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Gday TyTN folk.
I have an iMate PDA2k and am thinking of moving to TyTN, but being a bit frustrated with my current unit I'd like to know whether TyTN makes a better phone than BA does.
My specific botherments are:
- notification light (green/red/orange) where the functions over-ride each other. e.g. if I miss a call while its charging, it starts flashing red, but then it completes charging and goes green. Actually, even if it's not charging it seems to stop flashing red after a while. I want it to keep flashing red until I actually handle the device and should have noticed.
To me it makes more sense to combine the bluetooth light with the charge light, and leave the phone notification as a separate item.
- notification icon space in start bar. Currently it's ALWAYS showing a multi-message bubble icon (I'm always in CDMA 1x coverage, and also have an app running that puts its own notification icon up) so I don't see a new one for SMS or voice message. It looks like the best answer might actually be a 3rd party start-bar app, but still.. is it any better under WM5?
- waking up. Incoming calls, messages, and bluetooth connections, wake up the device completely. If it's in the pouch, or worse, in my pocket, the screen then gets bumped, thereby performing actions I don't want to. Even getting it out of my pocket without bumping the screen is a challenge. I tried setting an unlock password (some time ago) but that wasn't satisfactory; I don't remember whether the screen still unlocked on incoming calls, or if unlocking was too much a nuisance.
Ideally, it should wake up enough so that the firm hardware buttons are unlocked but the screen isn't active until you've used a button.
The voice-recording button used to annoy me with accidental presses when removing from pouch; I changed that button to do screen rotate which I find more useful, and no big deal when pushed accidentally - just push it again.
- Sound quality, especially for the person on the other end of a call. I've had people tell me I'm faint on the iMate. Positioning is a little interesting as I don't really want to rub my face all over the screen. Does the TyTN pick up any better?
- turning the phone off. (Like Windows' contradictory "click start to shut down") I really don't like the fiddly actions required to "turn on flight mode" on pda2k, especially when I don't want to get out the stylus. People with normal mobile phones can turn them completely off using one hardware button, and they don't have to look hard to see whether it's on or off. Some have mentioned wanting an easy way to switch to/from silent mode.
Is there a quick, sensible, easy way to turn the phone on and off, preferably also to/from silent?
Thanks
gregnash said:
- notification icon space in start bar. Currently it's ALWAYS showing a multi-message bubble icon (I'm always in CDMA 1x coverage, and also have an app running that puts its own notification icon up) so I don't see a new one for SMS or voice message. It looks like the best answer might actually be a 3rd party start-bar app, but still.. is it any better under WM5?
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First a corresponding icon (envelope, phone), after more notifications, you get a bubble (?). Not a bubble all the time.
gregnash said:
- turning the phone off. (Like Windows' contradictory "click start to shut down") I really don't like the fiddly actions required to "turn on flight mode" on pda2k, especially when I don't want to get out the stylus. People with normal mobile phones can turn them completely off using one hardware button, and they don't have to look hard to see whether it's on or off. Some have mentioned wanting an easy way to switch to/from silent mode.
Is there a quick, sensible, easy way to turn the phone on and off, preferably also to/from silent?
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One hardware button for standby, hold it to turn the device off completely. You get a window where you can just hit the d-pad button.
There's also a button for comm-manager, there you can select silent/vibrate mode and flight mode.
Hi, you speak of not wanting to rub your face on the screen, I actually use my TyTN in speaker phone mode to prevent this, I just quickly enable speaker on a call, and flip the phone to where the back is by my face, it puts the speaker in a good spot also, I know it sounds a bit weird, bit works pretty well.
Granted I don't do this with every call, mostly I use it when I know the call is gonna last for more than a few minutes.
notifications, buttons
TiMMah!!! said:
First a corresponding icon (envelope, phone), after more notifications, you get a bubble (?). Not a bubble all the time.
One hardware button for standby, hold it to turn the device off completely. You get a window where you can just hit the d-pad button.
There's also a button for comm-manager, there you can select silent/vibrate mode and flight mode.
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You're right about the notification icon, but if I was watching the screen at the time of the additional notify then I'd already know what's there and wouldn't need the icon. On the pda2k cdma, being in a 1x coverage area generates a notification, plus mNotes puts one, so there's a bubble even before I receive any sms, voicemail etc. Combine that with the behaviour of the flashing light, it means if I missed something I may not know about it unless I go looking.
Thanks re the hardware button, that's good news.
face-rubbing
ChaoticDruid said:
Hi, you speak of not wanting to rub your face on the screen, I actually use my TyTN in speaker phone mode to prevent this, I just quickly enable speaker on a call, and flip the phone to where the back is by my face, it puts the speaker in a good spot also, I know it sounds a bit weird, bit works pretty well.
Granted I don't do this with every call, mostly I use it when I know the call is gonna last for more than a few minutes.
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Creative! I'll remember that one..
Sounds like you should check out PhoneAlarm
To all good developers out there.
I (we) need a DeviceLock Application for the Touch Diamond cause existing lock APPs are to buggy for the Diamond. One is extremly draining the battery and dont lock all hardware keys another one lock all keys but slows down the device that the incoming call is not shown.
I am searching for a simple application that locks the device after I press the power button and unlock it by a slide to right on the TouchScreen. Same if a call is incoming.
Not more!!! A simple lock without additional features. Is there a way that anyone can develop this?????
What about the standard device lock that comes with WM?
You can also activate a today plugin for it, so on your today screen you press on the lock and your device is locked and the screen light is dimmed down and after some more time shut off.
Or you press the power button, then the device is locked and the screen light is immediately shut off.
To unlock you only need to press two buttons on the screen.
To unlock you can also press the power button to turn on the device and then pull out the stylus, no need to press the screen because with these two actions the device is also unlocked.
What's wrong about the standard WM device lock?
standard WM device lock is stupid! it is very difficult to unlock device in daylight. Gray button on gray background and dim backlight... what can be worst?
If anyone know how to change colors in that screen - it would be great!
pathologo said:
What about the standard device lock that comes with WM?
You can also activate a today plugin for it, so on your today screen you press on the lock and your device is locked and the screen light is dimmed down and after some more time shut off.
Or you press the power button, then the device is locked and the screen light is immediately shut off.
To unlock you only need to press two buttons on the screen.
To unlock you can also press the power button to turn on the device and then pull out the stylus, no need to press the screen because with these two actions the device is also unlocked.
What's wrong about the standard WM device lock?
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You now that the internal Device Lock not work if you get a call???
Alexx_B said:
it is very difficult to unlock device in daylight. Gray button on gray background and dim backlight... what can be worst?
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That's true! I forgot that, although I encountered that myself today.
Alexx_B said:
it is very difficult to unlock device in daylight. Gray button on gray background and dim backlight... what can be worst?
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That's true! I forgot that, although I encountered that myself today.
Atze001 said:
You now that the internal Device Lock not work if you get a call???
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Ok, that's a point. The screen is unlocked and things could happen unintentionally.
There is a thread about this, with some idea, but I think there is no good solution yet for this issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414731
try this
Hi all
have you try Throttlelocker ?
i have install on my Diamond and it run good. light version, no battery problem, skinnable........
i think can be a good compromise.
main point: Throttlelocker can totally lock the device.
problem: you need to turn device in suspend mode manually. since now i have not found a way to use it under the backlight.
ciao
I personally use S2U2, it works perfectly on the Diamond and is fairly easy to unlock. The Slide 2 Answer feature is pretty good too - stopps you accidentally answering calls.
poedgirl said:
I personally use S2U2, it works perfectly on the Diamond and is fairly easy to unlock. The Slide 2 Answer feature is pretty good too - stopps you accidentally answering calls.
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Which version did you use? I tested the 3 last versions and have extrem battery drain and the "home"-key is not locked.
giangishanghai said:
Hi all
have you try Throttlelocker ?
i have install on my Diamond and it run good. light version, no battery problem, skinnable........
i think can be a good compromise.
main point: Throttlelocker can totally lock the device.
problem: you need to turn device in suspend mode manually. since now i have not found a way to use it under the backlight.
ciao
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Did throttlelocker lock the phone on incoming calls?
Atze001 said:
Did throttlelocker lock the phone on incoming calls?
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when a call is coming you ll see the wm incoming call screen, if you dont reply phone turn to lock.
ciao
Atze001 said:
Which version did you use? I tested the 3 last versions and have extrem battery drain and the "home"-key is not locked.
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infact on Diamond S2U2 dont lock the home button, and battery slow down very very fast, expecially last version.
with S2U2 battery life is less than one day (medium device usage)
with Throttlelocker battery life is more than 2 days (medium usage too)
due to the fact that diamond have little (big!) batteryproblem, for me better to use Throttlelocker.
ciao
here is mine........
giangishanghai said:
when a call is coming you ll see the wm incoming call screen, if you dont reply phone turn to lock.
ciao
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And that is the problem. At work I carry my phone in my pocket and if I get a call and dont recognize them my phone answer the call. That is the reason I want a lock software that locks on calls although.
Atze001 said:
And that is the problem. At work I carry my phone in my pocket and if I get a call and dont recognize them my phone answer the call. That is the reason I want a lock software that locks on calls although.
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maybe i have not got your meaning.........what means "my phone answer the call" ?
by the way i have not this problem.
hope you can solve yours!!!!!!
ciao
I use this which I think is simply put the best autolock for windows mobile. Customizable actions, my advice, keep it simple.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=386451&highlight=autolock
giangishanghai said:
maybe i have not got your meaning.........what means "my phone answer the call" ?
by the way i have not this problem.
hope you can solve yours!!!!!!
ciao
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I mean if my phone is in my pants pocket and I got an incoming call and dont notice that. Then it often happend that I touch the phone or if I pull it out of the pocket I touch on the red button.
zmob123 said:
I use this which I think is simply put the best autolock for windows mobile. Customizable actions, my advice, keep it simple.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=386451&highlight=autolock
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I know this but it doesn´t run without errors on Touch Diamond. See my post in this thread.
[APP] SensorLock
Hi Atze001,
try to have a look at Sensor lock, (Themes, Applications and Software , http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=422871).
maybe this app. can solve your problem.
ciao
I haven't noticed any battery problems when using S2U2 on my diamond. Every time I put my phone down, i invoke S2U2 (I have it mapped to the long press call button - never automatically, maybe this has something to do with it).
I can normally go about 3-4 days on a single charge while S2U2 is running when I'm not using it.
The version I'm using is 1.18, but I'm going to update it soon.
So, I have PocketShield installed and it's set to slide or light unlock and answer. Quite often when I get a call it takes so long to unlock and answer, the person is gone...
There are maybe a few options -
1) I've installed and uninstalled so much stuff, maybe I need to start fresh? I have noticed the HD is a little 'laggy' now. Should I hard reset and install things back on slowely, testing it's responsiveness as I go?
2) Maybe I should switch to S2U2? I used this for a long time on my Kaiser, but have been concerned by everyone saying it drains battery power.
3) Do I need a screen lock program? The device only wakes up on a phone call and now you have a slide to answer/ignore anyway. Do the hardware keys do anything at this point? Am I safe to carry it round in my case without a screen lock?
Does anyone else suffer from this, or just me?
Thanks for any help/advice in advance.
Having the same issue. Sometimes my slide option simply doesn't work first few attempts. My solution is to use the "answer call" key beneath the main screen until this gets resolved.
S2U2 works like a charm on the HD and it doesn't draw additional battery as far as I have seen over the past few days.
When u have a call, u don't need to slide so you unlock the device then accept/reject the call.
Depends on what you have set, you can either have the original accepting/rejecting HTC screen poping up to take/reject your calls,
or you can set it so u have a new slider appearing on the wallpaper of S2U2 to accept/reject the calls
Try it, you won't regret it guys.
Well, yesterday I hard reset my HD and installed just the stuff I wanted. I've gone back to S2U2 and everything seems much much better so far. The only annoying thing is sometimes the phone wakes in landscape mode still, even though it's set to not rotate in Gyrator (and doesn't when it's woken, it stays in whatever it is in.)
Whats the difference between S2U2 and the phones default slide to answer phone ?
In other words, why install S2U2?
Its a very well presented Screen Lock, that's why. The question is just how to go from that to answering a call...
Id I have S2U2 installed, and a call comes in on my HD, what happens? does s2u2 take over from the default "slide to answer" system?
Yes it does. I think the problem I had was it wasn't doing that properly before hand. They were obviously conflicting with each other and I was struggling to answer calls.
gt112 said:
Whats the difference between S2U2 and the phones default slide to answer phone ?
In other words, why install S2U2?
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Well S2U2 will lock your phone screen and buttons so you do not start by mistake an application or a phone call when the device is in your pocket.
Even if by mistake u click on the power on button, ur device is still locked until u unlock it using a slider like on the i-phone.
It allows u to display a wallpaper of your choice, different then the one on your today screen or in TF3D. It allows u to display clock date, network signal, tasks, missed calls, SMS, etc ...
Try it, it's free and very nicely designed
I tried to use S2U2 and found that just like every other locker it is behaving wrongly after a call - it leaves the device unlocked! So if I listen to music and get a phone call I'll have to pull it out of the pocket to lock again. There is a silly option to lock after each call of course, but this is just stupid - I just want the device to stay locked until I unlock it - how difficult is this?
Funnily, the only locker behaving properly is the stock Windows one, but it has a backlight bug and switches the device to Home screen.
It's just amazing how nobody can do such a basic function right.
vangrieg said:
I tried to use S2U2 and found that just like every other locker it is behaving wrongly after a call - it leaves the device unlocked! So if I listen to music and get a phone call I'll have to pull it out of the pocket to lock again. There is a silly option to lock after each call of course, but this is just stupid - I just want the device to stay locked until I unlock it - how difficult is this?
Funnily, the only locker behaving properly is the stock Windows one, but it has a backlight bug and switches the device to Home screen.
It's just amazing how nobody can do such a basic function right.
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Just tried it few seconds before posting, called myself from the office phone, answered the call using the slider is S2U2, the screen turned off, I ended the call by pressing on the end call button on my HTC touch HD, and the S2U2 screen lock was there, the device was still locked.
It works perfectly with the touch HD.
hello xda community
i'm very new to the blackstone and this is my first post here. so please bear with me if i'm asking very basic questions here.
my problem:
i carry my blackstone in my pocket all the time. and many people told me throughout the last days that they called me and that i picked up the call by accident.
since i work at customer sites mostly my phone is muted. so people call me and somehow i pickup the calls while the phone is in my pocket.
i always turn of the screen and i have the automatic lock (password protection) enabled. still when the incoming call screen comes up it looks like it is possible that calls are being picked up.
i know there is the slide which has to be moved to the left in order to pickup calls.
i have tried myself by calling my from my home phone and touching the screen and the buttons at random. and indeed the calls are being picked up. i was not able to find out how this is happening ... but it does.
so is there any setting i can change or any additional piece of software i can install to make sure calls are only answered when i want?
possible a reg key i need to change?
any help is very much appreciated
cheers
This isn't just a problem with the Blackstone; every WM phone I have had does this. I have found that a good locking program handles this quie well. I personally like S2U2 by A_C, but there are many others available. You can look in the apps forum, or check the development & hacking forum from the main menu.
The other thing to check is that you have all your notifcations set properly. I set all of mine to vibrate only. Many of them turn on the screen by default. Unfortunately this won't fix the problem on its' own though.
mwelch16 ... thank you very much for the reply
i will give it a try and see how it works for me.
so that means first of all i will have to slide that iphone type of lock and then take the call by using the regular slider?
is there any other way (without) an additional piece of software to handle this? cause after all there is the build in slider ... but somehow it's not working as it is supposed to. any enhancement to that?
thanks again
Is there a way how to disable the CALL PICKUP button which is on the left? so the first of the four buttons?
I think it's because it getting pressed while my phone is in the pocket.
thanks a lot
I use Pocket Shield - it's not free (free to try though) but it's worked well for me
tibor78 said:
mwelch16 ... thank you very much for the reply
i will give it a try and see how it works for me.
so that means first of all i will have to slide that iphone type of lock and then take the call by using the regular slider?
is there any other way (without) an additional piece of software to handle this? cause after all there is the build in slider ... but somehow it's not working as it is supposed to. any enhancement to that?
thanks again
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No, S2U2 will unlock itself for a phone call and then lock the phone again after the call. So no need to slide to unlock and then answer your phone. It has a bunch of different settings, and yes I believe it locks the hard buttons.
thanks folks for the replies
i found all the settings i was looking for in the S2U2 options. so i'm good right now.
thanks again
You're probably answering the call by pressing the "phone" button (the very left of the four buttons on the bottom). You can either use those buttons to answer/hang up, or the on screen slider.
I've used AE Button Plus to disable the 'Answer' and 'End' hardware keys and re-mapped them to turn wifi and bluetooth off and on. This way there is no chance of hanging up on a call by mistake since you need to use the slide to answer on screen.
Similar but opposite problem
I'm having a problem along the same lines. If I get a call when the phone is in my pocket and answer it on my bluetooth headset, when the call ends the phone then rings someone else, usually the same person who is at the top of my contacts list. Not only is this damned annoying for me, it's getting a bit tedious for the person getting the unwanted calls.
Is there any way to get the phone to immediately lock as soon as a call terminates to prevent this happening? I'm assuming that once the call ends and it returns to the default contact/dial pad screen, the merest brush against the screen will be enough to start a new call.
I'm beginning to think I should have stuck with my iPhone
CreepinJesus said:
You're probably answering the call by pressing the "phone" button (the very left of the four buttons on the bottom). You can either use those buttons to answer/hang up, or the on screen slider.
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I've the exact same problem, 3/4 of the incoming calls rejected when I get the phone out of my pocket due to End button accidentally pressed.
What did they thought when they implement the slide to answer ????
The purpose of the slide to answer is to avoid such accident, but why the hell did they keep the Answer / End buttons active ????? total non sense to me.
Will check if this AE Button + app can solve this annoying behaviour.
has anyone tried Lockmelite?
It may help - haven't used it myself though.
x 2 for PocketShield. It uses the light sensor in your phone to prevent the touchscreen from activating when the device is inside, say, a pouch, or in your pocket.
I'm using evaluation version 2.6.2.10, which as I understand it, has full functionality, except that every now and then, randomly (and IMO infrequently enough to not be annoying) before unlocking it displays a 10 second message saying that you're using an evaluation version. Note that this *never* happens during an incoming phone call. Good stuff.
Hi,
Try TouchLockPro :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444215
Now it handle light unlock in any cases, that as solved all my issues (pocket, in cas BT,...) and fulfill all my requirements.
BR
Pocket Shield doing perfect job for me
I use AE Buttons Plus to disable the "Answer" & "End" virtual buttons. Then I used iconsoft Phonext to handle all my calling functionalities. When a call comes in, Phonext display a lock screen which you have to slide before it presents you with all the options like answer, decline, silence etc.
This way, I never accidentally pickup a call or dial a number.
Hi all,
The proximity function makes the screen go blank during a phone call. But if somebody sends you an SMS, the screen wakes up nonetheless during the call. At that time, your ear can easily press the red button that drops the call.
Has anybody a solution for this behavior?
regards, Rene
I don't know if this will make any difference, but it's the first thing that springs to mind. There's a setting in BsB Tweaks for "SMS Wake Up". If you ensure that that is disabled, it may stop the phone waking up when you get an SMS.
This obviously means that it would never wake up when you get an SMS, so there may be a trade-off there. Depends what you want overall.
Hope this helps
hold on a sec... what sort of trade off You are talking about?? this option means, that incoming sms won't turn on Your screen and wake up the device, but it is still delivered instantly and You can hear it's notification. imho it is a great tweak, a real must do.
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hold on a sec... what sort of trade off You are talking about?? this option means, that incoming sms won't turn on Your screen and wake up the device, but it is still delivered instantly and You can hear it's notification. imho it is a great tweak, a real must do.
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To be honest, I'm not sure, but I believe that's what it is, yes. BUT, I thought it was turned off by default. Maybe check in BsB Tweaks the state of that setting.