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Hi there!
Just got my first "Hero only" phonebill after getting the device and I must say I'm pretty shocked. It was 3 times normal!
I have only used Facebook INTERMITTANTLY and not logged in under the "Social" function. Twitter has been off. I haven't used email yet. I have only used Android Market under wifi and my only real usage has been various news sites with iPhone adapted webpages.
The only thing I can tell that's "on" has been the weather.
So I installed 3G Watchdog to monitor the usage and this is what I found out:
- In a twelve hour window with
- No Browser usage, no Facebook/Twitter/Flickr/Market
- Setting for Google has been "Enable background data usage" but not Auto-sync
- No Exchange usage or email
- Enable always on mobile has been activated
- No other internet function is activated as I can tell
- This has resulted in 610kb if data usage, that's 1.2mb in 24hrs
- That's 36MB a month, 436mb a year (and I pay per mb)
To me, this is "data out the widow" which I havent used, but the Phone has somehow "eaten" up.
I feel as though I havent got much control over how and when the Hero used data, the settings are not "clear" in the Android/Hero settings on administrating data usage. In my instance, it uses data without me needing it.
Is there any way to monitor WHICH program or function uses data without need? Ie. something like 3G Watchdog but more detailed?
there is net-counter.. but its familiar to 3g watchdog..
Android phones, and phones like them (e.g.iPhone) are really not designed to be used with "pay per MB" plan. I couldn't tell you what processes are going to be "consuming" data, but I'd consider 1.2MB to be pretty insignificant, though I understand that if you're paying by the MB your opinion would be significantly different.
I know it's probably not much help, but if I were you, since you are not using any of the "push" facilities of the device (e.g. GMail) I'd be inclined to switch off mobile internet and only switch it on as you need it.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
Android phones, and phones like them (e.g.iPhone) are really not designed to be used with "pay per MB" plan. I couldn't tell you what processes are going to be "consuming" data, but I'd consider 1.2MB to be pretty insignificant, though I understand that if you're paying by the MB your opinion would be significantly different.
I know it's probably not much help, but if I were you, since you are not using any of the "push" facilities of the device (e.g. GMail) I'd be inclined to switch off mobile internet and only switch it on as you need it.
Regards,
Dave
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Good advise there for you. 1.2Mb is very little though in the big scheme of things. Its about a minute of a typical MP3 or less than the capacity of a floppy disk (if you remember those).
The phone is designed to be used with an unlimited data plan - its a cloud based phone really.
As an aside, I do think these plans are still too expensive in reality.
foxmeister said:
Android phones, and phones like them (e.g.iPhone) are really not designed to be used with "pay per MB" plan. I couldn't tell you what processes are going to be "consuming" data, but I'd consider 1.2MB to be pretty insignificant, though I understand that if you're paying by the MB your opinion would be significantly different.
I know it's probably not much help, but if I were you, since you are not using any of the "push" facilities of the device (e.g. GMail) I'd be inclined to switch off mobile internet and only switch it on as you need it.
Regards,
Dave
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I'm aware of this fact Dave, I had the Diamond before I got the Hero. But what I lack is a built in function to "control and monitior usage". As of right now, it seems like it lives it's own life. If you have an unlimited plan, you wont really care. But Another point is the fact that this "unwanted" data usage consumes battery power and thus limits the battery life.
All I want is to be in control of my phone....
I am considering an unlimited plan or a 1gb/2gb plan. But there is a "cap" on my current plan where I won't pay for data over 3MB every day, but it's still a lot when you use that much every day.
You could try something like Droidwall ( http://code.google.com/p/droidwall/ ), but this only works for rooted devices.
At least you should be able to "whitelist" the apps that you want to be able to talk to the outside world, and see if this has any material effect on your data usage.
Regards,
Dave
Perhaps something obvious, but have you turned off the 'always on mobile data'?
You can find that under the wireless controls, mobile network settings.
And with a lot stuff (like the weather applet) you can disable the automatic updates.
Also turn off some data sync stuff under settings, data synchronization.(Google services for example).
Hope this helps a bit, although you might have done this already
Droid wall might help otherwise as a previous post also says
I had the same problem as I don't have a plan and my carrier charges per mb , so I installed APNdroid (it changes the APN settings , and restores it if you want to use mobile network ) .
HTC even provide a widget to turn mobile data on and off quickly. Put it on your Home screen.
I used this while on vacation to avoid huge data costs.
Also set Google synchronisation to non automatic, sync it when you need too.
TBH though, the Hero is such a data centric device, its pretty boring with no live data connection... as are iPhone and any other smartphone.
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Perhaps something obvious, but have you turned off the 'always on mobile data'?
You can find that under the wireless controls, mobile network settings.
And with a lot stuff (like the weather applet) you can disable the automatic updates.
Also turn off some data sync stuff under settings, data synchronization.(Google services for example).
Hope this helps a bit, although you might have done this already
Droid wall might help otherwise as a previous post also says
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"Always on" should not use up data as it is only there to keep the connection open so the phone doesn't have to connect each time an application needs to use 2G/3G/3.5G
I disabled the always on, weather etc... but something is still consuming data. Must be one of the apps circumventing the phone settings.
But my point is this, it is to diffucult/complicated/cumbersome/unintuetive so control the amount of data the Hero uses.
Also make sure stocks is set not to update.
If you are really concerned then just turn mobile data off until you need to use it (via the widget).
The point of these type of phone is to connect to many different services. Its simple to turn all data off if you wish.
The expectation for the smartphone is that it will be dragging information in constantly, keeping you up to date with your social network.
However, you might try WiSyncPlus to automatically disable data access when you are not in range of known WiFi networks. That might be the easiest way of controlling your data consumption over the cell/mobile network.
SOLVED:
The new official Facebook App was to blame for almost the entire 1,2mb a day usage. I did not log out, just pressed the home button and the app was running in the background updating.
Is this a bug? Is there any need for it to update when you don't have it open? I'm thinking battery power here as well as data usage.
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SOLVED:
The new official Facebook App was to blame for almost the entire 1,2mb a day usage. I did not log out, just pressed the home button and the app was running in the background updating.
Is this a bug? Is there any need for it to update when you don't have it open? I'm thinking battery power here as well as data usage.
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The "Home" button doesn't actually shut down the app , it merely puts it to sleep. The "Back" button on the other hand closes the app and removes it from memory.
Linux has it very own and famous scheduler which on its own manages sleeping apps and can discard them from memory at will when the need for more memory exists
In settings you have the option to set the refresh interval, you can change it to 0. Might also be worth using a task manager to kill unwanted programs.
Devs need to write their apps correctly TBH. If its in the background and the user has not set its background processes to keep working, then it should stay silent.
ONLY if a user elects to have background processes running should an app continue to work away.
A simple setting in an apps preferences is all thats needed.
The back button to kill apps... thats pretty silly TBH especially with Browser. You would have to hit back multiple times to return to the very first web page you opened before you actually exited the app... very cumbersome.
Again, a simple setting in each app and indeed globally in the Hero's settings would make life far less confusing.
Got my Desire Z yesterday
Got a couple of questions if someone could answer them for me please?
1) If Wi-Fi is turned on and I browse the web etc, does the phone use the wi-fi (my home wi-fi this is) over the phone network, i.e. so I don't get charged as I'm currently waiting for my contract plan to renew and my free data does not kick in until next month.
2) Is there a way of closing off apps that I have previously opened, or do I need another app to do this as I assume leaving apps running in the background will be a bigger drain on the battery?
3) I have setup a HTC Sense account, does the phone remain connected to this the whole time? (just want to make sure nothing racks up my data usage as I'm not on free data as yet).
Thanks for any info.
Oh, and PS - can anyone recommend some good apps?
If your Wi-fi is on and you are connected to a wireless network, the traffic will go over this network. You can also edit your settings so that the phone doesn't use phone network to update facebook, weather, etc. This goes for all apps and functions, including HTC Sense, email sync, etc.
Task killers are not supposed to be used with Android. You can read more about that here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=849974
What a good app for you is, depends on what you're looking for. But as for games, I do recommend Angry Birds and Doodle Jump (Santa doodle is just too cute these days )
A couple of must-have apps for me:
ChompSMS - replaces built-in text messaging app
Winamp - media player
Astro File Manager - does so much more than file management
ScoreMobile - real-time updates on sports scores
BuzzBox - RSS reader
Kayak - itinerary manager and travel application
Barcode Scanner
Tim Hortons Finder - for Canadians jonesing for their cup of Timmy's
JuiceDefender -
setCPU - set up CPU profiles for
Battery Graph - tracks drain on battery
TED Mobile
Some games and lighter fare:
Air Control Lite - fun game
Paper Toss
Angry Birds
Hungry Shark
Kobo reader
Aldiko reader
Hope this helps kick you off in the right direction.
stiscooby said:
2) Is there a way of closing off apps that I have previously opened, or do I need another app to do this as I assume leaving apps running in the background will be a bigger drain on the battery?
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You don't need to worry, Android handles this automatically. The app won't be doing anything to drain the battery unless there's something seriously wrong with the app.
3) I have setup a HTC Sense account, does the phone remain connected to this the whole time? (just want to make sure nothing racks up my data usage as I'm not on free data as yet).
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You can control how often the phone syncs with your HTC Sense account just like you control the other things is syncs with such as Gmail, Facebook, etc, etc. So you can set those to sync manually so you have more control, and then only go and sync particular things when you need them.
HTCSense.com doesn't work too well for a lot of people at the moment (though you might be lucky), see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=849410
Thanks for the replies.
So is there one overall setting to turn the data off or is there a setting within each app, where I can turn it off (just for the time being).
Oh, and one other question is there a way of checking how much battery is remaining apart from the little symbol at the top of the screen? Only got it yesterday and it's showing about a 3rd remaining. Seems to have gone down quickly, although I have probably been fiddling a bit more than what I will do once I "get use to it".
Thanks
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So is there one overall setting to turn the data off or is there a setting within each app, where I can turn it off (just for the time being).
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Go into Menu->Settings->Accounts & Sync and you'll see all the settings in there. One overall setting to sync automatically or not, and then individual sections for each account where you can sync them manually.
Oh, and one other question is there a way of checking how much battery is remaining apart from the little symbol at the top of the screen? Only got it yesterday and it's showing about a 3rd remaining. Seems to have gone down quickly, although I have probably been fiddling a bit more than what I will do once I "get use to it".
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You can also go into Menu->Settings->About Phone->Battery, and if you choose the "Battery Use" section you can see what's been using the battery.
There are loads of extra battery widgets you can install on the Android market, to give you a percentage display. I'm using this one - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724778
stiscooby said:
Thanks for the replies.
So is there one overall setting to turn the data off or is there a setting within each app, where I can turn it off (just for the time being).
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I've installed the "Mobile Network" widget so I can turn data off and on at will.
Widgets > Settings... > Mobile Network
I'm a user of AutoHotKey on my PC, and I love the little quirky scripts I can write to get rid of daily annoyances or do repetitive tasks.
I'm assuming Tasker is somewhat similar for Android. I've heard a bit about it, but because of the price-tag, never really indulged.
Who around here uses the app, can't live without it, etc?
What types of things do you rely on it for?
Thanks!
I really don't condone stealing, but find Tasker apk *hint* google*hint* test it out see does it meet your needs/wants and if you like purchase the legal app.
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I use it for a profile switcher and to toggle between 3g/WiFi when I enter/leave the home or office (each has an Airave).
When we had the Time Without Signal problem and toggling Airplane Mode was the quick fix, I set Tasker to toggle whenever I booted the phone or took it off the charger.
My kids have some geo-fencing text reminders set up for them as well for when they leave school.
Here's a quick link to some of the different tasks you can set up. Some quick Googling and you can pretty much find the script for whatever you need. I love it because one app can handle the job of 5-10 different apps, although sometimes the scripting can be frustrating.
http://tasker.wikidot.com/profile-index
Tasker
I use tasker for quite a few things. First and foremost is my pattern lock. I hate putting it in all the time at home, so I have tasker disable the pattern lock when I'm on my own wifi. I still keep the slide unlock active because I like the shortcuts on the lock screen.
I also use it for music. So when I plug in a 3.5mm plug without a mic it starts my music player and sets the volume. It also disables the lock screen which is insecure but when I'm driving or running I don't want to mess with a lock screen. When I'm casually listening to music, I have a headset which has a mic attached. Tasker can differentiate and therefore starts up my music app and sets the volume to a non-earsplitting level. For this I leave the lock screen active.
Lets see, when I start any app that uses GPS it automatically activates the GPS and polls my position. I have it automatically manage the screen brightness depending on the time of day. I also have it go to airplane mode if the battery is <5%. If I'm feeling lazy I have it manage when my wifi is on based on location. I have several locations (home, work, coffee shop) that I typically connect while I'm there and turn off wifi when I leave. I don't always use this because it's not 100% reliable.
That's about all I use it for. I can post instructions if anyone is interested.
I went ahead and purchased the app. Pretty cool so far. I'm interested in the profiles you are using, it sounds like you know what you are doing.
Thanks!
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Microsoft just introduced a similar app that's free. On{x} I think it's called.
I used to have it set wifi based on network location, but that wasn't always reliable. I use it to set volume levels depending on time, so that way it turns the phone down for work, and then cranks it up after work. I generally always have it making noise on email and phone calls, because I don't always feel it vibrate.
One other neat one I use is to put it in vibrate mode whenever I place the device face down. That way when I'm in a meeting, I take out my phone and just put it face down on the conference table...instant mute. When I pick it up, the sound comes back on. Also handy for charging at night, I just put it face down for the night and everything gets silenced.
I also have a profile that activates based on time and location...so now I don't have to worry about the "loudest cellphone in the world" -- one that goes off in church! :angel:
Only limited by your imagination, I found a lot of good ideas on the tasker site.
MeetFace said:
I went ahead and purchased the app. Pretty cool so far. I'm interested in the profiles you are using, it sounds like you know what you are doing.
Thanks!
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Here's how I have some of my tasks setup. I made a profile that activates when wifi connected (state->net->wifi connected->fill in whatever you need) and then have two tasks associated with it that I called "keyguard off" and "keyguard on". Keyguard on is my exit task. For Keyguard off go to (display->keyguard->set off) repeat for keyguard on. If you want to have the slide unlock to stay on you have to use a plugin called secure settings. Otherwise it's a similar process you just navigate to "plugins" instead of "display". From there it takes you into secure settings app which is easy enough to figure out.
For the music stuff: I made a profile one for a 3.5mm with a mic and one without (new profile->state->hardware->headset plugged in). Then I made a task which is assigned to the one without a mic, set the keyguard off like above then go to app->load app->your music app of choice. Then set the volume audio->media volume->whatever volume you want. Add an exit task that reactivates the keyguard I just use my wifi task for this. Same process for the one with the mic except I have it go to a lower volume.
To use GPS you probably have to use that secure settings plugin again depending on the rom you are on (im on AOKP and have to use it). Make an new profile (application->choose all apps with gps that you want to trigger this). Make a task (plugin->secure settings->edit->gps->pick state) then add another (misc->get location). Make an exit task that disables gps.
Finally, for low battery make a profile (state->power->battery level->whatever level) and associated task (net->airplane mode->on) and an exit task which turns it off.
There's plenty more that tasker can do, hope this helps you figure it out a little. I mostly just bumbled around the app until I found some useful things plus their website is full of good ideas.
I hope everyone doesn't mind if I add another question to the thread.
I'm interested in using Tasker as well, but I'm concerned that the benefits of automation will cost me in battery life. How much has you battery life changed using tasker, if at all?
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amateurhack said:
I hope everyone doesn't mind if I add another question to the thread.
I'm interested in using Tasker as well, but I'm concerned that the benefits of automation will cost me in battery life. How much has you battery life changed using tasker, if at all?
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Well, you could use the Battery Monitor Widget from the play store (the one with all the graphs and stuff), and use it to see how much the app is using. I doubt it's a lot but I know that it is SOME. The more apps running (and updating/logging) in the background the more battery you are using. Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong but, your phone has to "wake" every time an app needs to do something (update/log)
It does use power but nothing extreme in my experience. If you're using it for setting basic sound profiles and the like it won't be noticable really. You should look at it the other way though, taskers power of automating stuff like knocking off wifi and data connections when you dont need them will probably save battery life.
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I really don't condone stealing, but find Tasker apk *hint* google*hint* test it out see does it meet your needs/wants and if you like purchase the legal app.
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For the record, you can download a fully functional week-long trial from the dev's website for free.
I do a fair amount with Tasker, but one thing that I haven't seen many other people do is enable/disable battery-draining apps in certain contexts.
For example, I have a power-saving profile that disables a set of apps and services that would otherwise run 24/7. I also use have a profile which lets me run and disable AirDroid in response to a Google Voice text, so I can manage my phone from my laptop without ever touching it.
On my Nook, even small wakelocks add up over time when the battery life would otherwise be measured in days, so I use Tasker to disable just about any app that likely to throw a wakelock while I'm not using the device. Because I'm forgetful I also have profiles to disable wifi when the device goes to sleep, and to email me when the battery is getting low so I remember to charge it.
Finally, I also have generic profiles to lock and reply with GPS coordinates in response to text, turn volume to max and make noise in response to text, unlock when connected to home wifi, and unlock when my alarm goes off so that I don't have to enter my passcode and scan the alarm-silencing QR code I put up in the bathroom.
Let me know if you want more info on any of the above!
Would you mind posting the low battery profile?
I'd like to set that up on my TP.
Thanks!
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Sure, it's not too complicated although it does take a bit of setting up. To start with, in order to enable/disable apps you must use either the SecureSettings plugin with an updated su binary, or use adb commands. I choose to use SecureSettings, since that way I don't have to look up package names.
To disable groups of packages, I first make several individual tasks disabling each one. Then, I make another task which turns off wifi, 4g, and GPS. Next, I make another task which runs appropriate package-disabling tasks for that grouping, as well as the wifi/4g/GPS off task. Finally, I put an icon to run that group task on my homescreen.
Obviously, you'll have to figure out what apps/services you may want to disable for yourself.
Note that you could just as easily put all the package disabling actions in one task, thereby obviating the need to nest tasks. I just did it this way since that's what seemed natural to me, given that I have a few different groupings.
Links to XML files for the wifi/GPS off task, an example package disabling task, and a low power consumption master task.
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I'm interested in using Tasker as well, but I'm concerned that the benefits of automation will cost me in battery life. How much has you battery life changed using tasker, if at all?
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I had the same concerns when I purchased Tasker, and I've found the battery life impact to be undetectable by me. Mainly, that's because tasker runs based on states, and it doesn't constantly poll the OS for what state it's in.
For instance, I have a task that puts my device on silent when it's face down. From how I understand it works, tasker tells the OS "let me know when you are face down" and then pretty much goes to sleep. The OS handles that, and when it goes face down, it tells tasker "ok, i'm face down now" and then tasker executes its script.
So, tasker really doesn't impact battery life, but if you have it switch on high-drain stuff, then yep, you'll see a difference, but that's what you've set it to do, not the app itself.
HTH,
Michael
I've been very thankful for Tasker. I've used it for over a year now, and its one that I continually use and keep.
A few different ways I use is to set the sound profile depending day and time. It auto sets to vibrate at church and auto sets to sound off overnight. But if certain contacts call (mom, dad, wife, etc) the ringer turns on.
I also use it to turn on wifi when I'm home. Thankfully, I'm on Sprint with unlimited data. But I'm sure on other carriers, data usage may be a concern and using wifi at home could save that data usage.
Another cool way I use it is if I'm driving and recieve a text message, it will auto-reply with a text saying "Texting while driving is bad. I'm traveling at 47.3 mph currently. I'll reply later when it's safe". I know that's alittle overboard, but I think it's nifty.
Because I have no posting rights in developer forum, I am posting here.
I have found a little tiny typo in debloater_v1 which prevents the uninstall of the shown:
Code:
# - Market Feedback Agent
#delete("/system/app/[B]Google.Feedback[/B].apk","/system/app/[B]Google.Feedback[/B].odex");
shoul be:
#delete("/system/app/[B]GoogleFeedback[/B].apk","/system/app/[B]GoogleFeedback[/B].odex");
What don't work in the script, is the "LiveWallpaper" removal. I think the path or name is wrong, but don't know it correctly, I removed it with Titanium Backup.
Then I've added following stuff, because I don't want it. Maybe someone don't need it too:
Code:
# - Partner Bookmarks
delete("/system/app/PartnerBookmarksProvider.apk","/system/app/PartnerBookmarksProvider.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.android.providers.partnerbookmarks");
# - QuickOffice
delete("/system/app/Quickoffice_sp.apk");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.qo.android.moto");
# - Audio equalizer
delete("/system/app/MusicFX.apk","/system/app/MusicFX.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.android.musicfx");
# - Videoeditor
delete("/system/app/VideoEditorGoogle.apk","/system/app/VideoEditorGoogle.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.google.android.videoeditor");
# - Google Talk
delete("/system/app/Talk.apk","/system/app/Talk.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.google.android.talk");
# - Google Play Music
delete("/system/app/Music2.apk","/system/app/Music2.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.google.android.music");
# - DLNA
delete("/system/app/DlnaSystemService.apk","/system/app/DlnaSystemService.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.motorola.android.dlnasystemservice");
# - Modem Panic reporter
delete("/system/app/ModemPanicReporter.apk","/system/app/ModemPanicReporter.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.motorola.modempanicreporter");
# - OMA protocol for Device Management
delete("/system/app/OMAProvisioning.apk","/system/app/OMAProvisioning.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.motorola.android.provisioning");
# - Motorola Service ?
delete("/system/app/cce.apk","/system/app/cce.odex");
# - Other Crap
delete("/system/app/PhoneAddons.apk","/system/app/PhoneAddons.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.motorola.phoneaddons");
delete("/system/app/PhoneConfig.apk","/system/app/PhoneConfig.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.motorola.hiddenmenu");
delete("/system/app/DataSwitch.apk","/system/app/DataSwitch.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.motorola.dataswitch");
I've found this as a major useless battery consumer and removed it too:
Code:
# - Statistics Service
delete("/system/app/ModemStatsService.apk","/system/app/ModemStatsService.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.motorola.bach.modemstats");
Because I also used the "remove_motorola-launcher" and replaced the launcher with apex, I added the following at least:
Code:
# - Deblur
delete("/system/app/BlurUpdater.apk","/system/app/BlurUpdater.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.motorola.blur.updater");
delete("/system/app/blur-services.apk","/system/app/blur-services.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.motorola.blur.service.blur");
delete("/system/app/Setup.apk","/system/app/Setup.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.motorola.blur.setup");
delete("/system/app/SetupSettings.apk","/system/app/SetupSettings.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.motorola.blur.setupsettings");
If someone knows how to remove the flash player settings app through this script, on which I get an error on opening and removed it therefore by hand, then let me know.
I've forgot to thank arman68 for the good work and mod.
Edit (as a bonus info):
I noticed the following in case of battery consumption and cpu governor.
I highly recommend to use SmartAssV2, if you switch the screen off. For me it's the best governor in sleep mode with very low battery consumption.
So I used a profile where I switched between SmartAssV2 in case of screen is off and InteractiveX when it's switched on.
Hey Machredsch, this is great feedback, thank you.
I will have a detailed look at the information you provided, and use it for v2.
Did you really find a big battery usage difference between smartassV2 and interactiveX with the screen on? Theoritically, smartassV2 should have a small advantage, but I am not convinced it would be enough of a difference to justify switching with a profile. I will try to do some tests.
With screen off, interactiveX definitely has a clear advantage, due to the 600MHz limit.
I once used Omars ROM and I used the InteractiveX permanently. The phone was mostly off and unused. Over night I was on WLAN, during daylight on 3G. I noticed a rapid lost on battery and don't know why, therefore I switched to SmartAssV2 and for me it has been worked best since, if you do nothing all the time. I also noticed InteractiveX performing better in case of battery, when you do something with your phone.
But this is only my personal subjective impression with no test material or something else. If you or someone else could make some tests, it will be an enlightenment for all. But because I am satisfied with this setting, I always use this in that way.
At some thread, I don't know where here, I read about a benchmark test (which wasn't accepted by the others ) and there was the opinion, that SmartAssV2 was most time at sleep mode of all governors, if you did nothing. But that was only was I understood.
Machredsch said:
I once used Omars ROM and I used the InteractiveX permanently. The phone was mostly off and unused. Over night I was on WLAN, during daylight on 3G. I noticed a rapid lost on battery and don't know why
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When the screen is OFF, both governors are very good at spending most of their time in deep sleep.
In the case you reported, it seems like something was preventing deep sleep on your phone. It could be an application running, some wakelocks, or network related. The fact that you were on interactiveX actually helped your battery last longer, since it made sure the CPU did not go beyond 600MHz. If you had been on smartassV2, your CPU would have scaled all the way to 2GHz, and drained your battery much faster.
I suspect, after you changed governor, you must have rebooted or changed some other setting, and this is what solved your deep sleep problem.
I have done some screen OFF tests that clearly showed smartassV2 runs down the battery much faster when the phone is prevented from entering deep sleep. Deep sleep prevention can happen for a variety of reason, including the simple fact of being connected to a wifi network (a bug in android wifi stack causes constant rx_wake events, under specific conditions, when connected to some wlan networks). This is why I have set interactiveX as default in my kernel. In addition, in my performance test, I could not find any difference between the two governors.
Ok thx arman for the detailed explanation, I will try.
Machredsch said:
I've found this as a major useless battery consumer and removed it too:
Code:
# - Statistics Service
delete("/system/app/ModemStatsService.apk","/system/app/ModemStatsService.odex");
delete_recursive("/data/data/com.motorola.bach.modemstats");
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I tend to err on the side of caution, especially for a debloater script published publicly. Do you know what the ModemStatsService actually does? From the name, isn't it related to the Settings > Data usage option?
What about the following:
DlnaSystemService
ModemPanicReporter
cce
PhoneAddons
PhoneConfig
DataSwitch
How about the apk you listed under Deblur; are you sure they are not needed anymore once the Motorola launcher is gone?
arman68 said:
I tend to err on the side of caution, especially for a debloater script published publicly. Do you know what the ModemStatsService actually does? From the name, isn't it related to the Settings > Data usage option?
What about the following:
DlnaSystemService
ModemPanicReporter
cce
PhoneAddons
PhoneConfig
DataSwitch
How about the apk you listed under Deblur; are you sure they are not needed anymore once the Motorola launcher is gone?
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First, I havent't any problems with the removal of all of them, I wrote.
I only noticed that the small cloud icon of USB-Debugging in the status bar disappeared, if you connect the phone to USB.
Second, my suggestions depend on this list from another Motorola Phone and Version 4.0.4, but I think most of them are the same or similar:
App list
There was written, that removal of some Google apps like Google Play Music isn't possible, but it is on our phone.
And if you look at "ModemStatsService", you can read "Statistics Service data, wich does not alter the connections. Major consumer of battery." I've found it very helpfull and I had no problems with removing of it, on the contrary I noticed only advantages.
Because I don't want Motorolas Email client and don't want to update and sync with Motorola services or accounts and updates, I don't need the apps. Maybe someone can confirm my points or have some experiences with it. I know no advantages of keeping those services on my daily usage. Data traffic and statistic and contacts sync and so on is still working.
"Motorola Service" I don't know what it does, when it was running. I removed it and noticed nothing happens, except no service of it is running.
On this site in German, they say you can remove cce.apk: system-apps removal
"DLNA" you can google for it, I don't need it. If you add an option for it and disable the removal by default, I think there should be no problem.
PhoneAddons
PhoneConfig
DataSwitch
Maybe someone should dig more into it and look what exactly they are for. I noticed no problems after removal, but I clearly say, I test all of them only by daily usage and nothing deep. You can stay with them and don't take them away at the moment as long as someone else could explain more. "DataSwitch" sounds important to me nevertheless . If DataSwitch stands for 3G/2G switch or something related, it should clearly stay.
Machredsch said:
I've forgot to thank arman68 for the good work and mod.
Edit (as a bonus info):
I noticed the following in case of battery consumption and cpu governor.
I highly recommend to use SmartAssV2, if you switch the screen off. For me it's the best governor in sleep mode with very low battery consumption.
So I used a profile where I switched between SmartAssV2 in case of screen is off and InteractiveX when it's switched on.
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OK, here's the explanation. There was a profile active, which switched to SmartAss when screen was off and there was set the max frequency to 600 MHz, So there is no wonder that I had best results.
Some battery saving tips for Android devices
The Android phones are now becoming extremely popular because there are many different triangles, the app store is extremely rich to meet everyone's needs. However, there is a problem of computer users run Google's operating system or experience, which is the machine drain the battery pretty fast. In the following article, I will review a number of tips collected after a period of use to help extend battery life for Android devices. Invite you to join us to share the experience of using your right in this topic to add rich content.
Check the battery consumption of the components in the machine
By default, Android has built us a battery manager quite useful and you can access it by going to Settings> Battery (for Android devices 4.0 or higher) or Settings> About Phone> Battery use (with Android 2.x devices). Here you will find a series of computer applications listed with a percentage figure represents the energy consumption of the app. Do not just stop at the application, the Battery also provide information for us to know that the system, screen, Wi-Fi consume what percentage of battery when the phone is placed in standby mode, the stars, the mode operation, the stars. You can see this as an "observatory", where you can closely monitor your entire system.
In case you discover a number of applications drain the battery too much, we can quickly turn them off by pressing select the app, press the Force Stop button. Also in the new window opens, you will see the details of the software used to machine resources, such as CPU access applications for how long, how long GPS, the background for several minutes, the amount of data sent / received on. If you feel no need to use such software because it causes more battery power, you can remove it from the machine.
Besides, this manager also gives us a graph depicting the change of battery during use. For example, during the first two hours of machine you use to surf the web, play games, then the line will drop faster than the period for idle factory. Immediately below the bar chart is a long series tell you that the connection / items that have been enabled for how long. Some vendors, such as HTC has customized this chart more intuitive way, providing more hours should be more convenient for you when you need to track.
Switching between 2G and 3G
When using mobile Internet, we have two options: either use 2G or 3G use. Benefits of 3G, then surely you all know, it is very fast access speed, so the web browser, download the application will be completed in a short time than 2G (or commonly known as GPRS, EDGE). However, the downside is that it does 3G drain the battery very fast machine, sometimes causing market is heating up again. Therefore, if you need long time use Android devices, you turn off 3G away when not needed, just idling 2G only. For example, when browsing or searching location, load maps, we use 3G for optimal speed when not in use, the switch to the 2G network to serve the gentle features such as check email, update Facebook's announcement. Thus, the machine's battery life will be extended significantly.
To set the machine to run only 2G, Android device, you access the Settings> More> Mobile Network, select "Use only 2G networks", if you want to use 3G, then uncheck this. However, we have too many steps and gain access to this section, so I suggest you use a small widget called 2G-3G OnOff. After downloading, you perform a widget on your home screen as usual. Every time you need to switch between two types of connection, click the icon of the app, the screen immediately have the "Use only 2G networks" will appear. It will help us save a lot of time from having to manually customize.
Select chip equipment optimized for battery life
In part the battery saving things related to wireless connectivity, without configuring the software, I would like to share some of the little things related to hardware. Currently, Qualcomm is the only manufacturer to find a way to integrate components such as wireless transceivers GPS / GLONASS, 3G/4G LTE up straight in SoC (ie chips used in mobile devices, in which contains the CPU). Compared with NVIDIA Tegra SoC machines running 3/4 or Samsung Exynos - which used the chip and wireless module are separate, Qualcomm solutions help optimize battery life better. Speed transceivers, cellular 3G is also enhanced, faster access speeds. Therefore, when you buy a smartphone, tablet using Qualcomm Snapdragon SoC, the level of savings and speed to excel compared to the SoC line from other companies, especially those who often have to use 3G.
Some machines use Qualcomm Snapdragon SoC can be listed today as LG Nexus 4, LG Optimus G, LG Optimus LTE II, HTC Butterfly, X HTC Desire, HTC Desire SV, SV HTC One, HTC One S, Sony Xperia T / TX, Xperia V, Xperia S / P / U, Motorola Droid RAZR HD / MAXX HD ... It also saves battery on the right side of the machine running both Windows Phone 7 and 8, which are using Qualcomm's S4 Snapdragon SoC, such as the Nokia Lumia 920, Nokia Lumia 820, HTC Windows Phone 8X, HTC Windows Phone 8S, Samsung Ativ S. ..
Refining self-synchronizing data
The automatic synchronization of data is also a factor affecting the battery life of Android devices. Automatic sync means that the software will continue to get access network information, such as when you push mail or Facebook check such notification. If you need to use it with no problems, but in case you use it at this truly is a very wasteful. Not only that but the battery as fast as it also makes the system slow down if your machine does not have a very powerful configuration. Therefore, let us manage the synchronization of Android devices by accessing each specific application, for the configuration / settings / configuration to customize them. Here I will show some typical software.
General Google Account: You access the machine's Settings, scroll down below to see the Accounts. There are many different types of accounts, select the Google line. Continue to take an email account in case the machine is logged multiple addresses, then you will see a series of tick marks to sync select content. We have: sync calendar, bookmarks / history of Chrome, contacts, Google Drive, Gmail, Google Currents, Google Photos, Google Play Music, ... If you do not like something, synchronous machine so that you uncheck travel is completed.
Gmail: run the software, click the three dots in the lower right corner of the screen, select Settings. Select the account to which you configure, looking down at the Data Usage. Here is a line called "Gmail sync is ON", touch it. In the dialog box that appears, uncheck Auto-sync app data if you want Gmail to stop auto complete email as soon as a letter just received. You can also customize each one Google account as needed.
Facebook: Facebook launches app, you click the three dots in the lower right corner of the screen, select Settings. In the Refresh Interval, select the time interval between two self-refresh app content. You can for 1 hour if used Facebook, but not the 2 hours or 4 hours is fine. Also, with Facebook, you can go to the Settings of the machine, browse Facebook in the Account text, deselect the "Contacts" app not proceed to synchronize contacts.
Yahoo Mail: This section is quite similar to the general Google account, you are also in the machine's Settings> browse to the Accounts> Yahoo. Choose to your account, if you do not want to uncheck Contacts sync contacts, uncheck if you do not want to download mail Messages as soon as it arrived.
Dropbox: Unlike the sync app is on the simple things, Dropbox allows us to upload photos automatically have snapped up on the company's servers, which is extremely convenient when you need to make a save Reserve as soon as the image is recorded. To refine this feature, you launch the Dropbox software, click the three dots in the upper right corner of the screen, select Settings. If you want to completely turn off auto upload, select Turn off Camera Upload. And if you want to sync only when there is Wi-Fi, you click Upload lines using> Wi-Fi only (also stream data plan or Wi-Fi, the download allows both 3G and Wi-Fi, but that the loss machine battery pretty fast so you might want to consider while taking). The online app store like SkyDrive, Box, SugarSync and you do the same.
Reduce unused connections
This procedure is one of those things apply across platforms, from mobile devices running Android, iOS, S40, BlackBerry, Symbian and PC. Wi-Fi connection is very useful, it helps for applications in machines, especially the networking applications such as Email, Facebook, Twitter, RSS ... work smoothly and efficiently, but also so that makes the battery faster. If you go to places where there is no Wi-Fi or Wi-Fi signal is weak, the machine detects Wi-Fi all the time, the machine drains the battery faster. So, if you do not need Wi-Fi to turn off by going to Settings, Wi-Fi gotten to the OFF. Do the same for Bluetooth connectivity, 3G. If you are currently using Android 4.2, you can quickly shut off by using two fingers to drag the status bar will show the buttons appear as shown below.
It should be noted that if you regularly use the wireless connection, the aforementioned toggle is often not a good idea. I've been testing and found that the continuous turn will make the battery faster than normal wear, and many, many technology news site also confirmed the above phenomenon. The reason for this is explained by each enable Bluetooth or Wi-Fi or 3G, the machine must use more energy to find and establish a connection. Energy consumption in the boot process is much higher than the energy needed to maintain connectivity. Therefore, if you need to use Wi-Fi or 3G more then let him thus limiting open off several times.
Adjust the screen brightness automatically
The screen is a component of the "eat" batteries in a mobile device, regardless of which machine is running Android, iOS or Symbian. Therefore, Google has applied the method to adjust the screen brightness for your operating system. This feature on activities using a sensor called ambient light sensor, usually next speaker layout or on the side of the machine, to see the brightness of the environment around the user is, from which crystals adjust the brightness of the screen accordingly. This approach has three advantages: saving battery power, energy saving manual adjustments, just to help our eyes more comfortable. If you often have to move between the brightness difference where this is extremely useful features. Once inside, the machine self-adjust the screen darkens a bit to save battery power, even when it came out way too bright on the screen for you to see better in the sun. It's convenient right?
To enable the ability to adjust the brightness on Android 4.x, go to Settings> Display> Brightness, select the check box Automatic Brightness. If you are running older Android versions like 2.3, 2.2, please go to Settings> Sound and Display> Brightness, Automatic brightness adjustment press box. You note that this option only applies to machines equipped ambient sensor ok.
Keep your phone in a cool place
Can you believe this is not related, but the real ambient temperature greatly affects the performance of the machine as well as the use of batteries. Normally, the battery works better in a cool place, and the heat for a long time that the battery power dropped away much quicker. Therefore, you should limit the phone tucked into places too narrow to avoid the sun shines directly into our time machine too long. So you just help better battery life, the life expectancy has increased for the other components of the machine.
Use the Google application "dark"
Google provides many applications for its Android operating system (such as Gmail, Maps, Google+, Music, Documents ...) and most of these applications have in common colors are white, black letters. If your phone uses AMOLED screen it is best to turn it on a black background to save battery life. Two of these displays have the advantage of being able to black out, it will turn off the pixel goes to an absolute black, the only color other then the new pixel color that glows. Whereby it will save a lot of battery when using a black background with many apps like this. So how to switch to a black background? Very easy, a modder named "rujelus22" mod to have the app on Google and convert them to black and white text background colors, all you need to do is download and install only.
rujelus22 that you can install parallel black background applications with legacy applications. But on a certain number of machines, you may need to remove the original, the new Google application installed the "black" is. You can download the application "dark" is the link: MediaFire / or update FShare add new applications in the source link of the author. Conduct a Flash file into the package or set each file sequentially. APK one.
List of Google applications have been converted to black tones:
Google Play
Google+, Gmail
Google Docs, Google Voice, Google Translate
Search Box
Google Talk, Google Reader
Google Music, YouTube
And other applications:
Twitter, Dropbox
Virtual Keyboard ICS and Gingerbread
(Excerpted from his @ TDNC: [Android] Save battery power with the Google apps dark)
Limiting the use of advertising associated software
In addition to the reasons as old as the big screen, powerful hardware to the researchers from Purdue University and Microsoft found that 75% of battery consumption on Android case related to the application by in-game ads cause. Android has a lot of free software and games, most of all we are and will insert advertising is constantly in the process we use. These ads constantly connected to the Internet and transmit that information to the Android machine becomes so drain the battery. It is so, I had previously tried a number of free applications that support the ad noticed lagging computer battery a bit faster than using the app, but is also a chargeable ( ie no advertising). Therefore, you should purchase a software license, just to support authors, both respected intellectual property law and minimize battery consumption by advertising with me, but if not then you have to take the trouble to find files information install APK format on internet such.
Stopping or removing unnecessary app
You will never know what software is running in the background if they are not managed in a coherent way through the menu Settings> Apps> Running tab. Some app seemed gone off but we really still running and continuous access to the system resources. If the app you use it often or do not say, but there are things we run up a long long time, so that a system occupied unnecessarily, to make our machines drain the battery more quickly. In this case, you should stop the application by selecting desire to take an app, press the Stop button in the process are displayed. In addition, you can also remove them completely out of the machine to not accidentally activate the app is not necessary.
The backend applications for prolonged battery life
Juice Defender
Android has many additional applications to help you manage and increase the battery life, which is a famous software called Juice Defender. It will automatically set system parameters to optimize battery life for the machine. The free version of JuiceDefender supports the Balanced and Aggressive configurations, providing limited ability to control the data connection and synchronize calendar. Plus version ($ 1.99) to expand custom configurations and more Aggressive custom calendar sync. Ultimate version ($ 4.99) has additional functions such as AutoSync (automatic sync), Screen Timeout (Romance of time off screen), Screen Brightness (Adjust the screen brightness) and many additional custom calendar at sets. If the root device, this software also allows you to control the CPU speed, GPS and switch between 2G/3G mode.
To use the free JuiceDefender is very simple, follow these steps:
At Play Store to find and install JuiceDefender installed on machines or at this link.
Running JuiceDefender select Enabled. That's it.
The second configuration is free to choose the Balanced and Aggressive. Also, the free version only manage Mobile data is connected, so in theory the Plus or Ultimate will save more battery. The management style of the free time you use the battery by about 50%
Balanced Configuration: With this configuration, Mobile data connection will be automatically switched off when the phone screen is off. Every 15 minutes, the connection will be activated to sync data (email, calendar ...)
Aggressive Configuration: Balanced Like in that the screen is off, it would automatically turn off Mobile Data. Yet another place is just 30 minutes, the connection will be activated to sync. This configuration is another place again when the battery is too low, then the connection will not be activated even when the screen is open. Maximum battery savings.
For normal users, simply enable the free version is finished. If you want more than that, you can use the Ultimate version, others will have a more detailed article on this premium version (Excerpted Saver for Android with Juice Defender my @ vuhai6)
Battery Doctor
A free app also helps us save battery management and an intuitive, Battery Doctor (download here). Its main feature is to provide relative time that you can use with current battery capacity (the accuracy of the minutes), when the principal warning or when a fully charged battery, automatically adjusts system components such as Wi-Fi, GPS, Bluetooth to save battery life by different modes: Extreme - only messaging feature called active listening, Clock - alarm clock only activities and Custom - customized according to your needs.
When you click on the battery icon in the park outside the main screen, Battery Doctor allows us to view the status of batteries, current battery capacity, temperature, battery voltage, battery technology. A chart above also allows you to monitor the energy consumption of the machine for any period of more battery power, about which little use, ...
Also, a point that I find interesting is that when using Battery Doctor to turn off the connection type, the battery time remaining will increase or decrease in an intuitive way (some minute changes expected soon ), from which you can easily decide which one should be turned off the public. It also will tell you the time relative to the full charge of your Android machine is how long.
Sony Smart Connect
There is a free software quite useful for you to shut off timer connection types, such as Sony Smart Connect (Download the Sony Smart Connect application). This application is the automatic functions perform a variety of tasks in a certain time you set, or when you connect a peripheral device to the mayAndroid her. The interesting point is that each series of actions that can be divided by "facts" are different, for example, you go to work 7 am, when the machine breaks free Wi-Fi, transfer ringtone to silent mode, and to 5 pm, the machine switches itself on the ring and Wi-Fi. It should be added that Smart Connect developed by Sony, but it can run on all Android devices of other manufacturers. I have tried to install on multiple machines HTC, LG and Smart Connect the Nexus 4 will work fine.
After you download the software, run the app Smart Connect. In the main interface, click the + button in the upper right corner of the screen, enter the name of the new event, such as "go to" for example. In the new screen appears, the item When you click on the "Add condition". Here, you can set the app to trigger events based on the hours or recommend charging / headphones recommend (with the Sony Xperia, you have a lot of other ways activated by touching SmartTag, connected to SonySmartWatch, ...). If you choose, you can choose hourly event repeats every day or some days of the week.
Next, we will set the machine will do the action sequences. In This is the result of the action will take place at the start of the event, and the "At The End" is what it will do when the event ended. As I said to the example earlier, to go to the event, you can set the Do This includes the mute, turn off Wi-Fi, 3G open, running app map. And At The End section, select the Wi-Fi open, open the bell, turn off 3G. You can apply similar measures to the machine itself off when going to sleep sound, light and time again that they open themselves. Additionally, you can place orders for Smart Connect launch a particular application, posting new status to Facebook, ... After you've installed the action series, do not forget to flip the switch to On top of the screen, while the new machine and run track events as we have to.