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Garmin XT versus TomTom - Why is Garmin Slow to track location?

Hi all, I am currently testing Garmin XT and I noticed that there seems to be a bit of a lag in the GPS when you are driving around. I have TomTom currently which is flawless. Is there perhaps some setting I missed with Garmin or is this just the way it is???

cloves said:
Hi all, I am currently testing Garmin XT and I noticed that there seems to be a bit of a lag in the GPS when you are driving around. I have TomTom currently which is flawless. Is there perhaps some setting I missed with Garmin or is this just the way it is???
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I believe this has to do with the nature of the software drivers and the way they interact with the hardware of the phone. It is something that may be different from phone to phone.

Ahhh darn thats a shame I am running a mogul. What I like about Garmin is the fact that it has gas prices and traffic for free unlike TomTom. Anyone else experiencing the same issue?

seems to work fine for me, but I use it with the bluecharts maps and not any street maps.

Hmm well I just wanted to post a follow up not sure if this will help since I haven't tried on the streets yet. I went into the settings and by default Garmin had selected "Use GPD Intermediate Driver" which worked for me but again I saw a lag while driving around and frequent redrawing of where I was relative to the map.
So now I just went back to the settings and hit "disable" which then brought up a list "Use Bluetooth GPS" "Use GPD Intermediate Driver" and "Use Serial GPS". I then selected "Use Serial GPS" and selected COM4:COM4. I had to do this a couple of times the software would scan but not let me keep COM4 but after a few tries it found COM4. I don't know if this will make everything faster but I will keep everyone posted.

Well even after the changes I made seems garmin is just slow tracking and when you are driving that can really suck.

cloves said:
Well even after the changes I made seems garmin is just slow tracking and when you are driving that can really suck.
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How slow is slow? I use Garmin now, and used to use Tomtom, and while it might seem that the arrow doesn't move quite as often, it still seems to be doing what it's supposed to. Is the screen not updating as often?

I have both on my Mogul -- I just updated the Garmin with the 2008 maps and tested it the other day on a 2 hour trip - it was dead on but I did use a blue tooth GPS antenna Holux 240Slim instead of the built in GPS -- I find the built in is dependent on a data connection which I will lose when I go out of area.
I noticed the Garmin was within a few feet of being dead on -- see an exit and there it was on the map - including the talking parts when I was told to exit right, etc
Mule

I've used both and I have found that XT is slightly slower in its frame rate then TOMTOM. However, I have been a long time GPS user and LOVE the fact that I can now load all of my topograhical and marine maps to my P4000! The detail and accuracy of XT makes TOMTOM maps look like something off Dora the explorer. TOMTOM didn't even have roads drawn in for my home town. It was just a peininsula into water. On XT you even see the ATV paths that follow the coast! With the topo maps you can pick a lake, hike to it and fish your brains out! XT takes it off road. Tomtom is of no use in that department. Its a hikers dream: music, communications, nav, camera and more in one small device. To bad the P4000 isn't waterproof. My Garmin Rino must be feeling left out....

you might want to check which driver you are using... I'm on 42020... I know I had problems with 42030 (resetting my clock and what not) and heard 42040 had issues to.. just a thought...

i believe all gps lag one second behind real time. tomtom is the only software that predict 1/2 and 1 second ahead.
btw, does anybody know how to limit garmin xt auto zoom? sometime it zoom out way too much.

you can turn off auto zoom but you can't "control" it.. the default is to zoom out to show next turn... I just keep it turned off...

Which GPS software to use

Which version of which GPS software works on the Touch HD ? i used to use the Miomap and IGo8 on the Touch Cruise but cannot get them to work.
Perhaps with a tweak ?
thanks, yves

Just search the forum.
There are threads for iGO8, TomTom and Navigon. All of them work on the HTC Touch HD (with some tweaks).

http://www.66.com/route66/index.php?cid=UK&act=1&prodid=5723 works without tweaks.

iGO works but is not really useable in my opinion
there is no "programm close" button in expert mode, only one in simple mode.
program nearly never really gets closed by command.
voice from the navigation continues in programm-volume-setting, even after you are back in touchFlow and used task manager to stop the program.
it still runs and runs ..
a next problem is the standby mode.
you cant set it up, that while iGO is active, standby wont happen.
at the moment, you start navigation, wait some seconds without doing anything, but listening and the HD drops in standby.
and NO i dont want to set new windows standby settings everytime i want to use a navigation tool :/

I believe you can get them all working with the right tweaks.
I've used TomTom for years, without any problem. Currently using v7.910 on my Touch HD and it looks nice.
For fun I also downloaded Navigon (there's a two week free trial with full functionality) and with the help of a couple of xml files have it running. Different look and feel to Tom Tom but I like it. Probably worth a look for the two week free trial if nothing else.
Have seen iGo8 and I must say I like the look of it. Have seen a thread with details of a tweak, though that may have been for an earlier release.
Currently waiting for my TomTom services to run out (speed cameras and traffic) and then I may switch. The UI looks fantastic, but have to justify the cost to the missus .....

loadme said:
iGO works but is not really useable in my opinion
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I don't know what you have messed up, but for me it works just fine. Not a single "bug" you mentioned has occured, maybe you are just using the wrong version / configuration.
I had also some problems in the beginning (dropping the gps), but after setting up the right configuration it works just fine for me now.

johnpatcher said:
I don't know what you have messed up, but for me it works just fine. Not a single "bug" you mentioned has occured, maybe you are just using the wrong version / configuration.
I had also some problems in the beginning (dropping the gps), but after setting up the right configuration it works just fine for me now.
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You are correct, it works fine. However, occasional GPS drop does happen, and, from what I understand, it happens with all softwares, not just IGO. I would also be curious to know what configuration could possible effect GPS dropping issue?
Thanks

michael_r said:
I would also be curious to know what configuration could possible effect GPS dropping issue?
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For me it was the wrong baud rate. It must be set to 9600. As I was using GPSGate I had to change the baud rate within GPSGate and not in iGO8.

loadme said:
iGO works but is not really useable in my opinion
there is no "programm close" button in expert mode, only one in simple mode.
program nearly never really gets closed by command.
voice from the navigation continues in programm-volume-setting, even after you are back in touchFlow and used task manager to stop the program.
it still runs and runs ..
a next problem is the standby mode.
you cant set it up, that while iGO is active, standby wont happen.
at the moment, you start navigation, wait some seconds without doing anything, but listening and the HD drops in standby.
and NO i dont want to set new windows standby settings everytime i want to use a navigation tool :/
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Kinda strange that you are incapable of setting up a navigation software like igo on the Touch HD.
I myself only had to set the resolution and voila, all worked perfectly.
All the so called 'failures' are entirely untrue from my point of view.
Cause they work perfectly ! (yes also shutdown in expert mode), maybe your failure is using the correct settings in the sys.txt file...
Therfore I have to disagree with you completely on the IGO satisfaction scale.
I give it a 9,7 out of 10 (cause it can always be improved).
Tomtom is great and also is IGo in my opinion (havn't tried the rest om my HD).
with regards,
Ikkezelf

I am using Garmin Mobile XT, and it looks and works a treat.......
IGO8, does look good but there seems to be a lot of screen size problems for the HD. I too have tried IGO8 and all the stuffing around to get the correct screen resolution files sent me nuts.

I am using co-pilot 7, working well so far, especially when I remember to switch it from walking mode to car

A quick summary of my experiences with iGo 8, TomTom 7 and Garmin Mobile XT on the HD, in the UK.
iGo 8
Pros:
Has the nicest looking graphics, with terrain elevation and 3D models of major landmarks (and many more buildings too, in major cities) and a good variety of views.
Text-to-speech support for reading out road names, if you have enough memory (sometimes needs a reboot or to disable TouchFlo to get enough - sadly it doesn't default to the normal non-TTS if there's not enough memory, so you have to turn it back manually).
Routing between multiple maps installed.
Cons:
Long startup time.
Incorrect speed limits in my area (30 instead of 60-70 on some roads!)
The voice directions have been misleading when crossing a roundabout over a motorway, telling me to incorrectly take the first exit from a roundabout, when the direction arrow clearly shows the second. I verified by plotting a route on to the motorway that it also said "first exit" for that exit too. Very strange - I haven't seen problems with other roundabouts, yet.
Bad default POIs, listing the nearest cash machine as 25 miles away, when I was standing right next to one and no shops that I was looking for.
TomTom 7
Pros:
Reasonable across the board.
Cons:
Average default POIs, finding cash machines but not most shops.
Garmin Mobile XT
Pros:
Great default POIs, being able to track down most shops, etc.
Great free online services, such as Google local search, cheapest petrol
prices nearby, weather, traffic reports, flight status and Panoramio.
Being able to install subsets of maps, to reduce space on the device.
Cons:
Very slow graphics engine.

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[*]Text-to-speech support for reading out road names, if you have enough memory (sometimes needs a reboot or to disable TouchFlo to get enough - sadly it doesn't default to the normal non-TTS if there's not enough memory, so you have to turn it back manually).
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I'm using the latest iGO8.0.x release and haven't noticed any memory problem at all. I think it is a problem of the 8.3.X release(s), as they are not optimized for our devices yet. There are some sys.txt tweaks regarding to the tts functionality out there, maybe they will fix it for you.
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Long startup time.
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What do you mean by that? Mine is up and ready after 10 seconds (or something like that).
arghness said:
Incorrect speed limits in my area (30 instead of 60-70 on some roads!)
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That's not iGO8's fault at all. The speed limits are integrated in the card material, mostly coming from tele atlas. For Germany the cards are really good.
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Bad default POIs, listing the nearest cash machine as 25 miles away, when I was standing right next to one and no shops that I was looking for.
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Haven't noticed any lacks of pois yet. But you can easily add pois (look for poi plaza).

johnpatcher said:
I'm using the latest iGO8.0.x release and haven't noticed any memory problem at all. I think it is a problem of the 8.3.X release(s), as they are not optimized for our devices yet. There are some sys.txt tweaks regarding to the tts functionality out there, maybe they will fix it for you.
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I'll take a look, thanks. The normal voices are fine, just not the tts. It could be due to the high quality tts rather than the 11KHz pack.
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What do you mean by that? Mine is up and ready after 10 seconds (or something like that).
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It's not unusable, it just takes longer than the others. Sometimes I want to quickly look something up. My usage scenario and my opinion of course
johnpatcher said:
That's not iGO8's fault at all. The speed limits are integrated in the card material, mostly coming from tele atlas. For Germany the cards are really good.
Haven't noticed any lacks of pois yet. But you can easily add pois (look for poi plaza).
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I did say it was my experience in the UK. Also, I think that they do count as negative points against iGo as they make it less useful to me compared to the competition. Giving incorrect voice directions is bad, especially when the visual direction is correct. I'm glad you're happy with it - the graphics engine, buildings and terrain really are good. I'd love to see some online integration like Garmin, especially Google local search, which would make the POIs less of an issue.

Gps sofware in uae
Just for anybody here in UAE ... Sygic Drive 2008 from ORION MIDDLE EAST.. works great on my HD.. and its maps are more updated for the GCC regions.. atleast here in UAE..

My comparison between Garmin mobile XT Vs Mapking R12
hello
yesterday i have chance to fully try out my GPS function on my new HD
This is my findings...
I have expirient using Mapking R12 with my Tytn2 and it is much faster in the term of rerouting if u miss any turn,the accuracy is much better but the graphic is quite "cartoon"... anyway it is quite simple to use and straight forward....
With garmin mobile XT i found that, graphic is cool, many additional information such as speed limit, traffic light and ETA....time...
but it is not that easy to handle in term of finding your destination, etc...
it is slow responding and this can cause u miss some turn since u been passing that turn about 5-10 meters then only in the graphic u will reach there... the speed indicator also slow 10 Kmph...then my speedo meter
anyway i'm not really sure this is due to the sofware or the GPS chip... since i'm comparing my expirient with 2 different device that running with 2 different sofware
anyway i will try to run my HD with mapking and look the different....

Comparison TomTom 7, IGO 8 and INAVI
TOMTOM 7:
It has the most user-friendly interface and most stright-forward menu. You get whatever you want in just several pushes of buttons. Maps are very precise in west Europa and I think in the USA. In other countries maps aren't that good if they exist. It computes almost the best way. Better than all other programs.
IGO 8
It is the most complete navigation program. It has plenity of options. The drawback of this is that you will need more time to do the same thing. The most useful function not available in TomTom is easy moving and zoming map during navigation. It has maps for much more countries for Israel, Eastern Europa and they are more precise (there are even 3D buildings) and they take less space. If you travel outside Europa and USA or like exploring options then it will be the best choice.
INAVI
It is good. It's the only choice for eastern Europe and some other countries. It has many options (more than TomTom and less than IGO) but navigation is less easy and less precise than others. You can choose it if there is no maps for the country where you go.
Personally I choose TomTom 7 because of it's stright-forward interface. In the car you don't have a lot of time to play with options. 3D buildings don't interest me (I can see them through the window) and I live in west Europe.

Just installed Garmin Mobile XT
Updated to version 5.00.20wp
I'm impressed, works full screen and very smooth, Garmin Online is very well integrated, the interface is clean and easy to navigate, you can really just install and drive/walk off (I did not have to do anything to activate the GPS just plug in the MicroSD card and it automatically installed the soft and I could start navigating)
This does not mean that things cannot be customized, from my first look at the settings it looks like just about anything can be customized.
The integration with WM seems very complete too, from the large "Where to" button I can select a contact and it will have a large "Go" button to start navigating to it.
This morning I tested it in my car and I even got a phonecall during navigating which went flawless, the phone screen came on but I went back to Garmin Mobile via the Start menu and it continued navigating (the data connection was stopped so no more Garmin Online service but it did not stop the navigation)
Voice prompts and warning signals were quite clear through the HD speaker.
The only thing is that the location of my car holder might not be ideal on the open road it was ok but the GPS connection became quite erratic when I entered the city, the GPS info screen showed only 3 satellites that flickered on and off, when I took it out of the holder and held it to the windscreen things got better.

hijamir said:
the speed indicator also slow 10 Kmph...then my speedo meter
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this is normal, the speedo in your car is set slower than the actual speed by design (so you don't think you're driving the speed limit but you're actually speeding). If GPS connection is good GPS speed can be accurate to about 0.1km.
On road GPSes there is always a 1 second lag (1Hz, professional and aviation GPSes can have multiple Hz updates) so accelerating/decelerating will not be correct but for constant speeds the GPS indication is superior to most cars speedos.

I've never had a gps device before, and am pretty new to the whole Winmo scene in general. I saw someone mention that Route 66 worked without tweaking so I bought a discounted version of their Route 66 Navigate 7. I wasn't able to install it directly from the CD, but their customer support responded within an hour or two telling me to copy the memory card directory from the CD directly to my HD's card and run the .cab from the phone.
Works great. Now I just have to fool around with it so I know how to actually use it effectively.. lol.
From their website they list the HD as compatible for their latest "8" version too. I just decided to get the old one for cheap since I don't really have a need for gps. Maybe I'll upgrade at some point if it's worth it.

[DISCUSSION] Changes to the SATNAV market (TOMTOM be scared!!)

Now...
As some people may have heard (i only found out today!!!)
Nokia have made their OVI MAPS voice navigation element completely free (it needed a subscription before, plus obviously a symbian phone)!!!
With both that and Google Navigator in the U.S. causing waves to the SATNAV market.. am I (and other NON-US WinMO users) going to get a free alternative?
I think the big players such as Garmin/TOMTOM/Co-Pilot etc... should be quaking in their boots or.... offer a free alternative as well, food for thought me thinks...
Any thoughts people?

I don't know how the Nokia software works but have you tried using Google Maps without a signal? Unless you have locally stored maps any navigation software is only as good as your network connection.

The nokia sat nav IS locally stored therefore making it even more useful than the Andriod 2.1 sat nav.
Dedicated satnav makers are screwed, but also people like Copilot with their poor Customer support and sloooooooow release of feature like TTS serriously Im still waiting

If you could get the same satnav software that Nokia supplies, but on a WM device I would literally be laughing! My N95 was the first phone I used for satnav, and it was hands down THE best satnav I've ever had. I admit, I've only used a couple of versions of TomTom and 1 version of CoPilot since then, but it blew them out of the water.
Surely getting it free almost makes it worthwhile getting a Nokia instead of a fully-fledged satnav device?

There will always (well, for a good while yet) be a market for dedicated GPS devices, especially the outdoor/off road ones. I have a Garmin GPSMap 60CSx, and whilst the screen is fairly small, the map scrolling is a little slugish, and the device is 4 times thicker than my HD2, I just can't ever see myself atop a mountain in a howling gale exposing my HD2 to the weather and taking my glove off to input the next geocache location, and nor can I see it mounted on my handlebars as I hurtle out of control down a rocky footpath. Nor can I see the boating fraternity giving up their multi thousand pound fishfinder/bluechart navigators for a tiny handheld phone.
I agree that yes, all bets are off for in car sat nav now that even simple google maps can be used as a sat nav, albeit without voice, and other softwares are becoming free, but i'll wager Messrs Garmin and TomTom aren't quite at the shotgun in the mouth stage of panic just yet.
The GPS market isn't just road satnav, that is just the popular mass market arm of the business, and I can tell you from experience (I sell Garmin) that the profit from the in car stuff is negligable in comparison to the aero and sea navigation stuff.

GPS application for Android?

Ok, I am still waiting for HTC desire to come to my door. At the moment I am just wondering what GPS application available for Android (I mean like Garmin or Tomtom thing??) As I understand both Garmin and Tomtom are still unavailable. I know the phone should come with Google map? As I understand it google map require internet connection not just GPS? the thing is I dont have internet connection with my phone plan. I only use wifi or hotspot. So I need GPS application that can work just by using the built-in GPS? Besides the internet package here downunder in Aussie is pretty limited...too low capacity. I wish they have unlimited connection.

best ones are Copilot and Navigon

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best ones are Copilot and Navigon
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Navigon looks cool, but is the android version available yet? I have been to their site but only have for iphone?? Dont know how much is it including Australian Map??

kuailan said:
Navigon looks cool, but is the android version available yet? I have been to their site but only have for iphone?? Dont know how much is it including Australian Map??
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Navigon is available in the market, as is CoPilot and a few others. I prefer CoPilot of those two but am really waiting for Sygic's Aura, which looks awesome.

In China, KLD（凯立德） and Gaode（高德） have published NAV software based on android OS, and it run smoothly.

Aura is very nice indeed, but it wont be available soon.
I asked this to Sygic and they said that iPhone version will be available FIRST.
Then Android ...
Now you can wait for a year or two
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Navigon is available in the market, as is CoPilot and a few others. I prefer CoPilot of those two but am really waiting for Sygic's Aura, which looks awesome.
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Navigon
The trial version works great.
Once activated with a bought key it stops working.
Wierd.

I have CoPilot and Sygic on my Desire and both work fine.
I was not so impressed with Navigon.
I have iGO on my diamond and it beats all three of them qua quality, but must say Aura looks good.

i've just finished to install Igo Amigo for my Desire, and is working so good . For Europe (for me, I've been in many countries) is the best...for America, i think another one like tomtom you should choose.

If anyone is planning on using the hacked-to-work-outside-US Google navigation ("Maps brut"), I wouldn't bother. I've used it and decided it was no replacement for a proper paid GPS application. Turn by turn voice cues are erratic and often late or not-present, and for some reason the next road to be taken is always "unknown". I missed turns twice because of the lack of cues.
I used Google navigation for a 2 1/2 hour journey, in that time the phone went from 2/3 battery to severe battery warnings and red indicator. This was with an old, non-official car charger plugged in! I strongly suspect that the frequency of the screen update and the use of 3G are probably culprits, not to mention the frequent re-routing as I missed turns.
My old WinMo phone used to run CoPilot 7 and would do substantially better with no in-car charging.
What is the battery life like with the £20 CoPilot? Is a proper in-car charger a must for journeys > 3h?

I had some issues on copilot 7 WM with mapping. The maps were quite old and sometimes the routing was very odd. On test routes where I knew where I was going it would sometimes take me off in what I knew to be a longer way round by far. I'm sure there will be much newer maps on version 8.
The Navigon I find is very good but only annoying thing I find is landscape view. Between the bars on the software and the taskbar on the handset, the map only uses about half the available screen which is disappointing.
If anyone knows if it is possible to view more fullscreen please correct me.

Can anyone recommend Android nav software for cycling?
CoPilot appears to have a cycling option, Navigon not.

fergusstrachan said:
Can anyone recommend Android nav software for cycling?
CoPilot appears to have a cycling option, Navigon not.
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I'm not a cyclist, but shouldn't ANY of them do as long as you stick to the roads? I don't know of any that have off-road capability...

Yeah, I COULD follow the roads they suggest, but I don't fancy cycling on motorways/highways.
Don't want off-road, just want small quieter roads...

fergusstrachan said:
Yeah, I COULD follow the roads they suggest, but I don't fancy cycling on motorways/highways.
Don't want off-road, just want small quieter roads...
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I'm pretty sure you can tell CoPilot to ignore certain roads...

Co-pilot has a walking and a cycling mode. Haven't tried them out yet though.

Tom Tom release?
TomTom 6 om my Diamond was phenomenal, and was by far the most customisable for me. (downloading voices, maps, POI, speed cams etc). I know that TomTom are releasing a ver for Android soon, but does anyone know what the current developments are? Just waiting on my DESIRE now, and am ready to go!! If not anytime soon, I might have to settle with CoPilot, as it has Australia Maps, and South Africa maps (worldcup). How good is CoPilot is though Australia? Anyone know? And do I need an Internet connection to run it?

the best I tried so far and worked brilliantly even in Cyprus is sygic 10 mobile maps!

Navigon gets my vote.
Clear maps, works smooth.

I really like Navigon, look cool...except dont think there is NO map for Australia? Can anyone suggest anything that has Australian map?? I also want something that does not need internet connection?? (Google map is free but need internet) just plain GPS.

[Q] Need advice for GPS

Any one can suggest a good incar mount for the TF101 ?
Also is there any app for gps (like tomtom) for the tf101, as i have read there does not seems to have any one made specificaly for the tf101 or any other tablet anyway ?

as i know, there is no gps aplication for the transformer ,because of the rasolution. But you can lnstall a software with the best rasolution, that there is,i think 800x480 and you will see the map only on a part of the screen...
For example i use IGO my way...

I have been re-using my old EEEpc 701 car mount for my Transformer:
http://www.ultimate-netbook.com/inf...h-7-inches-to-13-inches-ultimate-netbook.html
Works great and fits fine.
There are SEVERAL gps software solutions that not only work on the Transformer, but take advantage of the full resolution. I don't know why people think there aren't any for tablets?
The one I use: Copilot Live Premium (Europe). I've been driving all over the South of France and back to Belgium just last week. It's great if you can keep the reflections to a minimum.
Google navigation works great, if you have a portable wireless hotspot (ex: mifi), or if you download the itinerary before going, or if you tether it to your phone. I tried all of these successfully.
OsmAnd+, NavDroyd, will work at full resolution.

Both Sygic and Navigon are optimized(fullscreen) for Honeycomb.

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Navigon
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Navigon is marked as incompatible with the TF101 on the market. Last time I tried it, there was no way to get the menus up on HC. Has there been an update that fixes this?

Sygic is a great product but does NOT work on the transformer - it works only on 2.x. I have it on my phone. Compatible devices: http://www.sygic.com/en/android:compatible-devices
I don't see a single android 3.x device on there.
There was a thread about Navigon a while back: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079369

For first tests the free Navid might be worth a try. I myself used MapDroid and Google Navigation for first tests.
Because MapDroid only shows your position and has no rooting cababilities, I'm searching for a nice offline navigation app for both my TF and SGS2.
How satisfied are people with NavDroid? Should I invest more?

I've purchased NavDroyd in anticipation of having to travel in several countries in Asia, where my normal GPS navigation software won't work for lack of maps or licenses. I haven't tested it on the road, but I have played around with it from my couch.
There are several problems using Navdroyd, but to its credit, it's the maps that are mostly the problem - not the software. The maps themselves come from the wonderful Openstreet map project, a collaborative wiki style world map that anyone can use and contribute to.
Main problem: in non Western countries, leave the big city centers, and you might as well ask the locals for your way - the maps are sometimes very incomplete. A lot of the data is contributed by individuals that have uploaded their GPS tracks on the site and have themselves typed the street or city names. Again, not NavDroyd's fault.
Osmand, Osmand+, Mapdroyd, Osmdroid and so on - all use the free maps from the Open Street Map project.
Quite frankly, I think I will most likely stick to Google Maps when in remote places. It won't offer navigation, but with the ability to download a 10 km radius map, and having studied the maps and the sites/itineraries I'm going to use, it should be more than enough.

michelhuy said:
Sygic is a great product but does NOT work on the transformer - it works only on 2.x. I have it on my phone. Compatible devices: http://www.sygic.com/en/android:compatible-devices
I don't see a single android 3.x device on there.
There was a thread about Navigon a while back: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079369
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**Sygic does work on the transformer.
I was looking for a GPS app that works well offline, with good route adjustment, and this is the best I've used. NavDroyd took a while to get the maps and then couldn't find a GPS signal, so I moved on and didn't really test the product. Copilot looks good, but the USA map pack was over a gig, and I only wanted one state. It's possible you can choose individual states, but I didn't get far enough to determine this.
Sygic, for me , works perfectly. Can pick which states you want to download. I'm pretty sure they even use TomTom maps. You get two apps, one to download the maps and the GPS app itself. Lots of choices for voices (U.K, Australian, American English's in male or female, as well as many languages). The UI could possibly be better, and in the menus the very bottom of the screen is cut off, but half of the buttons (usually back or okay) still show so there's no problem. By this I mean only the lower portion is cut off, not half are missing, if that makes more sense. The maps are great, though sometimes cluttered with gas stations or other useful landmarks (these can be turned off). During navigation your MPH (or whatever unit you choose) is on screen, with ETA, time until next navigational action (exit, turn, etc.) and even the speed limit. The voice gives warnings usuall at 1 mile prior, 2/3 and then gets almost annoying so you don't miss the turn (probably adjustable?).
I'm probably forgetting some stuff, but this is exactly what I was looking for. Never have to touch it so I just set it in the passenger seat and turn up the volume. Might not be the best out there, but I don't have any complaints so I stopped looking.

michelhuy said:
Sygic is a great product but does NOT work on the transformer - it works only on 2.x. I have it on my phone. Compatible devices: http://www.sygic.com/en/android:compatible-devices
I don't see a single android 3.x device on there.
There was a thread about Navigon a while back: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079369
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Sygic,Navigon,Copilot all work just fine in full screen(menus and everything) on the Transformer.
I know this because i tried all of them. Do not know about other apps but these work like they should.

I'm interested - how do you install sygic on the TF? Is it the official version?

To be honest, I started just downloading the apps offline after the first two, as I wasn't hopeful and wanted to test them first. I like to tell myself I'll buy the real version, but who knows.
It's possible that it wouldn't allow you to purchase from the market since it's not officially compatible, but I do not know. In any case side loading the newest version is what I did. Not sure if it was a cracked apk or not. Also can't remember if I had to sign up for an account, but downloading maps and everything worked fine after installation (and was free).

karlr30 said:
Also is there any app for gps (like tomtom) for the tf101, as i have read there does not seems to have any one made specificaly for the tf101 or any other tablet anyway ?
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Google Navigation is pretty good. If youre in the car just use the phone as a mobile hot spot. You have a lighter, get a car charger plug for the phone so it doesnt die and use it all of the way.
Im looking forward do doing something of the like while driving up to visit my grandparents in the near future. Road tripping with internet, its the future!