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Hallo
Possibly my question is silly, but I read several posts in this forum and did not find an answer.
Perhaps someone who know's what he's talking about can give me some lines on this:
Is it possible to get LINUX installed on the HTC Magician, somehow?
And: What would this be like? I only know Linux running (on) desktop machines, and I can hardly imagine Linux on a handheld/pocket pc. Are there distributions? Can SSH connection be done? Do I have the usual directory tree and kernel configuration?
It would be nice to give me some kind of crash-course like information.
Thanks,
Frank
There are two answers to your question..
The theoretical one:
Linux can run on almost anything that has a processor and some storage..
Linux can certainly run on any HTC device.
SSH would be possible and you will have the usual tree..
The real one:
No, there is no Linux for any HTC device that WORKS..
There are no distros, no SSH and no trees..
It is highly unlikely that we will ever see a Linux distro for the HTC devices.
Development takes too long, and the devices are incompatible with each other.
So distrodevelopment takes longer than HTC model development.
And nobodo wan't to continue working on an ANCIENT model.
There is a project that has started testing linux on the Wallaby..
You can read more about that in the Wiki..
I hope this answered your questions.
Bonzo said:
It is highly unlikely that we will ever see a Linux distro for the HTC devices.
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You have certainly have not seen these
pages
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelResearch
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel
and i can confirm that it is not made up.
With some small changes you can do the same
on Himalaya.
Fronk said:
Is it possible to get LINUX installed on the HTC Magician, somehow?
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Not right now. There is some information
about this device in wiki. You can provide more
info by running haret from
http://sdgsystems.com/pub/ipaq/hx4700/starterkit/20050611
cr2 said:
You have certainly have not seen these
pages
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelResearch
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel
and i can confirm that it is not made up.
With some small changes you can do the same
on Himalaya.
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You are absolutely correct!
I've only read the Himalaya part, and I have not seen any activity regarding Linux on the boards..
That's why I made my statement..
Good that you could correct me!
Hi, this is my first post on this forum, so feel free to delete it if I obey any rules, which I believe I don't.
I'm absolutely new to the PDA thing, I never had one, I never held one, and according to that, I never used one.
I think about buying one, but I still have too many unasked questions no one yet answered.
I definately don't want to use Windows on this one. So if there is a, let's say, chance higher than 50% that I won't be able to get Linux working on it, I simply won't buy it.
What I searched for and what I still need is an elaborated progress report, of how stable, fast and reasonable a HTC Universal can be used along with Linux. I'm so newbie that I don't even know if it will be able to do phone calls with Linux installed...
My provider is T-Mobile germany, and I could get one (called "MDA Pro" or "MDA IV") for 133€ (about 1:1 dollar, correct me if I am wrong)
I would get the "MDA Vario" for about 1€, but I cannot figure out the real model name, here is a picture:
http://www.audioelektronik.com/images/MDAVario.jpg
But back to my question: Who can offer a progress report? It would be perfect if the author would be at the same provider as me, but it's not really important. I also accept any provider proposals, as well as PDA proposals. I just thought of the Universal because I like the feature list and keyboard, but it won't be a problem to use a touchscreen exclusively.
So how usable is the HTC Universal with Linux? What can I do and what can't I?
You don't have to answer me myself if my questions are, at least partially, covered by a website. If you have any beginner information about installing, using and developing Linux on and for PDAs, I would love to see them.
If anyone prefers to contact me via ICQ, he is welcome to, I listed my number.
My jabber ID is: [email protected]
Hi,
we are doing our best to get Linux working on MDA Pro
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalProgress
Splendid, fast reply and good link. I'm sorry I couldn't find it. Anyone who is capable of it; feel free to delete this thread.
futlib said:
Splendid, fast reply and good link. I'm sorry I couldn't find it. Anyone who is capable of it; feel free to delete this thread.
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You can watch the detailed progress or help in this Thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=35972&start=800
Hm, I would like to get in touch with development, but I cannot find a detailed introduction focused at newcommers in the development forum.
I never used assembler on a PPC, and though I wanted, I never wrote a Linux kernel module.
This is off-topic in this forum, but do you have a link?
Also great would be an universal emulator to try out ROMs and work on them a little. Is anything available/in progress/planned?
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Hm, I would like to get in touch with development, but I cannot find a detailed introduction focused at newcommers in the development forum.
I never used assembler on a PPC, and though I wanted, I never wrote a Linux kernel module.
This is off-topic in this forum, but do you have a link?
Also great would be an universal emulator to try out ROMs and work on them a little. Is anything available/in progress/planned?
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First of all, you should go around the corner, find the next T-Mobile shop and by your MDA Pro device :`)
After that, you can follow the instructions installing Linux on a SD Card from the wiki page. The first link, i gave you.
After that, you can ask more questions in the "Linux on Universal" Thread :`)
Maybe if you are familar with Linux, you can help building a rootfs image.
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I never used assembler on a PPC, and though I wanted, I never wrote a Linux kernel module.
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You don't need to. The main problems are in the hardware
area, wince driver operation, nice wince GUI installer,
nice windows GUI installer, fixing bugs in Qt programs.
Also great would be an universal emulator to try out ROMs and work on them a little.
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We are testing everything on the real hardware.
Creating a device "emulator" is even more complicated
than fully porting Linux.
Okay, I think I'll really buy one.
I added you to ICQ EyeOfTheStorm, since I have some more questions and really don't want to flood the forum. Just greet me if you online, and if it doesn't bother
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Programming GUI programs is indeed my task at work atm, I think I could be of help in that part. I mainly use C and C++ and python. But I'll first need to buy my PDA, so...
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futlib said:
Okay, I think I'll really buy one.
I added you to ICQ EyeOfTheStorm, since I have some more questions and really don't want to flood the forum. Just greet me if you online, and if it doesn't bother
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Ups, my ICQ is depricated. Will never go online. So, if you have aditional Questions, ask in the Linux on Universal Forum.
Is there an IRC channel?
(this thread is so much of a chat ;D)
So, I'm only one step away from buying my device.
Now I only have some last questions I need answered before I buy it:
The root filesystem HAS to be on SD/MMC Cards <= 1024MB.
How do you guys exchange music etc.? Can I really not install the root filesystem on the internal memory of that device? Would 128 MB be enough?
I'm warned that my device could be damaged. If so, would the providers warranty apply? Or does it expire if I change the operating system?
The mini-howto tells me to do a backup, but I cannot find an explanation of how to do this.
I think it should just be a dd of the device when mounted on my workstation, but I prefer to have an explanation anyway.
Would I be able to reinstall this windows CE whatever thing whenever I want if I do a backup?
futlib said:
So, I'm only one step away from buying my device.
Now I only have some last questions I need answered before I buy it:
The root filesystem HAS to be on SD/MMC Cards <= 1024MB.
How do you guys exchange music etc.? Can I really not install the root filesystem on the internal memory of that device? Would 128 MB be enough?
I'm warned that my device could be damaged. If so, would the providers warranty apply? Or does it expire if I change the operating system?
The mini-howto tells me to do a backup, but I cannot find an explanation of how to do this.
I think it should just be a dd of the device when mounted on my workstation, but I prefer to have an explanation anyway.
Would I be able to reinstall this windows CE whatever thing whenever I want if I do a backup?
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As far as I know, we still have the 1GB SD Card limit. Yes, you have to install the rootfs on the SD Card. 128 MB are enough for hosting the basic rootfs image.
Well, I just bought this device. I will get it on the 20. of juni. (It's my birthday, and this is no coincidence ;D)
There is only one thing left of this list I really need to know:
Can I reinstall this windows CE thing?
I will perhaps hit a situation were I need something fully functionaning ASAP, so I'd love to know.
But I allready bought it, this is just important for my decision to install Linux on it. If I can somehow backup or reinstall this windows CE thing, I'll definately follow the guide and help development as good as possible for me.
I got my device, followed the guide, installed opie and gpe on it (first tried opie, didn't like the look and then switched to gpe. Found out that GPE cannot manage the universals monitor-spin and switched back to opie.) and now I have got everything up and running.
Couldn't find anything non-working yet too, though I still need to figure out how to make (at least the keyboard layout) german.
Now I also know that Opie/GPE can coexist with WinCE without problems, which makes me very happy.
But there is one thing that still bothers me:
I cannot go online via GPRS or make/accept phone calls when Linux is booted.
Is this possible at all? Neither Opie nor GPE do seem to have any software for doing a phone call.
Is there a guide on how to set up telephony and GPRS internet?
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Found some funky new resources:
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal
Is the page I have been searching for a while and
#htc-linux (@freenode)
is the channel I have been searching for a while.
The guys just told me that it is not (yet) possible to do phone calls, but they are working on it. I will try to compile and make the winCE installer working now.
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Hi Everyone,
I'm fairly new to developing on pocket PC's but I've been developing applications for many years. I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to redirect another programs attempt to access certain files remotely?
What I'm looking at doing is creating a program that would allow me to specify what IP/domain I want to redirect, and where I want those requests to actually go. Doing what the hosts file does in a PC.
I've had a search online and on this forum and couldn't find anything related to what I'm after. If anyone has any ideas on how to do this, or any resources that might be useful/a good read then please post
Supposedly WM has a built in firewall. It might just be CE, but the SDK seems to suggest WM generally. Have a look on MSDN for port redirection and interception. I've written some posts on it way back on here... but on unrelated topics.
Apologies for brevity, have to run
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vijay555 said:
Supposedly WM has a built in firewall. It might just be CE, but the SDK seems to suggest WM generally. Have a look on MSDN for port redirection and interception. I've written some posts on it way back on here... but on unrelated topics.
Apologies for brevity, have to run
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Thanks for the tips I'll have a read in a bit and see what I can come up with.
From the sounds of it, you want to make a DNS proxy. To do this, you need to intercept all dns requests and process them accordingly.
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Now that I think about it, if you hook the look up function, gethostbyname()
Hey guys.. I've seen Linux being run on other Pocket PCs.. is there a way to get Linux running on the Mogul? I don't mean as a permanent OS to be run I just wanted to try it out.
afaik, no one has yet built a stable linux release for any pocket pc phone. There have been attempts, but they are weak at best when it comes to functionality. some of them can't get past the command line or don't support the sound, etc...
So, the short answer is: no.
Also, in the future it would be better to add a question mark to your title so ppl know its a question and not a statement!
I entered the thread thinking you had found or developed linux for the mogul!
...would be awesome
like Dishe said, I've yet to see this successfully happen. while this would be cool, I think it would be more feasible to hope for some new cooked wm6 roms first, which people ARE working on. just be patient!
The following link has info on getting Linux running on many different Pocket PCs, unfortunately no progress has been made on the Mogul that I am aware of.
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FrontPage
see this post for more information on putting linux on the mogul http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341903
Hello all. I've just started a project to build a linux version that can be install in a pocket ppc architecture. So i'm looking for coders, designers, etc...
If you are interested, answer to this post or contact me in personal message. I'll manage a website for that project. There is no needs to say that this project will be completly FREE.
Embedded Linux Forum
For those who are interested, I've opened a forum about embedded Linux.
The forum is very new and it is waiting for peoples
you mean linux for wizard?
ok, i just want to wish you luck.. i seen 1-2 projects - no conclusion, or stable relz so far...
i set instant email notification ON for that post..
g'luck..
http://linwizard.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
good luck, and I can't wait!
After a lots of researchs, i've found there is already a big amount embedded linux distributions (commercial and free). But these distribution are a little complex for newbies, so i decided to make the forum to furnish tutorials and documentation and help for peoples who are interesting in putting Linux on there pocket pc.
I need your participation to the forum !! Questions , tutorials , etc...
I added some informations in the forul but I Still need people. There is a lot of questions asked whithout answers. For example in the project list, there is a project of a LiveSD Linux which you have certainly understood is a LiveCd of linux on a SD. I need programmer, especially for memory's allocation, coders, etc. I want to lead this forum at the first place to help all people who want to build there own embedded linux. The Forum
Interested, too...
At what point do you stay with any developement? Well, i am interested in Linux on my Vario, too.
And what is planned? Full featured Phone-Application, or only a stand-alone Linux?
Regards
Thomas
Both are possible but the better thing you can do is to post your idea or your questions is the FORUM
REGARDS
tommix1968 said:
i am interested in Linux on my Vario
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Vario is HTC Wizard ? The main problem are the CPLD gpios accessed over i2c. For some reason it does not work as expected
cr2 said:
Vario is HTC Wizard ? The main problem are the CPLD gpios accessed over i2c. For some reason it does not work as expected
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That where not so good news... But WM is only a Software, too.
Hmmm... about Linux in OMAP based devices... Just browsed on TI webpage and found this:
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...emplatedata/cm/general/data/wtbmiddl/sw/linux
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbusplashcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&contentId=4750
I think it may be helpfull... or not...
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Hmmm... about Linux in OMAP based devices... Just browsed on TI webpage and found this:
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...emplatedata/cm/general/data/wtbmiddl/sw/linux
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbusplashcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&contentId=4750
I think it may be helpfull... or not...
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very nice discovery, i might look into that once i get another phone to play with.