Don't know if this has been posted before (did a search for battery replacement didn't find any article abt it), just surfing the net trying to find battery for my Tilt and found those information about the Wing, thought to share with all Wing users.
http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/tmobile_replacing_overheatable.html
http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobile-a...faulty-dynapack-t-mobile-wing-batteries-3126/
Cheers
thanks for the info its time to get me a new battery
Funny thing is, just a couple weeks ago out of no where and not prompted by me at all, Tmobile sent me a new battery for my Wing. It has a small bend in the corner but it seems usable. I don't see myself using it for quite some time as my battery now is perfect but i guess I have a backup whenever I need it!
i didn't receive a battery maybe mine isn't a dynapack, too lazy to get up and look.
even though this isn't rom related it is very important information. I would like to know what date and how to tell if your pack is a dynapack though.
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even though this isn't rom related it is very important information. I would like to know what date and how to tell if your pack is a dynapack though.
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If you just open your case it says at the top of the battery. So, how do you go about getting a replacement battery? Call Tmobile and complain about my battery overheating?
Here is my battery and I still haven't received a replacement. My phone has never even been left in the heat or anything. It expanded to more than double its original size and broke the back cover to where I had to purchase a new cover. Should I be able to contact them about a new one cuz I've heard of ppl trying that and T-Mobile plays dumb about it.
EDIT: I also only use the supplied charger and usb cable.
mcdavey said:
even though this isn't rom related it is very important information. I would like to know what date and how to tell if your pack is a dynapack though.
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If you just open your case it says at the top of the battery.
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Here is my battery and I still haven't received a replacement. My phone has never even been left in the heat or anything. It expanded to more than double its original size and broke the back cover to where I had to purchase a new cover. Should I be able to contact them about a new one cuz I've heard of ppl trying that and T-Mobile plays dumb about it.
EDIT: I also only use the supplied charger and usb cable.
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That looks awful and it's dangerous to use battery in that state... Call Tmobile tech support and ask I guess...
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Here is my battery and I still haven't received a replacement. My phone has never even been left in the heat or anything. It expanded to more than double its original size and broke the back cover to where I had to purchase a new cover. Should I be able to contact them about a new one cuz I've heard of ppl trying that and T-Mobile plays dumb about it.
EDIT: I also only use the supplied charger and usb cable.
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I called tmobile last night, and said my battery was overheating, and that I saw online there was a recall on the dynapack batteries. After being transferred to about 6 different people, I was finally transferred to HTC's support number. Unfortunately, it was closed, so I plan on calling today and seeing what they say. From what I understand, they know about this issue, so they should just end out a new one. I'll report back after I call.
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I called tmobile last night, and said my battery was overheating, and that I saw online there was a recall on the dynapack batteries. After being transferred to about 6 different people, I was finally transferred to HTC's support number. Unfortunately, it was closed, so I plan on calling today and seeing what they say. From what I understand, they know about this issue, so they should just end out a new one. I'll report back after I call.
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Good deal man hopefully they actually have customer service unlike t mobile. I dont use that battery anymore once it expanded and broke the back cover and the actual phone where it holds the back cover. So I had to use the warranty and im on my second one now. After taking it out it kept expanding more and more and is now about 3/4 of an inch thick. The cell inside is like a huge bubble!
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Good deal man hopefully they actually have customer service unlike t mobile. I dont use that battery anymore once it expanded and broke the back cover and the actual phone where it holds the back cover. So I had to use the warranty and im on my second one now. After taking it out it kept expanding more and more and is now about 3/4 of an inch thick. The cell inside is like a huge bubble!
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Well, just got off the phone with tmobile, and they sent me to HTC's support. They checked the serial number and it was outside the warranty so they said they couldn't do anything for me. They suggested to purchase a new battery. I'm at work, so I really didn't have time to get into it with them, and I would think if I spoke with a supervisor and told them they didn't want a lawsuit, they should replace it. Either way, no luck so far, but I might call back later after work.
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Well, just got off the phone with tmobile, and they sent me to HTC's support. They checked the serial number and it was outside the warranty so they said they couldn't do anything for me. They suggested to purchase a new battery. I'm at work, so I really didn't have time to get into it with them, and I would think if I spoke with a supervisor and told them they didn't want a lawsuit, they should replace it. Either way, no luck so far, but I might call back later after work.
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I dont see what warranty has to do with it if it was RECALLED!!!
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I dont see what warranty has to do with it if it was RECALLED!!!
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Yeah I don't get it either....I guess I'm going to have to call and speak with a manager and let em have it. It's just a hassle though.
Dude i've never called T-Mobile without it being a hassle. Of course I never WANTED to stay on the phone for an hour, but I think i've been on the phone AT LEAST 40 minutes the 3-4 times i've had to call them. You would think they get paid to transfer. It's all they do, lol. I read somewhere on here (and other places) that you could get the wing for like $100 with a "Windows Mobile" promotional code. I called and spoke to a customer service rep. about it and she said the code was accepted. It worked. I said what plan I wanted and that I wanted unlimited text/data. She made it happen and I got my phone a few days later. I waited a few days and then called back to make sure I got the deal I said I was going to get. Basically every person I spoke to said they are "sorry" that it happened and whatever else. So instead of me paying between $150-200 to get the phone + activate it, I had to pay like $400-450 regular price. A big difference, especially when you're trying to save for a down payment on a new car. So I had to send it back and cancel the service. And I was forced to pay like a $50-55 bill when I wanted to re-open my account this time around a month or so ago. And I only used the phone for like 2 days at that time too! It was a big hassle.
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Dude i've never called T-Mobile without it being a hassle. Of course I never WANTED to stay on the phone for an hour, but I think i've been on the phone AT LEAST 40 minutes the 3-4 times i've had to call them. You would think they get paid to transfer. It's all they do, lol. I read somewhere on here (and other places) that you could get the wing for like $100 with a "Windows Mobile" promotional code. I called and spoke to a customer service rep. about it and she said the code was accepted. It worked. I said what plan I wanted and that I wanted unlimited text/data. She made it happen and I got my phone a few days later. I waited a few days and then called back to make sure I got the deal I said I was going to get. Basically every person I spoke to said they are "sorry" that it happened and whatever else. So instead of me paying between $150-200 to get the phone + activate it, I had to pay like $400-450 regular price. A big difference, especially when you're trying to save for a down payment on a new car. So I had to send it back and cancel the service. And I was forced to pay like a $50-55 bill when I wanted to re-open my account this time around a month or so ago. And I only used the phone for like 2 days at that time too! It was a big hassle.
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WOW thats garbage man, yeah T-Mobile sucks anyway... No 3G, horrible coverage area, hell I really miss my Verizon!!!
well at least it's cheap.....
are they still doing this? I have a dynapack, purchased in aug 2007.
wrong number mabey?
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Dude i've never called T-Mobile without it being a hassle. Of course I never WANTED to stay on the phone for an hour, but I think i've been on the phone AT LEAST 40 minutes the 3-4 times i've had to call them. You would think they get paid to transfer. It's all they do, lol. I read somewhere on here (and other places) that you could get the wing for like $100 with a "Windows Mobile" promotional code. I called and spoke to a customer service rep. about it and she said the code was accepted. It worked. I said what plan I wanted and that I wanted unlimited text/data. She made it happen and I got my phone a few days later. I waited a few days and then called back to make sure I got the deal I said I was going to get. Basically every person I spoke to said they are "sorry" that it happened and whatever else. So instead of me paying between $150-200 to get the phone + activate it, I had to pay like $400-450 regular price. A big difference, especially when you're trying to save for a down payment on a new car. So I had to send it back and cancel the service. And I was forced to pay like a $50-55 bill when I wanted to re-open my account this time around a month or so ago. And I only used the phone for like 2 days at that time too! It was a big hassle.
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Dude, that sucks. I used the windows mobile promo and I got the wing for 50 dollars, with a 1 year contract and a free blue-tooth.
Mabey it did not work for you because you called a custormer rep and not the promotion hotline. I forgot the number but the first time I called I got some B**** who was telling me this 90 day crap. Then I kept on calling till I got this cool guy who told me what i needed to do. A few days later my wing arrived! ps i brought the code on ebay for $5.
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well at least it's cheap.....
are they still doing this? I have a dynapack, purchased in aug 2007.
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I havent really seen where they are cheap. When I had verizon with the unlimited (fast)internet it costed less than my t mobile with no internet. Its a family plan w/ 2 lines. I dunno.... as soon as my contract is up I'm a goner, hell by then i'll be deployed anyway so its cool....
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well at least it's cheap.....
are they still doing this? I have a dynapack, purchased in aug 2007.
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Yeah, they are still doing it. I would call immediately. Eventually, they will transfer you to HTC's service. THey have a way of checking the purchase date from the serial number on your phone. BTW, you will have to call from another phone....but I would do it now before it's out of warranty.
i bought desktop dock with spare battery charger for a Sprint HTC Touch Pro
got it in the mail today.
it charges the phone, and i guess the battery charger works, the indicator light sucks however. it's always lit green even when a battery isnt in it.
and the dock doesnt sync to the computer like it should.
i got it to do it once, but it wont do it again.
its dumb.
completely disappointed after waiting 2 weeks for this.
i filed a claim with them and i want a full refund.
the silicon case i bought was also terrible. rubber was cut jaggedly and looked as if it was ripped.
just terrible.
DoughStackzHF said:
i bought desktop dock with spare battery charger for a Sprint HTC Touch Pro
got it in the mail today.
it charges the phone, and i guess the battery charger works, the indicator light sucks however. it's always lit green even when a battery isnt in it.
and the dock doesnt sync to the computer like it should.
i got it to do it once, but it wont do it again.
its dumb.
completely disappointed after waiting 2 weeks for this.
i filed a claim with them and i want a full refund.
the silicon case i bought was also terrible. rubber was cut jaggedly and looked as if it was ripped.
just terrible.
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That's bad - unusual for them too... I've been using them for years now since my first Pocket PC phone which was a Siemens SX45 (look that one up!). Always had great service out of them, and courteous responses to my email. When I ordered my eeePC crystal case I got the wrong one by accident and they immediately sent me the right one no questions asked, and once the clip form my leather case broke after about 3 months, I asked about getting a replacement expecting a cost, and lo and behold a whole new case and clip arrived free of charge!
Give them a chance to sort it out for you.. which cradle did you go for? The basic square one or the new Kidigi one? I have gone for Kidigi and am awaiting it's arrival form them.
well, i didnt say i was unsatisfied with the customer service.
i just contacted them today and waiting to hear back.
so i didnt mean to sound as if i HATED them.
but now i'm debating whether its even worth sending the stuff back and waiting 4-6 weeks.
at least the charger still works. ill just buy another cradle just for the computer i guess.
this is the one i got.
http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=02824&dept_id=005&cat_id=0199
they responded with an email and confirmed my order number, so hopefully they'll take care of the situation
as i said before, disappointed with the PRODUCTS, now let's see if the customer service can redeem it
wow. well you were right.
customer service is excellent.
they shipped me out a new item the next day.
awating arrival now.
hopefully this one works.
way to pick it up Brando, great customer service.
DoughStackzHF said:
wow. well you were right.
customer service is excellent.
they shipped me out a new item the next day.
awating arrival now.
hopefully this one works.
way to pick it up Brando, great customer service.
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Told ya! LOL NO seriously I'm glad they sorted it for you.
Warning: Take this with a grain of salt. I got this info from a sales rep at a corporate t-mobile store.
So I went to a t-mobile store over the weekend, I had a issue with my back cover, and asked about any new batteries. The guy gave me a new back cover and a 2nd battery to hold me over until the new ones came out. He told me starting next week, the new G1s will be shipping with a better extended battery, and should be starting a replacement program for current g1 owners. I just hope its true.
lol i just bought an extended 2200mAh battery ><
ah well, only cost me £15. sure hope i get another one though
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lol i just bought an extended 2200mAh battery ><
ah well, only cost me £15. sure hope i get another one though
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I doubt tmobile uk would ever do anything like this... it was meant to be happening in us
Meltus said:
lol i just bought an extended 2200mAh battery ><
ah well, only cost me £15. sure hope i get another one though
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Care to share where you've ordered it for 15 quid? I want one too...
good old ebay
but unfortunatly the seller has closed his ebay account for whatever reason which is a shame. damn good battery too.
heres his account anyway http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/bestpower-uk
Meltus said:
good old ebay
but unfortunatly the seller has closed his ebay account for whatever reason which is a shame. damn good battery too.
heres his account anyway http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/bestpower-uk
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I am sure you can still find his email if you used paypal and pass it over to him. just an idea.
his e-mail (or the company's email) is [email protected] good old paypal
also, the battery as £10 with £5 delivery.
delivery time was a bit ****.
I doubt this.
I know that randomly you can get some quick help from T-mo stores when it comes to extra phone parts laying around, but I was having issues with my phone back (grey one) fading to some brownish color.
I called to see if they would cover it under warranty and I was told that they do not stock any battery covers for warranty replacements.
IF they were to warranty a phone, they would have you send them the phone and that I would keep the battery and battery cover.
Since this would not fix my problem, they said they would have to replace the whole phone.
(Since my phone is rooted), I did not want to do this so I told them it was poor service to make me send in my whole phone for a battery back cover which I could get from HTC (which was in stock) for 15.00 + S&H.
So the Rep at the PDA support spoke with his supervisor and credited my account with the cost of replacing the battery back.
Long story short, if they can't even replace the battery or phone w/o sending the WHOLE phone back, then why would they even have extra of either laying around.
P.S. I went with the black back, no point in it fading again. It also looks kinda like a Storm Trooper now.
I walked in and showed them the back of my phone, and they grabbed a replacement back cover for me. But I did got to a corporate store.
the battery replacment program may not be too far off. when i had my wing a new battery got sent to me by T-Mo...........saying that some had experienced overheating problem and such.
the pacakge arrived out of no where.........all i had to do to not be charged was send back the old battery.
so it may come to fruition for our G1's
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yeah, but they replaced the battery because it was like catching fire, not because the life sucks
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well my battery is like heating oven... especially when connected and im using it.. omg! i can get burned with that thing.
So 3 days ago I bought a brand new G2 off cragislist (still had all the peel off stickers) for 200. The guy said he had it replaced by t-mobile cause his old phone didn't send mms or something. His daughter bought him a newer phone so he decided to sell this one. Anyway, he gave me his old battery and battery cover since tmo didn't include it.
when I first got it the battery life was terrible, and I didn't even have the data plan hooked up yet. After connecting to my wifi and surfing/downloading apps, about 10% drained in less than a few minutes. I let it drop to 30% and charged it fully (first time). The first thing I noticed was that it was kinda "stuck" at 100% for a while... then it dropped to about 96% and started draining from there. I then made sure to turn all the data and wifi off and went to sleep when it was at 78%. Woke up 8 hours later and it dropped to 71.
Now my question is, should I have charged it all the way, then played with it til it died, then recharge it again? Or is that unnecessary since the battery is old anyway and it doesn't matter if its a new phone?
After a few more charges, it seems like the battery is a bit better but I'd still like for it to last longer. I still feel like I'm getting inaccurate readings though. Still gets stuck at 100%, then at 70%. Should I let it die all the way to calibrate the battery?
Also, I heard rooting the phone and flashing the cm7 rom will improve battery life, is that true? Cause I had the mytouch3G a while ago so I'm sorta familiar with the rooting process but I didn't notice any battery improvements.
Thanks.
edit: the phone came with the 2.3.3 firmware.
The age of the battery is irrelevant since the phone is new, and the phone calibrates itself based on how you use it to give the best possible battery life, aside from the occasional run-away app/process. It is always best to take the battery all the way dead and fully charge a few times (like 3-5) to get the most out of it. This has been my experience, and what Tmo recommends when you buy any new android phone from them.
I contacted HTC to inquire how they recommend the battery be charged. Below is their response:
A lithium-ion cell phone battery needs to be conditioned when brand new. For the first three charge cycles, fully charge the battery overnight and allow it to fully discharge before recharging. Extensive overcharging may damage a Lithium-ion battery or if it is left on the charger for more than 24 hours.
Lithium-ion batteries operate more poorly at low temperatures. Temperatures below freezing can cause the battery to lose its discharge levels and sputter out more quickly. While these batteries do not suffer from memory effect, they should be fully charged and discharged every 30 uses.
I've got a G2 with the 2.3.3 firmware, just received as an insurance replacement last week.
I can confirm that the battery life is appallingly bad. I used to go through 75% of one battery in a day, I'm going through two batteries daily now.
This beta build is a POS!
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So is it too late to condition the battery since I've been using it for a few days now?
For those that are rooted and running a custom ROM, did you notice any improvements in battery life? I'd imagine the power management is better and that getting rid of all the tmo bloatware would make it easier on the batt.
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rommy0515 said:
I've got a G2 with the 2.3.3 firmware, just received as an insurance replacement last week.
I can confirm that the battery life is appallingly bad. I used to go through 75% of one battery in a day, I'm going through two batteries daily now.
This beta build is a POS!
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Glad I'm not the only one with this issue. What firmware were you running on your old phone? And would I be able to downgrade?
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htc420 said:
Glad I'm not the only one with this issue. What firmware were you running on your old phone? And would I be able to downgrade?
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I was running CM 7.0.3 with fairly heavy daily usage. Have you noticed any other problems? I've noticed that apps don't show up in the app drawer unless you powercycle after download. Also, the browser seems to crash a lot, and it isn't playing well with the Amazon appstore. (Most of my apps that I had acquired on Amazon apparently can't be downloaded.)
There is a known battery drain issue on gingerbread for all phones. Also lithium ion batteries do not need to be discharged as this damages the battery itself. They are smart enough not to not require calibration.
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So is it too late to condition the battery since I've been using it for a few days now?
For those that are rooted and running a custom ROM, did you notice any improvements in battery life? I'd imagine the power management is better and that getting rid of all the tmo bloatware would make it easier on the batt.
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Incidentally, if the phone was brand new, never been used, it probably shows in the "Device Model Warranty Tool" as a new phone with a twelve month manufacturer warranty and a three month accessories warranty. (The DMWT is an internal tool the TMO reps use to verify your warranty status)
You should be able to get an extra battery just by calling up and telling them that the battery you have dies very quickly. (All batteries have a 90 day warranty on them, and they don't require you to send back the old battery they just send you a replacement.) Tell them you've tried the master reset and playing around with the display settings and all that jazz. The trick is, whatever they suggest, just tell them you've already done it and sound convincing.
If the rep gives you a hard time, just call back and tell the next rep that your phone is randomly powering off and when they ask you if you've tried another battery, tell them no, because you don't have another battery to test. Lol, it's best if you sound kind of confused when they ask you that question That should lead them to a battery replacement on their troubleshooting flow.
Source: I worked for TMO in customer service and technical support for three years.
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I was running CM 7.0.3 with fairly heavy daily usage. Have you noticed any other problems? I've noticed that apps don't show up in the app drawer unless you powercycle after download. Also, the browser seems to crash a lot, and it isn't playing well with the Amazon appstore. (Most of my apps that I had acquired on Amazon apparently can't be downloaded.)
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I don't have any problems with apps not showing up. My browser is just fine, it hasn't crashed once on me. Lastly, I don't use Amazon for apps, so I wouldn't know.
rommy0515 said:
Incidentally, if the phone was brand new, never been used, it probably shows in the "Device Model Warranty Tool" as a new phone with a twelve month manufacturer warranty and a three month accessories warranty. (The DMWT is an internal tool the TMO reps use to verify your warranty status)
You should be able to get an extra battery just by calling up and telling them that the battery you have dies very quickly. (All batteries have a 90 day warranty on them, and they don't require you to send back the old battery they just send you a replacement.) Tell them you've tried the master reset and playing around with the display settings and all that jazz. The trick is, whatever they suggest, just tell them you've already done it and sound convincing.
If the rep gives you a hard time, just call back and tell the next rep that your phone is randomly powering off and when they ask you if you've tried another battery, tell them no, because you don't have another battery to test. Lol, it's best if you sound kind of confused when they ask you that question That should lead them to a battery replacement on their troubleshooting flow.
Source: I worked for TMO in customer service and technical support for three years.
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Thanks for the suggestion man! I'll call them right now.
Do I need to give them the serial numbers, etc on the back of the phone or will they see it in their system? cause I have a hard plastic case on it and it's a bit of a pain to remove it.
Tell them that you aren't calling from the phone, otherwise they'll probably give you a hard time and try and get you on a different phone for "troubleshooting."
It might be easier if you waited about three days before you call, make a few phone calls with the new phone so that it shows up on their system. (Phones show up on the warranty system after the system "tags" them and you have to make a phone call for that to happen)
You can always get the IMEI number by hitting "*#06#" (no quotation marks) from within your dialer.
And don't tell them you bought it off Craigslist. Tell them you got it brand new for full retail at one of their third party dealer locations. (Car Toys, Jacks Cell Phone Emporium, The Phone store, whatever, it doesn't matter what you tell them, they won't look it up)
(Just in case you already called and they gave you a hard time, just call back a couple of times with some complicated troubleshooting questions, dropped calls are a good one for this and get the memo "buried" then call back and try again for the battery.)
Oh, wait, belay my last. Lol, sorry, I just realized I might be about to lead you astray.
You need to wait 14 days before you try this. If you do it before 14 days are up they're going to tell you to return the phone to the place you got it. They only do battery replacements after the "buyer's remorse" period is up.
(14 days everywhere in the US except for CA, where it's 30)
My bad!
(Again, if you already called and got the runaround, no worries, you can still make it happen, just call back a few times get them to troubleshoot some dropped calls or "dead spots" around your house, SMS problems, go over your bill a few times or whatever comes to mind, just so that whatever notes the rep left get buried in the memo list, then call back after the buyer's remorse period is up and go for the battery replacement)
Edit: I just realized you're in CA. You're going to have to wait 30. Sorry bro
Damn, oh well.
Btw, I googled "2.3.3 battery drain" and read up on some Nexus One users complaining about it. Pretty much all of them said that when they open up "Battery use" it tells them that the Android OS is using anywhere from 35-50% of the battery. But on mine, the display is using it the most. Second, it's voice calls and then Cell Standby. The OS isn't even on the list! Is this normal?
Are you still on Gingerbread btw? I want to downgrade to Froyo until this all gets fixed.
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I don't have any problems with apps not showing up. My browser is just fine, it hasn't crashed once on me. Lastly, I don't use Amazon for apps, so I wouldn't know.
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Lol, to be honest, I have four batteries for my G2, so I don't tend to pay that close attention to the battery life, although when I was rooted I played around with adjusting Wifi scan intervals with root tools and other settings with Juice Defender and had some major improvements. Mostly though CM7 and Pershoot's kernel took good care of me and I didn't worry about it that much.
My experience with Android is that it's the display that chews up most of the battery, I usually leave my display set on 100% brightness all the time and that uses the majority of the battery life. I haven't really looked into it farther than that. There's a pretty cool app called Screebl out there that adjusts your display timeout based on the phone's orientation that I use and I think that helps some with the battery as well.
Right now I'm waiting on another replacement, I told them this phone was randomly powering off so that they'd send me another one without arguing about it. This thing is way too buggy for me to deal with, plus I saw an article on Tmonews that had a screenshot from Streamline (the Tmobile intranet) that indicated that it was an "error" that caused people to get the beta 2.3.3 build through warranty replacement, so I'm hoping that the phone I've got coming has 2.2 on it. (Knock on wood)
If there's a method to downgrade, I don't think it's been made public yet. Everything I'm seeing on here, the Cyanogen forums and in #g2root indicates that at the present time the phone can't be downgraded, which sucks balls.
Heh, PM me if you run into a method that works! I'd be eternally grateful I want my root back!
(And you should check out the Amazon appstore. They give away a free paid app every day, and sometimes its a good one. Also some of their app prices are cheaper then the Android market)
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I contacted HTC to inquire how they recommend the battery be charged. Below is their response:
A lithium-ion cell phone battery needs to be conditioned when brand new. For the first three charge cycles, fully charge the battery overnight and allow it to fully discharge before recharging. Extensive overcharging may damage a Lithium-ion battery or if it is left on the charger for more than 24 hours.
Lithium-ion batteries operate more poorly at low temperatures. Temperatures below freezing can cause the battery to lose its discharge levels and sputter out more quickly. While these batteries do not suffer from memory effect, they should be fully charged and discharged every 30 uses.
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This is all very false information, and poor recommendations.
Li-ion batteries do not need to be conditioned. Battery conditioning applies to old tech NiCad batteries. What you actually want to do is properly calibrate the volt meter on the phone itself. Charge fully to 100%, leave it there for a while to make sure its obtains the top-off charge, then drain to around 20% (repeat 3 times or so). Discharging a Li-ion battery too low can render it incapable of taking a charge, forcing you to replace the battery. There is a safety circuit to prevent this, but its not 100% failsafe. Several people on here have reported not being able to charge their G2's battery (and other phones too) after letting it discharge fully. And there is really no benefit to letting the battery drain until the phone is dead.
The battery meter may become inaccurate after a while, and re-calibrating may help. Again, charge to 100%, and drain to 20%. You can also clear the battery stats on the phone and start over.
You can read more on Li-ion batteries at Battery University:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
htc420 said:
when I first got it the battery life was terrible, and I didn't even have the data plan hooked up yet. After connecting to my wifi and surfing/downloading apps, about 10% drained in less than a few minutes. I let it drop to 30% and charged it fully (first time). The first thing I noticed was that it was kinda "stuck" at 100% for a while... then it dropped to about 96% and started draining from there. I then made sure to turn all the data and wifi off and went to sleep when it was at 78%. Woke up 8 hours later and it dropped to 71.
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Since its a brand new phone, the battery/volt meter on the phone was not accurate. Cycling the battery by charging to 100%, and draining to 20%, repeat a few times, and you get more accurate battery meter readings. Your experience after charging and draining to 30% is probably more accurate than when you started. The batter meter being "stuck" at full is pretty normal. Mine usually says full for up to a couple hours, then drops much faster after that.
Also remember that the battery meter on phones is not that accurate to begin with, its a limitation of the technology. A 1% battery meter increment is misleading, they really aren't that accurate. In fact, some phone ROMs only display battery level in 10% increments. So take the battery levels with a grain of salt.
rommy0515 said:
My experience with Android is that it's the display that chews up most of the battery, I usually leave my display set on 100% brightness all the time and that uses the majority of the battery life. I haven't really looked into it farther than that.
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That's probably your main problem right there. The display backlight is the biggest battery drain for any smartphone, and 100% is way too bright. Looks pretty, but its killing your battery. Turn it down as much as your personal preference allows, and depending on your most typical lighting conditions. I have mine turned down to 35%. You will likely find your battery life to increase greatly.
Rommy, I was reading up on cyanogen forums and happened to run into your thread. You said you got a replacement with 2.2 on it... is there any way they can do that warranty thing for me as well since this is a new phone? I hate how I can't just downgrade I don't want to be stuck on this pos beta build.
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htc420 said:
Rommy, I was reading up on cyanogen forums and happened to run into your thread. You said you got a replacement with 2.2 on it... is there any way they can do that warranty thing for me as well since this is a new phone? I hate how I can't just downgrade I don't want to be stuck on this pos beta build.
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Lol, I feel ya brother.
So here's where things stand as far as I understand your situation. (And bear in mind, Tmo policies may have changed since I left there, my info is close to a year old. The buyer's remorse policy as far as I know has stayed pretty constant though, as it's mostly dictated by applicable state law.)
Basically the way the policy is written is that you can't do a warranty exchange while you're within the "buyer's remorse period" that period is set by state law. Most states give you 14 days, CA gives you thirty. Lol, which normally would be cool, but kind of sucks for your situation
Like I said in my earlier post, assuming the phone really was brand new (and be aware, just because it had pull off stickers doesn't mean it's brand new, they put those on reconditioned phones as well) it should show up in the TMO "device model warranty tool" as a brand new device with a 1 year warranty on the equipment and a 90 day warranty on accessories. (A reconditioned device will either appear as "warranty not verified" or with a 90 day equipment warranty) The warranty should show up with the first day being the first day you made a phone call with the device.
Now, if you call and tell them you want a new phone, there's a couple of things to bear in mind. First, you need to give them a good story about why the phone is jacked up and can't be fixed through troubleshooting. Intermittent freezing is always a good one for that. Be sure to tell them you already tried a factory reset so that they don't make you do that and call back in three days or some such bull****. (Don't worry about what you tell them here, when the phone arrives at the repair center, nobody goes in to verify your story, sometimes reps will tell you that, but they're full of it. All they do is check for liquid damage and physical damage.)
Second, you may have to explain how you acquired the phone. (Whether or not you'll have to explain this is dependent on a bunch of factors and would take way too much time to explain. Suffice to say, be prepared to have an explanation.) DO NOT SAY YOU GOT IT ON CRAIGSLIST!!! (Lol) This will cause the rep to tell you that the warranty is not valid. (Technically the warranty may still be valid if you have insurance, which I'll explain later, but this is knowledge that the rep you're talking to probably doesn't have, and believe me, you don't want to spend half an hour trying to convince the rep and his supervisor to look closely into policy.)
The best story would go something like this: "Me and the Mrs. were on a trip to Vegas, and my phone started messing up so I stopped in at a store, I really can't remember the name, I think it was a Tmobile Store, but I'm not sure, it might have been called "Bob's Cell Phone Emporium" or "Jack of All Phones" or something like that. Honestly, the trip was so crazy, I can't even find the receipt now, but they told me the phone was brand new!" As long as the phone shows up with a warranty in the Device Model Warranty Tool, the rep isn't going to go investigating your story. (And if for some bizarre reason they try to, just hang up, call back and try again with a different rep)
I'm getting a little ahead of myself though. Before you do any of that, you need to do the following: Call TMO, and ask them what kind of warranty your G2 has. Ask them for dates. Tell them you just want the info for your records. (Again, if they ask where you got the phone, use some variation of the storyline I provided above) If they tell you, your G2 warranty expires on June 18, 2012, or whatever, you're golden. (Again, if the device was reconditioned, it might only have a 90 day warranty, still no problem) If they tell you that they don't have any warranty info, or if it's "warranty not verified" then don't argue with them, just hang up and call back and do the following:
(There are a myriad number of reasons the phone might show up as "warranty not verified" again, way too complicated to explain and not really relevant to what we're talking about anyway.)
Insurance time! Okay, so here's the deal with Asurion. Regardless of whether you feel their prices are highway robbery, (and they are, the price just went up too to 7.99
sometimes their service is useful. This would be one of those times. The rules for insurance (and please bear in mind that my info may be out of date, however I'm pretty sure this hasn't changed, but don't string me up if it has! lol) are that you can add it within 14 days of getting a new phone. It doesn't matter where you got the phone. (This came directly from an Asurion executive who once visited the call center I worked at) What Asurion looks at is whether you changed IMEI's within 14 days prior to adding their insurance. So, if you get the "warranty not verified" line, just call back, and tell the next rep that you want to add insurance. If they ask you if you just got a phone, the answer is yes. If they give you a hard time, don't argue, just hang up and try again. You'll find a rep who will add the insurance. Once you have the insurance, wait a day, then call back and tell them the phone is frozen. The PHP insurance will get you a replacement, and the TMO rep can put the exchange through without transferring you to anyone. (Sometimes the reps don't know that they can put exchanges through on "warranty not verified" equipment, so if they tell you they can't, just ask for a supervisor or threaten to cancel and get transferred to the save team)
You don't have to keep the insurance either if you think it's a waste of money. Just wait until you get the replacement device, make sure it works, then cancel the coverage if you don't want it.
Lol, okay that was a mouthful. Last point: buyer's remorse. What I was just telling you about checking the warranty status and adding insurance if necessary you need to do right now, because the clock is ticking on that. (14 days to add insurance from the first date of usage) Getting the actual exchange done may require waiting. (If it's a warranty not verified situation, you can probably just get it done now after adding insurance)
Now, one way to get around the thirty day wait may be to do the following. If you have a friend who lives out of state and who you trust, change your billing address to their house, hang up, call back and do an exchange and have the phone sent there, and from there they can send it to you. (Also remember if asked to tell them that you got the phone in a state other then CA, and you'll still have to wait until 14 days from the date of first usage has elapsed. Also, TMO won't let you change your billing address back to your house until 30 days have gone by from the date of change)
Lol, anyway, if you're confused by any of this, reply to this thread or PM me and I'll try to clarify whatever I said as best I can. Also, as a disclaimer, I'm not an insurance agent, so any discussion here about the ins and outs of Asurion's coverage is purely for educational purposes and shouldn't be taken as a promise of coverage
Thanks for the help man, really appreciate it. I called them and asked about my warranty and turns out the phone really is brand new. I bought it on the 14th and she told me I have the warranty until June 14th of 2012!
Now I told her about the issues I'm having with the 2.3.3 firmware (freezing up, restarting, browser crashing, battery life, etc) and she asked me where I got the phone. I told her I bought it at a tmobile store and she told me that if I'm experiencing these issues then I should take it back to the store as I have 30 days to return it.
I then told her I bought it while I was in Vegas lol. She said I'm sorry but she can't do anything at this point. I asked her if I could speak to one of her supervisors and she said told me to hold on while she looked over some things. After I got off hold I was told that it was a problem that a few people were experiencing but t-mobile and htc are supposedly working out a solution via an upgrade but she doesn't know when and couldn't give me a date(sounds like BS). Told me that they can't replace it and I asked for a supervisor once again.
She connected me to one, asked me if I did a reset, to which I replied yes. Finally, they allowed me to get it exchanged... asked me for my billing info but then told me that they charge $20 for this service (would be $5 if I had insurance). Told me it would be free at the place I bought from but that's obviously not a option for me.
I asked her what happens if my replacement phone comes with the same software and I experience the same issues... she informed me that tmo would waive the $20 fee.
Do they really charge $20 for all this or are they trying to rip me off? I've never done any replacements so I wouldn't know. lol
I'm willing to pay but if the Gingerbread fix/update is coming soon like the representative told me then I guess I could keep it. That's if the battery drain issue is fixed.