Hi all, i'm new to the shift scene and have a couple of questions:
1. I gather that the WM part of the device is an emulator running on Vista. Is there anyway to turn Vista off so its just WM that is running. (I guess not as the Shift has no WM capable hardware.)
2. Is there anyway to send SMS from the WM side? Can you send SMS from the Vista side?
3. Has anyone got TF3D running on it?
4. Comming from the Xperia X1 forum, there are loads of ROMs for the X1. Are there any WM6.1 ROMs out there for the Shift?.
5. Can you use a bluetooth headset with this device
6. How much does XP speed up the device? How much does Win7 slow down the device? Can you have XP or Win7 running WM?
7. Can you run TomTom on the WM side?
Many Thanks
vinokirk said:
1. I gather that the WM part of the device is an emulator running on Vista. Is there anyway to turn Vista off so its just WM that is running. (I guess not as the Shift has no WM capable hardware.)
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1. You couldn't be more wrong. The WM side is actually a real smartphone built in to the shift mother board with it's own processor and all. WM is always on as long as there is power.
vinokirk said:
2. Is there anyway to send SMS from the WM side? Can you send SMS from the Vista side?
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2. Yes it can even do that out of the box with no hacking.
vinokirk said:
3. Has anyone got TF3D running on it?
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3. TF3D is to demanding on the WM hardware built in to the shift so a no can do there. You will have to be happy with point ui at best.
vinokirk said:
4. Comming from the Xperia X1 forum, there are loads of ROMs for the X1. Are there any WM6.1 ROMs out there for the Shift?.
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4. Yup just browse the forum.
vinokirk said:
5. Can you use a bluetooth headset with this device
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5. No, since bt is attached to the computer part and not the phone there is no bt on wm. You cannot use wired head set even. Actually the only way to make calls is using speaker phone. You have to remember it's a computer with wm, not a phone with vista.
vinokirk said:
6. How much does XP speed up the device? How much does Win7 slow down the device? Can you have XP or Win7 running WM?
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6. Errh, The q is how well does xp work and how much better will it work with W7 then vista, remember W7 is lighter then Visa and works better on portables then Xp.
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7. Can you run TomTom on the WM side?
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7. Possible in theory impossible practically, we do not have the space avalible on the WM for maps. We cannot use SD since it's attched to the computer not the phone. It is possible to use the computer hdd but it requieres the computer part to be running and that will drain the battery.
The shift is NOT a phone, it's a special device in its own category. One should us it as a additional device not as a phone replacement.
use google maps
you can use google maps instead of tomtom.
Gmaps is another type of app. I's map app, tomtom is a navigator.
Yes you can browse maps on the shift, but no navigation.
Josasp, many thanks for your answers!
Just comming back to a couple of your answers...
Josasp said:
1. You couldn't be more wrong. The WM side is actually a real smartphone built in to the shift mother board with it's own processor and all. WM is always on as long as there is power.
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Im sure I saw in a video a guy was saying how the WM part is an emulation on windows. So you can have the Win XP part totally off and just have the phone on?
Josasp said:
2. Is there anyway to send SMS from the WM side? Can you send SMS from the Vista side?
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Can you make it clear that you mean you can send sms from the Vista side?
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7. Possible in theory impossible practically, we do not have the space avalible on the WM for maps. We cannot use SD since it's attched to the computer not the phone. It is possible to use the computer hdd but it requieres the computer part to be running and that will drain the battery.
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How much space is there on the WM side. You say we can use the WinXP hdd, so does that mean that the WM side can access the WinXP HDD? I would like to use TT navigator in my car, so there would be no probs with power. So people on here have got the GPS unit working then?
Last question, is it 3G? I will have a look myself now for this answer tho, I only just thought of it
ANSWER: Yes it does support 3G
This really is an intriguing device! If only you could make proper calls on it without it being on speakerphone!
Ofc you can SMS you have full wm fuctionality, the speakerphone issue is just that the shift is missing a earpice and access to headset, so it leaves the speakerphone the only option.
I'ts not only 3G it is also HSDPA wich is fater then regular 3G, but notice that there is a CDMA version avalible to that is NOT 3G.
Well the WM part is linked to the computer(vista) in two ways, the first is some sort of internal usb connection that we can turn on and off using "usb tool".
The other way is that the WM and Vista is linked i an internal local network (LAN) that allows vista to connect to the internet using WM as a router an modem, much like a regular home lan.
The fact that they are linked via lan allows for us to use shared folders between the devices in the device, i't works in the same way you share folders over a home network.
Using this shared folders feature we can use the Vista hdd but ONLY when the computer part is on. So there is no direct connection betweed the vista hdd and WM only the virtual share.
I't works but it drains battery and it's slightly buggy, it's not really a great solution.
What would be way better in your case is sharing the GPS module over the internal usb to vista. That is a lot less data and is way more stable.
There is some good navigation software for regular computers too, garmin has a software similar to thier WM software.
A solotion like that looks a lot more stable if you ask me.
Couple more questions:
1)So the GPS module is 'natively' attached to the WM side but you can access it from the WinXP side?
2)Can you confirm if you can send texts from the WinXP side, what program do you use to do it?
3)Can you confirm if you can have the WinXP side totally off and just run the WM side?
4)There are some people on ebay sellling wired headsets for the shift, but you say they dont work...i dont understand! are these seller lying???
5)When the screen is flipped up and your on the WM side, does it go into landspace view?
6)Can you use the hardware keyboard on the WM side?
7)Can you use the trackpad on the WM side?
1. Yes with custom rom like almost everything.
2. Text is sent from WM side perfectly no need for sending from visa/xp/whatever.
3. Well WM is always on as long as the battery is in, vista/xp you turn on/off with a switch.
4. They work only on the pc/vista/xp side for msn/skype/other not in the WM side.
5. The WM side is always in landcape, it is possible to rotate manually in the WM side if you want portrait but no auto switching.
6. Yes, it works very well.
7. Nope it's connected to the PC.
You have to think of the shift as two devices regardless of the fact that they do not appear so. Think of the shift as a laptop connected to phone with usb and lan. When you press the snapvue button the keyboard and the screen will switch between these devices, so it appears that they are the same device.
What does this mean?
Well it means that some things we will never get since they are only connected to pc, like true hdd access or touchpad access.
Some thing we however manage to get working in one of two ways, the first is by using some secret way that htc built in the device but decided not no use like the phone, the other way is by using some sort of software for wm or the pc to send stuff over the lan or usb between the wm and the pc, like sharing GPS or the hdd.
But using some software share requieres both sides to be on and that will drain battery, and attery is the main reason we want to use the wm side instead of the pc. If the pc would last as long as the wm we would not use the wm at all. So having the pc on in order to do some stuff in the wm sort of defeats the purpose of using the wm.
The mouse pad is for the PC side, but if you have the PC side running and connected to the WM side via the program USBTool, then it is possible to control WM with the mouse pad/mouse with a program that has been mentioned in these forums before. I have forgotten its name
Ahh nice one Flanimal
What about the reception on the Shift. Comming from the x1 which has notoriously bad reception!
Ahh nice one Flanimal
What about the reception on the Shift. Comming from the x1 which has notoriously bad reception!
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The mouse pad is for the PC side, but if you have the PC side running and connected to the WM side via the program USBTool, then it is possible to control WM with the mouse pad/mouse with a program that has been mentioned in these forums before. I have forgotten its name
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I have remembered the name of this application that allows you to use the mouse and mouse pad in WM whilstVista/XP side is on. It's called trueconnect. It works very well.
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Just wondering I'm using Athena Intel 624Mhz. I noticed that Shift WM is only using 400Mhz Qualcomm processor. Does this mean the Shift WM will be slower than the Athena intel based 624Mhz? Does anybody have any benchmarks or real life comparisons?
I'm very interested with Shift but I'm afraid the performance hit would be very hard to bear.
Thanks
I have both Athena and Shift, there is no noticeable speed difference between them, although I cannot install many apps on the Shift due to the size constraints.
Thanks for the input.
I love my Athena a lot. I'm afraid that I will miss so much from Athena with Shift. I'm more interested in the windows mobile department than in the Vista department. Since performance such as snappiness is very important.
Can you actually synchronize Shift to your laptop computer using activesync similar to Athena?
I have a bunch of data files and emails on my laptop, with athena synchronized via activesync. I'm afraid with Shift, it will be a lot of work to keep the files synchronized with my laptop.
SnapVue/WM on the Shift, can't "see" the USB port on the device (that may or may not change in the future) so you can't sync it directly to another laptop via ActiveSync. You can however sync it to its own Vista side via activesync if you've liberated your Shift.
However, it seems to me that if you aren't particularly interested in the Vista side of the device, it's likely that it isn't the device for you in the first place - your Athena is probably more than capable enough for your needs. It's really a Vista PC first, and a WM device second.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
SnapVue/WM on the Shift, can't "see" the USB port on the device (that may or may not change in the future) so you can't sync it directly to another laptop via ActiveSync. You can however sync it to its own Vista side via activesync if you've liberated your Shift.
However, it seems to me that if you aren't particularly interested in the Vista side of the device, it's likely that it isn't the device for you in the first place - your Athena is probably more than capable enough for your needs. It's really a Vista PC first, and a WM device second.
Regards,
Dave
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correct. we can enhance the wm more but it will always be umpc first.
Thank you Guys for the input.
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Thank you Guys for the input.
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np. we are here to help.
I just received my CL850 virtual Keyboard today. Try to set up, it is easy - medium setup. It took me about 30 min from installing the drivers and connecting it to my HTC Tilt. It work on my WM 6.1 Dutty's Rom with a WM5 (the latest driver).
The keyboard overall is very good, if you want me to rates from 1-10 with 10 is the best, I will give 9. It is easy to type and adjust the sensitivity, I can see cleary even I am in very bright room. And the keyboard stroke sound can be adjust into four levels plus no sound, with quick function. So you don't need to be worry bothering other people if you are in a library.
The downsize of the keyboard: (1) it only can use on flat surface, so you need to place it on the table, (2) You can't assign a button on some of 4-unassign keyboard keys. I try to look at the manual so far but can't find any guide how to do it. I will try to contact a customer service if I can assign a button. It will be very helpful if I can assign those 2 soft left and right buttons key.
It is my first day got the item, I still need a further test and lets you guys know. Thanks
Nice, I've never seen a review on this keyboard before, only some previews. I have the iTech VKB but I don't like the fact that it lacks usb connection as I would like to connect it to my PC. Yes I know you can connect it with bluetooth but I would like to use it when entering the BIOS and also choosing OS to boot.
Does it work with USB on a standard PC without drivers or do you have to install the ones from Celluon? I'm asking this because I rarely use Windows. I read that it does indeed require drivers and therefore won't work on for ex. Linux based phones or Linux PC's.
I have an iTech VKB but it only has bluetooth and the quality is not that good. It tilts over easily too.
One problem with these keyboards are that if you typ a key that is between to IR sensor and another key you are typing it won't register. It does also not like too many simultaneous presses.
I really like the fact that you just need to swipe the table instead of opening the keyboard when it gets really dirty inside.
Well this is very interesting but It's expensive at least if ordering to Sweden.
I just got one today and It's the greatest "keyboard" I have used ever. It works all the way from bios to the Ubuntu desktop. It's much better than the itech vkb. The more solid construction prevents it from tilting as easy as the itech. It seems I have to adjust sensitivity however. The touch-pad feature is great and it feels to me like it supports multi-touch. Finally no more cleaning of the keyboard.
My current problem is scrolling in touch-pad mode. Arrows and dragging the right bar works but I would really like scrolling in the middle.
I thought the silverish button on the top was a push button but it was actually capacitive.
I haven't tried bluetooth because Ubuntu has currently big trouble with bluetooth.
Another problem is when playing games that require WASD and the mouse. The touch-pad feature won't work at the same time as the keyboard except the most basic buttons like ENTER and ARROWS.
PS. CTRL-ALT-DEL works (emergency reboot).
cl850 celluon laser keyboard/mouse on wm6?
I've gotten the keyboard to work via bluetooth and it works amazingly on my omnia wm6.1; had it working on previous dell axim x51v and palm tx... BUT, I haven't been able to get the mouse portion to work under wm... both keyboard and mouse work great in XP... any suggestions?
What drivers are you using and how did you set them up on wm6.1?
I have tried all the latest drivers from Celluon on my HTC Fuze p4600 and none will go.
I get an 'initialization error' when I try to run the setup util on the phone.
spdeb said:
What drivers are you using and how did you set them up on wm6.1?
I have tried all the latest drivers from Celluon on my HTC Fuze p4600 and none will go.
I get an 'initialization error' when I try to run the setup util on the phone.
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I get the same error when running the software on my Touch Diamond. This happens when running their app from the control panel.
From their site i've tried
SmartPhone [WM6.0] PKSetup_v1.9 / PocketPC WM6PPC_PKSetup_v1.9
Rob
Rob,
I did actually get this device to function with my p4600. I have since switched to another device, however, if I remember correctly I think it was the pocket PC 2003 drivers (not smart phone) that I FINALLY got to work, though the keyboard function was rather choppy while typing. You also have to start (and leave running) the Virtual KB app every time you want to use it.
Under XP, Vista and even Win7 the keyboard functions surprisingly well.. I just wish there were more support for mobile devices, which is where this device would really shine.
Interesing, i've just tried
Smartphone - [WM2003] PKSetup_v1.1.exe and it has a start menu app instead of control panel, that program does find the keyboard and it works. It seems accurate but its really slow, ie typing hello, you finish and then it start's its clicking noise and the letters appear.
The previous ones I tried was WM6.0 version 1.9 under both smartphone and PocketPC, although both zip files are identical size.
So when you used it and it was rather choppy, too slow to actaully use? Just wondering if the WM6 ones would work at a good speed if they worked.
http://www.celluon.com/common/data/list.html?a_gb=data&a_cd=3&a_item=0
The 2k3 drivers were the only ones I could get to function at all, and yes it was too slow to use. I assume this poor performance is not caused by a limitation of the phone or the keyboard because like I said in the previous post it functions flawlessly on a PC (XP,Vista and Win7) as well as with my Nokia (Symbian) device. This of course leads me to believe that if the correct driver or driver program existed and were used then this lag in typing would go away.
On another note it seems there are some people that have no problems using the WM6 drivers on their 6.1 devices which makes me think the incompatibility could reside on the device manufacturer side of things.. IE HTC has some setting or settings enabled/disabled in the OS which makes the driver program error out. I can only assume it would be an easy fix.. if it were just known what the problem is.
I have sent several messages to Celluon about this matter and receive nothing in return. I am afraid its just a defunct company at this point. Its ashame because its such a great little device. I don't think there are enough units out in the world to receive much community support.
oh man
I have one and I love it to death, but it does NOT get along with windows mobile 6.5
anybody seen any anything resembling a glimmer of hope? I've seen some of the stuff the xda beasts do, there has to be a way to get this to work.
Ive got the latest WM driver i could find on the celluon site & it all installed fine on my HD2 the only thing is i cant get it to connect via bluetooth, when i try & connect im asked for a passcode & whatever i enter it just says there was an error.
EDIT: Solved that, got all the way to selecting Projection Keyboard in the keyboard menu, then i get an error 'The security account database contains an internal inconsistency'
I still haven't decided on the purchase of the shift as of yet... I really want it, but I'm not sure if I'm going to carry this & a pocketpc...
I have sold my htc 7501, and was looking for something similar; I love the form of the shift, I am disappointed that it doesn't support voice calling...
My question is do you still carry a pocket pc? If so, what do you reccomend?
I can't get used to a regular cellphone...
Sum suggestions or input on what i should do would be appreciated.
Hi
The fact is that our shift can't make calls. That means for me that I need a mobile. I can't get along with a tiny display and/or a crappy OS like s60 (just my point of view) and the shift isn't really a pocket pc for me.That's why I carry my shift on my back and my Kaiser in my pocket.
The real problem with Shift is that it can't make voice call (at least not yet), as mentioned before.
But, anyway, I bought the Shift "as it was" and not for what "it could become someday".
So, I'm carrying my Shift in my suitcase and a LG KS20 (WM 6) in my pocket.
In order to keep synced everything I use an Exchange server.
Hope this answered to your question.
Thanks for the input, that really helps.
I had planned on getting the shift & the htc touch pro.
i was thinking if there was a way to simplify my load by just getting a standard cell, but i can't live w/o a pocketpc, LOL!!
i now know i'm not the only one carrying a umpc & a pocketpc.
I've ditched the pocket PC (well kinda...use either an Omnia i900 or N95 - both capable PIM devices)...the Shift fills the gap nicely. I use the SnapVue side all the time...email, quick check on the web for something basic...it really is great to have that instant on and no need for an external modem (phone)...the Shift isn't going anywhere far from me in the short term.
Hi,
For now, I carry my Shift and my Kaiser.
IF The phone function AND the SD acces get working, I might leave it at home.
For now, my Kaiser is my agenda, phone & actually my external memory.
Greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
Pfeffa-rah said:
Hi,
For now, I carry my Shift and my Kaiser.
IF The phone function AND the SD acces get working, I might leave it at home.
For now, my Kaiser is my agenda, phone & actually my external memory.
Greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
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Ditto here.
Thanks
Ram
hey guys, i was thinking of starting this, but i don't have a Shift (as yet) and would like to ask a few questions before i get one, hopeful that some of the guys here (please?) could help answer them
My plan is very simple - plug the shift to an external screen, invert (mirror image) that display, and point it at a reflective surface on the windscreen to create a Head Up Display. so - the questions:
1) does the external VGA port work in Windows Mobile mode?
2) does the touchpad move the mouse into the area displayed by the external port in both WM and Vista mode?
3) how long does Vista or XP take to boot up as a clean install
thx for the help in advance
jo
joetheman said:
hey guys, i was thinking of starting this, but i don't have a Shift (as yet) and would like to ask a few questions before i get one, hopeful that some of the guys here (please?) could help answer them
My plan is very simple - plug the shift to an external screen, invert (mirror image) that display, and point it at a reflective surface on the windscreen to create a Head Up Display. so - the questions:
1) does the external VGA port work in Windows Mobile mode?
2) does the touchpad move the mouse into the area displayed by the external port in both WM and Vista mode?
3) how long does Vista or XP take to boot up as a clean install
thx for the help in advance
jo
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Just tinkering about with the vga output and I can confirm the following:
1) VGA-out only works on vista side (for now at least, don't know if this could be one of the things that may be possible to port over in the future, certainly not anytime soon)
2) Even if you could get VGA-out from WM side, there is no mouse support/mouse pointer on WM side, although again it is possibe the touchpad could be ported over to WM side and port mouse support from another device with a similar chipset (I believe they do exist with mouse support, mini tracker balls etc)
3) Boot time on clean install for Vista is about 90 seconds I guess, not sure about XP
So what you're suggesting may be possible in the future, but I suspect it would take a lot of work, time and effort, and an excellent knowledge and understanding of dlls, drivers and rom cooking - which I don't have!
Hope I've helped anyway.
thanks mate, that helped a lot. sounds like something too tough for me, unless i can live with it being on the XP/Vista side of things sigh
thx anyway
hi,
some VIA Epia or Intel ATOM ITX Boards are much cheaper then a Shift for CARPC use. Or there a some other solutions for carpc with integrated amplifier, radio, and standard double DIN rack mount, with intelligent power Management for car voltage.
for standard Windows use: (XP Embedded, or standard XP)
as sample:
http://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/770
the same, but with Windows CE 5 (so you can install TOMTOM and some other windows Mobile realted Software...
Http://
but other side, shift is High integrated. for Windows side, centrafuse works very well on htc shift and you can use taht as mediacenter too..
see: http://www.fluxmedia.net
Hi all,
I have had my new HTC shift now for a week and a half. I have come to the conclusion that it is a V8 race car with four spark plugs removed, wheels replaced with those of a Morris Minor, and communications replaced with a Bakelite radio! (Apart from that it's brilliant)
When buying the shift I was slightly misled by the salesperson who sort of indicated that the SnapView side of the shift would be usable after it had been liberated. This is far from the truth.
I work with a government agency doing farm cropping experimentation work, I need my device to be able to communicate with multiple serial devices (such as data logging weather stations, electronic scales etc)
My Dell X50v did all that and much more (until my wife sat on it and broke the digitiser). I realise I can communicate to these devices using the PC side but there are times when I need the device to be connected for long periods running on battery only, and I had some very cool software that communicates extremely well and is very easy to use on the ppc side.
So here are some of my questions, (I have heaps lol, but this will do for a start)
1)Is there likely to be anyway we can have Windows Mobile communicate with anything? (Except its own Vista version or while Vista is running in the background)
2) I am running the latest versions of pocket office and ActiveSync or whatever you call it in Vista, however every time I try and save an Excel worksheet in WM6 I get the error message that tells me formatting will be lost and gives me the option to "save as". Every time I reopen the newly saved worksheet in Vista and re-save it then opened a gain in pocket Excel I get the same message again!. It's driving me nuts! They're all saved as Excel worksheets so they should work. Has anyone any ideas?
3) And finally just a quick question on the GPS. I have seen some post regarding the GPS in WM6, has this device got an inbuilt GPS? Will updating the ROM enable it?
3.) There are ROM's with GPS enabled, just have a look for them
2.) For me a Office install from CAB (cause my rom doesnt have office) did the Job
1.) windows Mobile can conenct to any internet address or what u like to connect it to ? You have your apps for your scales / serial stuff for windows mobile ?
Your serial stuff can be done with XP / Vista and a USB/Serial adapter
Greets
thank for the reply
with my old Axim i use a application called pocketDAQ It works so well and it relay data straight into pocket excell.
I guess I will just have to wait until some one get the usb or bluetooth working on the wm6 side
thanks