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Hi!
I just want to know if there is some success for getting Linux on the XDA? I've read that at the CCC Summercamp some people wanted to get starzted with it...
Damn i missed the camp... i live in Berlin, so it wouldnt have been a long travel :-(
greetings.... Jabba
Linux on XDA
Hi,
Just a quick update without any concrete stuff for people to play with yet. Basically good progress was made and a first very bare version of linux on the XDA can be expected soon (say within a month). Note that very bare means you can't do anything with it. However it will be a jump start installation to kickoff porting periperal support to it for anyone who wants to have a go at it.
does it mean that the guys from OPIE will be able to port their system in the near future with these guys from FAMILAR LINUX ?
I've read that they want to program a telephone api as well...
It would be great because Windows CE is not a OS stable enough for a Phone.
I can't imagine I have a phone have to reset every single day.
killercheung said:
It would be great because Windows CE is not a OS stable enough for a Phone.
I can't imagine I have a phone have to reset every single day.
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I reset my phone most mornings. Switch my XDA on to find that cooked in the XDA-Developers Kitchen Screen! I begin to believe that it actually switches off, not stand by.
This in-stability is the main reason I am moving on to a more stable Symbion device for my main phone. Pop a pay as you go chip in my XDA, it is one kick as toy!!
Jabba said:
does it mean that the guys from OPIE will be able to port their system in the near future with these guys from FAMILAR LINUX ?
I've read that they want to program a telephone api as well...
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In fact, there's an app/lib called gammu on Linux, which is a pretty generic phone manipulating/controlling software. It supports various type of phones including different models of nokia mobiles as well as generic gsm modems, etc.
I've written a phone app for the iPAQ (with the GSM/GPRS sleeve) on linux using this library. The current opie ipaq-phone actually uses gammu as well. So maybe at some point we may go from there.
http://www.mwiacek.com/english/gsm/gammu/gammu.html
I've also thought about starting to do a GPE phone too... :twisted:
so it seems that everything which is missing, is a port of familar Linux to XDA...
i really would like to help, but i'm no C(++) developer... and i guess Linux is NOT written in Java :shock: :wink:
Hallo
Possibly my question is silly, but I read several posts in this forum and did not find an answer.
Perhaps someone who know's what he's talking about can give me some lines on this:
Is it possible to get LINUX installed on the HTC Magician, somehow?
And: What would this be like? I only know Linux running (on) desktop machines, and I can hardly imagine Linux on a handheld/pocket pc. Are there distributions? Can SSH connection be done? Do I have the usual directory tree and kernel configuration?
It would be nice to give me some kind of crash-course like information.
Thanks,
Frank
There are two answers to your question..
The theoretical one:
Linux can run on almost anything that has a processor and some storage..
Linux can certainly run on any HTC device.
SSH would be possible and you will have the usual tree..
The real one:
No, there is no Linux for any HTC device that WORKS..
There are no distros, no SSH and no trees..
It is highly unlikely that we will ever see a Linux distro for the HTC devices.
Development takes too long, and the devices are incompatible with each other.
So distrodevelopment takes longer than HTC model development.
And nobodo wan't to continue working on an ANCIENT model.
There is a project that has started testing linux on the Wallaby..
You can read more about that in the Wiki..
I hope this answered your questions.
Bonzo said:
It is highly unlikely that we will ever see a Linux distro for the HTC devices.
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You have certainly have not seen these
pages
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelResearch
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel
and i can confirm that it is not made up.
With some small changes you can do the same
on Himalaya.
Fronk said:
Is it possible to get LINUX installed on the HTC Magician, somehow?
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Not right now. There is some information
about this device in wiki. You can provide more
info by running haret from
http://sdgsystems.com/pub/ipaq/hx4700/starterkit/20050611
cr2 said:
You have certainly have not seen these
pages
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelResearch
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel
and i can confirm that it is not made up.
With some small changes you can do the same
on Himalaya.
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You are absolutely correct!
I've only read the Himalaya part, and I have not seen any activity regarding Linux on the boards..
That's why I made my statement..
Good that you could correct me!
Hi, this is my first post on this forum, so feel free to delete it if I obey any rules, which I believe I don't.
I'm absolutely new to the PDA thing, I never had one, I never held one, and according to that, I never used one.
I think about buying one, but I still have too many unasked questions no one yet answered.
I definately don't want to use Windows on this one. So if there is a, let's say, chance higher than 50% that I won't be able to get Linux working on it, I simply won't buy it.
What I searched for and what I still need is an elaborated progress report, of how stable, fast and reasonable a HTC Universal can be used along with Linux. I'm so newbie that I don't even know if it will be able to do phone calls with Linux installed...
My provider is T-Mobile germany, and I could get one (called "MDA Pro" or "MDA IV") for 133€ (about 1:1 dollar, correct me if I am wrong)
I would get the "MDA Vario" for about 1€, but I cannot figure out the real model name, here is a picture:
http://www.audioelektronik.com/images/MDAVario.jpg
But back to my question: Who can offer a progress report? It would be perfect if the author would be at the same provider as me, but it's not really important. I also accept any provider proposals, as well as PDA proposals. I just thought of the Universal because I like the feature list and keyboard, but it won't be a problem to use a touchscreen exclusively.
So how usable is the HTC Universal with Linux? What can I do and what can't I?
You don't have to answer me myself if my questions are, at least partially, covered by a website. If you have any beginner information about installing, using and developing Linux on and for PDAs, I would love to see them.
If anyone prefers to contact me via ICQ, he is welcome to, I listed my number.
My jabber ID is: [email protected]
Hi,
we are doing our best to get Linux working on MDA Pro
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalProgress
Splendid, fast reply and good link. I'm sorry I couldn't find it. Anyone who is capable of it; feel free to delete this thread.
futlib said:
Splendid, fast reply and good link. I'm sorry I couldn't find it. Anyone who is capable of it; feel free to delete this thread.
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You can watch the detailed progress or help in this Thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=35972&start=800
Hm, I would like to get in touch with development, but I cannot find a detailed introduction focused at newcommers in the development forum.
I never used assembler on a PPC, and though I wanted, I never wrote a Linux kernel module.
This is off-topic in this forum, but do you have a link?
Also great would be an universal emulator to try out ROMs and work on them a little. Is anything available/in progress/planned?
futlib said:
Hm, I would like to get in touch with development, but I cannot find a detailed introduction focused at newcommers in the development forum.
I never used assembler on a PPC, and though I wanted, I never wrote a Linux kernel module.
This is off-topic in this forum, but do you have a link?
Also great would be an universal emulator to try out ROMs and work on them a little. Is anything available/in progress/planned?
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First of all, you should go around the corner, find the next T-Mobile shop and by your MDA Pro device :`)
After that, you can follow the instructions installing Linux on a SD Card from the wiki page. The first link, i gave you.
After that, you can ask more questions in the "Linux on Universal" Thread :`)
Maybe if you are familar with Linux, you can help building a rootfs image.
futlib said:
I never used assembler on a PPC, and though I wanted, I never wrote a Linux kernel module.
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You don't need to. The main problems are in the hardware
area, wince driver operation, nice wince GUI installer,
nice windows GUI installer, fixing bugs in Qt programs.
Also great would be an universal emulator to try out ROMs and work on them a little.
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We are testing everything on the real hardware.
Creating a device "emulator" is even more complicated
than fully porting Linux.
Okay, I think I'll really buy one.
I added you to ICQ EyeOfTheStorm, since I have some more questions and really don't want to flood the forum. Just greet me if you online, and if it doesn't bother
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Programming GUI programs is indeed my task at work atm, I think I could be of help in that part. I mainly use C and C++ and python. But I'll first need to buy my PDA, so...
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futlib said:
Okay, I think I'll really buy one.
I added you to ICQ EyeOfTheStorm, since I have some more questions and really don't want to flood the forum. Just greet me if you online, and if it doesn't bother
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Ups, my ICQ is depricated. Will never go online. So, if you have aditional Questions, ask in the Linux on Universal Forum.
Is there an IRC channel?
(this thread is so much of a chat ;D)
So, I'm only one step away from buying my device.
Now I only have some last questions I need answered before I buy it:
The root filesystem HAS to be on SD/MMC Cards <= 1024MB.
How do you guys exchange music etc.? Can I really not install the root filesystem on the internal memory of that device? Would 128 MB be enough?
I'm warned that my device could be damaged. If so, would the providers warranty apply? Or does it expire if I change the operating system?
The mini-howto tells me to do a backup, but I cannot find an explanation of how to do this.
I think it should just be a dd of the device when mounted on my workstation, but I prefer to have an explanation anyway.
Would I be able to reinstall this windows CE whatever thing whenever I want if I do a backup?
futlib said:
So, I'm only one step away from buying my device.
Now I only have some last questions I need answered before I buy it:
The root filesystem HAS to be on SD/MMC Cards <= 1024MB.
How do you guys exchange music etc.? Can I really not install the root filesystem on the internal memory of that device? Would 128 MB be enough?
I'm warned that my device could be damaged. If so, would the providers warranty apply? Or does it expire if I change the operating system?
The mini-howto tells me to do a backup, but I cannot find an explanation of how to do this.
I think it should just be a dd of the device when mounted on my workstation, but I prefer to have an explanation anyway.
Would I be able to reinstall this windows CE whatever thing whenever I want if I do a backup?
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As far as I know, we still have the 1GB SD Card limit. Yes, you have to install the rootfs on the SD Card. 128 MB are enough for hosting the basic rootfs image.
Well, I just bought this device. I will get it on the 20. of juni. (It's my birthday, and this is no coincidence ;D)
There is only one thing left of this list I really need to know:
Can I reinstall this windows CE thing?
I will perhaps hit a situation were I need something fully functionaning ASAP, so I'd love to know.
But I allready bought it, this is just important for my decision to install Linux on it. If I can somehow backup or reinstall this windows CE thing, I'll definately follow the guide and help development as good as possible for me.
I got my device, followed the guide, installed opie and gpe on it (first tried opie, didn't like the look and then switched to gpe. Found out that GPE cannot manage the universals monitor-spin and switched back to opie.) and now I have got everything up and running.
Couldn't find anything non-working yet too, though I still need to figure out how to make (at least the keyboard layout) german.
Now I also know that Opie/GPE can coexist with WinCE without problems, which makes me very happy.
But there is one thing that still bothers me:
I cannot go online via GPRS or make/accept phone calls when Linux is booted.
Is this possible at all? Neither Opie nor GPE do seem to have any software for doing a phone call.
Is there a guide on how to set up telephony and GPRS internet?
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Found some funky new resources:
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal
Is the page I have been searching for a while and
#htc-linux (@freenode)
is the channel I have been searching for a while.
The guys just told me that it is not (yet) possible to do phone calls, but they are working on it. I will try to compile and make the winCE installer working now.
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Is it possible to develop a Slax NAND build for HD2?
Everything is possible, but someone needs to do it and this often depends on general or personal interest.. And as we see there isn't much interest even in Ubuntu.. Sadly..
I interested on this...
What's that? Linux? If yes, it should more easier to port it to the HD2...
WAIT! Where is the source code?
hopkinskong said:
I interested on this...
What's that? Linux? If yes, it should more easier to port it to the HD2...
WAIT! Where is the source code?
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It's a tiny linux @ slax.org and
yehoo said:
It's a tiny linux @ slax.org and
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and? and what?
hopkinskong said:
and? and what?
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Oh God the suspense!!!
Looks like a 'normal' Linux distro..
We already have Ubuntu if you want KDE.
Well its small enough to be flashed to NAND.
yeah this would actually be interestingly enough to port its only 200 MBs not bad if only someone started getting interested into building it, does sound like quite a treat
I'd use it. Wish I could build. D:
I interested on this and i want to compile it, just can't find the source...
If i can find the source, i also don't know where to start... This is my first porting!
PS: Only SD Version lol, i don't like flashing HSPL on my phone
I don't know why people seem to think there is no interest in Ubuntu on the HD2 anymore, people have just switched to using the nand version of android so without the magldr version being released people can't use ubuntu on their phones, I personally have been waiting for the last few months for the magldr version to launch but it seems like the project is dead, some users have reported getting it working but no one seems willing to explain in detail how they did it, or upload a working version them selves. Back to the topic, I would love to have slax as well.
great idea
this Slax is actually the best idea i've seen so far, when it comes to linux distro's on our HD2. now i can see why ubuntu is popular for desktops and laptops, and it's nice that it comes with all that bloatware so you can just run it right out of the box. in fact i currently run linux mint on my laptop and desktop at home which is very similar to ubuntu. i enjoy it a lot.
however, when it comes to our phones we dont necessarily need all that extra stuff hogging space, processor etc. if we could get Slax going, then we could choose those programs we want through the repository and who doesn't like to customize?
above all, this would also increase performance, as we've all come to learn that when it comes to computing, less programs = better. if i was in charge of the whole operation, i would suspend all linux projects right now and focus all elements on the Slax project. get this running and then branch from it.
2 big selling points...
1. size, Ubuntu 3+ gigs - Slax 200MB
2. portability. Slax is designed to be a 'pocket operating system' as it says on it's home page.
hope this gets going +1 for bringing it to attention.
Slax - your pocket operating system
I have recently uploaded guides to running Ubuntu, Debian etc at good speed under Nandroid. Check the Ubuntu Dev Forum.
Great, a big bump first
Ok, i just tried, Slackware worked on HD2 via MAGLDR(I didn't get WM6.5, so i didn't test on HaRET)
I have boot into runlevel 3(multiuser mode, hardware btn work)
but when i switch to runlevel 4, i can't start my GDM/KDE,XDE, and i have searched halfday on the web i can't find any solution...
I tried GDM for i486, it returned:
Code:
gdm-binary:cannot execute binary file
And i can't find any GDM for ARM... Hmm Yes, i find a GDM for arm, but it is debian...
So any solution?
Things need to be do more research:
Make GUI back using GDM/KDE/XDE
touchscreen?
3G?
Wifi?
I can't continue if i can't solve the GDM problem!
btw, i know slackware would very fast it was only ~200 MB, it would be faster if i put this on NAND, but how?
have you tried grabing the source for the GDM from wither the backtrack or ubuntu repos? with the source alone, you should be able to compile it into SLAX (if the lack of a custom kernel will let you though, ive been having that problem frequently with the BT im working on.)
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have you tried grabing the source for the GDM from wither the backtrack or ubuntu repos? with the source alone, you should be able to compile it into SLAX (if the lack of a custom kernel will let you though, ive been having that problem frequently with the BT im working on.)
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Will it be great just grab this?
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/
Thanks
I was thinking the easyist way to get it is to boot up bt or Ubuntu, go to synaptic, and find the source in there. I thougt I saw it in bt, but I can't check, all my batteries are dead lol
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z3nful said:
I was thinking the easyist way to get it is to boot up bt or Ubuntu, go to synaptic, and find the source in there. I thougt I saw it in bt, but I can't check, all my batteries are dead lol
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I just clone the git, then i can't continue, i received this error:
Code:
[email protected]:~/Desktop/HD2Slackware/gdm/gdm$ ./autogen.sh
No such schema 'org.gnome.power-manager'
No such schema 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.media-keys'
**Error**: Script `./data/make-dconf-override-db.sh' failed
But i have installed Power Manager already
And because i can't find gdm-source/dev in the package manager, so i think the HD2 Ubuntu will have a same result...
So... What should i do?
Thanks
Update:
I just grabbed a tar.gz from their site and it already contains "configure" file, so i don't need to do autogen.sh
And now its the problem, how to cross compile that stuff?
make <-- No error, but where is the product?
make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/path-of-toolchain <--- the result is same as running "make", i think it igroned my cross compile var lol
I felt sleepy, see your reply tomorrow... (Its 4:20 AM lol)
I got no idea, I've mainly just worked with debian/Ubuntu :/ I clouldnt find the right sources either
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I've looked around on stack overflow and other places trying to find answers. I have software I want to install on my phone so I can more easily chat, send files, links, etc. on LANs that I work within throughout my day. This program works well for me: https://www.beebeep.net/download
I can use this on my windows and linux boxes. I want to integrate my phones into this communications array.
I'm looking at the snapcraft or any of the other linux variants. I can't figure out how to run a linux app on droid.
I can ssh through the terminal and so on. I can perform other functions that one normally does in BASH though now that I think of it, I haven't tried crontab. Anyway, how could I get this BeeBeep script to work on my android? Can anyone help solve this problem?
I have not seen anything on this, but very interested in this Linux development...
I did see an XDA section for only Ubuntu Touch...
I don't know about direct onto android but apparently it can be done to Chromebooks and I know that android apps can be converted to work on Chromebooks too so perhaps it can be reversed?
https://www.androidcentral.com/how-install-linux-apps-your-chromebook
So basically if an app could be converted to work on a Chromebook could it then be further converted to work on Android?
Seems like a long shot but you never know.
I've seen Windows apps / games work on Android, I've had Wolfenstein, quake arena and doom 3 ports on my phone so I would assume that Linux being a much closer cousin to Android would be an easier chore.
What you need is a framework to do the work for you, not to emulate but to directly port..
Can't find much online but I think if you dig enough you may find something
Certainly interesting though, best of luck pal.
If I find something, I'll post in development. This is a backburner project, but clearly it's one I need to take on myself. Thanx for your responses.