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I´ve been following with interest the porting of touchflo interface to non-Elf (Touch) devices.
There have been lots of requests for developing a cab with files n settings for such an interface. It has been suceesfully ported to custom ROMs for Artemis, wizard...., but developers say that there is no way to build just a cab.
not being a developer, i would like to know the rationale behind "cab is no possible", as i can not undestand why, if touch flow can be ccoked to a ROM, it can not be made into a cab. Surely there is an explanation.
(i ask this question because i´d rather keep the stock ROM until warranty period is over, but i want to use my device (Artemis) as much as possible without reverting to stylus)
The Problem is that the Touch.dll must be replaced with the one from HTC Touch... this is not possible.
Only before cooking the Rom you are able to replace System DLLs
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So the solution would be to make an installation rotine that unloads touch dll from memory, ,overwrites it with the replacement "flo" one, and then reload touch dll.
is that a workable solution under MsMobile platform?
Sorry if i´m proposing a nonsense, as i´m no programmer at all (just "hello world" stuff)
I'm not one of the ROM cookers here but I think the system dlls that need replacing cannot be deleted because they are in ROM and therefore, the device needs to be flashed to change behaviour.
damac said:
I'm not one of the ROM cookers here but I think the system dlls that need replacing cannot be deleted because they are in ROM and therefore, the device needs to be flashed to change behaviour.
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or just the cab being reinstalled after every hard reset?
The touch.dll is different from device to device... so u'll have to have a "touch" dll that fits your device. Another reason is that the dll can not be changed after flashing the rom, has it is protected by the OS (not even using Total Commander...).
I try to overwrite Touch.dll via some program to replace the original Touch.dll.
After replace it, Touch-screen is no respond to any touch on the screen but Hardware button still working ,then I restore my device.
In my idea, I think Touch.dll is device specific and this file take control all of touch-screen. So Touch.dll cannot be replace by conventional method.
We have to rewrite Touch-Flo program to hook on another dll, e.g. Touch-Flo.dll. (This is just my theory) But I don't know "How to do it ?".
Does anyone have idea about it ?
dferreira said:
The touch.dll is different from device to device... so u'll have to have a "touch" dll that fits your device.
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Well, until Tytn II(Kaiser) is released, the only touch-flo enabled phone that can be bought off the shelf is HTC Touch.
So all cooked ROMs for Artemis, Wizard.....that include touchflo, must include touchflo dlls extracted from HTC Touch ROM.
Then, my understanding is that, as these touch-flo ROM do actually run on devices other than HTC Touch, the dll´s needed must be not so "device specific" but (more or less) generic for QVGA devices without graphics processor (or at least for OMAP 200 devices).
maybe its not only touch dll, but also other files which have to be replaced by files from HTC Touch.
Has any body managed to extract the touchflo files from HTC touch or TytnII??? If yes then kindly post them here. Maybe we can try to put it in other models like Hima..
c_shekhar said:
Has any body managed to extract the touchflo files from HTC touch or TytnII??? If yes then kindly post them here. Maybe we can try to put it in other models like Hima..
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There a number of ROMs that include TouchFlo in Prophet, Artemis n Wizard xda-dev forums.
i dont know how to extract specific files from a ROM file, nor which files are flo-related files, and have to be extracted.
Surely the cookers of those ROMs can advise and even provide the Flo files.
sirgawain123 said:
There a number of ROMs that include TouchFlo in Prophet, Artemis n Wizard xda-dev forums.
i dont know how to extract specific files from a ROM file, nor which files are flo-related files, and have to be extracted.
Surely the cookers of those ROMs can advise and even provide the Flo files.
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look in the wizard WM6 forum, there are several kitchen roms and links to OEM packs with all the touch stuf thats needed.
I agree ,
i dont understand why is not possible to make one application just to touchflo,
let´s take some examples:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=321242
this stops, but i test and works, only whid some bugs, and is not reali a touchflo
http://www.pocketcm.com/index.php
this one makes touchflo
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325223&highlight=iphone+media+player
this one is touchflo application
icontacts is a touchflo application
so...i dont understand why is not possible to make a touchflo cab
i have all this aplications in a s200 wm5!
Marcos200 said:
i dont understand why is not possible to make one application just to touchflo,
let´s take some examples:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=321242
this stops, but i test and works, only whid some bugs, and is not reali a touchflo
http://www.pocketcm.com/index.php
this one makes touchflo
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325223&highlight=iphone+media+player
this one is touchflo application
icontacts is a touchflo application
so...i dont understand why is not possible to make a touchflo cab
i have all this aplications in a s200 wm5!
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touchflo requires Touch.dll, and Touch.dll is not an application. Itz part of the OS which is device dependent. Unless someone writes a fully working touchflo cube, managed to remove the current touch.dll with his own dll, then it is portable from device to device.
c_shekhar said:
Has any body managed to extract the touchflo files from HTC touch or TytnII??? If yes then kindly post them here. Maybe we can try to put it in other models like Hima..
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Hi C_shekhar
Is this can help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=321844
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Hi C_shekhar
Is this can help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=321844
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funny thread in the sense some pple is asking the same again and again.
I would summarize state of art as follows:
-Some ROMs with Touch flo have been developed by forum members for devices other than HTC Touch.
-Touch flo files are available for those who want to cook their own ROM, at least for OMAP devices.
- As today,Touch flo files can not be installed in a device over an existing ROM because installation can not overwrite certain files as they are in use by the system.
Workaround (Yet To be made)would be an installation routine that unloads files to be replaced, and loads touchflo ones. This routine should be performed after every reset, as resets reloads the files from original ROM.
Here are a bunch of cabs to give you the look of the Touch but these won't give you the finger scroll feature.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311225
I personnally don't care for the eye candy on my wizard, but like the touch driver that lets me finger scroll. The OEM packs I've seen bundle this driver with the today plug-in, but there's just a few files specific to the touch driver that can be separated out from the today plug-in.
jorge_culv said:
Here are a bunch of cabs to give you the look of the Touch but these won't give you the finger scroll feature.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311225
I personnally don't care for the eye candy on my wizard, but like the touch driver that lets me finger scroll. The OEM packs I've seen bundle this driver with the today plug-in, but there's just a few files specific to the touch driver that can be separated out from the today plug-in.
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to get fingerscrolling you'll only need the touch.dll not othere file or regestry setting but somehow it doesn't seem to work for all devices. I don't know why... if it just can't work or no one figured it out yet?
The_hesham said:
Hi C_shekhar
Is this can help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=321844
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No it does not help.....
Is there any Hermes ROM cooked with TocuhFlo?
Gullum , i need help, please.
Gullum,
thnks for the very profecional good work, in all app, roms, foruns, etc.
one question,
i dont need flash my prophet (S200 pt), but i use all the finger friendly applications that we have in xda.
i looveeee the finger scroll applications.
but i have now 1.5 years waranty, and i dont need flash.
just the scrolling feature, the touch.dll, like you say, but i dont now how i need to just install that in my wm5 rom in portuguese.
is there a solution?? a cab, or just put oem files and replace the ones that i have. i use the touchnav application, but i need more, also use the very best iContact v3, but i need finguer scroll in all applications, like the touch
Thanks in advance,
I`m searching for a very small ROM for my German XDA mini.
As I have a new phone now i would use my Magician only for Navi with a bluetooth gps-receiver so I need a ROM only with WM2003, Bluetooth and a Tool to see the actual Power-Status on the Home-Screen.
I also would make the minimal Settings, for Example PowerSave.
Not needed are all the Mobile Office and GSM Features.
It`s not absolutely needed that the ROM is in German and I hope there is anyone who can help me.
thx & greatz,
mobi
Just install a German 1.13 ROM without an Extended ROM. I would suggest a 1.13 ROM with Bigstorage since you get more free RAM.
Check this sticky on how to upgrade: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=247994
Regards,
Keeper
I think this would be a solution to get more free ram, but with this there are still too much tools (mobile office, ...) on the magician I`ll never need.
So is there also another solution (ROM) with the minimum I need ?
I think that you're a little bit confused...all tools are installed via Extended ROM. There's no "mobile office" or any other tool on the Windows Mobile 2003 SE himself, except the Operating system tools (which you shouldn't remove). So, unless you want to start removing the system files (alarm clock, battery manager, wallpapers, etc) there's not much else what you can strip out from a standard ROM...
I think that you should start reading the link that i pointed you...
Q: Why do you need to strip out everything? Ain't 57mb enough for storing and running your Navi program
If it ain't enough then you should consider buying a new pda like the TYTYN II...(256mb rom; 128 ram).
Keeper
How i can delete Programms or any kind of Files, that are included in a ROM that i dont need. For example the Polaris Project is awesome, fast and stable ROM, but many Programms total Rubbish for an normal User and waste of Memory.
There must be a way to delete Rom included Files. i mean Unistall Programms
oh my dear
there is no way to remove software from your ppc which flash in a rom.
but you can cook a rom in your liking style.
how to cook a Rom, any Guide here...
i want the same Rom as i mentioned from Polaris Project, how i can edit this Rom or cook
hmm.. not for the faint hearted cooking roms.. be interested to see how you go.
First things first - BACKUP EVERYTHING!
i am sorry for that .
to edit a rom needs some software .
i read the way to edit rom in a china form ,the softwares are in chinese.
i don;t know where to find the english verson
I want to flash my Elfin with any WM 6.5 ROM. But the problem is, there are a *lot* of them in the wild, and I'm confused.
In http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=541886, you can see a bar at the bottom which is absent in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426540. Also, in the first one, the start menu is shifted to the bottom.
I'm looking for a simple WM 6.5 ROM with the *least* modifications done to it.
Any recommendations?
Also, is WM6.5 good to use *without* M2D?
First, windows mobile 6.5 is now a very 'loose' build, which means Microsoft just works on the builds and release them as and when they like it and along the way, they work on new BETA features. Or features which do not work well.
Some of the builds have start buttons at the bottom because Microsoft changed some of the features of it (Again, its Microsoft issue).
Do be reminded that Windows Mobile Official 6.5 is not out yet.
Hmmm, thanks for the reply. I have another question.
When I hard reset my phone, M2D, and other M2D components like Audio Manager, HTC Album, Phone Canvas etc. is retained.
When I dump my rom following this guide http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Elf_HowtoDumpRom, will all that stuff be there in the backup? I.e., if I want to flash this backup, will the M2D etc be flashed with it?
If not, is there a way to backup the whole thing? I'm not talking about the apps I install. I'm talking about M2D etc. which are in my ROM since I bought it. Since they are retained even after a hard reset, I guess there must be a way to back them up along with the ROM.
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Hmmm, thanks for the reply. I have another question.
When I hard reset my phone, M2D, and other M2D components like Audio Manager, HTC Album, Phone Canvas etc. is retained.
When I dump my rom following this guide http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Elf_HowtoDumpRom, will all that stuff be there in the backup? I.e., if I want to flash this backup, will the M2D etc be flashed with it?
If not, is there a way to backup the whole thing? I'm not talking about the apps I install. I'm talking about M2D etc. which are in my ROM since I bought it. Since they are retained even after a hard reset, I guess there must be a way to back them up along with the ROM.
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evn manila is available as standalone package dude
n wm 6.5 roms
i.e. a touch of 6.5 n onyx rom r working great
stable too
dnt bother n upgrade to any higher rom
just remember to hardspl with 3.10/3.14 n enjoy amy rom here6.1/6.5
wm 6.5 wth manila
hiee
just forgot to mention
manila 2d works on wm 6.5 too
bt u wll lv it without manila
I understand M2D works standalone, but I was just thinking that would the M2D etc which is cooked into my rom be dumped when I dump my rom?
Also, can someone direct me to a guide for HSPL? I found one on this website but it's confusing.
Okay guys, I need some replies fast .
Question:
If I dump my ROM using this method (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Elf_HowtoDumpRom), then *will* the M2D, Audio Manager etc be backed up with it? I think they should, because they were 'cooked' into the ROM, i.e. if I hard reset, they are retained.
...No one?
Well, rom dumping is quite hard.
What? This (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Elf_HowtoDumpRom) process was pretty simple. But do you know the answer to my question?
If I dump my ROM using this method (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index...f_HowtoDumpRom), then *will* the M2D, Audio Manager etc be backed up with it? I think they should, because they were 'cooked' into the ROM, i.e. if I hard reset, they are retained.
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cyanide911 said:
I want to flash my Elfin with any WM 6.5 ROM. But the problem is, there are a *lot* of them in the wild, and I'm confused.
In http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=541886, you can see a bar at the bottom which is absent in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426540. Also, in the first one, the start menu is shifted to the bottom.
I'm looking for a simple WM 6.5 ROM with the *least* modifications done to it.
Any recommendations?
Also, is WM6.5 good to use *without* M2D?
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If you want to do the right thing do it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426540
I've installed in my ELF and works very well!!!!
remove ALL unnecessary apps... JUST leave the Windows OS and don't put themes, make it ALL original Windows OS...
if the app can be installed in the storage card, why do you have to include it in your cooking?
i don't know what's the purpose of cooking roms if it doesn't make the phone faster, better and LIGHTER!
more MEMORY - the most important thing.
if i have the time i will learn how to cook the LIGHTEST ROM ever.
thts goood.i also want such a rom. by the way i say i dnt like all winmo 6.5.1 roms due to one mistake..thts the htc notifications..i cant think a reason why its needed wen microsoft implemented its own more beautiful method chefs plx do a clean rom
light as a feather??? lighter than air???
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remove ALL unnecessary apps... JUST leave the Windows OS and don't put themes, make it ALL original Windows OS...
if the app can be installed in the storage card, why do you have to include it in your cooking?
i don't know what's the purpose of cooking roms if it doesn't make the phone faster, better and LIGHTER!
more MEMORY - the most important thing.
if i have the time i will learn how to cook the LIGHTEST ROM ever.
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I fully agree with TheRem!!!! we can find and install our own softies (appz/gamez) why include them then??? Why don't we hold a contest for the chefs in cooking the lightest functioning rOm???? anybody listening???
Great
Yeah listening to u all from months iam working on this thing i have made many lite roms but before releasing i want to have a perfect rom with latest com 8 build but com 8 is giving prob so fixing and com 6 works perfect but its beta expires. Discussing with other chiefs xirxes iam trying to solve the problem.
yes i to would like a lite rom!
i would love that
thats what ive been lokin for the lats month..
please chefs do a really clean rom :
no m2d (it can be install... an imo titanium rocks)
no opera (someone might prefffer ie)
no registry editors (right now i got two in my opal the ona that cames whit my rom and the one i preffer)
no office... (not everybody uses it)
whe can get all that!
dont now what else can be remove... ehhh
google maps
indows market place
etc...
thanks
Check Nguoc's build 21612, VERY LITE BUILD at
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4544948&postcount=1
rocaesteban said:
thats what ive been lokin for the lats month..
please chefs do a really clean rom :
no m2d (it can be install... an imo titanium rocks)
no opera (someone might prefffer ie)
no registry editors (right now i got two in my opal the ona that cames whit my rom and the one i preffer)
no office... (not everybody uses it)
whe can get all that!
dont now what else can be remove... ehhh
google maps
indows market place
etc...
thanks
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bingo
i found this... well didnt "found" its on the new threads
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=597041
check it out
nguoc's rom is lighter that jagan2's...
jagan2's lite rom STILL includes:
office
adobe reader
jblend
youtube
and some problems too...
thank for the advice
TheRem said:
nguoc's rom is lighter that jagan2's...
jagan2's lite rom STILL includes:
office
adobe reader
jblend
youtube
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i think office youtube and adobe reader are basic apps, because windows whiiout office (even windows mobile) is not windows imo.
thanks anyway man right now im triying different roms.... tomorrow ill try (downloading today) nguoc`s very lite rom.
does it have manilla?