate & the experiences is good, though installed as a VHD to produce dual boot for window 7 & win 8 dev build.

I am using Windows XP Professional on my 2GB 1.66 GHZ machine..Whether I can go for Windows 8..??
I am a developer and I make Android as well as some web apps..I am really bothered whether upgrading to Windows 8 will affect eclipse or xampp..

joeyxl said:
core 2 duo at 1.7Ghz and 4 gigs of ram, do you think that bad boy would handle windows 8?
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It will work without problem.

I am running it on a VMware, and frankly, hate the Metro UI. Don`t find it appropriate for a desktop. I sure hope that in future builds there will be a userfriendly option to completley deactivate it.

it looks cool, but not for laptops or pc's
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joeyxl said:
it looks cool, but not for laptops or pc's
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Well, its just matter of get use to it...

Windows 8 has the same system requirements as Windows 7 (actually lower). Microsoft did a great job optimizing the core of the OS.
As far as using it as your Desktop OS, well. the Desktop is still there, the big difference is in the way you launch your desktop applications. with Windows 7, you typically use the Start Menu or pinned items on your taskbar. In Windows 8, you either use the Start Screen, pinned items, or you can use search--click on the Start button and begin typing. it's that easy.

domineus said:
running it on a 6 year old pc...nuff said
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Don't lie! You got this on Gizmodo, huh?

I'm actually surprised by how well metro ui worked for me. I was skeptical about the whole tiles on laptop/desktop thing, but after a few minutes of fiddling around, I was able to use it quite efficiently without too much issue during work. Am quite satisfied with it, again, to my surprise.

I don´t know why the people think that´s not good for Pc. In my opinión the interface is better for Tablet and for PC too. It´s only matter of habit.
Why is better look for a progam in a List? I prefer see the shorcut on the desktop with a good look (Windows 8) and no like old shorcuts on old desktop (Windows 7).
Of course the widget are better, and the desktop look great. This is only a pre beta version and is neccesary improve.
Good luck

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Don't lie! You got this on Gizmodo, huh?
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dell ispiron 1405
that's 6 years old and windows 8 runs excellent on it

Running on my Acer Aspire 4736G, dual-booted... 10 seconds boot is so nifty but ****... Microsoft trying to cheat us by hibernating the com instead shutting down?
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