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Seems that WinMo lack of good stuffs... You know that WinMo based devices are equipped with touch screen, but why. WHY even the same app, the iPhone one got really nice GUI than WinMo one?
Try to google some apps that available on both iPhone and WinMo. Even though they got same functionality, the iPhone one got nicer GUI than WinMo.
The WinMo one always got SUCK GUI... That's really not right...
and I hope the first answer isn't just: Buy iPhone instead of complaining. And if you call yourselves a bunch of good programmer then make a program with nice interface like iPhone's apps instead of ordinary conventional WinMo apps...
the only ewplanation dude is that WM phones are corporate oriented instead of the Iphone.
Apple also spend lot of money in advertising to let people know about the iphone and hire lots of sbcontractors in order to develop games and apps.... so that is why lots of programmer and designer are working with the Iphone...
But I think this is going to change in the next future as HTC finally understood that the need to spent money on advertising
Nice answer... thanks... ^^
But, you know moTweets right?
The super cheap Twitter client (only US$3.99) that Panoramic Software developed.
It has a very nice GUI like iPhone, got complete and perfectly-working feature as well.
And this morning I asked Panoramic to develop Facebook application as well, since there is no single good/decent Facebook application for WinMo yet.
I asked them to make Facebook application for WinMo with nice GUI like moTweets and the functionality like Facebook for BlackBerry.
And here's their answer to my idea (we had conversation via Twitter) @PanoramicSoft: "We will definitely consider creating a Facebook app for WinMo. Thanks."
So, just tweet them and give them a vote.
They're surveying whether they need to develop this app or not.
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And this morning I asked Panoramic to develop Facebook application as well, since there is no single good/decent Facebook application for WinMo yet.
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Yes there is. Microsoft developed one.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/downloads/facebook.mspx
Yup, I'm aware of that software. But is it a good one? It just a failure I think. Can't even load the NewsFeed properly, need manual refresh to get the current feed. What I mean is: the one that got feature like BlackBerry's Facebok program and nice iPhone-like GUI.
And forgot to tell you. Do you notice that Microsoft's Facebook app just stuck at 1.0.0.7p with no future development?
Me, personally won't count it a program, its a complete failure and crap that Microsoft released to fulfill user's demand for Facebook app. Am I wrong? ^^
Cheers... ^^
Hy,
i think that apple has a brilliant marketing strategie for iphone. But not more!!!
No, you're wrong. We, as a bunch of good developer, surely can make programs like iPhone one. isn't the GUI just a drawings after all? If we can skin our ordinary apps into something eyecatching like iPhone's app, then why not?
You know the fact: Blackberry got nice working Facebook app, iPhone also got one. What about our so called legendary OS WinMo? The oldest even before iPhone. Not even single decent Facebook app!!!
Am I wrong?
If you count the Microsoft's Facebook app as the good one, then I guess it can't be helped. But I'm really not satisfied with that not-working program.
Some men see things as they are and say why - I dream things that never were and say why not.
Since the first reply was not just go get an Iphone, this reply should be good enough. Just get an Iphone then
Well, WM is much older, so most apps out there are still ugly and stylus-dependent.
Also it was first made for businessmen, not the common user, we just adapted it to our needs with TONS of amateur freeware here.
And since the iPhone is new (and because of that, vastly superior on video card and CPU), there arent ppl around with old hardware.
And dont get me started on the games department... stop making frikking puzzles and start making quakes!
I think the main issue is the SDK. There are a lot of easy libraries for the iPhone that make it easy to make a nice looking program for the iPhone. WinMo is starting to add some nicer looking buttons and stuff to it's library, so hopefully around WM7 time, people will be creating stuff on an equal scale.
The other big issue for WinMo as opposed to iPhone, is that when you are devoloping for the iPhone, you only have 1 screen size, and 1 hardware spec to deal with. With WinMo, you have to account for all of the different phones and different hardware.
Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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that's android, not WM
I agree totaly with TS. All the winmobile applications looks like crap, they look the same they did like 4-5 years ago, there is a "arcade pack" for touch pro, and seriously I think nintendo 8bit has better graphics. Every application always looks like crap games look and work like crap. You guys always say that HTC phones are mostly made for office people but seriously have many of you actully are office people and not techis like me? I love the htc phones, the idea of having a mobile with windows is teh ****. I think winmobile phones could be 100% better then Iphone, it's been around alot longer then iphone, iphone has been around for 2 years and it kicks htc's asssss!
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The phone in the pic may be android but, my phone looks just like this and it is not android.
Here is a link to my work. http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15732
with windows mobile u can multi-task.
there is developer freedom in the winmo world. u can get a cab from xda and install as opposed to the facist apple world.
most winmo apps are free.
nuff said.
i will not deny that winmo applications look like a telnet window, but we are slowly getting there. im expecting a lot from winmo 6.5 and 7. 7 might just even be the best smartphone os out there will multi touch, finger friendly ui and a great development platform. not to mention microsoft is really giving good incentives for the market place so that should kick off well too.
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The phone in the pic may be android but, my phone looks just like this and it is not android.
Here is a link to my work. http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15732
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I dont see the likness in of an android thou it looks really good. But i like touchflo3d, you got everything integrated like musicplayer etc.
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I dont see the likness in of an android thou it looks really good. But i like touchflo3d, you got everything integrated like musicplayer etc.
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Agreed! I think so too!
This argument isn't over which platform is better for everyday use, it's only about the UI of applications. There's no doubt, the *average* program on the iPhone looks a lot better than the *average* program on WM.
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Well, WM is much older, so most apps out there are still ugly and stylus-dependent.
Also it was first made for businessmen, not the common user, we just adapted it to our needs with TONS of amateur freeware here.
And since the iPhone is new (and because of that, vastly superior on video card and CPU), there arent ppl around with old hardware.
And dont get me started on the games department... stop making frikking puzzles and start making quakes!
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But now, it's used as a standard PDA-Phone instead of businessman.
And most of my friend use WinMo PDAs like TP2, but they only use it for game, facebook, and stuffs.
About hardware, the iPhone's hardware isn't better than today's PDA. Well, the big issue maybe the VGA driver. Today's WinMo isn't equipped with decent VGA drivers. But, blame on the PDA's maker for it.
And about game, I totally agree with you. Stop making those card and tetris game. That's why WinMo isn't well developed. Developers just need to start making those 3D games like -again- iPhone's. There's no better games than iPhone's.
We got far more superior hardware, but why? Why ppl never utilize it? They only make those card and tetris and puzzle game. 2D ugly boring game.
And one question: Can the devs just make a new app with futuristic GUI? Again: Panoramic's moTweets got nice GUI. iPhone like GUI indeed.
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I think the main issue is the SDK. There are a lot of easy libraries for the iPhone that make it easy to make a nice looking program for the iPhone. WinMo is starting to add some nicer looking buttons and stuff to it's library, so hopefully around WM7 time, people will be creating stuff on an equal scale.
The other big issue for WinMo as opposed to iPhone, is that when you are devoloping for the iPhone, you only have 1 screen size, and 1 hardware spec to deal with. With WinMo, you have to account for all of the different phones and different hardware.
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About screen, I guess you're right. But what I'm talking about isn't the screen size. It's about make those button image looks futuristic and more eye catching. It's about art and graphic design right?
And not to speak bad about MS. I simply lost faith in MS. MS' simple program, their Facebook program for example, can you count it as a good program?
Isn't that just a matter of making the graphics? Is it really need a SDK to create those graphics?
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Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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Yes, its the ICON and buttons and sort of that things actually needed in WinMo's apps.
You see that we got far more superior hardware than iPhone. But why wasting that resource?
As developers, we can make something useful (not like a bunch of useless crap in iPhone) but in such an artistic way. Just replace those old button with glossy button and more futuristic shape. Isn't that just a matter of making the graphics? Is it really need a SDK to create those graphics?
Another example: Palringo messaging got nice GUI as well. So y'all know I'm not promoting moTweets.
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I agree totaly with TS. All the winmobile applications looks like crap, they look the same they did like 4-5 years ago, there is a "arcade pack" for touch pro, and seriously I think nintendo 8bit has better graphics. Every application always looks like crap games look and work like crap. You guys always say that HTC phones are mostly made for office people but seriously have many of you actully are office people and not techis like me? I love the htc phones, the idea of having a mobile with windows is teh ****. I think winmobile phones could be 100% better then Iphone, it's been around alot longer then iphone, iphone has been around for 2 years and it kicks htc's asssss!
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Yup, I'm totally agree with you also.
This all WinMo's apps are great programs but with crap GUI, in fact this nowadays WinMo's app GUI is like WinMo 2003 app GUI.
And you got my point.
k.electron said:
with windows mobile u can multi-task.
there is developer freedom in the winmo world. u can get a cab from xda and install as opposed to the facist apple world.
most winmo apps are free.
nuff said.
i will not deny that winmo applications look like a telnet window, but we are slowly getting there. im expecting a lot from winmo 6.5 and 7. 7 might just even be the best smartphone os out there will multi touch, finger friendly ui and a great development platform. not to mention microsoft is really giving good incentives for the market place so that should kick off well too.
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How slow, even Microsoft don't have any good intention to upgrade such a small program like their Facebook program. And I really laugh about WinMo 7. More bugs will come while the old bugs still there.
The WinMo 7 will got nice GUI indeed, but we're talking about the apps. Take the SMS app for example. It just like the oooolllllldddd WinMo's SMS GUI. Look at iPhone's one. Even though we got threading SMS as well but the INTERFACE is really ugly.
Am I wrong?
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This argument isn't over which platform is better for everyday use, it's only about the UI of applications. There's no doubt, the *average* program on the iPhone looks a lot better than the *average* program on WM.
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Yes, that's what I'm talking about. You get my idea. I'm comparing the apps and the GUI especialy.
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The question is: Is it really hard to make a good buttons and icons and you know; just to mention a few of it: some nice messaging box, glossy and round-edged button, transparent icon, remove the left-right and up-down old navigation bar that used for scrolling and replace it with kinetic-scrolling, etc etc..​
So I was browsing youtube..just going from video to video.
Found something very interesting, something that allows multitasking on the iphone (well more or less.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snXCC9mTvI4&NR=1
It's proswitcher, it mocks webOS's card multitasking. Imagine this on the android..
I mean if someone can develop that for the iphone which is pretty limited to begin with.. why the hell not for android you know?
What do you guys think?
It is a good idea! I've used that before on my touch, I think it would be cooler with a "expose" type of layout or like "leap".
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It is a good idea! I've used that before on my touch, I think it would be cooler with a "expose" type of layout or like "leap".
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Care to elaborate? I dont quite understand EXPOSE, or LEAP. @[email protected];
as the title goes. i have had this thing sibce it came out and i have had to so much to make it decent. with such great hardware, why does it lack great looking games? i had an iphone 3g and its games are great. i mean my hd2 is more powerfull than that and its games look worse than iphone. why?
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as the title goes. i have had this thing sibce it came out and i have had to so much to make it decent. with such great hardware, why does it lack great looking games? i had an iphone 3g and its games are great. i mean my hd2 is more powerfull than that and its games look worse than iphone. why?
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WinMo
If HTC would rerelease HD2 as a rebranded Android phone, this phone would sell like hotcakes considering that it is now a free phone.
Shame to hear you are disappointed, I only can say good things about my Leo
I guess each one has very different experiences regarding same device
id have to agree with jerryparid. the hd2 in general is an awesome piece of kit, purely let down by the OS.
running linux, and android, this thing is a little beaut! (thanks to the guys in the forum for making that a possibility)
Actually the PSX games run so smooth (60fps) on the HD2 the games on the HD2 blow away the games on other systems. I was shocked when I saw the PSX emulator on the HD2. Ran better then a real PSX. Plus you can actually hook up a PS3 BT controller to it and game with a real pad I say HD2 gaming is far far superior to iphone or android. Native games don't seem to have much development because 1. WP7 is coming and will bump specs up really high. Its easy to dev for a small number of phones with limited specs, but WM has 1000's of phones a year come out with specs of all types from 200mhz to 1ghz. If you were to really develop a real game like the iphone for WM you would only have like 4 phones that could run it. Then the 1000 phones that couldn't run it would all be pissed. With iphone they all have the same 1 phone so thats not an issue. With android the oldest phone is a year old so their specs are more refined. Hope this explains how to get better games you will be happy with and why there aren't as many great native games on WM. Once you get the proper rom loaded and it tweaked right the HD2 kicks ass and is super stable. I hope you put the work in to get yours where you need it. If you do I'm sure you will be very happy with it and can hold out till we get a working copy of Android on it.
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as the title goes. i have had this thing sibce it came out and i have had to so much to make it decent. with such great hardware, why does it lack great looking games? i had an iphone 3g and its games are great. i mean my hd2 is more powerfull than that and its games look worse than iphone. why?
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because you haven't found the good games yet
Leo is the best phone/pda I've owned and knocks the socks off the iphone
yeah i forgot to mention the ps1 emulator. it does run well. that is always the main program i show to new people.i never thought of the dev side to things. good point. i still wonder why the lack of exclusive games though. speaking of wm7, i hear its up in the air whether or not we get that upgrade. sorry bout typos. i am using it right now to post.
yeah, i know this is the wrong section for what im about to ask but, im getting replies here. i made a thread but nio one is biting. is there a way to install hspl without a pc? my pc died and i have to goti my moms house 30 mins away to gain access to one. again sorry for asking in wrong place.
WTF are you people on about??? talk about fanboys lol the powervr gpu in the iphone kicks the ass out of adreno lol it can do over 50 million triangles a second more as far as processing power goes snapdragon kicks the ass out of the apple a4 but then again my desire kick the ass out of ur HD's lol
hey man im not trying to turn this thread into a flamewar. why you gotta throw out the fanboy word? lol. i was trying to figure out y the iphone produces great looking games and our hd2s dont have much. btw i found diablo for my phone lol
firebadbobb said:
hey man im not trying to turn this thread into a flamewar. why you gotta throw out the fanboy word? lol. i was trying to figure out y the iphone produces great looking games and our hd2s dont have much. btw i found diablo for my phone lol
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well its true lol if your gunna have debate you need to base it on fact not what device is your fave the iphone has better games because its gpu is alot more powerful end of, if you wanna know what snapdragon is capable of check out this vid of nova on the desire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vn2DuPeE-E
and need for speed shift on the nexus one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfJVqFlVAtE
firebadbobb said:
hey man im not trying to turn this thread into a flamewar. why you gotta throw out the fanboy word? lol. i was trying to figure out y the iphone produces great looking games and our hd2s dont have much. btw i found diablo for my phone lol
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Because you haven't written them yet.
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If HTC would rerelease HD2 as a rebranded Android phone, this phone would sell like hotcakes
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They did, it's called the EVO 4G. And it did sell like hotcakes.
I thought it was a phone, not a gaming console
caise i havent written them yet. lmao. point. yeah i love games. if i can get some good games on here, then i will.
I love my HD2, awesome piece of kit, let down by the OS though!
Yet it still works a treat!
firebadbobb said:
as the title goes. i have had this thing sibce it came out and i have had to so much to make it decent. with such great hardware, why does it lack great looking games? i had an iphone 3g and its games are great. i mean my hd2 is more powerfull than that and its games look worse than iphone. why?
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It's as some of the others say, it's an OS-level problem. iOS simply allows for much better game design, which is why games on iPhone tend to look better than they do on other smartphone OSes.
WinMo is a very established OS, but without a good underlying design, programing something spectacular for it is very tough. This is not a problem exclusive to WinMo, but I think WinMo epitomizes the problem very well. When your OS requires a 1Ghz CPU just to get anywhere close to the smoothness of a phone using a 412Mhz CPU, there is a serious problem.
When your OS requires phone manufacturers to develop custom UIs to make usability better, there is an even worse problem.
the phone hardware? is great....
BUUUT what makes the phone suck-monkey balls b/c window period!
i love window to stay within the pc world not cell-phone!
conquer anyone?
I have a PSP to play video games with. thats not what i do with my phone.
dowwin said:
the phone hardware? is great....
BUUUT what makes the phone suck-monkey balls b/c window period!
i love window to stay within the pc world not cell-phone!
conquer anyone?
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I very recently bought a TP2 and a HD2.
Despite the noticeably slower Sense and smaller screen I'll be keeping the TP2 and selling the HD2.
I still feel keyboard is a massive win over touch screen & Swype.
Also I've not been to impressed with the stability of big time roms for the HD2 so I've only been using official roms.
Hi all,
for those who are expecting HD games I found out that nvidia will soon release a android app to show up games and apps specially optimized for Tegra 2.
_http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-zone.html
Best Regards,
Bastospn
Thanks for the heads up. Looks interesting. The price of some of the games in the screen shot are $14.99!!, I hope there are some reasonably priced ones!! I don't like paying that for a pc game, let alone a mobile game!
want now!
It does amuse me at how the CES reports are treating Tegra2 as completely new when we already have been playing with these devices for 2 months now.
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want now!
It does amuse me at how the CES reports are treating Tegra2 as completely new when we already have been playing with these devices for 2 months now.
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and saying stuff like "a blazing 2,616 score on the Quadrant test"
*points to signature* =)
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and saying stuff like "a blazing 2,616 score on the Quadrant test"
*points to signature* =)
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Chinese forums also do this, but with score like 3300+ , if i follow the dates on the reports, it pretty much looks like parts of the info, is based on my implementation of the fs optimization.. as they also went from 1800+ on Advent Vega to 2300+ with the new nvidia graphics fix + 3300+ on it now probably with the fs optimization... (Advent vega is the only one close to our Folio with MMC based memory, where Elocity has nand which already is faster and gives them 2700+ scores without fs optimization)
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want now!
It does amuse me at how the CES reports are treating Tegra2 as completely new when we already have been playing with these devices for 2 months now.
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Tegra2 is new enough to be presented at CES. Only now we start to se what could be achived with this plattform! It's more about showing the user experience, than the hardware itself.
We miss some HD games for android, I hope this arrive soon!
We are still waitting for good HD games on Android. Google should hurry up, now that tegra 2 platform is hitting the market, we would expect more HD content.
At CES 2011 some good titles were showed but this doesn't even compare with the hundreds or even thousand games on Apple Store.
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We are still waitting for good HD games on Android. Google should hurry up, now that tegra 2 platform is hitting the market, we would expect more HD content.
At CES 2011 some good titles were showed but this doesn't even compare with the hundreds or even thousand games on Apple Store.
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this is soo true... Apple can easily get the majority of tablet market having some a wide range of products supporting the ipad..
Lets hope someone finds it needed to get a leak out on the market, if the 3rd party vendors do not finish soon.
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this is soo true... Apple can easily get the majority of tablet market having some a wide range of products supporting the ipad..
Lets hope someone finds it needed to get a leak out on the market, if the 3rd party vendors do not finish soon.
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I am afraid that tegra2 tablets despite being faster than ipad may never become a success or surpass it. One thing Google could do is to launch by themself some awesome titles. This often happens when console titles are made exclusively for a given console. If Google's wants to win this they must not rely on 3 rd party to do their job.
The same should apply for nvidia
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I am afraid that tegra2 tablets despite being faster than ipad may never become a success or surpass it.
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i dont think ipad wins much comparing to android..
- no flash yet
- no widgets
- limited apps (apple policies i would call it)
- 1Click2Run method processing, background tasks handling is not very appreciative of non-approved applications.
- No google
- No real iOS customization, limited..
but i think the whole user interface will be most important, and not only the faster tegra2, which still don't do that well comparing to DesireHD for now :-(
my tweak might have pushed some limits, but 3D on DesireHD as example is much better supported already.. although screen is smaller, senseUI runs pretty well and is a well designed..
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Thanks for the heads up. Looks interesting. The price of some of the games in the screen shot are $14.99!!, I hope there are some reasonably priced ones!! I don't like paying that for a pc game, let alone a mobile game!
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Nah, ad mock up. That game showed will still be 2.99.
With honeycomb we should see more polished apps and games. Especially with mostly Tegra 2 behind it.
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i dont think ipad wins much comparing to android..
- no flash yet
- no widgets
- limited apps (apple policies i would call it)
- 1Click2Run method processing, background tasks handling is not very appreciative of non-approved applications.
- No google
- No real iOS customization, limited..
but i think the whole user interface will be most important, and not only the faster tegra2, which still don't do that well comparing to DesireHD for now :-(
my tweak might have pushed some limits, but 3D on DesireHD as example is much better supported already.. although screen is smaller, senseUI runs pretty well and is a well designed..
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I tend to agree with you! But for most people Apple still is consider the best buy as it work best out of the box!
Guys from Apple are soo clever, they don't just delivery everything at once, they softly improve their products, bit by bit. This way in a couple of years we had 4 or 5 versions of iphone and a dozen versions o iOS. This is how they make money! This money pays for new small improvements and them people pays big bucks for this improvements.
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I tend to agree with you! But for most people Apple still is consider the best buy as it work best out of the box!
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+1
i have tried the interface of an ipad, and yes it feels fast and responsive to an action done. but for me its not all about a fast response, limiting my other options for that cost.. but yes, apple do know how to sell a product.. not many cares about multitasking so why include that in the early ones, so its easier to sell a "fast" frontend.
Is it possible to fit an arm-based processor like nvidia's in an hd2? Also, if i'm allowed to ask, is it possible to fit the same in a dell xps m1330? I'd really appreciate a working solution. Thanks again
docsheji said:
Is it possible to fit an arm-based processor like nvidia's in an hd2? Also, if i'm allowed to ask, is it possible to fit the same in a dell xps m1330? I'd really appreciate a working solution. Thanks again
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what does it have to do with Nvidia TegraZone?
I don't really understand the question! When you refer to HD2 are you speaking about the mobile phone from HTC?
Of course HTC will have nvidia tegra 2 phones available soon, but sure they won't call them HD2, but something else instead.
If you are asking if you can by your own means do it (DIY)... putting a HD2 phone to work with a nvidia 250 chipset I will say you are dreamming
Samurai II Vengeance 1.0
Samurai II Vengeance 1.0
I tried the game, something beautiful! and, indeed, are seen just how powerful the machine! and how good the video accelerator.
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Samurai II Vengeance 1.0
I tried the game, something beautiful! and, indeed, are seen just how powerful the machine! and how good the video accelerator.
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Add Monster madness to that one.... but you need a Build.prop fix,ill put it in FolioMod thread, to see the game on Market (it says 2.3 only)
This is just so annoying.
I was playing a game on FPSE during the lunch break. At 13:30, back to work, did not have the opportunity to save my game. Nevermind, I just put the telephone on screen saver / lock screen so that I can continue later, after the work.
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Meanwhile I received a text. Fine, I can read it and possibly answer to it... Android is supposed to hadle multitask rather well after all.
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Pwned.
After texting, back to FPSE, just to check and make sure that it's still on... Just to notice that the app has been killed by Android...
This is sooo annoying. It's supposed to be mobile phone specialized in gaming. You should be able to interrupt your game to answer a call or a message!!!
I previously owned a Nokia N8 Powered by Symbian^3. It was much much more efficient. Could lauch many apps without worrying of the multitaking. Apps where running in the background, not simply killed by the OS...
Any similar experience to share guys? (or solution, but I doubt there is any...)
What you are experiencing is the brilliant idea of putting a small amount of ram into a android gaming phone (well thought out, Sony). When the ram is low and another app needs to use that ram, Android will automatically kill another app to claim free ram. The problem Android has is it uses Java as the base programming language. The problem with Java is it is a resource hog and totally steals as much ram as possible...see the problem yet? Also, the problem Sony has is that they are stupid.
And now for the reasons. Google choose Java as the base because of its popularity and ease of use for noobs at programming, which is also why there are so many bad apps in the Google Market compared to the iphone. While this was a smart choice for Google at the time to help accelerate their market growth to help catch up with the ios market, it's now a problem they'll always have as a consequence to that choice. To counter this problem of having a horrible base program language android phones constantly needs to have ridiculous specs in order to have comparable performance to the iphone (quad core, gig of ram, phones anyone?).
So there you have it, the core and unavoidable problem with Android. An operating system so inefficient that it warrants quad cores with close to pc specs (That is amazingly bad). So bad that they must've been really high when the folks at Sony thought it was a good idea that a GAMING phone would only need a single core with crap ram. Well played.
So what you are saying is, the entire Android platform is garbage because you made that decision with a garbage phone? Try multitasking on the SG3, then come back. Or, go deal with the fake multitasking of iOS.
you can try supercharger, n use multitasking choice, that's the best multitasking option that i ever try, altough it will makes your free RAM under 70 MB, but multitasking is very great....
DubleJayJ said:
So what you are saying is, the entire Android platform is garbage because you made that decision with a garbage phone? Try multitasking on the SG3, then come back. Or, go deal with the fake multitasking of iOS.
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All I'm saying is Android is inefficient. This is generally known and Google has been constantly criticized because of it. Going back to my point, this is why manufactures are pushing out quads on their phones.
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So, why are you even here?
narflynn619 said:
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So, why are you even here?
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I provided information on the problem...? I think a better question would be why are YOU here? You didn't provide anything on this thread.
just wonder if V6 supercharger bulletproof app might help?
Tje great thing about android is that normally there is an app for whatevet you need or a flashable zip or a script ect so it just takes a quick search and abitta time and you could be tip top and there's allways the quick save feature in fpse
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narflynn619 said:
@cityhunter62
@coreyon
So, why are you even here?
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Coreyon answered to my question and I thank him for that. Now I understand why multitasking does not work on Android, or at least on Android phones with few ram. Still, N8 had 256mb ram but handled multitasking perfectly.
Anyway, mathacer and foryou168 gave some advices that might be helpful. I had some answers, that was the point of this thread...
I'm sure I'm not the only one who experienced that kind of problem...
coreyon said:
All I'm saying is Android is inefficient. This is generally known and Google has been constantly criticized because of it. Going back to my point, this is why manufactures are pushing out quads on their phones.
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Inefficient because it ran out of RAM? OEM's are pushing for quads because the software and Linux foundation is the most advanced out there. No other mobile is has such supreme multitasking and such a myriad of emulation apps.
Enable zRAM or use a swap partition if you expect this low-RAM device to keep a 32-bit-era console emulator in the background while doing phone functions.
Or get a tablet for gaming. Its still just a smartphone dude.
Or get an iPhone.
Or learn development and help the "horrible android" to be better.
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Just don't say that android is rubbish,.. it's awesome.. And it's open.. we can customize our phone to our need... that's make it different..
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Android is insufficient, but on my Galaxy S3 samsungs multitasking is absolutely terrible for 1GB, but now once I flashed the Multitaskingfix I have to say its like multitasking on a 2GB android device, I love it! and in the latest leak (with Multi view, etc) XXELK4 4.1.2 the ram used is almost half of what is used on 4.1.1, Love you samsung! can't say that about Sony, but Xperia play will always be with me until I get use to Touch screen gaming.
For everyone that somehow got offended when I said Android is inefficient, please read on. Android IS inefficient, but that does not mean it's a bad operating system. I personally use it myself. It's certainly better than ios with Apples lockdown. The great positives of Android is that it uses the Linux kernel which is very advanced, and the entire operating system itself is very customizable (partly thanks to java it self).
Now with that said, like I've mentioned I don't know how many times now, it will always have a problem as apps and games become more and more advanced; there will always be the new apps that pushes the hardware to a new level and with the Android overhead will cause it to be slower than it could be. A good example of this is how Minecraft (with its amazingly bad graphics) on the PC needs Crysis-like specs to play with good fps on a PC. That's ridiculous, and it's because the game runs in Java. I know there is Minecraft for Android, but let's be honest it's a very very small map that barely has any of the pc gameplay, otherwise the phone would explode. However, just like Android, even with Minecraft's horrible lag issues it is still an awesome game, and is very easy to customize the game which is also very awesome. Does everyone understand my point now?
CosmicDan said:
Or learn development and help the "horrible android" to be better.
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I AM a developer, and I have had the pleasure of struggling with Java's limitation on a multiple array of platforms. I do know what I'm talking about, it's a well known issue.
I'm personally suprised Java is still alive
Thought it would have died years ago because java programs would be slow as molasses/bog down any PC.
So I'm surprised it actually runs decently on phones... tho the phones are more powerful than PCs from a few years ago lol
And yeah, its' the same old cycle.
Software always gets bloated as hardware specs increase so it's tough to get ahead - kinda like how inflation negates pay raises
coreyon said:
I AM a developer, and I have had the pleasure of struggling with Java's limitation on a multiple array of platforms. I do know what I'm talking about, it's a well known issue.
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I can agree from my experience with Java software, especially the security concerns. I heard a saying: hell is a world where Java is the only programming language. I'm more annoyed by Google trying to do things different and separating itself from Linux standard.
I have to say you are very lucky to present your thoughts here, if this was a Nexus forum all hell would break loose. The Nexus fanboys are relentless.
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I can agree from my experience with Java software, especially the security concerns. I heard a saying: hell is a world where Java is the only programming language. I'm more annoyed by Google trying to do things different and separating itself from Linux standard.
I have to say you are very lucky to present your thoughts here, if this was a Nexus forum all hell would break loose. The Nexus fanboys are relentless.
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Aha, I should've made a thread for this. This went way off topic from the original purpose of the thread.
JAVA OS?
I thought IOS apps were Java also?
Either way, they have similar "multitasking", except that the programmer can control how an Android app "moves through the states" (ie. from pause when its in background to being killed) so if the FPSE programmers took advantage of the power of Android OS, they could have set the game to do a save as it was killed...
In fact, Android AUTOMATICALLY dumps some of the programs memory when killed involuntarily (the OS needs more RAM) so really, all the programmer needs to do is check to see if there is a bundle already there when the programs oncreate() is (re)called - if so, then resume!
developer[dot]android[dot]com/training/basics/activity-lifecycle/recreating.html
For the record I hate Java, and more so - ECLIPSE (Java IDE that was also itself made in Java) makes me want to shoot myself in the face whilst listening to Enya and letting spiders crawl on my testicles.
Hicsy said:
I thought IOS apps were Java also?
Either way, they have similar "multitasking", except that the programmer can control how an Android app "moves through the states" (ie. from pause when its in background to being killed) so if the FPSE programmers took advantage of the power of Android OS, they could have set the game to do a save as it was killed...
In fact, Android AUTOMATICALLY dumps some of the programs memory when killed involuntarily (the OS needs more RAM) so really, all the programmer needs to do is check to see if there is a bundle already there when the programs oncreate() is (re)called - if so, then resume!
developer[dot]android[dot]com/training/basics/activity-lifecycle/recreating.html
For the record I hate Java, and more so - ECLIPSE (Java IDE that was also itself made in Java) makes me want to shoot myself in the face whilst listening to Enya and letting spiders crawl on my testicles.
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I don't touch ios even with a 50 foot pole, but I'm pretty sure ios apps don't use Java. Even if they did, the core operating system doesn't, and that's enough to make a huge impact difference in performance.
I heard about some developer porting Android to C+. By passing all those legal issues with Microsoft, if Android ran on C+ wouldn't it fix all the lag much like Project Butter has and evidently fixed the incredible RAM usage by the device?