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This is something that can benefit ALL HTC Touch Screen Devices

I have been trying to work on something that will enable some sort of Haptic feed back on my XV6800. The Haptic feed back is a feature that enables vibration to the screen when you press on the screen. Such as the Voyager.
I dont intend to try and make this just to work with the XV6800 but for ALL HTC Touch Screen Devices and if it can others too.
There is a feature on my phone and on many others that allows our phones to play a sound when the screen is taped. I thought of an idea of why not replace the sound with vibration?
There is already a CAB out there that changes the dial tone into a vibration feedback ( when you press the dial buttons ) but it doesnt do much for the rest of the applications or screen.
So far I have been working on this for a couple of days but havent had much time to put much effort into it.
I was hoping that some developers / hackers can help out the cause and help develope or create a feature that enables this on ALL HTC Touch Screen Devices.
If I do find a way to do this I'll post my findings here, but any help to make this a reality would be gladly appreciated.

I was just reading about this very thing HERE: http://www.immersion.com/vt/haptics-for-mobile.php
I was wondering if somebody was going to give it a try. Good luck with it, BOO

it has already been done, and someone posted it up on these forums a while ago, probably buried extremely deeply by now... i forgot the name but i just know it's out there and although it worked, i quickly worried about battery life/hardware issues, so i uninstalled. i'll try to find it for you

bootheresa said:
I was just reading about this very thing HERE: http://www.immersion.com/vt/haptics-for-mobile.php
I was wondering if somebody was going to give it a try. Good luck with it, BOO
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Thank you. I am hoping that we can get this done.
I mean we are constantly trying to make our touch screen devices finger friendly. We enlarge buttons, the creation of Touch FLO and the Cube, enlarging menus and so on.
My theory is why not combine all these I deas with Haptic feedback and make it even more finger friendly and try to limit the use of the stylus. If made possible this would be able to work on any HTC Touch screen device or any WM Touch screen device out there.
This would also help users that have a hard time inputing anything into their phone. For example, some one trying to make a text message through t9 or even less then that just pressing on the screen to access a short cut with out having to pound their touch screen until it inputs that they are trying to press. This would help with that because it will acknowledge the input that was made.
Just an Idea

Azimuth21 said:
it has already been done, and someone posted it up on these forums a while ago, probably buried extremely deeply by now... i forgot the name but i just know it's out there and although it worked, i quickly worried about battery life/hardware issues, so i uninstalled. i'll try to find it for you
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If this has been made possible for the entire touch screen and all applications including the standard OS please inform me of this find. I would gladly appreciate it.

yeah it was an application that ran in the background (maybe as a service, i don't remember), but every single tap created a vibrate feedback. argh i just looked around for it and i have no idea where to find it. it was in some thread, someone's reply had the app attached to it. something about how he knew someone who was working on it, and waited for that person's permission to post the app here on xda-dev. sigh.

Azimuth21 said:
yeah it was an application that ran in the background (maybe as a service, i don't remember), but every single tap created a vibrate feedback. argh i just looked around for it and i have no idea where to find it. it was in some thread, someone's reply had the app attached to it. something about how he knew someone who was working on it, and waited for that person's permission to post the app here on xda-dev. sigh.
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Interesting. If it has been done already I wonder if we can replicate it and put it on this thread. That is if you dont find the link to the page or the program it self.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354890&highlight=Vibrate&page=2
Around post #15. I do not know if it works or not..

appless03 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354890&highlight=Vibrate&page=2
Around post #15. I do not know if it works or not..
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Thanks this is a good find.
Ill see if i can make it available using another method. Because they reported that it worked on every other tap of the screen and that it runs the battery down faster too.
What I might try to do is have mine work but have the option to disable it ( like the way you do when you disable screen tap sounds) to save battery power.

[email protected]$ said:
Thanks this is a good find.
Ill see if i can make it available using another method. Because they reported that it worked on every other tap of the screen and that it runs the battery down faster.
What I might try to do is have mine work but have the option to disable it ( like the way you do when you disable screen tap sounds) to save battery power.
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Hay [email protected]$
True like u said, i've tried it 2, but it do not respond to every fingertouch, if u can figur a way for an app that will respond 2 every touch even the small ones (where u don'nt need 2 hold for a sek before it regonise and verb.).. that will be really great

Cobra2 said:
Hay [email protected]$
True like u said, i've tried it 2, but it do not respond to every fingertouch, if u can figur a way for an app that will respond 2 every touch even the small ones (where u don'nt need 2 hold for a sek before it regonise and verb.).. that will be really great
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So far I have planned some steps on ways to do it through the registry but it is not perfect. I am not an expert programmer but I can give it a shot, but it might take a while since I am not as great as the experts here in XDA.
But I'll do what I can. If I do find a solution I will post it here, but any help to make this project possible would be great.

I would be happy if my phone would just vibrate on keyboard input.

I am running this older vibro cab. Works very well however...
The vibration lasts aslong as your finger has contact on the screen. It would be better if it just gave a quick blip of vibro each touch maybe?
When you slide a cube etc it virbos the whole movement.
MM

MaxMotus said:
I am running this older vibro cab. Works very well however...
The vibration lasts aslong as your finger has contact on the screen. It would be better if it just gave a quick blip of vibro each touch maybe?
When you slide a cube etc it virbos the whole movement.
MM
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Do you happen to have the CAB with you? Maybe I can find a way to change the effect this program does when you press the screen and lower the vibration feed back.
If I can do that then I can maybe create some registry settings to make the same effect but just replacing the sound that is emulated when you tap the screen. That way you can disable it or enable it when you want it. ( In case you need to save battery or something )

The length of the vibration should be shorter, other than that it's a really good tool.

wow i must be stupid. i just posted a thread about this yesterday. anyway, it'd be cool if we could figure out a way to just incorporate it into the registry, probly wouldn't use as much battary and stuff then.

This has been done already on this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354890&page=2. On the second page, Kpyto posted a download link for it. I haven't tested it yet though so I can't tell you how well it works.

hows this coming along?

I tried the VOA program mentioned above, but i don't really like it - it's simply annoying by vibrating all the time when scrolling trough lists, or attempting to bring up a tap-and-hold context menu. Not to mention additional battery drain caused by the motor running for such long periods of time.
For me, much better screen tap confirmation is a very short vibra pulse - i often use Vibrate(50) as a confirmation in my mortscripts. That's only 50 milliseconds, but it' enough to be clearly felt, and since the motor is powered only for such short time, it causes almost no additional battery drain. I'd really love to see an application creating such confirmation instead of the screen tap sound.
I'd just like it to have customizable vibration time - since the minimal time needed to make vibration even noticeable can probably vary from device to device, and play nice with fTouchFlo - since both capture touchscreen events there are probably possible conflicts.
Good luck with the development. I hope you'll be able to realize this great idea

mr_deimos said:
I tried the VOA program mentioned above, but i don't really like it - it's simply annoying by vibrating all the time when scrolling trough lists, or attempting to bring up a tap-and-hold context menu. Not to mention additional battery drain caused by the motor running for such long periods of time.
For me, much better screen tap confirmation is a very short vibra pulse - i often use Vibrate(50) as a confirmation in my mortscripts. That's only 50 milliseconds, but it' enough to be clearly felt, and since the motor is powered only for such short time, it causes almost no additional battery drain. I'd really love to see an application creating such confirmation instead of the screen tap sound.
I'd just like it to have customizable vibration time - since the minimal time needed to make vibration even noticeable can probably vary from device to device, and play nice with fTouchFlo - since both capture touchscreen events there are probably possible conflicts.
Good luck with the development. I hope you'll be able to realize this great idea
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Lets hope some one makes this. isn't there anyone on these forums with great programing skills?

Lock/unlock

Hi guys
Can you help me!
Bad English, but I hope you understand.
I need a keylock to my phone.
So I can lock/unlock it. ( Like Iphone)
Its a problem when I have my phone in my pocket!
Anyone?
Thanks

The phone has one as standard.
If you want one like the iPhone, search for S2U2.

Schooleydoo said:
The phone has one as standard.
If you want one like the iPhone, search for S2U2.
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Thank you..
I cant fint S2U2. Can you help me?
I am new here, sorry...

Link for S2U2
http://s2u2.softonic.de/pocketpc

Or maybe use the official site of the developer......
http://s2u2.ac-s2.com/

michi123 said:
Or maybe use the official site of the developer......
http://s2u2.ac-s2.com/
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Thanks guys.
Shall I unzip on my computer or my phone?

zorro1000 said:
Thanks guys.
Shall I unzip on my computer or my phone?
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I guess you don't bother searching or reading, do you? There's a link on the developer's page saying "Read me first". If you click that then you'll find full instructions.

If you do not want to use 3rd party software, I suggest you use the built-in one.
Just hold the most right button a few seconds... (or read also the manual of the phone)

I also use this method, it is fine and I can preserve more power.
Before that, I also use S2U2, and I remove it after 1 day trail.
When I put the machine aside, HD will lock after 30s, then the screen will goes off in another 30s, the beautiful S2U2 screen saver will only survive for no more than 1 minutes.
When I pull the stylus out, it will automatically unlock, so I got no point to use S2U2......and most important, after using it, the battery goes very fast.
I have a full charge before sleep (100%), when I wake up in the next day, only 89% battery left......
geosphere said:
If you do not want to use 3rd party software, I suggest you use the built-in one.
Just hold the most right button a few seconds... (or read also the manual of the phone)
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I have also used S2U2 and had problem with the power leak but then switched to pocket shield which was great, I even wrote a post about it somwhere in this forum... but after some time with pocket shiel it showed 2 very annoying problems. One was that somehow it totally messed up my galarm application to the point it didn't ring the phone alarm at all (I was very pissed of). Since I am a good man I decided to give it one more chance so I uninstalled galarm and used standard windows alarm app... unforutnately this misworked same way- no alarm, this time i was smart enough to test it. Second thing was that pocket shield was messing start menu in my phone - making it disapear until restart, whenever appointment reminder would start...so this is why I dumped pocket shield and moved back to the simplest standard windows lock function

using s2u2, I like the feature, "keylock: do not lock buttons." I installed keylock.cab, but no effect. There is another way?

[IDEA] Control your phone by sending Vibration!!!

I was very intrigued by the development of 'Seismo' application...which can detect vibration.
This is just an IDEA for a fun application.....and maybe...just maybe useful....
I'm sure u can isolate and identify the harder vibrations. With that said, lets say i left my diamond somewhere on my table...and
1) i TAP on the table twice....and my Diamond makes a noise in response...letting me know its location.
Or maybe i have it in my pocket...
2)Tap once while the music is playing to change the track....or to silent a call...or to ignore it...
and i'm sure this could be used for alot of other things.....let me know what u guys think..
Its a simple suggestions...if this is worth any of ur time....i would love to see an application like this.
Peace...

nice idea!
hope someone will create this!

That's a nice idea There could be a problem with detecting the taps, but I'm really looking forward to such an app.

Real Reason??
solidkundi said:
I was very intrigued by the development of 'Seismo' application...which can detect vibration.
This is just an IDEA for a fun application.....and maybe...just maybe useful....
I'm sure u can isolate and identify the harder vibrations. With that said, lets say i left my diamond somewhere on my table...and
1) i TAP on the table twice....and my Diamond makes a noise in response...letting me know its location.
Or maybe i have it in my pocket...
2)Tap once while the music is playing to change the track....or to silent a call...or to ignore it...
and i'm sure this could be used for alot of other things.....let me know what u guys think..
Its a simple suggestions...if this is worth any of ur time....i would love to see an application like this.
Peace...
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I am ready to develop the app. I have already downloaded the code for siesmo and changing it. But I am still trying to think of a really useful reason this app will accomplish.
So if people here can contribute and come up with some real reason.. it would be nice...
i mean I will still work on this irrespective ... and then may be share some code ...
ciao...

Maybe switching the screen on/off? I mean it would be good to get fast some info on missed calls/unread sms by taping the table

- answer a incoming call (and automatical switch the speakerphone on?!)
- next/prev track in s2p/music-tab/wmp
- chance profile (vibrate/mute/..)
- dismiss reminders/sms/calls and stuff
- find the phone on the desk

But probably this app should work only if Diamond is lying on a table - Gsensor in horizontal position I don't want my phone to do strange things when I walk with it in my pocket

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But probably this app should work only if Diamond is lying on a table - Gsensor in horizontal position I don't want my phone to do strange things when I walk with it in my pocket
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true!
That could also be preventable (most of the time) by instead of using one tap (fairly common occurance by chance) to three/or more taps.
The best use would really be to mute (music/mic/ring), while in pocket. That would really be useful. Just tap...tap...tap... and its mute.

Won't this kill your batteries? I mean you would have to poll the g sensor all the time in the background for it to work.
Also there is already G Trigger which could be configured to do something similar.

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Won't this kill your batteries? I mean you would have to poll the g sensor all the time in the background for it to work.
Also there is already G Trigger which could be configured to do something similar.
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I agree +1
Honestly i am still trying to find a good reason for this idea....

I am sure that if the code was written and could be made to do stuff with say a mort script, that people would find all kinds of unimaginable things that they could do with it!

I'm loving the feedbacks....
...like the issue with the battery.....very true..
but Seismo App .. was a battery drainer...but it was fun..
.We'll make it only poll if you run the application....it can still be useful...
say for instance ur studying and you were listening to songs on ur phone hooked up to the speakers...and you want to quickly change tracks...or ignore the call so u can keep listening....
or you studying and you wanna make notes of what ur reading...u tap once/twice..it starts recording..."note to self....blah blah blah " Tap again to end...
or Tap twice to run Microsoft Voice Command...
If it's not going to take too much effort..i really think its worth a try....i wish i could develop...i know i can do graphics...so i'll be helpful in that field...
peace,
Solidkundi

You know a new game from the wii - they had an idea with the tabs : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYiYzrSuyFs
Perhaps something like that - we hav the controler and the monitor in one device

So many uses!
Just imagine, one tap for pause, 2 for next song, 3 for prev. song.
Double tap the table and it lights up and shows notifications.
Would be wicked!

Or...
If you've got your phone in your pocket while playing music, and you want next song you tap one time against your pocket (with the phone in it).
Your phone recognizes it and plays the next song. If you tap twice, it plays the previous song. Of course you can make more combinations!
The reason why this could be very handy, is because it's very annoying to pull your phone out of your pocket if you want it to play another song.
A bit the same idea but then in your pocket...

damn right.....especially when the phone has silicone casing...
even when i get a call..and its in my pocket..it'll take me soo long sometimes i miss a call...no joke.. if i can answer it just by tapping on it...that'll be nice...so i can tell them to hold on for 5 minz. then struggle to take out the phone in my pocket.

Here's a video of samsung s8000 Jet...it can regonize taps on the phone.........maybe they're using the same method we're trying to achieve

General leo gripes !

right had this phone a few weeks now got most of the little niggles sorted with this forums help just a few others that bug me ....
1: there is a separate system and ringer volume ...but if you set one it changes the other!! they are not independent. this is a major bug for me because if i have my phone on vibrate while im at work, if i then want to listen to music at work i plug in my headphones and have to turn up the volume to listen to the music. but if i then take out my headphones the phone is now on loud. and if i forget and leave it on i get told off at work ! lol
2: the age old text reply problem. 200+ messages (and no i dont want to delete them) means a big wait to reply to a message ....stupid !
3: the lock screen slider is very odd, sometimes it will unlock with one slide and other times it will take a few goes...and if your showing off your new phone to someone it just looks crap because you cant even unlock it ! can the area of touch sensitivity around the lock button be increased in size to make it easier to unlock ???
anyway cheers Dom

1. The volumes can be set seperatley if you choose to, by default they are linked. To set them seperately you simply go to settings sounds and display, and set single volume to off!
2. You can use Microsoft MyPhone to archive your text messages, ie not deleted but not on your phone. I did this with 2000 messages that I dont really need to be stored on the phone.
3. No lock issues here, to increase the area would sort of defeat the whole point of the lock button

2: the age old text reply problem. 200+ messages (and no i dont want to delete them) means a big wait to reply to a message ....stupid !
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Just disable HTC Messaging and the problem is gone.
I wonder why people are still complaining about this, the fix is as easy as it gets. Really nothing worth talking about.

1: wow how did i not see that ?!?! i've looked in the menu about a million times ! haha cheers
2: yeah i have used that too but some messages i like to have with me so i can read them back......sentimental old sod i am...
3: i guess if no one else is having trouble it must just be me ! lol

You can disable the lock screen, if you want, with the following Registry setting:
[HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd] "DeviceLockWhenSuspend"=dword:0

right tried that and you still cant have the ringer on vibrate and the system on loud .... if you click vibrate on either it sets the other !!!!!!!!!

if you click vibrate on either it sets the other !!!!!!!!!
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This is normal for Windows Mobile and has nothing to do with HTC.
I don't know if there's a workaround.

well i dont care if its htc or win mobile .... its annoying ! lol

If you use something more powerful like G-Profile you can set up profiles with, for example, your txt/calls set to vibrate only. (Dont change the ringer volume to vibrate, instead change the incoming call notification to vibrate only. You can of course do this in Settings, but its easier with profiles)
It seems G-Profile is no longer free, but I am sure there are free alternatives if you search around.

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well i dont care if its htc or win mobile .... its annoying ! lol
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Not that I want to be rude, but other phones cannot even set different volumes for system/ringer. E.g. on the iPhone, you only get ONE volume and you can't do anything about it.
Actually, it's already a huge advantage of Windows Mobile that is has that feature.
And it's a huge advantage that there are programs like G-Profile that give you even more options.

maati said:
Not that I want to be rude, but other phones cannot even set different volumes for system/ringer. E.g. on the iPhone, you only get ONE volume and you can't do anything about it.
Actually, it's already a huge advantage of Windows Mobile that is has that feature.
And it's a huge advantage that there are programs like G-Profile that give you even more options.
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yeah i know but this is the first non-nokia phone i've had in about 5 years so its all a learning curve for me ! on the nokias you had profiles too so i guess i'll try this g-profile thingy ! thanks again ....

maati said:
Just disable HTC Messaging and the problem is gone.
I wonder why people are still complaining about this, the fix is as easy as it gets. Really nothing worth talking about.
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not sure if I'm correct here but I thought the messaging fix stopped mms working,
if wrong.sorry but I need to use both sms and mms

[REG] Better profile handling program

Hi guys, first post from me so excuse if theres some infos missing what you need, but I'll add as something is asked.
I'm a long user of Nokia phones and just changed my E90 into a Diamond. And the one thing that I really miss is that theres not exactly different profiles to choose from (or made your own). Theres only selections for silent and vibrate, other than the normal selections. And I really miss that from Nokia phones. Just a few simple clicks and phone has a loud theme with a different ringtone and SMS message sound, or then its almost quiet (like when my baby is sleeping).. I think you all get the picture, if you ever had Nokia phones =)
So my reguest is for someone to point out a program or if someone wants to make I would be glad, really glad I think some others would like these too
I could make another post but I'll just add few other programs also to here that maybe someone knows if there exists similar for Diamond
- BestProfiles (enable selected profiles to turn on at some time of day)
- FlipSilent (turn ur phone face-down and its on silent, works for alarming to go snooze)
- Putty (great for symbian phones but I found only programs that arent so good as this is)
Anyways thnx in advantage if someone can help a dude out...
PS. only had HTC for a few days but after starting using it I had to order a data-plan to my mobile and a better battery, but this was off-topic..

Try ageye's G-Profile (http://www.ageye.de/index.php?s=gprofile/about), you get a fully 14-days working demo and full app is just 5€! One of the most happily money spent ever for my Diamond, now I even have it start playing music when I plugin earphones/carkit and stop when disconnecting!

teorouge said:
Try ageye's G-Profile , you get a fully 14-days working demo and full app is just 5€! One of the most happily money spent ever for my Diamond, now I even have it start playing music when I plugin earphones/carkit and stop when disconnecting!
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I just installed it and it seems a fair try, tho it has a lot more possibilitys that i would actually need from a app might even help that dude out to translate it to my native language, like i just did to PocketShield, not finished yet but almost =)
Below again some off-topic, maybe some admin explains to me how to get rid of it =)
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Got that error from replying to your message and wondered first that wtf, i didnt put any links in my reply, and after that noticed that link from u to G-Profile