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speed and response on vista at shift is really slow.
any chance to install xp on it?
This is something I am interested in as well.
I am ordering a HTC shift today when it arrives I try and will make a image of the hardrive/vista and then try loading XP to see.
Just go ahead and load XP, you can always restore Vista from the hidden backup partition on the drive.
Bear in mind that HTC are unwilling to release the needed drivers for Vista, let alone XP.
XP Tablet Edition
I have already done this and it's a breeze.
However you have no functionality for touch as the drivers are not there.
But on XP you have 800MB RAM free and it's like lightening...
Let's hope we can get XP drivers for the touch screen, i can live without the snapvue and control etc and without the origami thing, but i have gone back to vista due to the lack of touch ability.
Regards
Blitz
Was the touch pad working in xp? as that might be livable. It should be possible to sort out a dual boot then we can have the three operating systems on the one device, vista, winxp and windows mobile.
dual boot
tried that by partitioning drive in two but it breaks vista,you need to install xp then vista but you can't do that either as you miss the builtin drivers for vista.
the mousepad worked fine
besides the touch screen, is there any other hardware component that does NOT work under XP? i was under the impression that lacking XP drivers, a bunch of stuff did not work.
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tried that by partitioning drive in two but it breaks vista,you need to install xp then vista but you can't do that either as you miss the builtin drivers for vista.
the mousepad worked fine
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Hey blitzspear, I have managed to get XP working alongside the HTC vista oem install. First you boot into in to vista and shrink the current drive c using disk management mmc, then reboot into xp install using usb cd. After XP completes Copy bootsect.exe from the boot folder of a Windows Vista DVD and paste it into your Windows XP Windows\system32 folder. Then in XP CMD issue the following command bootsect /NT60 ALL. Ok now the only issue I have is getting all the drivers, where did you get the drivers from? I have downloaded the XP drivers for the graphics card ironically the file is called winvista_1523.exe althoughintel webpage assures that this driver covers vista xp 2k etc. but it dont work! So just wondering if you could point me in the right direction
Drivers
Sadly I didn't find them all...
Only ones are the intel VGA (which disables some of the resolutions)
A usb network and sound and the synaptics mousepad.
The rest were missing which is why i'm back on vista.
Regards
Blitz
PS - I think if we get SD / wifi / GPS / in WM6 this will do what i need it to do and then i'll keep vista when plugged in so i can have it on best performance instead of balanced mode. This may be the best compromise for many people.
But in my opinion HTC could have made this SOOOO much better if they'd put Tablet XP on it... or gave us 2GB of RAM in VISTA...
Device Manager?
Can you guys post a list of devices that were not installed correctly when in XP? I see that the touch screen doesn't work...do we have other devices that were not identified or functioning properly in the device manager?
If we can identify the devices maybe the chipset manufacturer can supply drivers, etc.
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Can you guys post a list of devices that were not installed correctly when in XP? I see that the touch screen doesn't work...do we have other devices that were not identified or functioning properly in the device manager?
If we can identify the devices maybe the chipset manufacturer can supply drivers, etc.
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I actually got most of the devices working (HTC ones)by searching the inf directory of the original Vista installer. However touchscreen is not identified or does not work, the SDIO Wifi card is not seen by XP at all, although BT works
After several failed attempts of cloning VISTA from the HTC Shift's to the my Samsung 64GB Solid State Drive using Norton Ghost (the cloned drive always blue screens at boot), I've decided to do a clean VISTA install from scratch to the SSD Drive.
With only one USB Port on the Shift, I didn't have enough ports for the Bootable USB Pen w/ Ghost on it + Drive 1 + Drive 2, so I had to stick both 1.8" ZIF drivers in USB adapter enclosures and then clone from one to the other from a desktop computer with multiple USBs (using a hub on the Shift to use the 3 devices at the same time from its single USB connector didn't work either because the drives are not detected at BIOS)
To do a clean install, are the updated VISTA drivers for the Shift posted on HTC's Support Site, all the drivers I will need? I don't seem to see certain things like the SIM Modem for example. Also how do I install the Windows Mobile Application to communicate with SnapVue, etc? I have the feeling I will be missing a ton of drivers and software by the time I have the Shift with a Retail Version of Vista, not the original system restore one with all the drivers (and clutter).
Once I get the system up and running (and tweaked), I'll post some benchmarks here and a video showing boot-up and app launch times with the Samsung SSD (currently the fastest 1.8" ZIF Drive on the market). I want to custom make VISTA as streamlined as possible with the least amount of garbage to gain maximum performance on the Shift and with the lowest possible mem usage On my dsktop my clean install is less than 1.5GB!
If you'd like a detailed post of the disassembly, drive swap and re-assembly as well as final description of all the tweaks performed, services disabled, etc., I can post them here in detail as well.
Thanks for the input of the software and drivers I will need before I start the work
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To do a clean install, are the updated VISTA drivers for the Shift posted on HTC's Support Site, all the drivers I will need?
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Yes, they are all you need. Windows Mobile Device Centre is included with Vista, and that deals with the connection to Snapvue. The sim card is managed by Snapvue, so wiping Vista will not affect it.
Thanks for the reply Pantaloonie
Im hoping that a Vista clean install will be a fraction of the work and time I've spent trying to install XP and Ubuntu Mobile. Both of them got "almost" to fully work but some functionality was always lost no matter my tries. Since I am "slimming" down Vista to its bare minimum, I wonder if there are components I have taken out on my desktop's clean install, that I may actually need for the Shift (Windows Mobile Device Centre being one of them that immediately comes to mind)! Is it required to upgrade to Windows Mobile Device Center 6.1 on the version built-in within Vista is enough? I usually stay away as much as possible of ANY upgrades what-so-ever
By the way, what are the VistaECDrv and Extension Kit USBLan Drivers for?
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By the way, what are the VistaECDrv and Extension Kit USBLan Drivers for?
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Hi,
VistaECDDrv seems to be the Embedded Controller Driver. It is the part that manages communication between the build-in stuff such as USB and SD. It also might be the part that prohibits us from using the SD-card from the Snapvue side.
The other one seems to be the driver for the LAN adaptor... I am not sure what the "Extension Kit" signifies.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
(I actually don't really know what I am talking about )
greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
Are the drivers needed for the Shift's video camera built-in Vista? I cannot find any available drivers to download from HTC's support site
Yes, it works quite happily with the generic USB Camera drivers in Vista.
can you do a benchmark of your SSD from Samsung? ans post the picture?
http://www.hdtune.com/
I think about a Mtron 3018 32GB or 64GB SDD (April 2009) with 100/100MB/s
I Thnik there is no other faster 1,8" PATA SSD on market?
Hi!
Is there any news on the speed on your Shift when changing to the Samsung SSD?
I don´t know, but i´m shure, with Mtron 3018 SSD it is much faster then with SAmsung SSD.
BTW: in the mid of april Mtron release the 64GB Edition with 100/100 Read/write (maybe 300€)
Hi all, i'm new to the shift scene and have a couple of questions:
1. I gather that the WM part of the device is an emulator running on Vista. Is there anyway to turn Vista off so its just WM that is running. (I guess not as the Shift has no WM capable hardware.)
2. Is there anyway to send SMS from the WM side? Can you send SMS from the Vista side?
3. Has anyone got TF3D running on it?
4. Comming from the Xperia X1 forum, there are loads of ROMs for the X1. Are there any WM6.1 ROMs out there for the Shift?.
5. Can you use a bluetooth headset with this device
6. How much does XP speed up the device? How much does Win7 slow down the device? Can you have XP or Win7 running WM?
7. Can you run TomTom on the WM side?
Many Thanks
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1. I gather that the WM part of the device is an emulator running on Vista. Is there anyway to turn Vista off so its just WM that is running. (I guess not as the Shift has no WM capable hardware.)
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1. You couldn't be more wrong. The WM side is actually a real smartphone built in to the shift mother board with it's own processor and all. WM is always on as long as there is power.
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2. Is there anyway to send SMS from the WM side? Can you send SMS from the Vista side?
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2. Yes it can even do that out of the box with no hacking.
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3. Has anyone got TF3D running on it?
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3. TF3D is to demanding on the WM hardware built in to the shift so a no can do there. You will have to be happy with point ui at best.
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4. Comming from the Xperia X1 forum, there are loads of ROMs for the X1. Are there any WM6.1 ROMs out there for the Shift?.
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4. Yup just browse the forum.
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5. Can you use a bluetooth headset with this device
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5. No, since bt is attached to the computer part and not the phone there is no bt on wm. You cannot use wired head set even. Actually the only way to make calls is using speaker phone. You have to remember it's a computer with wm, not a phone with vista.
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6. How much does XP speed up the device? How much does Win7 slow down the device? Can you have XP or Win7 running WM?
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6. Errh, The q is how well does xp work and how much better will it work with W7 then vista, remember W7 is lighter then Visa and works better on portables then Xp.
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7. Can you run TomTom on the WM side?
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7. Possible in theory impossible practically, we do not have the space avalible on the WM for maps. We cannot use SD since it's attched to the computer not the phone. It is possible to use the computer hdd but it requieres the computer part to be running and that will drain the battery.
The shift is NOT a phone, it's a special device in its own category. One should us it as a additional device not as a phone replacement.
use google maps
you can use google maps instead of tomtom.
Gmaps is another type of app. I's map app, tomtom is a navigator.
Yes you can browse maps on the shift, but no navigation.
Josasp, many thanks for your answers!
Just comming back to a couple of your answers...
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1. You couldn't be more wrong. The WM side is actually a real smartphone built in to the shift mother board with it's own processor and all. WM is always on as long as there is power.
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Im sure I saw in a video a guy was saying how the WM part is an emulation on windows. So you can have the Win XP part totally off and just have the phone on?
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2. Is there anyway to send SMS from the WM side? Can you send SMS from the Vista side?
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Can you make it clear that you mean you can send sms from the Vista side?
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7. Possible in theory impossible practically, we do not have the space avalible on the WM for maps. We cannot use SD since it's attched to the computer not the phone. It is possible to use the computer hdd but it requieres the computer part to be running and that will drain the battery.
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How much space is there on the WM side. You say we can use the WinXP hdd, so does that mean that the WM side can access the WinXP HDD? I would like to use TT navigator in my car, so there would be no probs with power. So people on here have got the GPS unit working then?
Last question, is it 3G? I will have a look myself now for this answer tho, I only just thought of it
ANSWER: Yes it does support 3G
This really is an intriguing device! If only you could make proper calls on it without it being on speakerphone!
Ofc you can SMS you have full wm fuctionality, the speakerphone issue is just that the shift is missing a earpice and access to headset, so it leaves the speakerphone the only option.
I'ts not only 3G it is also HSDPA wich is fater then regular 3G, but notice that there is a CDMA version avalible to that is NOT 3G.
Well the WM part is linked to the computer(vista) in two ways, the first is some sort of internal usb connection that we can turn on and off using "usb tool".
The other way is that the WM and Vista is linked i an internal local network (LAN) that allows vista to connect to the internet using WM as a router an modem, much like a regular home lan.
The fact that they are linked via lan allows for us to use shared folders between the devices in the device, i't works in the same way you share folders over a home network.
Using this shared folders feature we can use the Vista hdd but ONLY when the computer part is on. So there is no direct connection betweed the vista hdd and WM only the virtual share.
I't works but it drains battery and it's slightly buggy, it's not really a great solution.
What would be way better in your case is sharing the GPS module over the internal usb to vista. That is a lot less data and is way more stable.
There is some good navigation software for regular computers too, garmin has a software similar to thier WM software.
A solotion like that looks a lot more stable if you ask me.
Couple more questions:
1)So the GPS module is 'natively' attached to the WM side but you can access it from the WinXP side?
2)Can you confirm if you can send texts from the WinXP side, what program do you use to do it?
3)Can you confirm if you can have the WinXP side totally off and just run the WM side?
4)There are some people on ebay sellling wired headsets for the shift, but you say they dont work...i dont understand! are these seller lying???
5)When the screen is flipped up and your on the WM side, does it go into landspace view?
6)Can you use the hardware keyboard on the WM side?
7)Can you use the trackpad on the WM side?
1. Yes with custom rom like almost everything.
2. Text is sent from WM side perfectly no need for sending from visa/xp/whatever.
3. Well WM is always on as long as the battery is in, vista/xp you turn on/off with a switch.
4. They work only on the pc/vista/xp side for msn/skype/other not in the WM side.
5. The WM side is always in landcape, it is possible to rotate manually in the WM side if you want portrait but no auto switching.
6. Yes, it works very well.
7. Nope it's connected to the PC.
You have to think of the shift as two devices regardless of the fact that they do not appear so. Think of the shift as a laptop connected to phone with usb and lan. When you press the snapvue button the keyboard and the screen will switch between these devices, so it appears that they are the same device.
What does this mean?
Well it means that some things we will never get since they are only connected to pc, like true hdd access or touchpad access.
Some thing we however manage to get working in one of two ways, the first is by using some secret way that htc built in the device but decided not no use like the phone, the other way is by using some sort of software for wm or the pc to send stuff over the lan or usb between the wm and the pc, like sharing GPS or the hdd.
But using some software share requieres both sides to be on and that will drain battery, and attery is the main reason we want to use the wm side instead of the pc. If the pc would last as long as the wm we would not use the wm at all. So having the pc on in order to do some stuff in the wm sort of defeats the purpose of using the wm.
The mouse pad is for the PC side, but if you have the PC side running and connected to the WM side via the program USBTool, then it is possible to control WM with the mouse pad/mouse with a program that has been mentioned in these forums before. I have forgotten its name
Ahh nice one Flanimal
What about the reception on the Shift. Comming from the x1 which has notoriously bad reception!
Ahh nice one Flanimal
What about the reception on the Shift. Comming from the x1 which has notoriously bad reception!
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The mouse pad is for the PC side, but if you have the PC side running and connected to the WM side via the program USBTool, then it is possible to control WM with the mouse pad/mouse with a program that has been mentioned in these forums before. I have forgotten its name
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I have remembered the name of this application that allows you to use the mouse and mouse pad in WM whilstVista/XP side is on. It's called trueconnect. It works very well.
PLEASE DON'T THINK OF THIS AS A FOR SALE AD .. It is not .. Too many things I need to re-discover before listing.
I am in the final stages of getting ready to sell my HTC Shift. Maybe. I don't even know what to ask. It is at my office so I don't remember ALL the details. PLUS I see that people are installing Windows 8 on theirs and MAYBE I might want to try that before selling mine. I have the Windows 8 from the Developers convention Samsung Tablet and I like it .. Like it a lot !!
I guess I have come here to ask what a fair price would be for mine and should I try to install the Windows 8?? Or is that still very touch and go with the drivers etc.
It has Full windows mobile w/ the added telephone capability. Another worry. If I reformat or upgrade will I lose the telephone? I use T-Mobile and my connection is Edge. I don't know what you get with an AT&T sim card.
It is the model with the permanent case that screws on. I have taken it off because I also have the Mugen Extended Battery and the case didn't fit well with that battery on .. I still have the original battery and the screw on case as well. I don't know how long either battery is holding a charge. I don't think the life is very bad.
The Shift has also had the drive upgraded. I am thinking it is maybe 100 gigs. But I could be wrong .. something else to check.
I have upgraded the O/S to Vista or maybe Windows 7 ...See .. I can't even say for sure what operating system is installed. I haven't turned it on in months.
I am thinking that when I reformat I will MAYBE lose all the drivers etc so I may as well try installing Windows 8 .. or not . ... Maybe if and when someone buys it they will want it the way it is and they can reformat or whatever ..
Any comments on the pros or cons of Windows 8?? I am really lost .. I just know I have too many computers and too many gadgets and some of them need to go away !! Mostly I don't want my data left on the computer but I don't want the hassle of refomatting and then trying to install drivers etc. I can hardly find time to gather the necessary info and list it ..
Diane
What is wrong with you!!!!
Dear Buddy, The HTC X9500 Shift is a umpc or/and tablet!!! (Ultimate Mobile Personal Computer)This Device rocks!!!! step 1: did you custom the wm side. Step 2: did you split the partition for windows xp and windows 7 ultimate??? did you upgrade the rams to 2gb ram???
did you upgrade the hdd to at least 100gb if you did this all you shift is on fire!!!!!! speed on the internet is good!!! wifi is strong,bluetooth is strong! touch screen with a pen or fingers is good!!! allow's to a plasma or lcd monitor is good!!!! (VGA Connectors)
So what else you asking for a sam**** tablet.
Plus do you know the the ubuntu works excellent with the HTC X9500 shift???? hmmmm....
>> did you custom the wm side.
YES .. It is FULL Windows Mobile and Phone.
>> did you split the partition for windows xp and windows 7 ultimate???
NO .. Just upgraded XP to either Vista or 7 .. don't remember which
>> did you upgrade the rams to 2gb ram???
No .. Don't remember if the ram has been upgraded. I didn't work on it myself most of the time a friend did.
>> did you upgrade the hdd to at least 100gb
YES ...
>> touch screen with a pen or fingers is good!!!
Samsung Tablet (Slate) works with finger or Wacom stylus
>> Plus do you know the the ubuntu works excellent with the HTC X9500 shift???? hmmmm....
What's an ubuntu ???
Will I guess you are a average computer geek....
because Ubuntu is a linux O.S that is much more secured then windows.. Plus it is much faster then windows... Plus again, Ubuntu is the maker of android, who created it for a free open source!!!!
Just stumbled on this thread as I found my Shift at the back of a cupboard a few days ago and was wondering what it was worth. I've flashed the WM side but the other side is still Vista (ugh).
More toys to play with. Hoorah!
I want a Shift so much.... Any ideas on sales? (Mods dont kill me)
1saleaday has it for 199.99 today only...
The Shift Continues to impress me.
I re ghosted a fresh Windows 7 installation to get better performance out of it.
I just installed Ubunuti Wubi and linked it to my smartphone bluetooth modem for wireless internet.
And the WM side gives me an instant notepad with a decent keyboard.
Combined with a smartphone, it's a winner all round.
Hey guys, not sure if there are many people here but I'm looking for some help. I recently bought a shift off ebay because I like the cool sliding form-factor and collecting old palm tops in general. When I got it it had vista on it. It also had a lot of garbage and porn on it from the previous seller who claimed it was mint... that's another story. I ran into some problems with it and tried to reinstall vista. Then I decided to throw windows 10 on it instead thinking it would make it run better.
Unfortunately windows 10 has slowed it down to a crawl. I can't get anything done on it. It's using up a lot of processing power to the point that the device gets hot and abruptly shuts down. I don't know what I was expecting really, it only has an 800mhz proc. Have any of you guys gotten 10 to run smoothly? I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks.
Hi,
There are a number of Windows 10 performance tips in the thread titled "[GUIDE] Installing Windows 10 Technical Preview on the HTC Shift, especially in the final couple of pages.
I'm running Windows 10 on my Shift, and despite my best efforts, it still runs very slow, but good enough for running efficient applications such as Evernote, OneDrive and Word.
My Shift gets hot but it has never suffered from overheating. Perhaps your fan is faulty. Can you hear the fan running?
Hi guys, i was always fanatic for ultra mobile pc´s, i had some vaio P, and now i bought a HTC shift, just spent 50 euros in it, so it is a bargain
I have some questions here:
1- guy who sold me told me that wifi don´t work in windows 8 ( os installed), it needs some driver to work in windows 8/10? or it´s not possible to enable wifi?
2- when i receive the shift should i format all partions and make a new install of win 10? the owner told me that hd is 60gb and have 2 partitions
3- so for what i understand, there is the windows mode and then the windows mobile mode? they are installed in diferent partitions? how does this work?
thank you
i made a clean install of win 10, win 10 is very slow for shift.... all was working less wifi, it wasn´t detecting my home network
made a clean install of win 7 home premium, all smooth and quick, fast boot time, all things are working including touchscreen and wifi
in windows 7 i cant acess 3g dont know why
another problem is that when i press windows mobile key, i only get a black screen, what is the problem?
thank you
ps. for browsing i recimend slim jet browser, really fast and smoother, and very good to use with finger
I take it by now that you have learned that only the windows side uses the HDD (and bluetooth and the SD card). The Windows Mobile side is not connected to any of these (although it is connect to Windows and so can potentially access them if Windows is running).
If 3G is not working in Windows 7, have you run the "Shift Control Centre" to ensure that "Modem" is ON?
When I installed Windows 10 on my HTC Shift from a bootable USB drive created with the "Windows Media Creator" application, I performed a new installation after first deleting all of the partitions on the hard drive. This included the factory default Vista recovery partition, which I will never need, and I'd rather have the extra Gbs of storage.
There was a 2GB RAM module you could buy for it. Also, could you put an SSD inside it to speed it up?
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There was a 2GB RAM module you could buy for it. Also, could you put an SSD inside it to speed it up?
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You can buy a 2gb module in eBay but they are very expensive
About SSD you can use it, dont know wich modelo, but its possible, but this laptop have slow processor and bad graphic, so, i dont recomend this investment at all
I've got two Shifts. One with liberated Snapvue, 2GB Ram and 128GB SSD.
Had Windows7 installed, but then tried Win10. The first Beta versions made shift run like a charm, but with each update it became slower. I then returned to Vista with AeroDesign and 3d gimmicks disabled. Now runs pretty good, fast enough and stable.
The second Shift also runs Vista. Unfortunately i'm not able to liberate its Mobile side, as it refuses to receive emails although 3G is working fine. Strange thing: though not liberated, Vista is able to use the 3G modem.
windows 7 runs ok in shift, for me it´s the best os
Running Windows 10 on my Shift. I disabled certain things such as background apps, superfetch, and Windows search.
I wonder how much impact the future Meltdown and Spectre mitigation updates will have on my poor stock HTC Shift...
Wow! Started reading this thread and I cant believe I fired up my Shift. Running Windows 8 on it. It took 30 minutes for Windows defender to update . Updating Windows now. ANyone know where I can find an inexpensive battery?
Thanks
try ebay
search for htc x9500 or htc shift
btw
win 7 is the best os for this machine
Battery
Search htc shift in ebay and some will appear. Not cheap cicra £20-30 but probably not a deal breaker either.
I have used kingspec 1.8 inch 128 gb ssd's in other devices and they work well. Their speed depends upon the interface required, if ide then this will be the bottleneck. As for the original hdd they are one of the slowest ever made and were redesigned for media player usage!
Slow down windows 10 on a 1 CPU 800mHz 1gb or 2gb?
Answer this question first!!!