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Would this be possible, Vonage on Cingular 8125

Would it be possible to only use medianet unlimited with Vonage, and dump cingulars over priced voice plan. I mean, being that Vonage operates soely on your internet connection, why wouldn't it work on medianet or Cingulars PDA plan, vica versa. Pitcure it, you get unlimited calls to US and Canada, all the goodies like call waiting, three way calling and caller I-D, all for $29.95. That beats out Cingulars 450 daytime, 5000 night and weekends, for $39.95 any day.
So, is it possible? And if not, why?

ntornics said:
Would it be possible to only use medianet unlimited with Vonage, and dump cingulars over priced voice plan. I mean, being that Vonage operates soely on your internet connection, why wouldn't it work on medianet or Cingulars PDA plan, vica versa. Pitcure it, you get unlimited calls to US and Canada, all the goodies like call waiting, three way calling and caller I-D, all for $29.95. That beats out Cingulars 450 daytime, 5000 night and weekends, for $39.95 any day.
So, is it possible? And if not, why?
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I don't think that it would work because I believe Vonage is VoIP which is kinda like skype and the GPRS network isn't fast enough for that. Feel free to correct me (anyone?) if i'm wrong though.

But what about edge, wifi, or 3G. Wouldn't those be fast enough?

ntornics said:
But what about edge, wifi, or 3G. Wouldn't those be fast enough?
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edge is the same as GPRS, its the cellular data network. Edge I don't believe is fast enough. Wifi is fast enough, but you have to overclock your phone in order for it to actually work well...or at all. Not sure what 3G is, so I can't comment on that.

It's theoretically possible. There's a version of SJPhone that works with Vonage and runs on the WM5. All you need is a soft phone on your vonage acct and SJPhone should be able to connect over GPRS or WiFi.

Sleuth255 said:
It's theoretically possible. There's a version of SJPhone that works with Vonage and runs on the WM5. All you need is a soft phone on your vonage acct and SJPhone should be able to connect over GPRS or WiFi.
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Can you elaborate on this a little more. What exactly is soft phone?

A softphone costs $10/mo on your Vonage account and works with software on your PC. The Vonage interface device isn't required. Every time you connect to the internet with your PC, no matter where in the world this is, your softphone number is available. SJPhone is software that runs on WM5 that allows you to connect to your softphone number on Vonage in the same way.

Alright I have the software SJPhone, I found the beta version for WM5. And I am sure that even before I install it that there will be some configuration required for vonage.....

I have gone and google'd..... These look like the setup instructions....
http://www.engadget.com/2004/08/31/how-to-use-a-pocket-pc-pda-as-a-wifiphone/

Cingular is one step ahead of you... Kind of. There was an article about 2 weeks ago and cingular said they don't mind that people are using VOIP on their network. But Edge isn't fast enough. I have Skype on my device and running it via Edge is worthless, so get yourself a Hermes adn move to a 3g(umts) city and Voila, your golden!
I just got back from houston and they're selling the HTC TyTn for $1,099.99. You can get it on ebay for $779.99 with 29.99 shipping from Cali.

I have activated a vonage softphone but I am having trouble with the configuration. If anyone had some light to shed on the subject that would be great. The guide I am looking at looks like it is just about to turn 2 years old.

IT WORKS!!!!!!!! well I initialized a call I can't really test it though cuz the wife is sleeping and if I make the phone ring too much she'll get peeved. The above configuration is good, just don't bother with the proxy stuff just put the domain in..... i followed their screens just a little too well.

what connection u using it on?

The only issue with SJPhone I saw was, like skype, it would be "speakerphone only". I'm guessing GPRS would be fine for the connection if you use a low speed audio codec.

Well I lied i made 1 phone call and that was it it doesn't work now I don't know what i did

Is this any help?
SJLabs: Vonage on Pocket PC thread

Very helpful now I no longer recieve the "Nat/Firewall" Error. Thanks for the info. I will do more testing during the day tommorow and I will post my results. I am currently using a T-Mobile MDA with the new OEM firmware update.

I talked with the wife for 45 mins while using wifi, I used the headset supplied with the phone because I have not figured out how to incorporate my Moto H700 with it, but otherwise it was great. The edge at my house is only so-so, therefore I will say that using this with edge so far has been impossible. When I go to work tommorow I will let you know if it works better where I know there is 100% edge, and when I am not on the fringe of a network.

Theory into practice it would seem. Nicely done matrix849! I'd always wanted to try this but never really had the time to spare.

Seems as though the tytn would be the best way to really test if this would be absolutely possible. I mean with its 3G technology and all.
fone_fanatic said:
Cingular is one step ahead of you... Kind of. There was an article about 2 weeks ago and cingular said they don't mind that people are using VOIP on their network. But Edge isn't fast enough. I have Skype on my device and running it via Edge is worthless, so get yourself a Hermes adn move to a 3g(umts) city and Voila, your golden!
I just got back from houston and they're selling the HTC TyTn for $1,099.99. You can get it on ebay for $779.99 with 29.99 shipping from Cali.
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Live Messenger on T-Mobile UK - is it blocked?

Hi all,
I am just wondering is the Live Messenger on T-Mobile UK blocked?
What it is, I just upgraded to the latest LVSW WM6 release from original T-Mobile WM5, and also installed the final Live Messenger cabs (from Black 3.0.1).
When I try to use sign in, it says there is a problem with my internet connection and won't connect. But it does trigger to GPRS connection, and also my IE and other programs can connect to the internet correctly.
So, I am wondering is Live Messenger blocked? Or is it a problem with my settings/installation?
Thanks.

wywywywy said:
Hi all,
I am just wondering is the Live Messenger on T-Mobile UK blocked?
What it is, I just upgraded to the latest LVSW WM6 release from original T-Mobile WM5, and also installed the final Live Messenger cabs (from Black 3.0.1).
When I try to use sign in, it says there is a problem with my internet connection and won't connect. But it does trigger to GPRS connection, and also my IE and other programs can connect to the internet correctly.
So, I am wondering is Live Messenger blocked? Or is it a problem with my settings/installation?
Thanks.
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Im thinking yes, since i cannot connect to IRC over tmobile either.

still working
I'm using live messenger with faria rom and i just tried it and still working

Below is T-Mobiles small print for their web'n'walk service, taken from this link:- http://www.powerupmobile.com/info-WebnWalk.htm
Subject to connection to Flext + web'n'walk. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. **Compatible handset required. Subject to coverage. Provides unlimited browsing on mobile handsets in the UK. Not applicable to connection via CSD. To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers a fair use policy applies. T-Mobile defines fair use as total UK data (both sent and received) of up to 1GB per month. T-Mobile may contact customers who exceed 1GB of data and ask them to reduce their usage. If data usage is not reduced, notice may be given, after which network protection controls may be applied. Not to be used for other activities (including but not limited to) : modem access for computers, internet based video/audio streaming services, peer to peer file sharing, internet based video downloads, internet phone calls and instant messaging. If such use is detected, notice may be given after which network protection controls may be applied. The application of network protection controls will result in a reduced speed of transmission.

Yea I think we are well-aware of this.
But you need to actually sign in to Messenger to check your Hotmail account!
And they never used to block it, although I had tried for 2 weeks until now.

I'm assuming T-Mobile are cracking down on "misuse" because I used to be able to use VoIP (SIP based) but it is now blocked. :-(

Im on WnW and can connect to live messenger fine, no problems.
Imp

Impossible said:
Im on WnW and can connect to live messenger fine, no problems.
Imp
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What GPRS settings do you use?

And is it the £7.50 WnW or the more expensive one?

If they are blocking Live Messenger then I'm very happy I didn't change to T-Mobile! Sounds like it's a bit of a con to me.

Yea but what else can you have with unlimited usage?
Think we need to find a way to run it off port 80 like the desktop version can do.

To be honest I get 16Mb with Orange for £4 which doesn't have any restrictions on it. It nearly always lasts me a month.

can anyone confirm this is the case at the moment as i am unable to test...
Would be intersting to know exactly what their attitude towards this is..
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Looking at this forum:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60741
it would seem that T-Mobile are cracking down on their T&C. I'm on WnW Plus and all seems to be working for me (I can still log on to Live and send messages). I haven't got around to installing Skype since flashing Black Dymond but shall probably give it a go tomorrow to see if that still works.

I'm not positive, but I think this isn't a problem with your carrier. I'm having this same problem with my Wizard. However, it only happens when I flash certain cooked ROMs. I'm trying to connect over wifi though, and am getting the same error and I just can't connect.
So, I was thinking that it might be certain builds of WLM that we are flashing on our phones. Any thoughts on that?

...this is stange as i have no problems at all. i'm on w n' w lowest plan using agile messenger/live messenger- the only thing they switched off is the ftp which i already ask them about.
i'm using lvsw's rom.

Well, maybe we should start listing our Windows Live builds. Be sure to mention if you have this problem or not. Maybe we can narrow it down that way. I'll start...
10.6.0026.1400
Who's next?

I just noticed my IRC is getting blocked too, on T-Mobile... it connects and disconnects right away. One way to figure out T-Mobile is trying via WiFi to compare.
This kinda sucks. For comparison, I am on the OLD Web'n'Walk 2GB plan before they revamped it with all the Plus/Max nonsense.

I'm running live messenger on WM5 and it connects with no problems whatsoever, i use it every day! (on it right now too). I am on the cheapest WnW plan. Not sure what version of Live I am using , as there seems to be no 'about' option on any of the menus!. If someone could tell me how else I can check the version i'd check.
In essence, I can say for fact that T-Mobile are NOT blocking Instant messaging.

Surely if they block it they're falsly advertising WnW?
I signed up to the £7.50 WnW package because it was being advertised as "the whole internet from my phone". Obviously there's going to be some restrictions because of bandwidth and hardware capabilities, but TMobile blocking things is something else.
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Just re-flashed to Elf 2.1 and Live Messenger is working fine... I'll keep an eye on it though.

GPRS (data) calls between WM6 phones

Hello all,
This is my first post here...I have a TYTN, and am looking at ways to call another tytn phone(or any wm6 actually) through gprs, so to use the charge per meg and not the phones charge per minute. Ive tried with Fring and skype mobile, both give terrible delays. Is this at all possible through GPRS/EDGE? (I dont enable 3G cos local provider having issues atm).
Is there no specific application for two WM6 phones to communicate using GPRS? Can anyone recommend any other applications to test?
Thanks in advance,
Sorry if this has been asked before, but I been looking and didnt find anything..

apocza said:
Hello all,
Is this at all possible through GPRS/EDGE? (I dont enable 3G cos local provider having issues atm).
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Read it from Skype.
http://www.skype.com/download/skype/mobile/tipsandtricks.html
Yes, you do need 3G for Internet calling. However, you can always turn to Wifi for Internet calling. Regardless you have WM5 or WM6, GPRS/EDGE just doesn't have enough bandwidth for VoIP.

CameoTabby said:
Read it from Skype.
http://www.skype.com/download/skype/mobile/tipsandtricks.html
...., GPRS/EDGE just doesn't have enough bandwidth for VoIP.
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EDGE has plenty of bandwith for VoIP, in particular if you use GSM codec. Just the latency isn't great, but it will do.
So if Skype doesn't work, consider SIP.

gprs dont connect 2 phones
it's only a internet connection
it's transparent to both devices if
they talk to a phone or a pc
the only way 2 phones maybe can talk data with eachother is the
old data gsm which is limited to 9600Kboud which is much much slower then even gprs

SIP internet calling etc
Can someone help me please. You know the internet calling option on WM6, how for the love of money do you use it. I got skype which i use but i got no idea what this internt calling option is for because i dont know how to use it. HELPPPPPP PLEASEEEEEe

Internet calling is for using witha SIP server such as FWD or an inhouse Asterik/LCS box.

Any Way to Make the HD2 Work Like UMA?

I've been trying to search for a solution to this, and haven't found anything yet on this topic. I keep seeing SIP and programs that require you to connect to a VoIP server, but I am not sure if this will accomplish the same goal. Basically I like how the Blackberry UMA technology connects via WiFi from overseas, and lets you make calls back to the US using your regular plan minutes with no long distance charges. Is there any way to do the same thing on the HD2 (US version)? I know the antenna's are not the same technology.
There is also an option for internet calling when you go to Settings Tab>Menu>All Settings>Personal>Phone>Internet. It reads:
Internet Calling
To set the calling network for your next call, select Internet Calling on the Home Screen.
Does this even do anything?

I too would be very interested in something like this as my reception at my home - inside or out - is very weak.
I have tried several different radios as well, but I'm not having any luck.

Ditto.. I could totally use this feature. Does anyone know if you must have hardware that supports it or is it just software that runs on the phone ?

As far as I know both the hardware and software must support UMA in order for it to work. For instance, I could use UMA calling on my Shadow 2009, but could'nt on my Shadow 2007, even though they ran the same build of WinMo. From what I understand UMA has to be built into the WiFi chip in order for it to work.

I have truphone, witch works great, but only for outgoing calls. I need something that works through wifi that I can get incoming calls as well as outgoing. This is the one and only thing that makes me miss my blackberry. If I wasn't merely 9 months into my 2 year contract I could afford the mytouch 4g or the G2 and enjoy uma, but I don't have 500 plus dollars for yet another new phone. Trust me I'd love a new Mytouch 4G but it's at least another year until I can get one. I know this is off topic but does anyone have any hands on knowledge about the signal boosters they sell online? what ones work? cuz I get like 1 bar in my house and it comes and goes but soon as i'm 3 doors up I have 5 bars and 3g. So I definitely need something.

I was searching for just the same thing and came across this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380803
post 23 explains it, so now all thats needed is adaptation, but I'm not a programer.
Here are the files I did download, but I haven't tested them, nor would know how to "make" them work.
Hope someone can make this work, I get 0 service at home, cause I live in a rural area, but work in a metro.

ashasaur said:
As far as I know both the hardware and software must support UMA in order for it to work. For instance, I could use UMA calling on my Shadow 2009, but could'nt on my Shadow 2007, even though they ran the same build of WinMo. From what I understand UMA has to be built into the WiFi chip in order for it to work.
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But how does that explain the Wi-fi calling feature that is added through custom rom flashes for the Samsung Vibrant and the Nexus One? Both those devices never had UMA from the beginning but was added through custom flashes later on.

Yeah, Damenloader is right. How come there's a rom that gives the Vibrant and the Nexus UMA wifi calling ? Anybody ? I'd REALLY like to get UMA on my HD2.

johnny13oi said:
But how does that explain the Wi-fi calling feature that is added through custom rom flashes for the Samsung Vibrant and the Nexus One? Both those devices never had UMA from the beginning but was added through custom flashes later on.
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Yeah, Damenloader is right. How come there's a rom that gives the Vibrant and the Nexus UMA wifi calling ? Anybody ? I'd REALLY like to get UMA on my HD2.
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Are you guys sure you're not confusing Wi-Fi calling for UMA? These are two different technologies. Wi-Fi calling is simply using a messenger program or SIP server to make calls using Wi-Fi. It's free to other Wi-Fi users or charged to account credits for phone numbers (Fringo, Skype, Nimbuzz, Google Voice). SIP servers work the same way (SIP Gate, etc.), you have to have an account with credit to make Wi-Fi calls to phone numbers.
Both of these Wi-Fi calling options require you to purchase calling credit to make calls to telephone numbers.
The idea behind UMA is that you do not have to purchase credit through a third party, but instead you use the minutes on your T-Mobile plan. For example, if you make a Wi-Fi call with a Blackberry (UMA-enabled phone), you would be connected through T-Mobile's servers (not 3rd party, ie: Skype), and they would simply deduct the minutes from your monthly plan. It would work the same with UMA as it would with a regular phone call through wireless service, free t-motbile to t-mobile, nights and weekends, etc.
I have searched this information thoroughly and have only come to conclude that UMA capability has to be built into the phone, via a chip or other. So far I have not seen anything about UMA being accessible through a program install or software mod.
If you simply want Wi-Fi calling it is possible with the HD2, as I have already done it with Skype and SIP Gate. It will be free if the person you are calling also has Skype, Nimbuzz, Fringo, etc. If you don't mind paying 2-10 cents/minute, then you can purchase the credit and make Wi-Fi calls to telephone numbers as well.
Hope this answers your question.

cu2cool, I believe you may have it a little wrong on the part of UMA. Like in the link I posted before, UMA isn't hardware or chip dependent, though phones like Blackberrys have a dedicated chip for the purpose. UMA is software dependent, and most likely radio dependent. My proof is in this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807116 taken from a Nexus1 thread, which phone didn't have UMA support before some crafty guys worked it out. Don't get me wrong I'm no expert on the subject, just from reading around, I'm fairly certain its "possible" and all it should take is a crafty person with the know-how to make it work.
Edit: Just found this (actually had it opened for weeks and forgot I had it) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=843433&page=6 a dev page for WIP on UMA-HD2_TMo-Android.

I finally just forked over the cash for a Mytouch 4G, and it was money well spent even if just for the wifi calling alone.
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I think I just saw something that might help. It came out on the 11th of February. http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/windows-mobile-voip-sip-updated/

[Q] Going outside the country for am extended period, can I skype?

Hey, I know you need to be in the verizon network to be able to use skype, but is there any way to make my phone think it's in the vzw network when I'm not hooked up to a tower?
I'm going outside the country for about a year, and will not have a cellphone, but will have access to wifi. I used a windows mobile phone last time with no issues. I ditched it a while ago tho, any way this can work?

I'm just thinking out loud but if you put the phone in airplane mode and connected to wifi you could test it w/o your vzw connection, just a thought.
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I think airplane mode removes all data connection so wifi probably won't work :/

Sorry, but you're out of luck VZW purposefully crippled the Skype app so that it requires a connection to their network to use, and uses your plan's minutes in the process. Which basically makes it useless—how many people out there are really calling Skype contacts when they could be calling them on the phone instead??
You may have some luck with Nimbuzz; it's supposed to be compatible with Skype, although you never know how long that capability will stay in the app. Fring used to work with Skype, but no longer...

Penguissimo said:
Sorry, but you're out of luck VZW purposefully crippled the Skype app so that it requires a connection to their network to use, and uses your plan's minutes in the process. Which basically makes it useless—how many people out there are really calling Skype contacts when they could be calling them on the phone instead??
You may have some luck with Nimbuzz; it's supposed to be compatible with Skype, although you never know how long that capability will stay in the app. Fring used to work with Skype, but no longer...
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Thanks for the info. I almost forgot about nimbuzz. Works with only wifi enabled on skype.

Penguissimo said:
You may have some luck with Nimbuzz; it's supposed to be compatible with Skype, although you never know how long that capability will stay in the app. Fring used to work with Skype, but no longer...
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I can attest to this. I used Skype (via Nimbuzz) over WiFi while I was in Spain two weeks ago. I'm surprised that it's still available within the app, considering Fring removed it. One thing I did notice was that Skype is no longer mentioned in the app description but is definitely on there as an account.

I think just recently Skype added WiFi capability. Might want to check into that.
Also, you may want to try SipDroid in combination with some cheap/free VoIP service.
SipGate/Gizmo5, etc. If you can't find a Free one that fits, look into Vitelity.net as a pretty good low cost provider.

Skype enabled WiFi for presence/text ONLY. Calls via Skype still require 3G.
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