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universal fails to start sometimes

Hi,
I'm very happy with my universal (wifi and vga in pocketsize) only one thing is driving me crazy.
every, say once in 10 times the universal won't start when I press the power button. (after it turning off automatically after a few minutes when on battery power). Worse yet, it doesn't accept phonecalls and smses anymore either..so it already crashed silently. Unfortunately you can't see this from the outside since the lights still flash. I only notice it crashed when trying to start the device.
I've updated to wm6 because I thought it was a wm5 issue, but it wouldn't help. I also updated to radio 1.13 (the orange radio stack as found on this site). But this too, didn't fix it.
does anybody else have the same problem?? This problem renders my whole device unuseful. =^(
thanks!
Reinier

Welcome to the club...looks like no solution on this one yet. Here is a link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=272938
Some say it might be incompatibility with the SD card, but not in my case.

Hi,
that doesn't sound too good.
Anyhow, I'll experiment with it some more (what else can one do?) to see what is making it crash more or less (wifi/sdcard/simcard/battery?)
I'll post my findings... maybe we can find some mutual thing which might be causing it
I doubt it is software related since my whole machine is wiped clean and has nothing on it
R

yes, me too...and it seems to get worst as time goes by...anyways, I suggest that if you have any warranty left to send it back for warranty. GOodluck!

thats a pretty good point... ;^)
I'll check.
too bad it's quite vague description:
yes, sometimes it doesn't powerup..
you can already see the technicians there... they try it 4 times, it works everytime (of course) , and they send it back with a sticker saying 'correct'
ah well.... lets not get ahead of time.
r

Solutn found...check your PM

Check battery charge level

hi, i didn´t experienced that problem, but when i start up my device, sometimes, the start-up is really slow and the screen gets white but finally, i mena 2 or 3 seconds´ time it becomes normal.
Is that what experienced?
clemsyn said:
Solutn found...check your PM
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What do u mean with PM?
DId u get the solution?
See ya folks

Solution
Check you PM means check ur private messages
A fellow here with the same problems sent his device for repair and the problem was voltage control unit of mainboard
Solution:
1. Install Pocket Hack Master and go to settings and disable the CPU scaling of the device. Then set it to start at startup. Then clock your device at 312 mhz before turning off the device or closing the clamshell. You can always clock it to 520 while using cpu intensive applications. Just make sure to set it at 312 before turning it off.

thank you buddy

Jumanji1212
Did it also work for you? I forgot to add that I am also using an external charger specifically for Universal because Im afraid charging it via miniusb might mess up the voltage control unit more.

Well, i normally charge it with the ac/dc adaptor but not always. Since i deleted spb diary today plug-in and installed the latest qtek spanish rom and radio, the time of the white-screen shorten.

clemsyn said:
Check you PM means check ur private messages
A fellow here with the same problems sent his device for repair and the problem was voltage control unit of mainboard
Solution:
1. Install Pocket Hack Master and go to settings and disable the CPU scaling of the device. Then set it to start at startup. Then clock your device at 312 mhz before turning off the device or closing the clamshell. You can always clock it to 520 while using cpu intensive applications. Just make sure to set it at 312 before turning it off.
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Hello, I have the same problem (Power button does not start after an auto sleep).
My qtek 9000 however gives a blank screen when playing with the PHM speed tests. (When it is plugged in it works.)
Now I am a little afraid to do the "set it to start at startup"
Is there no risk it will never startup anymore?
Can I do this (temporaly) just for testing without the auto startup option?
So: disable CPU scaling and set the speed on 312 and put it in sleep mode.
I need my Qtek so badly that I get horribly stressed with this kind of things.
Huib

Loosing the will to live!

Hi Guys
Been having the usual "Turn on" problem with my TyTN since having it, you know, very occasionaly - maybe once a week - you try to turn it from the button on the side and it wont. No matter what you do it stays off and you have to soft-reset.
Well, over the past few weeks its been getting MUCH worse. Im now resorting to rebooting the phone maybe 8 or 9 times a day! I have tried various diferent ROMS and the same issue keeps occuring. I've also checked the ROMS threads to see if anyone else has had this problem as severe as me and they haven't.
I REALLY like my TyTN and don't want to be forced into buying a new phone with the Ultimates just down the roads.
Any ideas???
Thanks in advance!
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Current build (remember, tried with a few diferent ROMS):
Crossbow Prof
CE OS 5.2.1236 (build 17741.0.2.1) = LVSW build
ROM: 3.30.0.1
Date: 17/4/07
Radio:1.41.00.10
Proto: 32.74.7020.18H

Monty Burns said:
Hi Guys
Been having the usual "Turn on" problem with my TyTN since having it, you know, very occasionaly - maybe once a week - you try to turn it from the button on the side and it wont. No matter what you do it stays off and you have to soft-reset.
Well, over the past few weeks its been getting MUCH worse. Im now resorting to rebooting the phone maybe 8 or 9 times a day! I have tried various diferent ROMS and the same issue keeps occuring. I've also checked the ROMS threads to see if anyone else has had this problem as severe as me and they haven't.
I REALLY like my TyTN and don't want to be forced into buying a new phone with the Ultimates just down the roads.
Any ideas???
Thanks in advance!
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Current build (remember, tried with a few diferent ROMS):
Crossbow Prof
CE OS 5.2.1236 (build 17741.0.2.1) = LVSW build
ROM: 3.30.0.1
Date: 17/4/07
Radio:1.41.00.10
Proto: 32.74.7020.18H
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The problem is you have told us nothing about what is running whether you leave it to sleep by itself what's on the today plugins whether you have active sync turned off (ie set to manual) etc etc etc and which of the freezing fixes you have tried. Whether your plugins are on sd card whether it freezes with sd card not inserted etc etc.
Mike

right o' ... get your laughing gear round this
I let it "sleep" itself.
Im running:
Activesync (Exchange push mail - no pattern discovered with regards to receiving new emails)
SPB Weather (Today plugin)
Everything else is standard.
Connecting over 3g/HSDPA
There are other apps installed but these are always "closed" after being used. All apps are installed to the phone memory and not SD card - i've never tried without the card, guess I will try this now! Although, if this is the problem, how do I get around it???? I need my card.

Monty Burns said:
right o' ... get your laughing gear round this
I let it "sleep" itself.
Im running:
Activesync (Exchange push mail - no pattern discovered with regards to receiving new emails)
SPB Weather (Today plugin)
Everything else is standard.
Connecting over 3g/HSDPA
There are other apps installed but these are always "closed" after being used. All apps are installed to the phone memory and not SD card - i've never tried without the card, guess I will try this now! Although, if this is the problem, how do I get around it???? I need my card.
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Well I can see why you kept those things secret. If someone asked me to compile a list of things more or less guaranteed to cause freezing and refusal to turn on, I think I'd give 'em a link to your setup!!
If you must have push mail (that requires active sync to be active) and weather applications then you will likely continue to have problems.
You may be able to reduce the number of them by NOT allowing device to sleep by itself. I have mine set to never sleep. However I do always use the on/off button when finished.
It's fine to have applications that require connection to internet and today plugins on main memory BUT others should be on SD card. The reason is that running low on main memory (and not even that low!) can cause freezing.
PIE can rack up loads of storage memory - can move storage to card.
Regularly run a third party clean out application.
Mike
PS. resisted the urge to get my laughing gear out. Think I was in shock actually. You could consider writing a "how not to setup your Hermes" guide.

mikechannon said:
Well I can see why you kept those things secret. If someone asked me to compile a list of things more or less guaranteed to cause freezing and refusal to turn on, I think I'd give 'em a link to your setup!!
If you must have push mail (that requires active sync to be active) and weather applications then you will likely continue to have problems.
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Why would these apps cause it to lock up? One comes with the operating system and one connects to the net once a day. Surley Outlook can't be that unstable as to cause lockups on average every two hours. I doubt SPB Weather is that unstable as well!
Yes, I must have push email. Why waste battery power polling every thirty minutes or so with pull email?
The memory card is going back in. I took it out, went to Sainsburys and BAM its locked again
I will now try the "no auto sleep" thing and see how that goes so thanks for that suggestion.

i had problems like these with my Tytn and eventually upgraded to WM6 (Black 2.5). It really made a difference. Much faster, never freezes and battery life is better.
Severe fix I know but worth considering

mikechannon said:
.....You may be able to reduce the number of them by NOT allowing device to sleep by itself. I have mine set to never sleep. However I do always use the on/off button when finished. .......
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TOTALLY agree with you there Mike. I was having some real issues with the "coma" effect once the device has automatically gone into sleep mode, this wa admittedly on the original HTC ROM, and was caused by pocketzenphone however since I have (without fail) set the device to NEVER switch off automatically and have got into the good habit of using the on/off button liberally.

warmkiwi99 said:
i had problems like these with my Tytn and eventually upgraded to WM6 (Black 2.5). It really made a difference. Much faster, never freezes and battery life is better.
Severe fix I know but worth considering
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See my orginial post Crossbow
It has! Sadly though it was still "sleeping".
However, i have taken it out of auto sleep and put it to manual, guess what .... been a couple of hours now and NO lockup! Yay!

Monty Burns said:
Why would these apps cause it to lock up? One comes with the operating system and one connects to the net once a day. Surley Outlook can't be that unstable as to cause lockups on average every two hours. I doubt SPB Weather is that unstable as well!
Yes, I must have push email. Why waste battery power polling every thirty minutes or so with pull email?
The memory card is going back in. I took it out, went to Sainsburys and BAM its locked again
I will now try the "no auto sleep" thing and see how that goes so thanks for that suggestion.
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Even official applications are not immune from problems. The Hermes perhaps for some configurational reasons (though it's not just Hermes)does not like running active sync from sleep mode and it does not like running other applications that require syncing (eg. weather type ones).
Active Sync is not a particularly stable app and combine this with the Hermes weakness when being allowed to sleep by itself and you end up with a lock-up. (I have seen some explanations for this but only guess work and theories)
Many people have set their devices up to run active sync in manual mode only and this does help to reduce freezing. Of course you cannot do this with push mail enabled. (It might be possible to run some script or a scheduler programme to start and stop Active sync at set times - though the complexities here are as likely to cause a freeze as anything else!!
I am pleased your SD card seems not to be the cause - it can be for some.
I see you are possibly getting some benefit from a manual shut down rather than auto sleep
You may find the odd other idea on my site - freezing/lockups:
http://michael-channon.spaces.live.com
There is a thread here somewhere but i'd need to search for the thread.
You could also try doing without the weather app for a test. However you may not see a difference as active sync is already running for the mail.
Mike

Monty Burns said:
See my orginial post Crossbow
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Sorry, didn't notice that......

Hi Mike
Turning off the auto sleep thingy has worked a treat. I'm down to one reboot a day now and that has been related to t-mobiles 3g network failure collapse me thinks
So this tip alone is worth its weight in gold!
SPB Weather is running and so is Activesync/push email.
Also now added today plugins:
RhinoStats (CPU/memory monitor - realtime)
RhinoLaunch (custom program launcher)
All seems pukka and "coma" free

Good news, pleased things have improved.
Of course I suppose we could all agree auto sleep should not cause the device to go into a "coma", but still, I've got used to just using the on/off button. Curiously this has improved my battery life as I turn off as soon as I finish, rather than waiting for it to turn itself off (which it won't anyway as I disabled that mode).
Mike

Monty Burns said:
right o' ... get your laughing gear round this
I let it "sleep" itself.
Im running:
Activesync (Exchange push mail - no pattern discovered with regards to receiving new emails)
SPB Weather (Today plugin)
Everything else is standard.
Connecting over 3g/HSDPA
There are other apps installed but these are always "closed" after being used. All apps are installed to the phone memory and not SD card - i've never tried without the card, guess I will try this now! Although, if this is the problem, how do I get around it???? I need my card.
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I'll share my experience so that maybe it will help. I use WM6 on my 8525 and have found the "unable to wake" problem to be related to my SPB Mobile Shell. When I have the phone set to display SPB Mobile Shell's "Now Screen" upon wakeup, it quite often will not wake. But if I manually put the phone to "sleep" mode, then it will always pop alive fine. Disabling the Now Screen all together leaves me no problem. My guess is maybe it's an SPB issue. So maybe SPB Weather is causing it. I used to use SPB Weather before Mobile Shell, but since Shell has weather built in, I don't need SBP Weather any longer.
Hope this helps diagnose the problem a bit. For the record, I never had a wakeup problem with WM5.

Since going to black 2.5 and then 3.0 I have not had any of the sleep issues.
I run SPB Weather which is set to update every 5 hours, I run activesync to the exchange server which checks emails every 2 hours. My phone auto-offs after 3 minutes.
I did have AS set to When it arrives - but found this to be bad for battery and also stability. Every ten minutes was fine when I needed more urgency. All programs are installed to the phone, exept pie cache and outlook attachments which are on the card. I have not done any special tricks to avoid any sleep/card problems.

No working sound and more....

It has been a long time ago that I bought a new toy with so many problems as this little b**&^^rd.
Now, already three times, I did not have any sound at all.
I do not remeber what complains there were (No driver installed? No sound card?) And I do not feel the energy to find out.
After a restart (which is always quickly done in maximum 4 minutes and I am becoming quite good in finding other things to do when waiting for this and that) the sound is back.
Till now my disappointment only consists of:
1. This sound problem
2. Resume problems in low power settings
3 SD card not being recognized, randomly
4. Shift control centre sometimes crashing, or not working at all.
5. Origami crashing, or not working, or only partionally.
6. Bad performance of my VLC player
7. And whatever anybody can find on this forum.
Anyway.. I am trying to transfer info from my MacBook into my new Macbook Air and that also hangs all the time, resetting the connection etc etc.
So it's not only Vista that makes me alcoholic
I think I grab a large bottle of.....
Huib

herpi said:
It has been a long time ago that I bought a new toy with so many problems as this little b**&^^rd.
Now, already three times, I did not have any sound at all.
I do not remeber what complains there were (No driver installed? No sound card?) And I do not feel the energy to find out.
After a restart (which is always quickly done in maximum 4 minutes and I am becoming quite good in finding other things to do when waiting for this and that) the sound is back.
Till now my disappointment only consists of:
1. This sound problem
2. Resume problems in low power settings
3 SD card not being recognized, randomly
4. Shift control centre sometimes crashing, or not working at all.
5. Origami crashing, or not working, or only partionally.
6. Bad performance of my VLC player
7. And whatever anybody can find on this forum.
Anyway.. I am trying to transfer info from my MacBook into my new Macbook Air and that also hangs all the time, resetting the connection etc etc.
So it's not only Vista that makes me alcoholic
I think I grab a large bottle of.....
Huib
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Sounds familiar (forgive the pun). Not had your problems but I'm reaching the end of a bottle of wine that I opened 45 minutes ago whileunistalling SP1 which caused me endless troubles. Did you install SP1?

trend micro the culprit
If you did the vista sp1 upgrade you must uninstall trend micro antivirus from your system. It is not compatible with sp1 and breaks all of the items you mentioned.
I had the same problem - uninstalled and rebooted, all fixed.

jsp1 said:
If you did the vista sp1 upgrade you must uninstall trend micro antivirus from your system. It is not compatible with sp1 and breaks all of the items you mentioned.
I had the same problem - uninstalled and rebooted, all fixed.
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I did not install Trend, neither do I have any other antivirus program.
But thx anyway for the hint.
Huib

herpi said:
It has been a long time ago that I bought a new toy with so many problems as this little b**&^^rd.
Now, already three times, I did not have any sound at all.
I do not remeber what complains there were (No driver installed? No sound card?) And I do not feel the energy to find out.
After a restart (which is always quickly done in maximum 4 minutes and I am becoming quite good in finding other things to do when waiting for this and that) the sound is back.
Till now my disappointment only consists of:
1. This sound problem
2. Resume problems in low power settings
3 SD card not being recognized, randomly
4. Shift control centre sometimes crashing, or not working at all.
5. Origami crashing, or not working, or only partionally.
6. Bad performance of my VLC player
7. And whatever anybody can find on this forum.
Anyway.. I am trying to transfer info from my MacBook into my new Macbook Air and that also hangs all the time, resetting the connection etc etc.
So it's not only Vista that makes me alcoholic
I think I grab a large bottle of.....
Huib
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1. Sound is not working if you have problems with WM. Is WM working OK?
2. Same here
3. Same here
4. When is this? After you use a button?
5. Which powerplan do you use?
6. You must use the Performance power plan to get it working OK

display quirk?
Display quirk?
I recognized that the brightness of the start screen of Snapvue is irregular. Shouldn't it be pitch black? But across the screen I have got sort of a big grayish egg. Or: a big oval part is much lighter than the rest of the start screen in Snapvue. If I go into a menu which is basically white then the irregularity disappears.
Is this a common thing? Or is it just a quirk of my Shift?
Can I change the start screen having liberated the Shift (first steps), not changing to Realvga, I don't know if I have the courage to do that.
Thanks!
S

michael85 said:
1. Sound is not working if you have problems with WM. Is WM working OK?
2. Same here
3. Same here
4. When is this? After you use a button?
5. Which powerplan do you use?
6. You must use the Performance power plan to get it working OK
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1: I am not using WM. But as far as I can see Snapvue working OK. No SIM card however. The sound not working occurs absolutely randomly, but I suspect a little bit the interaction between Origami and WMP. Could be the powerplan, but still....
2. I know, that's solved ( more or less but no more use of low power possible = shorter battery life).
3. I do not know what you mean, and what the realtion is between Vista and WM, I thought the SD card is not recognized by WM at all. I am talking about the SD card randomly dissappering when in Vista. Sometimes after suspend. etc. See that thread.
4. I cannot force this problem with Shift control centre. So no idea when.
5. Different powerplans. I combine them. I will do new research wit Origami only using the fastes power plan. ( If I have time)
6. I tried everything with VLC. It is not a huge problem and also randomly. But in full screen it plays irregularely. I know VLC is not the fastest of all, but still.
I suspect it is Vista doing all kind of things ( Indexing I shut of from the first day) randomly, preventing VLC to play correctly.
When I let it rest for a long time VLC performs better.
VLC working flawlessly or not, is not related to any powerplan or battery use. Tested all combinations. So, when it is working nice, I pull the power supply; put it on low power, and it keeps working nice.
It is all quite disappointing, and I am not an easy complainer.
Huib

Had the same problems with the VLC. I updated the video driver and it helped a significant amount. From unwatchable in full screen mode to at the least bearable.

carsany said:
Had the same problems with the VLC. I updated the video driver and it helped a significant amount. From unwatchable in full screen mode to at the least bearable.
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Could you do me a favour and tell me in steps how I can upgrade the video driver?
I am not quite good in those things.
Huib

carsany said:
Had the same problems with the VLC. I updated the video driver and it helped a significant amount. From unwatchable in full screen mode to at the least bearable.
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Strange... I do not see any difference after updating.
But my VLC is doing reasonably well, only in full screen it sometimes gets hickups.
Which version do you use? I have 0.8.6.e, and I understood there is already an f.
Huib

no sound
hey The sound bug is easily fixed, just open the device manager on the vista side of course, go to sound and on the plugin window it will say that it works but it didnt in my case, all I did was disable it wait a couple of minutes and then enable it again... hope it works for you

herpi said:
It has been a long time ago that I bought a new toy with so many problems as this little b**&^^rd.
Now, already three times, I did not have any sound at all.
I do not remeber what complains there were (No driver installed? No sound card?) And I do not feel the energy to find out.
After a restart (which is always quickly done in maximum 4 minutes and I am becoming quite good in finding other things to do when waiting for this and that) the sound is back.
Till now my disappointment only consists of:
1. This sound problem
2. Resume problems in low power settings
3 SD card not being recognized, randomly
4. Shift control centre sometimes crashing, or not working at all.
5. Origami crashing, or not working, or only partionally.
6. Bad performance of my VLC player
7. And whatever anybody can find on this forum.
Anyway.. I am trying to transfer info from my MacBook into my new Macbook Air and that also hangs all the time, resetting the connection etc etc.
So it's not only Vista that makes me alcoholic
I think I grab a large bottle of.....
Huib
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try a different power outlet or a protective powerconnector, sounds like wrong voltage to me, also the mac issue

sebastiaanmeloen said:
try a different power outlet or a protective powerconnector, sounds like wrong voltage to me, also the mac issue
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Weel,
is is already a long time ago.
My Shift is over and out. It never worked properly.
But hte Mac?
I have a Macbook air with 128 GB SSD.
Works like a charm.
Windows is over and out for a long time already.
Huib

herpi said:
Weel,
is is already a long time ago.
My Shift is over and out. It never worked properly.
But hte Mac?
I have a Macbook air with 128 GB SSD.
Works like a charm.
Windows is over and out for a long time already.
Huib
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ur always welcome to send me your old shift

sebastiaanmeloen said:
ur always welcome to send me your old shift
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I gave it to the kids in my old, small, village, here in Romania.
They use it for skype and internet browsing. ( a 1400 euro tool)
Sorry......
Huib

POLL: Does Vista SP1 work on your Shift?

Ok,
So a while ago I installed SP1 on my Shift, but I was having some issues with it and at the time I didn't have the time to attempt to resolve them so I rolled it back out again.
So, now that I've more time again, I'm thinking about giving it another go but beforehand I'd like to see what the user communities experience is.
If you had problems with SP1, but eventually overcame them, please post what you did here, so that we can collate together everything for an SP1 advice thread!
Regards,
Dave

I voted 'Other'.
I haven't tried installing it yet, after seeing many reported problems. My Shift works well now, so I'll wait for developments.

Sticky?
Hi,
maybe you should do this as a sticky, as it slowly rolls out of sight, although I think it is quite interesting to know the experiences of others.
S.

I installed SP1, reinstalled the network and the control centre. I had just one issue - the SIM data connection kept bombing out in Vista. I couldn't find a solution for this, and found it unbearable, so I reverted back to SP1.
I'm keen on installing SP1 for the second time just to see if the second installation manages not to have the problem...

i've installed sp1 rc2 (i think) because in italian sp1 is out from 2 days.
and everything work very good.
shift goes more stable no kind of issue. didn't reinstall control center or other driver.
when 2 days ago official sp1 was released. i've uninstalled rc2. used shift withouth kind of sp, and work very slowly, in boot, on internet on files transmission.
installed official sp1, and everithing goes very well!!

pitt1983 said:
i've installed sp1 rc2 (i think) because in italian sp1 is out from 2 days.
and everything work very good.
shift goes more stable no kind of issue. didn't reinstall control center or other driver.
when 2 days ago official sp1 was released. i've uninstalled rc2. used shift withouth kind of sp, and work very slowly, in boot, on internet on files transmission.
installed official sp1, and everithing goes very well!!
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Same here didn't try the RC versions but did go with the released version from windows update, so far no problems and its been used daily for a few weeks

I've now installed SP1, it may have made the Shift a little snappier, but it has broken 'suspend'. I rarely use suspend anyway, so I can live with it for now.

I installed SP1, which finished without a problem. Once the machine rebooted, though, the boot process would not go beyond the spinning circle on the startup screen.
Solution: Fn + F3...
Let's see what happens when I install SP1 right away.

Pantaloonie said:
I've now installed SP1, it may have made the Shift a little snappier, but it has broken 'suspend'. I rarely use suspend anyway, so I can live with it for now.
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I take it all back, I'm now having all sorts of connectivity problems, shagctrl crashes regularly, a lot of things break after using hibernate or suspend (which now magically works), so I'm now restoring a pre-sp1 backup.

Pantaloonie said:
I take it all back, I'm now having all sorts of connectivity problems, shagctrl crashes regularly, a lot of things break after using hibernate or suspend (which now magically works), so I'm now restoring a pre-sp1 backup.
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why you have those problems and me no?
i think that shift and vista must be the same, or not?

I tried it again, and all seems well this time...
I do not really understand why though...
grtz,
Pfeffa-rah

Pfeffa-rah said:
I tried it again, and all seems well this time...
I do not really understand why though...
grtz,
Pfeffa-rah
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mah, idon't know why. depends on various installation..

My first installation of SP1 had connectivity and perfomance problems.
So I rolled back to the pre SP1 restore point and everthing worked perfectlly again.
Then I plucked up the courage to install SP1 again, and this time around it hardly has any connectivity problems (especially in high performance power mode), and runs faster too (due to SP1 not due to the high performance mode).
So I am happy this time to keep SP1 installed.
I have one problem remaining however. Since installing SP1, sleep and suspend crash vista on restart. This is a pain. I see on this site that others are suffering from 'suspend' problems, and there is known solution at present.
My question is, are any SP1'ers able to restart after sleeping and hibernating?
If that is the case, then I might reinstall SP1 a third time to see if I can get a sleep-capable SP1 installation.

I haven't yet installed SP1 but I've suspended problem since the first day
So at the moment I use hibernate to turn off my Shift and it works with no problems.

I'm still waiting for the Chinese Version SP1 to be released............
Hope it can be downloaded in May

Today I try to click the Windows Update and there is a Vista SP1 for my Chinese Version to update. I just click & download it and install it.
Everything works fine except the Control Centre crashed.
Finally, I try to go to C:\Program Files\HTC\Control\Setup.exe
After the installation, the Control Centre can work now.

After update to SP1, I use crystalmark to test the performance. The result is a bit better than before.........

My experience installing SP1
Hi,
I initially had huge amounts of problems, and kept getting Vista backing out SP1. I tried everything under the sub, disk check, sfc, memory check, etc, etc from the MS suggestions (no wonder!).
I finally got it working! The trick is to apply the SP1 immediately after you first boot the device (and after all the HTC gear is loaded on it).
This is what I did (of course after it failed a few times, cos I installed some software before SP1).
Note: While there is no risk in doing this, as it is HTC build, I don't offer any warranty, this is just my own experiences.
2. Download the Windows Vista SP1 Stand-alone package from the MS web site (~450MB). I prefer this one because if you stuff it up, you dont have to wait for Windows Update to download again. Can be found at:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...6D-5EBB-413B-89C9-CB3D06D12674&displaylang=en
2. Back-up all of your data, as the next step will kill all data on your HTC and return to what it was like when you bought it out of the box. Disconnect all network connections, and disable the 3G (comm manager in WinMo6, Flight mode).
3. Turn on the device and immediately press Fn-F3. You will be prompted to re-install everything. That is, there is a hidden partition on the HDD which contains a "ghost" of the original Vista and software that was loaded on it.
4. Once you have gone through the re-insall (takes about 45-60mins), you will then follow the HTC and other software installs. Do all of the installs until it is completed. Dont connect network and certainly dont do Windows Update
5. Run the EXE SP1 package you downloaded in Step 1. It takes a very long time, about 60-90 mins in total, so be patient. Even if you think its hung, be patient, it usually keeps going. I would wait about 2-3 hours before concluding that it has hung.
6. Once this is done, load Vista, goto Windows Update and do the rest of the updates. You may need to run Windows update a couple of times to fully update the system.
Hope this provides some help and reduce the MS pain!
PS: I kill Windows Vista enhancements to boost performance, Right Click My Computer, Click on Advanced System Settings, Advanced > Performance > Settings, Select Custom and uncheck all of the items in the list. Funny enough, Vista will look like and feel like XP.
My device now uses about 500MB RAM at boot-up, and still runs reasonably fast even with anti-virus crap on it.
Have fun, I know I did (not).

After testing with SP1 for a couple of days, I found that the USB Tool cannot work properly. It disconnects all the time......

Trying your method of upgrading to SP1, will report results after test, thanks

Leo stuck after charging the battery over night

Hi guys,
I'm having this problem, which has happend twice already and it's
really annoying.
I left my phone charging the battery overnight and when I came back the next
morning I could not activate the screen.
When pressing any of the buttons the backlight of the button line
turns on for a few seconds but the screen remains black.
The only solution is to do the "soft" reset BUT doing so results in the HARD RESET which means you are screwed without a backup.
Before charging, the battery was about 57% full, I can't think of any application that could be interferring with the charging process (but what do I know). The last time this happened was about 2 weeks ago.
I'm using the original 1.43.xx ROM.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

I've experienced the same with mine. now running it "software/addons free" and it seems to run fine. one of my customizations probably caused this...

how do you perform a "soft" reset and it turns into a hard reset?

lude219 said:
how do you perform a "soft" reset and it turns into a hard reset?
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I press the red button at the back or remove the battery.
Fatherboard said:
I've experienced the same with mine. now running it "software/addons free" and it seems to run fine. one of my customizations probably caused this...
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This phone lives from the customization, to abandon this option would
be a high price to pay.
Howevery, I only have few installed: 20 links at the home screen, 1% battery indicator.
The apps would be: flash light, power options, garmin mobile xt, sprite backup (luckily). Only the last two were installed when the problem occured for the first time. Also, these apps are not running in the background, so I can't imagin they somehow cause trouble after charging.

~Marty~ said:
I press the red button at the back or remove the battery.
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In this case you made a soft reset.
I experienced the issues after upgrading from 1.43 to 1.48. It turned out that I messed up some tweaks settingsinstalling and overinstalling some cabs which somehow (maybe to much beers) I tought that it will solve other issues.
Try tomake a hard reset and I would suggest to upgrade to 1.48 till a cooked one willbe available and stable.
Regards,
Seba

~Marty~ said:
This phone lives from the customization, to abandon this option would
be a high price to pay.
Howevery, I only have few installed: 20 links at the home screen, 1% battery indicator
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I'm not saying that you have to abandon all of these, but you do have to start doing some "elimination" process if your device has started to freeze/crash. install one program and test the device for a few days. if everything is ok - then install another program and retest.
I know this sounds like a job of a beta tester, but it seems that there's no other choice.
By far I can confirm that I have encountered the freeze after installing a customized taskbar and the 20 links .cab. maybe this is the cause, I don't know yet. People are spreading .cab files with no further insurance that these are 100% bugfree. we're still running a Windows platform, don't forget it.

Experiencing exactly the same problem here... But going into an elimation process by myself would take months, given the number of (very usefull) patch I have installed her. Let's begin elimination process... Tell me the apps you have installed, I'll tell you mine. Since we are experiencing the same problem, My guess is that only the patches we have in common can cause this problem.
I DON'T HAVE garmin mobile nor sprite backup, so they are not responsible.
PATCHES & APPS I HAVE
- 20 links at the home screen
- 1% battery indicator +++ (My guess, given the direct relation to the charing process)
- LED notifications
- power options 12 icons
- VolumeKeys-0.3 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=598997)
- 3D Driver Patch 1.1
Many many more, but let's start by theses ones... since they all run in the background