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sms from keyboard

Hi , I would like to know if anybody figured out when sending an email or SMS how to go from "To:" to the actual message you will type without touching the screen ?
The Tab key didn't work for me .

Doesn't the down arrow do it? Works for me.
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Both Tab and the Down arrow work for me. Just tried.
Press Message button to go to Pocket Outlook.
Tap LHS soft key to select New
Type first few letters of contact's name.
When number is suggested, press down arrow to select number.
Press Enter to fill in the number.
Press Tab to move to message area.
Type message

nope it doesn't on my xda exec, if I press the down arrow, the scroll bar will go down but the cursor is still on the "to:"

I dont' have a scrollbar anywhere on the New Message screen. I'm running in VGA landscape mode though. Maybe that's the difference.
Doesn't Tab work?

nope the tab + down key didn't work, it will go down on the scroll bar but the cursor will still be on on the "to:"
You said you were on VGA landscape mode, is it with ozvga ? or did you have asetting on the phone itself ?

jeux_1 said:
You said you were on VGA landscape mode, is it with ozvga ? or did you have asetting on the phone itself ?
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Yeah - it's OzVGA.
Man, it would be really annoying if I had to use the stylus to create SMS. This is the biggest benefit for me: Doing (almost) everything in the system using only the keyboard. I hope you find a solution soon.

yeah, I just have to use my dirty fingers to put the cursor in the right place :?
One quick question, I have some app like wisbar/ netfront 3.3 in VGA already, if I install ozvga will it miss it up or they will still look the same ?
Or maybe there is only one way to find out.... :wink:

If you're using WA2 with OzVGA, you'll have to switch to a QVGA version of your Wisbar theme, otherwise it'll all go very weird. Not too much of a problem though, it just takes up a bit more space in your Themes folder having two versions of the same theme, and you need to switch them manually in WA2 when you switch resolutions.
This is because the system uses 96dpi (QVGA) icons, toolbars, fonts, etc, etc when running OzVGA.

thanks, I'll have a go.
still playing with it, just wait on an update so the phone can have a decent response time, miss my xdaIIs for that but, it is another subject 8)
Still love it BTW!

jeux_1, i have the same exact issue. It was driving my pretty crazy, but it helps to know someone else has this issue. Have you found a fix?

For the last three weeks, I was using the keyboard to write SMS, and my TAB key was moving the cursor from 'To' to the body of the message...
And now, suddenly, it does only a scroll down, like the down arrow, but stay in the 'To' field... :?
Any idea :?: it's really annoying....

Does anybody have an idea about that :?:

I think it is a bug for the O2 EXEC, my friend have an Orange one and work works fine.
I don't think there is a solution and it is a bug on the O2 one. Any of you guys can confirm ?
There is as well a new guy with a new Rom I will ask him if he has the same issue.

Actually, I use a Qtek 9000, different ROM
And it was working for at least three weeks... and now, it does'nt work anymore... smth changed, but I cannot find out what

here goes my theory..... :?

Ok, I found the solution.... my TAB key works again..
The problem came from Tweaks2k2 .NET, version 3.15... as soon as I apply changes with it, the TAB behavior changes... :evil:

Wizard MSN Messenger - Soft Keyboard pops up all the time...

Hi All
I've got an O2 XDA Mini S which I've set up using the corporate option, so I no longer have the O2 Software running.
Whenever I start a new conversation in MSN messenger, the soft keyboard pops up, even if the real keyboard is exposed.
This is really annoying as I have to minimise the soft keyboard on every new conversation.
Can anyone help?
Driving me mad! :roll: LOL

D'Oh!
Just tried to make a word document and it's doing the same thing!!!
GRRRRR!
I have tried setting the input options from keyboard to phonepad and it's still doing it.

just start typing (DON'T click it away!). for me after that it remembers that i don't want to use the onscreen keyboard.

OK, so I just rebooted the machine and it's not popping up now.
However, the MSN chat window is all squashed up at the top of the screen... As if there was a softkeyboard there.
I think I'm going to have to get used to the occasional reboot on this!
Thanks for your quick response!

Clicking on the SIP button in the bottom right should disable the soft keyboard, and according to some, it should retain that setting. I don't have a Wiz so I can't confirm, but one way or the other, it might help you to install a dummy SIP. PHM Tools installs one.
PHM Ext. Keyboard SIP PowerToy
The PHM Ext. Keyboard is an empty input panel you can use when you have an external keyboard connected (such as thumb, collapsible, foldable, wireless, ... keyboard) and do not want an input panel to take valuable screen estate.
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V

yah this annoys me as well, when browsing in landscape and BOOM this keyboard that covers have the screen pops up! you can't even see what yoru typing...
anyway i remember reading a fix for this somewher, but it was before i got the device. anyone know where its at?

Hey, I changed mine from keyboard to the transcriber, it doesn't seem to popup now and it also give a full screen while on msn rather than only half screen where the keyboard should be.

Just tried this... Thanks!
It gives more of the screen available to MSN, but still not full screen for me.
If I click on the transcriber icon at the bottom of the screen, then click on it again to minimise it, I then get full screen.
Weird problems!

want to try the PHM Ext. Keyboard SIP PowerToy but theire website is down since some time. Could anybody please upload the files in this forum or somewhere else? (eg RapidShare.com,...)
THX!!!
CIAO!
VOODOOS!L

PHM tools
I think they're all down for updates.
Here's a zip of all of them.
V

so what exactly does that do? i don't want to install anything that can be solved by a reg edit. (dont have a mem card yet)

Fone - one of the cabs installs a dummy SIP called external keyboard or something. It's for people that use external keyboards, basically don't one the built in ones popping up all the time.
It's small, I'd install it if you have a need. If you really don't need the built in keyboards and want a registry only solution, you can disable the SIPs through the registry. Not recommended though.
V

Alternatively, as it's just 1 install:
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/nullkeyboard.shtml
( could probably hack apart the PHM tools CAB just as well )

thanks a lot, just what i needed!!
CIAO!
VOODOOS!L

Excellent! Works a treat!! Thank You.

Ahh, null keyboard is by beemer. He's a great coder, check out his today plugins for wondrous pleasures.
These null keyboard type things do pretty much the same thing, ie nothing. However, if you're really geeky, Brighthand forums has a large review of a number of them. Use whatever works though.
V

its ok, i'll go ahean and install it. i just thought somehow someone could make a couple regedits that would tell the device if in landscape dont show onscreen keyboard. but i guess its more complex than i thought.

short of intercepting it, I don't think so
Technically, software needs to check they keyboard status, and then suppress the SIP from popping up when activating text entry elements (stuff's in MSDN somewhere). Thing is - most people are either too lazy to do so, or aren't aware of any need to do so, or just don't know they -can- do so

There is a registry entry (at least in mine) HasExtKeyboard or something to that effect. I set it from 0 to 1, but it does nothing. Do a registry search for it. Perhaps someone can make a SIP that will normally not pop up anything, but with a keystroke or a tap on the icon will pop it up when you need it.
I'd just like a slim SIP that would have keys like Cut/Copy/Paste/Undo, etc.

There is a registry entry (at least in mine) HasExtKeyboard or something to that effect. I set it from 0 to 1, but it does nothing. Do a registry search for it. Perhaps someone can make a SIP that will normally not pop up anything, but with a keystroke or a tap on the icon will pop it up when you need it.
I'd just like a slim SIP that would have keys like Cut/Copy/Paste/Undo, etc.

SMS Scrolling

For some reason, when I open an SMS in my Text messages inbox, it starts at the bottom of the page, so i have to scroll up to the top to read it!
Im sure it didnt do this when I got the phone, but now it does.
Any ideas?

Try changing the way the message is sorted. Just tap a the small triangle below the close (X) button. Hopefully this solves your problem.

Sorry, I didnt make myself clear.
Its not the message list, its the message itself.
When I open an SMS, these can only be 160 chars remember, the screen is scrolled down a page showing blank nothing. I have to grab the scrollbar at the right and drag it to the top of the sms where the actual message and header are!
No sms would ever fill a single screen, let alone go into a second so I have no idea what is going on.

Pyrofer said:
Sorry, I didnt make myself clear.
Its not the message list, its the message itself.
When I open an SMS, these can only be 160 chars remember, the screen is scrolled down a page showing blank nothing. I have to grab the scrollbar at the right and drag it to the top of the sms where the actual message and header are!
No sms would ever fill a single screen, let alone go into a second so I have no idea what is going on.
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That happens with the keyboard attached or not?

This is happening to me as well - Anyone know what the fix is?
Thaks
Barney

I never found it!
Just upgraded to wm6 and it opens them scrolled down a little bit, just enough to hide the "received on blah"message, but not the caller name/number
Makes me think maybe its to do with message headers? Fiddle with the header display options. Good luck.

May i know what your wm6 build number?..
we had this before in out wizard when we are still using the older build number wm6 ones..

I had that prob in the shipped Tmob rom on Ameo, Its not happening on mew wm6
New os is 5.2.1238 (Build 17745.0.2.3) though.
But as I say, it starts moved down a tiny bit only now, so i can see the message.
On TMob wm5 rom it started at the bottom of a long page, so EVERY time i opened a sms I had to scroll back up to read it, very annoying.

This bug occurs in wm6 build number 5.2.1238 downwards..
at 5.2.1413 the bug isnt exist anymore..

That happens when you set smooth scrolling/dpad scrolling via reg hack or change scrolling via htc tweaks, etc

Anyway to undo/fix it?

Pyrofer said:
Anyway to undo/fix it?
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Change the registry back or uncheck the smooth scrolling box in the tweak app you are using..
or
see reg setting below
0 = Smooth Scrolling with joystick (but sms msg's will start at the bottom)
1 = Default scrolling by link vs joystick
Navigate without stylus
The default behaviour for your device's four-way direction button in Pocket Internet Explorer (PIE) is to jump between hyperlinks/form fields on a web page. To change this behaviour so that the button scrolls the page left, right, up and down, use the following tweak:
\HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Navigation\4-Way Nav = 0 (DWORD decimal)And to re-enable hyperlink/form field navigation:
\HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Navigation\4-Way Nav = 1 (DWORD decimal)You may still jump between links using Tab and Shift-Tab using the built-in hardware keyboard.
See the Hermes and/or Universal wiki for many registry tweaks, etc

That worked for me
Thanks
Barney

smart touch key repeat rate

Hey
I'm trying to get the HP iPaq 614c in a usable state....what I'm finding is that the Smart-Touch scroll wheel is great, nice and quick and you can be productive.
But, because it is only one way (up <-> down), and because it usually functions as the equivalent of a "tab" key press (if on a PC) you can't use it for moving around in a text block.
You have to use the up down left right method by hovering over 5, then moving your thumb in the appropriate direction...however, the repeat rate on this is slow slow slow......
Its enough to not make me keep the 614c because it means editing SMSs or emails or even just random text fields like URLs is painful, particularly when you make a mistake.
Does anyone know any registry fields to change this?
I've tried the accessible settings in Settings > Buttons > Up/Down Control but they have no effect.
Thanks!
Si

yes i would be interested in this too.

I've searched the registry but couldn't fnd anything applicable. I found one key which was reported in another forum, but it had no effect.

WAY NOT TAP (WITH FINGER) ON THE AREA AND THEN MOVE L/R
I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE "SLOW" MOVMENT FOR SOME APPS/FILES

well that is why I do, like you say. I guess slow movement may be useful for some things.
When you're in the middle of a text message or email though, it can take days to scroll through a message.
Its also very hard to pinpoint the cursor to the right area with out using the stylus (i.e. with your finger nail).....
...part of the beauty of the 614c for me is the phone keypad which allows T9 input (T9 input being super fast compared to any qwerty input with two fingers), but when you can't edit the message very easily it becomes annoying.

Im sorry to say that I don’t know/suffer from your prob
not that I do want problems, but the thing is that all text is within the bounds of the screen (for me on long doc/mail....) so the only need for fast thing is up down
maybe you have a different setting that lets you see "out of the screen" ~ the need for fast L/R scrolling
as for ie tx9 I don’t use this method so ….. I disabled the default settings of having it on first thing
for ie address I use pie-plus app ,it has within it's settings option for quick words/address and finger scrolling or open more then one tab etc.
but you asked so I will give you the solution
please backup your device
open a reg edit like this free one
http://www.phm.lu/products/PocketPC/RegEdit/
then go to HKLM/software/tegic/et9/ime
tap on D-WORD "carrierDefaultTextMode"
set value from "0" to "1"
enjoy

for l/r scrolling, what i'm talking about is when you're editing a text message or an email, they can get quite long. so say you're editing a message, then you realise you need to add a word at the start or edit a word in the middle, it takes ages to scroll to the middle or the beginning using the l/r scrolling on the smart touch wheel....and when i say ages, i mean ages, at least compared to how quickly it works on the smartphones with a hard nav joystick/wheel.
it has nothing to do with whether you can see the text on the screen. its to do with moving the caret/cursor/pointer around within the text.
thanks for that registry entry...i did try it, but it made no difference. IE still uses abc method.
i may look at that pie-plus ting though, looks like it may help.

sikittle said:
forthanks for that registry entry...i did try it, but it made no difference. IE still uses abc method.
i may look at that pie-plus ting though, looks like it may help.
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works for me
did you save the reg by "exit " turn off the device for 10 sec then SR ?
any way i will also try to look into the scroll....

it changes the default method for applications like Internet Explorer for you? not just SMS composing?
I'll try it again...

hey yeah
that did work, thanks!! (making the default mode actually work as default in all circumstances)
i just typed it wrong.

told you so i will also look into the wheel thing im now into helping with this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403736

more option etc. mainly 4 ipaq 600

hmmmm.....do you know how to make that keyboard fix work even when you install a 3rd party keyboard.
I was trying to install a finger friendly keyboard for the times when you have to type in passwords or other such delicates, but if i do that after having made that modification it loses it as the default.

Looking for couple of rare tweaks... - please help

Hi there,
I am hoping to find just a few rare tweaks for my Diamond, here they are:
1. Anybody ever though of (can't believe nobody did) a tool for left-handed users? Specifically, a.o.:
- WM vertical scrollbar displayed on the left not on the right
- In TF3D, the People tab, the slide-out bar to display some of my favorites is on the right and not on the left. Sliding with left hand is no good because the palm covers the screen.
2. Is there any way to transfer contacts with non-ASCII symbols from htc memory to SIM?
3. Managing text messages. Once you browse Inbox and single click on a message it displays along with the keyboard. What makes big sense once you want to send a message is useless for reading messages. Any way to rid the screen of it? How about the font used to display the message. Which registry variable sets it?
4. How about SMS channels be displayed on today screen? It is possible to add the channel but not display it.
regards

With regards to #3, can't you just tap the keyboard symbol at the bottom-center of the screen to make it disappear?

I sure can, but tell me one reason to do it?

Woijtek said:
I sure can, but tell me one reason to do it?
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To make the KB go away...

lol
lol thats funy

you could use ZeNoKeyboard it's freeware i think...just google it