Wm 6.1 Thought? - Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General

This may be a really idiotic question but in my mind it really makes sense. But, I only know some basic things about programming and things of that nature, and not to much about ROM's. But anyway, here goes.
I called Htc earlier today, as I do every week to see if there was any new news on a release date for the very , very elusive Official Windows Mobile 6.1 upgrade for my Htc Touch/Vougue, from Alltel. Knowing that Alltel is usually one of the last carriers to get things done,
I tried to get a release date from him with no prevail. But he mentioned that Wm6.1 had already been released in a few other countries(Im in the US), which Im sure quite a few of you knew, but I did not. I had actually never heard this, or read about it here, so I called back and brought it up to another tech and he said the same thing, so I am assuming it's true. If they have misled me , then I'm extremely sorry for the waste of space.
Now I dont know what countries he's talking about, no clue actually ,but heres my thought. If it has already been released in an official form from some overseas cell provider, why couldn't someone download the ROM, and somehow add language support for other countries? Couldn't they just remove the Radio portion of the ROM and release an actual wm6.1 ROM.
Now, like I said , I know nothing or ROM's other than what Ive read here over the past few months, and only what little Ive understood of that. But there are Wm6.1 threads everywhere , of people wanting a stock/orig version, so this just crossed my mind. Maybe that where these custom 6.1 roms on here come from? Im not sure. But its just a thought. Anyone care to correct me or comment? Dont be harsh though, I seriously didn't know if this was possible, and thought if it was, why hasnt it been done. Thanks guys.

oh my god. Curious George.. no comment?

TweakMan said:
This may be a really idiotic question but in my mind it really makes sense. But, I only know some basic things about programming and things of that nature, and not to much about ROM's. But anyway, here goes.
I called Htc earlier today, as I do every week to see if there was any new news on a release date for the very , very elusive Official Windows Mobile 6.1 upgrade for my Htc Touch/Vougue, from Alltel. Knowing that Alltel is usually one of the last carriers to get things done,
I tried to get a release date from him with no prevail. But he mentioned that Wm6.1 had already been released in a few other countries(Im in the US), which Im sure quite a few of you knew, but I did not. I had actually never heard this, or read about it here, so I called back and brought it up to another tech and he said the same thing, so I am assuming it's true. If they have misled me , then I'm extremely sorry for the waste of space.
Now I dont know what countries he's talking about, no clue actually ,but heres my thought. If it has already been released in an official form from some overseas cell provider, why couldn't someone download the ROM, and somehow add language support for other countries? Couldn't they just remove the Radio portion of the ROM and release an actual wm6.1 ROM.
Now, like I said , I know nothing or ROM's other than what Ive read here over the past few months, and only what little Ive understood of that. But there are Wm6.1 threads everywhere , of people wanting a stock/orig version, so this just crossed my mind. Maybe that where these custom 6.1 roms on here come from? Im not sure. But its just a thought. Anyone care to correct me or comment? Dont be harsh though, I seriously didn't know if this was possible, and thought if it was, why hasnt it been done. Thanks guys.
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i think wm6.1 roms are available here for a long time..

It's been realesed in various countries outside of the US most likely because of a higher demand, and HTC operates from Taiwan. The update itself is per carrier and country.

Try the "Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking" section, or the section dedicated to your phone, and you might find what your looking for.
I too am suprised to see curious george hasn't told you to stop thinking, maybe he's been kidnapped or something?

i think he's given up on people who post questions like:
"i have a PPC, how do i turn it on?"
*HINT! HINT!*

nir36 said:
i think he's given up on people who post questions like:
"i have a PPC, how do i turn it on?"
*HINT! HINT!*
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WOW! Almost fell out of my chair on that one Nir

i wish it would be in happier circumstances

nir36 said:
i think he's given up on people who post questions like:
"i have a PPC, how do i turn it on?"
*HINT! HINT!*
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Excellent question! Can we get a Sticky or maybe add this to G.W.E.N.I.???

i don't think we need a sticky on it here's the answer:
you go peeing, and if it doesn't turn on when you're back, you should give up and buy a symbian based phone.

nir36 said:
i don't think we need a sticky on it here's the answer:
you go peeing, and if it doesn't turn on when you're back, you should give up and buy a symbian based phone.
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Isn't that a phone for monkeys?
(Maybe we SHOULD sticky this, ehehehehe! )

as it seems... the monkey is dealing with that phone very well
(he probably installed an HTC WM6.1 Official ROM on it himself)
but Dr.Puttingham, you're posing a new and serious question which i will search google for straight away.
"do monkeys pee?"
i will edit this post later with the answer.
(also, i suggest creating an archive with all questions which are too stupid to be asked. before posting every member has to read the whole list and then post a question, if he/she didn't follow the rules he/she will be accused of murder)
put this on the front cover of the archive:

Cell Phone see, Cell Phone Do!!!!

nir36 said:
as it seems... the monkey is dealing with that phone very well
(he probably installed an HTC WM6.1 Official ROM on it himself)
but Dr.Puttingham, you're posing a new and serious question which i will search google for straight away.
"do monkeys pee?"
i will edit this post later with the answer.
(also, i suggest creating an archive with all questions which are too stupid to be asked. before posting every member has to read the whole list and then post a question, if he/she didn't follow the rules he/she will be accused of murder)
put this on the front cover of the archive:
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Now THAT is a great suggestion! We need to start a sticky for these stupid question with a EULA requiring clicking "I have read and agree that these questions are too stupid, even for me"

LOL! dude... you're killing me.

yeah, the eula thing would be so funny, make it some crap like
"its ok to ask if windows mobile 9 can be ported to the sony ericsson k750"
then have options of i agree or this is total crap... then people will by default click i agree, and it should say something like well you cant join then and ip-block them
lol

rorydaredkign said:
yeah, the eula thing would be so funny, make it some crap like
"its ok to ask if windows mobile 9 can be ported to the sony ericsson k750"
then have options of i agree or this is total crap... then people will by default click i agree, and it should say something like well you cant join then and ip-block them
lol
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LOL! You've got my vote.

i think it would be easier to just follow the sign and set them on fire

Related

A little Elf bait

Not sure if this is the right forum, but I was wondering if anyone had seen LegolasTheElf. Trying to sort something out and I have not gotten a repsonse to my PM. He is usually prompt.
He got mad and left right after he got banned. Post your problem, I'm sure someone can help.
I think he's hanging out over at HTC-Devs.com
I've seen a few posts from him over there
Thanks Timtown.
I know where the fool is...
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1163865&page=1&pp=15
LegolasTheElf
Phone fan Phone(s):
1: Cingular 8525 - WM6, highly customized!
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3:
Provider(s):
Cingular/AT&T
Joined: May 2007
From: SoCal, USA
Posts: 14
XDA castoff looking for new home!
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I'm one of the senior guys from XDA -- look for any posts by LegolasTheElf on XDA and you'll see what I mean
Anyways, I'm one of the experts on the HTC TyTn/Hermes/8525. I thought I'd introduce myself here, and offer some assistance.
Here are MY ground rules:
1) If you keep asking me the same questions over and over again, don't be surprised that I either don't answer you, or give you a really stupid answer.
2) I can tell you what you need to know to get WM6 on your device WITHOUT bricking it. I can FIX bricks. Here's the deal. If you want general help, that's great. I can do it. If you want 1-on-1 support, you'll need to PM me and make arrangements to compensate me.
Anyways, I'm not going to be on XDA again, for a while.. So, HoFo just gained a HTC expert
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The "Expert" showed up at HoFo offering his god like service to the pions. Please take this fool back!
dkb218 said:
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1163865&page=1&pp=15
The "Expert" showed up at HoFo offering his god like service to the pions. Please take this fool back!
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LOL....he's getting around a bit then - I've seen him "hanging with JJ" over at 4winmobile too
Having gotten himself and his alter ego (xQx) banned by shogunmark, I'm sure he's bound to (try to?) sneak back under the radar to taunt some poor unsuspecting n00b
For now, at least, the Elf's on the dark side
Mark.
Legolas is saying on HoFo that he was banned because he criticized a Moderator. Just for the record, that is not the reason he was banned and the decision was not taken lightly.
To keep the spirit and quality of this site we will not tolerate abusive language particularly when used to describe other members, or those who cannot accept that this is a community where the opinions of others deserve respect.
We do accept freedom of expression where it is politely and intelligently expressed and does not constitute a personal and abusive attack on other forum users.
Members need only use common sense to see the boundary between reasonable good behaviour and repeatedly going too far.
This is not a forum where people should be tuning in to be voyeurs to the latest tirade of flaming and colourful language - there's lots of other fora you can go to for that.
Here endeth the lesson - now let's have some fun
Mike
Yes, he has been welcomed into HOFO with warmth and open arms. I expect he will be their senior mod soon!
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1163865&page=1&pp=15
JasenR said:
Yes, he has been welcomed into HOFO with warmth and open arms. I expect he will be their senior mod soon!
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1163865&page=1&pp=15
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lol..wow...
Ive seen Logolas shoot out some serious flames before. But reading the reast of that hofo post, it seems like karma is catchin up to him
Mark Crouch said:
Having gotten himself and his alter ego (xQx) banned by shogunmark, I'm sure he's bound to (try to?) sneak back under the radar to taunt some poor unsuspecting n00b
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Your right, he has tried.. and he does currently have a different user id on here, but i am allowing him to plead his case with us mods/admins.. but i can tell you it probably wont last....
shogunmark said:
Your right, he has tried.. and he does currently have a different user id on here, but i am allowing him to plead his case with us mods/admins.. but i can tell you it probably wont last....
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I admit, he is a bit harsh and may have taken it a bit too far, but who doesn't get frustrated. I would rather take some good advice from someone who demands that I do my homework, than get bad advice and a $500 brick. He is knowledgeable and helpful, if not a bit abrasive Seriously, if I had a vote (which I don't), I would keep him around for his knowledge I'll take the personality quirks that go with it. I realize this may not be a popular opinion atm, but he has unbricked a bunch of Hermes.
Just my .02 (monetary unit of your choice)
todd_jg said:
I admit, he is a bit harsh and may have taken it a bit too far, but who doesn't get frustrated. I would rather take some good advice from someone who demands that I do my homework, than get bad advice and a $500 brick. He is knowledgeable and helpful, if not a bit abrasive Seriously, if I had a vote (which I don't), I would keep him around for his knowledge I'll take the personality quirks that go with it. I realize this may not be a popular opinion atm, but he has unbricked a bunch of Hermes.
Just my .02 (monetary unit of your choice)
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If i myself would have only seen what all has happened on the surface then i would probably agree with you, but there has been a lot that has happened in the background that most people dont know about, nor will we make it public.. but i can assure you that the things that have happened in the background completely goes against the xda spirit...
Well, if nothing else, this story illustrates what we should all know well by now ... the internet and technology makes this a very small world ... and there no longer is the fiction of maintaining/making reputations in isolation ... a quick stroll through the HOFO thread make this point crystal clear.
Not to get biblical, but the "reap what you sow" line comes to mind.
mikechannon said:
We do accept freedom of expression where it is politely and intelligently expressed and does not constitute a personal and abusive attack on other forum users.
This is not a forum where people should be tuning in to be voyeurs to the latest tirade of flaming and colourful language - there's lots of other fora you can go to for that.
Mike
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Yet it appears you helped in creating this ****. way to go idiot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308339
Midget_1990 said:
actually mikechannon photoshopped that
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Yet it appears you helped in creating this ****. way to go idiot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308339
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Mods: now that the kinder and gentler elf is back, this thread can be cleaned up and locked. Removal of the previous post would be appreciated. I do think that mods should be paid some respect - even from seniors. Thanks.
todd_jg said:
Mods: now that the kinder and gentler elf is back, this thread can be cleaned up and locked. Removal of the previous post would be appreciated. I do think that mods should be paid some respect - even from seniors. Thanks.
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Perhaps another mod should do the cleaning as I seem to be in the firing line here. I would just say that the above graphic was a purely humorous post originally created at the time M$ was making us take down the ROM archive (Hence "no Mr Gates don't do it")- it was certainly not any kind of criticism of Shogun for whom I have great respect. Let's not loose our sense of humour.
Mike
Mike, I apologize, and not because you are a mod, but because I was wrong about you.
I never seen the image when it was used about the rom archive, and immediately seen it as bashing shogunmark.
@ Todd, "the kindler gentler elf" has already mentioned brainless people can't read in his posts already, and also, I don't care if I am senior or noob, (its fairly clear the intent of the Elfs avitar, even though Mikechannon had nothing to do with it) Im going to say something about it, I can't even believe he was let back in, to be honest.
ChaoticDruid said:
Mike, I apologize, and not because you are a mod, but because I was wrong about you.
I never seen the image when it was used about the rom archive, and immediately seen it as bashing shogunmark.
@ Todd, "the kindler gentler elf" has already mentioned brainless people can't read in his posts already, and also, I don't care if I am senior or noob, (its fairly clear the intent of the Elfs avitar, even though Mikechannon had nothing to do with it) Im going to say something about it, I can't even believe he was let back in, to be honest.
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How did you get out of the insane asylum? I was told to watch my language.. I did that.
My avatar has everything to do with the ROM archive being removed.. What were YOU thinking it was?!?
Personally, I just keep hearing the Wizard of Oz when I read your posts... Something about the scarecrow and his one desire.. But, I don't quite remember the words.
Anyways, enjoy the rest of your day! And, thanks for your great input!
The reality is that you don't have to like or agree with me. But, if you really hate everything I do and say, just add me to your ignore list. However, what fun is it to only read one side of an opinion? Maybe you're one of those people who are afraid of having an open mind.. Things can fall out.
ChaoticDruid said:
Yet it appears you helped in creating this ****. way to go idiot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308339
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its true.. it was all a joke and in good fun Mike is a great guy whom i also have lots of respect for.

About to wake up from my dream.....

So I was wondering...
and shopping...
and comparing...
and deciding....
And now my mind is pretty much made up about upgrading (that means selling my dream, already got a buyer so don't ask, and buying the Nexus unlocked from google) to the Nexus.
but...
To all you dream devs I love your work, and just want to say thanx.
Also, How many of you, other than CM, are moving on to development for the Nexus?
And will I be able to flash roms like Super- D, and WG- Y on the Nexus?
Or are they Dream roms only?
I won't say the obvious...
And they are dream/magic roms only
Im still waiting on the Htc Legend to be released. Ill prob wait till mid-end year around bday to get a new phone. But the Mighty-Leo is a nice looking phone just like my zodiac sign.
Ace42 said:
Im still waiting on the Htc Legend to be released. Ill prob wait till mid-end year around bday to get a new phone. But the Mighty-Leo is a nice looking phone just like my zodiac sign.
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mine too, but i got my sights on the SE X10 i love the looks of the timescape/mediascape!
Meltus said:
mine too, but i got my sights on the SE X10 i love the looks of the timescape/mediascape!
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That looks nice but the prototypes had lag with 256MB ram which is to little for the UI. Hopefully those bugs get worked out by sony.
Ace42 said:
Im still waiting on the Htc Legend to be released. Ill prob wait till mid-end year around bday to get a new phone. But the Mighty-Leo is a nice looking phone just like my zodiac sign.
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htc legend? What company is that with? Is using android or Winmob?
JAguirre1231 said:
I won't say the obvious...
And they are dream/magic roms only
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And the obvious is what? you want a buy my phone?
I got a buyer but if you can out bid him its yours
hes offering $275 as is, rooted and loaded with apps, good body condition just usb door is missing.
EDIT: Oh and that includes the 8gig 6 class transcend sd card with a convertible home/car charger-$50 value
Klyentel said:
And the obvious is what? you want a buy my phone?
I got a buyer but if you can out bid him its yours
hes offering $275 as is, rooted and loaded with apps, good body condition just usb door is missing.
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And will I be able to flash roms like Super- D, and WG- Y on the Nexus?
Or are they Dream roms only?
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I think the bolded part was the obvious, correct me if i'm wrong though.
moved the thread to the general section, dont really see what this has to do with development
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htc legend? What company is that with? Is using android or Winmob?
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lol its HTC phone, I guess you didnt see this?
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From the roadmap of HTC, the Sony X10 is also nice.
http://gizmodo.com/5420164/htc-2010-product-roadmap-leak-legends-salsa-buzz
http://gizmodo.com/5425703/htc-lege...even-more-like-the-hero-than-we-first-thought
Ace42 said:
lol its HTC phone, I guess you didnt see this?
From the roadmap of HTC, the Sony X10 is also nice.
http://gizmodo.com/5420164/htc-2010-product-roadmap-leak-legends-salsa-buzz
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AWWW man....Dam, now I got reconsider again, that thing is nice, thanx for the info, dont know how I missed this, and I googled all the new phones, expecially tmobile.
JAguirre1231 said:
I won't say the obvious...
And they are dream/magic roms only
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Oh, I see, by obvious you met posting in the wrong place, oops,
my bad
I didn't know, see as that I did have a direct question to the developers I figured it should be in the dev section, cus honestly there are a lot of off topic threads there now....but oh well
The obvious has been fixed, no need to state it now. Good guess though
I'm waiting it out for a dual core snapdragon 1.5 more years on the contract anyway
JAguirre1231 said:
The obvious has been fixed, no need to state it now. Good guess though
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Yes I am aware it has been fixed
the other obvious is this is my thread I can state whatever I like
I made a mistake and I acknowledge it...thats all
no big deal,
if you are not going to post on topic dont post.
*Goes off to hurt small cute fluffy animals*
YOU Klyentel made me do that with the sheer lack of functional brain cells!!!
First question, I suppose you know this is the dream section? Just because you put dream in the title does not warrant its posting!
Second is the fact you state you know the rules but figured you would post because newbies do, warrants you to post the same b/s they do rather than set an example to help keep the place you come to for help a better community? That just makes me wanna slap you so hard your mother gets bruised!
Thirdly read point three of my signiture, it was designed for people like you
Klyentel said:
Yes I am aware it has been fixed
the other obvious is this is my thread I can state whatever I like
I made a mistake and I acknowledge it...thats all
no big deal,
if you are not going to post on topic dont post.
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Sorry, we posted the post where you noticed the obvious and my post at the same time.
Nevermind, it seems that I was just posting for a very long time.... or I went off the information on the front page instead of the second page. Anyways, sorry.
shadowch31 said:
*Goes off to hurt small cute fluffy animals*
YOU Klyentel made me do that with the sheer lack of functional brain cells!!!
First question, I suppose you know this is the dream section? Just because you put dream in the title does not warrant its posting!
Second is the fact you state you know the rules but figured you would post because newbies do, warrants you to post the same b/s they do rather than set an example to help keep the place you come to for help a better community? That just makes me wanna slap you so hard your mother gets bruised!
Thirdly read point three of my signiture, it was designed for people like you
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Why are you so angry?
you need a hug-
oh and by the way, if ever you did, in real life, have the nerve to slap me,
I would whip your *** (edited for language)
Now be happy
JAguirre1231 said:
Sorry, we posted the post where you noticed the obvious and my post at the same time.
Nevermind, it seems that I was just posting for a very long time.... or I went off the information on the front page instead of the second page. Anyways, sorry.
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apology accepted my friend
Not sure how much longer you plan on keeping your phone bug you should consider a skin cause i know im sick of the boring look.
Uniqueskins.com
http://www.zagg.com/zaggskins/index.php

What's Up with you guys and Kingklick?

Why is everyone disrespecting King? Why has he become such a major target?
Please don't flame the guy on this thread. I actually like his ROM's but I would love to see the other side of the spectrum.
If you do start flaming then I will have this thread closed. I just want information!
And maybe you guys don't care, in that case this all went to waste. But for the people who actually have sufficient reason to dislike his ROMs or him or both, please post why here because this is really curious..
I want you to take a look at the dev section....All of his threads are locked for some unknown reason...And people flame his because they are trolling..That is what people do when they have nothing better to do, they want to make themselves feel better.
This about sums up my problem with him. This is by no means proof that this is what he does, but from past accusations you can make your own judgement:
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Yeah I just saw that. that's the first time I ever saw that man..damn.
JAguirre1231 said:
This about sums up my problem with him. This is by no means proof that this is what he does, but from past accusations you can make your own judgement:
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lol I don't get what your trying to say =P im kind of slow at times.
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This about sums up my problem with him. This is by no means proof that this is what he does, but from past accusations you can make your own judgement:
Lol that's funny, but you have a point though. Sometimes after someone comes with something new, ex jubeh he makes his own ver with same bugs. I'm not saying anything bad just that's something ive noticed.
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lol I don't get what your trying to say =P im kind of slow at times.
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"Gonna go work on some Slide now"
"Now Viewing CR_Slide Official Development Thread"
Not exact quotes, but they say the same thing.
yeah I got it now...well ok so I get how that looks...
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yeah I got it now...well ok so I get how that looks...
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You know there's a saying back on my home country, "You play with fire, then fire burn you", but ever since i move to new country of america, now its, "You play with fire, firemen save You!". This new place is not the same like bhak home, it is not as nice but the technology is everywhere.
Well I don't know how those sayings apply here...I don't think he's been "playing with fire" and even if he has, well then it seems like he has a second skin because it hasn't burned him yet. The dude, in my opinion, is tough enough to be able to take such harsh criticism and still make those ROMs for people. I mean even if the ROMs have bugs in them, which ones don't? And if all this stuff about him using other ROMs is true, then why didn't you guys say anything immediately? I mean you don't have to take it so far as to close every thread but I think a simple warning would have sufficed.
But that's only if he did/does that..
That's just my view on the subject.
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Well I don't know how those sayings apply here...I don't think he's been "playing with fire" and even if he has, well then it seems like he has a second skin because it hasn't burned him yet. The dude, in my opinion, is tough enough to be able to take such harsh criticism and still make those ROMs for people. I mean even if the ROMs have bugs in them, which ones don't? And if all this stuff about him using other ROMs is true, then why didn't you guys say anything immediately? I mean you don't have to take it so far as to close every thread but I think a simple warning would have sufficed.
But that's only if he did/does that..
That's just my view on the subject.
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You see back in my home country we do things based on perseverance not relevance, it is tricky here in this new country of America.There are many bad men here, unlike bhak home where we handle problem like this:
We say is there a problem here?
They say yes there problem
Then they fhite it out till one wins, but here in my new home country of america the government people are also bad men, they say economy is bhad, but i see they wase much money. /s
Also I agree with you, it doesn't make sense to lock all of his threads..it will push other ones away.
I don't see the problem.
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I don't see the problem.
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Just like causin used to say, "when you go lookin four trouble, then trouble fine you". I sure do miss those olde times, it's not the same anymore . Dhere may bee know problem but don't worry, dhere's nothing to worry about.
Just like olde friend used to tell me bhak in my country.
Just about every, if not all, of the ROMs produced by kingklick are ripoffs from another ROM. The most he will do is add some new gapps, mess around with the build.prop, zip it up and call it his own and beg for donations.
It's been proven on numerous occasions by comparing md5sums of every file in his ROM against another's ROM (which was out first). Guess what? They match! His argument is that we are building the same source, of course they will match! Sounds logical to the day to day user, but the truth is that would never happen, unless by chance kingklick and the other developer were building on the exact same machine.
My $0.02
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Just about every, if not all, of the ROMs produced by kingklick are ripoffs from another ROM. The most he will do is add some new gapps, mess around with the build.prop, zip it up and call it his own and beg for donations.
It's been proven on numerous occasions by comparing md5sums of every file in his ROM against another's ROM (which was out first). Guess what? They match! His argument is that we are building the same source, of course they will match! Sounds logical to the day to day user, but the truth is that would never happen, unless by chance kingklick and the other developer were building on the exact same machine.
My $0.02
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Correct, the MD5 sums would not match even if the code was compiled from the exact same source.
For fun, lets give this guy the benefit of the doubt: Suppose that hypothetically he's right and the reason that the MD5 sums match is that hes' compiled the same code. What's concerning here is the HUGE percentage of files that he's not changed.
We're back at square one, that he simply renames another ROM and calls it his own.
Thats the worse part about it, charging for work thats not even his.
If you were the REAL developer I bet you would be mad.
Think about it, its like someone taking credit putting your work out there again and essentially stealing it.... all of it your blood, sweat, time and countless hours of changes until satisfied.
Im amazed more people are not pissed off about this.
Hmm...then who's Blur ROM did he steal? He's one of the only devs I knew that was working on it for the G1 and now the Nexus.
But regardless, his md5sum line doesn't make any sense and it's odd that he'ld use it on xda out of all places. Him looking at a Slide thread a minute later is funny, but not any concrete piece of evidence. However it's the md5sums being the same that doesn't make sense. Even if he got the same md5sum somehow, how is it a different ROM if the vast majority of files are unchanged. I guess the question then is how many files differ between ROMs typically?
Disappointing...
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I guess the question then is how many files differ between ROMs typically?
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There isnt a typical answer for that question. The number of files whose md5sums differ is going to be entirely dependent on how many files have been changed. So for someone compiling their own rom completely from source, as kingklick said he did, every single file would be different.
The more common scenario is if you have two people making roms and adding in bits of their own flavor. In that case, they could be using many of the same files and changing only what they wish. But generally, people who do that state what they did and dont try to lie through their teeth about it by claiming that the rom is entirely their own work.
the main point of all the 'drama' surrounding this is that this isnt the first time this has happened with him. he has had previous occasions where it has been definitively proven that he stole other people's work, branded it as his own and then used it to garner donations for himself. ctso's work was one of the instances in which kingklick did so.
god only knows how many people he duped into donating money to him by allowing them to think that it was his hard work that turned out the rom. it's deceitful. legal circles call it fraud. unfortunately there is no law regarding whats going on here, so the worst that will happen to him is that his roms get pulled and he gets banned.
where do you thing the word #kang comes from
the main problem started a few months back eugene and cyanogen posted roms then king posted saying he had fixed problems.
eugene and cyanogen looked for some hidden text they put in there and they found it everytime in kings so called fixes all eugene and cyanogen wanted was some respect for fixing but king kept saying he had fixed it
so many times he was caught
also he said eugene faked his own house being robbed and phones and pc being stolen
so all people want is respect for thinks they have fixed
It is the donation thing that riles people up. He was gone from this community for some time and then hacked up a fur ball of a froyo rom. His developing skills may be questionable but his marketing skills are unparalleled.

[Photos,May be Ridiculous]SE knows nothing about Z&J's work

WHAT YOU GUYS WHO GAVE NEGATIVE COMMENTS HAVE DONE SO FAR?
AT LEAST I HAVE TRIED TO BE A 5-YEARS-OLD KIT TO TELL SE MY WISH.
Hi all,
Few days ago,I left a comment on the SE product blog,realating to the "8mb file" on the SE developers.com and a SE support engineer emailed me and it probably shows that SE KNOWS NOTHING OF OUR CUSTOM ROM??
Perhaps he is pretending.....
Here is the email and my reply and I am trying to persuade SE releasing the bootloader.
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Cheers,
L(Speak_Now)
Edit:Rechecked the email and no part is missing.If you like these photos,just press the "Thank you" button.
Great. Those sony ericsson bestards have to give us froyo!
a2ha said:
Great. Those sony ericsson bestards have to give us froyo!
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by calling them bastards, you think you deserve it? I think not. -_-
anyway, laill, I'd advise you to stop wasting your efforts. They won't support hackers. I'd rather you send an email to EEG to bring Twins back =X
loneLEE said:
by calling them bastards, you think you deserve it? I think not. -_-
anyway, laill, I'd advise you to stop wasting your efforts. They won't support hackers. I'd rather you send an email to EEG to bring Twins back =X
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On behalf of some considerations ,it might be good for them to support devs cuz what z,j and other devs doing is ,in certain point of view,elongating the life span of their product,they can just save money to elongate the life by releasing the RSA key
regards,
L(Speak_Now)
Editersonally I will call z and j devs rather than hackers...
The only thing I need to be 100% happy with my X10 is the bootloader cracked to have a kernel which allows overclocking (at least for the moment I only need that xD)
Flo95 said:
The only thing I need to be 100% happy with my X10 is the bootloader cracked to have a kernel which allows overclocking (at least for the moment I only need that xD)
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+1
same here.
*sigh...and you'd expect them to give you a bootloader that contradicts company policy out of all that....good luck
Well he's definitely going to think twice about what he replies (if he even replies) now that you've posted his email for the whole world to see... you should have waited for his reply first
Ummm...you were sent an email because they thought you were a dev and wanted to give some light dev support; not read you rant about our gripes with SE. The enlarged bolded red font also makes you look like an immature idiot. Would it have killed you just to answer the questions?
Btw. TAKE OUT HIS FREAKING EMAIL ADDRESS. Seriously, wtf man.
Oh wow and not only that you specifically name people at xda developers andxda-developers as an entitt. that really makes us look mature so sony ericsson
Well done youve just helped this sight lose some of credibility
I'll be honest here, I wouldn't bother to answer your email if I were him. First of all your email shows the immaturity of your writing. Second of all, you are asking the wrong questions to the wrong guy. He is just a support engineer who took the time and tried to help you with your question ( the first one only ), he doesn't know about SE future plans, even if he does, do you think that he is stupid enough to give you answers so you can come here and expose them?
Come on get serious man
This is so stupid man... how old are you? like 5 yrs old? Come on..
Can somebody please delete this embarrassing thread!
+1 on the delete thread request. I see that the original poster has hidden his email address from the pictures of the email, but has not afforded the same courtesy to the SE Dev who was going out of his way to try to help.
skynet77 said:
This is so stupid man... how old are you? like 5 yrs old? Come on..
Can somebody please delete this embarrassing thread!
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I think a 5yo kid has more common sense than this guy.
and yes,delete this thread
kalel29 said:
I think a 5yo kid has more common sense than this guy.
and yes,delete this thread
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Fully, as a user in the community not even a dev of XDA, I'm embarrassed reading this.
will.m said:
Ummm...you were sent an email because they thought you were a dev and wanted to give some light dev support; not read you rant about our gripes with SE. The enlarged bolded red font also makes you look like an immature idiot. Would it have killed you just to answer the questions?
Btw. TAKE OUT HIS FREAKING EMAIL ADDRESS. Seriously, wtf man.
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If my word works,even the chance is small,I don't mind to be a immature idiot this time.
I know my words,especially the red words,look like words from 5 years old kid,but does it matter or what?
skynet77 said:
This is so stupid man... how old are you? like 5 yrs old? Come on..
Can somebody please delete this embarrassing thread!
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All I want, as SE's fan,is to get some information and to tell something SE reflecting some opinions here and really hope them can do better,NOT JUST FOR ARC BUT ALSO FOR X10.
Tell me your wish,DO YOU GUYS WANT THE BOOTLOADER?
WHAT YOU GUYS WHO GAVE NEGATIVE COMMENTS HAVE DONE SO FAR?
AT LEAST I HAVE TRIED TO BE A 5-YEARS-OLD KIT TO TELL SE MY WISH.
If you don't like it,fine.Originally I just want to share the news that they might not know what our devs are doing and all of you concern of my reply.
Like I told you, it won't work.
Anyway, for your future's sake, when you need to send a formal mail to make enquiries or requests from anyone, PLEASE USE YOUR REAL NAME. Anonymity using codenames/nicknames like Speak_Now won't let the other party take you seriously.
You're not a member of the X-Man. Nor from the Avengers. Neither are you from the Justice League. So use your real name.
Please don't be the next Edison Chen and embarras Hong Kong's name to the world again. -_-
I'm surprised this thread is still open.
Pilot usually closes every negative SE thread in record time.
laill said:
Tell me your wish,DO YOU GUYS WANT THE BOOTLOADER?
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Nope, I don't wanna hack my phone.
And my wish is for kids like you to be contented with 2.1 and stop all this nonsense.
You better work on your grammar if intend on getting into college. As for your hopes of this working...thanks to disrespectful immature pinheads moves like this, SE probably has adopted a "Never negotiate with terrorist policy". What was your intention when posting this? You didn't even wait for his answer. All I see here is a dumb kid trying to show off what little knowledge he has. Why would you attempt to embarrass this developer when his only mistake was having the professional courtesy to answer your question in the first place? I know what I'd do if I was him. I'd call your parents and ask them to teach you some manners.

The neverending story....

Some of you know me, some don't. I'm more active trough PM then trough posting. But this is something that is bother me for a while and I think a lot of us.
And it can't be done trough PM, believe me, i have tried....
We all (if we are fair) know that the x10 is old mobile. And the most of us don't use a mobile longer than 2 years. So why o why read I so many post of people that are complaining about a update from a dev. Let them move on and give new dev's a chance
My personal top 3 irritations!!!!!
1) if you can't do it yourself, be grateful for everything they do for us and don't complain!!!
2) if we (the users) get a new mobile, how many people still stick to the x10 treads? So why expect a lot of people that the dev's must stick to the X10 forum and development further!!!
3) if a dev don't post for a while, don't post non related post in a DEVELOPMENT TREAD and complain about a update!!!
I have talk with a lot of members trough a personal message and told them about the post they have placed. But I think its a neverending story.
I think when the Mods are more harsher and give quicker a warning and ban people, then maybe people think twice what they post. I know that the mods help xda in their spare time and do all they can. But when you make a couple statements, the word get spread and maybe maybe this will work!
thanks for listening to my complaint
Even though i bought a Galaxy Note, i still read the first page of the General/Dev/Q&A section of the X10 forum daily.
You are right about people complaining to developers for updates, but that's just the way it is. It doesn't have to disturb you, or anyone. Most people ignore these types of begging posts anyway.
My experience in forums showed that having strict moderation won't do a thing. It will only lead to more drama. I know you feel you have to do something about this, but believe me its better if you relax and don't do anything at all. The mods know their job and doing the best they can. Talking to individuals via PM's and trying to explain why they shouldn't do this and that is not only time consuming, but as you can see, it lead you being frustrated enough to start this thread.
This thread will be read by (lets say) 1000, will be replied by 10-20, some may agree, some may not. It then will crawl it's way on the bottom of the page until a similar thread pops up. (There, just saved you some time )
Bottom line is, it's the interwebz. Don't get too attached.
But he is right though
Sent from my X10a using xda premium
RANT AHEAD!
Unfortunately, you are right. People feel its a right they possess to get the developer to work non stop for them. Things in the x10 forums are still relatively mild though... In the atrix forum, the CM7 thread had to be closed for a period of time due to people complaining and demanding for fixes. And the "thx" posts. Here's a classic example
sx4 said:
all i want to know when moto atrix is getting ics.i also have sgs captivate and it is running on ics port and woking very well.so i also want to have ics on this phone also.pls do it quickly
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I like the x10 forums, things are usually more peaceful and people more helpful here.
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RANT AHEAD!
I like the x10 forums, things are usually more peaceful and people more helpful here.
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lol, before this thread gets closed i would love to point out that we have had our moments here, we can mix it with the big boys
I have given up with my classic posts of
1. use search next time
2. rule number 1 is not to ask for an eta
3. read the OP
4. why dont you make a backup and try it yourself
its just not worth the ware and tear of my keyboard to make them anymore....
but, we were all noobs once, a bit of tolerance is should be given
im totally agree with you,but hey,you cant fight fire with fire,that just leads to your "never ending story"
Hi,
This is my defense, take this thread in the X10 forum...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1356580
I have just counted 93 posts deleted by moderators and with the warnings posted, about a dozen took vacations for ignoring the developer and moderators warning of being a Dev only thread. Just because you do not see warnings posted everywhere does not mean nothing is being done, most problems can be sorted out using the new infraction system, we use that all the time now, it is easy to use and straight to the point.
This type of thread cleaning and response is happening all the time, reported posts are dealt with much faster and if anybody needs banning, senior mods are available on gtalk to sort it out immediately.
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Hi,
This is my defense, take this thread in the X10 forum...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1356580
I have just counted 93 posts deleted by moderators and with the warnings posted, about a dozen took vacations for ignoring the developer and moderators warning of being a Dev only thread. Just because you do not see warnings posted everywhere does not mean nothing is being done, most problems can be sorted out using the new infraction system, we use that all the time now, it is easy to use and straight to the point.
This type of thread cleaning and response is happening all the time, reported posts are dealt with much faster and if anybody needs banning, senior mods are available on gtalk to sort it out immediately.
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Couldnt have said it better myself good man, just cause we dont get them all doesn't mean we arent trying. and according to some members here im a very harsh mod. however i do what i have to
Cool story bro
-PiLoT- said:
Couldnt have said it better myself good man, just cause we dont get them all doesn't mean we arent trying. and according to some members here im a very harsh mod. however i do what i have to
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You harsh, Nah. (I do however get the feeling it was you that closed my first thread posted here.) But having an Avatar that is a Happy Face , with a "Heidelberg Scar" doesn't really convoy a feeling of warm, fuzzy comfort to people. More like good mod / bad mod and Colossus= good mod; he even warns people in a very nice polite way. But temporarily freezing threads seems to be doing a great job of allowing the tensions to diffuse. Kudos for that.
tal333
-PiLoT- said:
Couldnt have said it better myself good man, just cause we dont get them all doesn't mean we arent trying. and according to some members here im a very harsh mod. however i do what i have to
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I actually don't think you're a harsh mod at all...
just blunt and to the point.
Also hilarious, even when it is aimed at me lol
pilot is harsh..;lol////
i feel like a virgin untill i have my first infraction...so pilot...give it me hard!
gregbradley said:
pilot is harsh..;lol////
i feel like a virgin untill i have my first infraction...so pilot...give it me hard!
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he is going to pop your infraction cherry
scoobysnacks said:
he is going to pop your infraction cherry
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bet he doesnt
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no balls
hopefully he'll be gentle
scoobysnacks said:
hopefully he'll be gentle
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not like last time....
I didn't walk right for a week
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I didn't walk right for a week
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When i said give it to me i didnt mean that!!!!
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when I got my first infraction, I couldn't walk right because.... I was so upset so I wasn't paying attention to where I was going?
What did you guys think I meant? geez

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