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http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/24/htc-lancaster-is-a-qwerty-slider-with-android-for-atandt/
i thinks thats twice as ugly as the G1
Yikes! 4 row keyboard, 240x320 res, chin just empty, looks like it doesn't have a trackball either. Although the red accents on the keyboard for the symbols is cool looking.
Only way it could look worse was if it had the keyboard color scheme from this
http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/24/htcs-warhawk-and-fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/
I never thought the G1 was ugly...
BSDADON said:
Yikes! 4 row keyboard, 240x320 res, chin just empty, looks like it doesn't have a trackball either. Although the red accents on the keyboard for the symbols is cool looking.
Only way it could look worse was if it had the keyboard color scheme from this
http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/24/htcs-warhawk-and-fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/
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yea, buts its pretty cool how that touch pro 2 has a seperate number pad, like a desktop,might give some people a homey feeling.
Actually, personally I thought the Lancaster looked very attractive, very sleek and smooth unlike the boxy G1. However, the feature set and specs on that thing, are terribly ugly. Tiny screen, no auto-focus, mediocre screen resolution, and no trackball? Maybe they have a capacitive mouse pad in place of the trackball like on the Helio Ocean 2.
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Actually, personally I thought the Lancaster looked very attractive, very sleek and smooth unlike the boxy G1. However, the feature set and specs on that thing, are terribly ugly. Tiny screen, no auto-focus, mediocre screen resolution, and no trackball? Maybe they have a capacitive mouse pad in place of the trackball like on the Helio Ocean 2.
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Thats how I felt, although I like the way the G1 looks (gotten used to). Kind of like wow look at this hot chick, I could see myself with her, etc, etc. Then she opens her mouth and it is a pile of sad. That is what the lancaster is to me, nice shell but the inside just kills it for me and makes it unattractive. Now give me a mediocre phone with good insides and you have my G1.
If they price it as an entry level phone (i.e. free or no more than $50 with contract), it could do very well and put android in a lot of people's hands.
AT&T? TRADERS!!!!!!!! lol i think its kinda HAWT Ive always liked the G1. people just ***** because its not as attractive as its competitors but Ive always liked HTC Hardware
I've always found the g1 to be quite smexy xD
I think that phone looks good, but I wouldn't get it due to lackluster specs.
Also, I have loved the G1 since it came out. Maybe I like it because it's quirky and ugly. Still, I think it looks great.
I would rather see a row of number keys on the keyboard. I like the G1's chin, protects the screen if you were to drop it
sarcasm or serious?
i think that phone is sexy, will trade with my G1!
I like it. Bad part it is ATT.
So one thing that bugs the living heck out of me is the lame touchscreen on my Nexus One... Does anyone know what touchscreen this phone is going to be using????
I can honestly say that's the SINGLE thing keeping me from thinking about ditching my N1 for this phone...
EDIT ADDON: I'm not talking about the display screen type, I'm trying to find out the manufacturer and model of the touchscreen used in the EVO 4G
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So one thing that bugs the living heck out of me is the lame touchscreen on my Nexus One... Does anyone know what touchscreen this phone is going to be using????
I can honestly say that's the SINGLE thing keeping me from thinking about ditching my N1 for this phone...
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I was wondering the same thing and posted this on another forum. I guess it is relevant here too.
I have been reading up on this a bit more and I don't think there is enough information yet to make a call on whether this is AMOLED or TFT LCD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnQcsC-qjpo
In this video at exactly 3:00, some representative (from Sprint or HTC?) specifically says that the display is a 4.3" TFT display and NOT AMOLED :
http://developer.sprint.com/site/global/develop/mobile_platforms/android/android.jsp
I also found this link in a thread on androidcentral.com which is a Sprint developers site that states the following:
Display
Type: amoled captive multi-touch
Size: 4.3 inches wga
Resolution: 800x480 (WVGA)
HDMI output: YES
I guess the verdict is still out on this issue unless someone else has anything to add.
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I have been reading up on this a bit more and I don't think there is enough information yet to make a call on whether this is AMOLED or TFT LCD.
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Oh, it's TFT like you hear the reps say in the videos, that's all over the place in the videos released just a couple days ago as you've already seen... it's a really really high quality TFT.. I just haven't been able to find out the Touchscreen yet.
For me, this is also the number one area of concern. My understanding is that the technology is quite different from iPhone's. It would be really good if they can have the accurate and predictable screen behaviour of iPhone's touchscreen. My guess is that iPhone has already patented their touchscreen technolgy so it would not be legal to copy it now.
Pretty much everywhere you look, and including the rep, its a TFT screen. The AMOLED was what many thought the "Supersonic" would have, but when the Evo was announced, it was said to be TFT.
But then, alot of people are saying TFT > AMOLED for practical use (sunlight issues). Sure you can bring up Super AMOLED, but I'm not sure HTC has the rights to use that technology yet.
My main concern is the accuracy of the touch screen manufactured by HTC.
See this report if you have not done so yet:
http://labs.moto.com/robot_touchscreen_analysis/
Yeah, condensed version for those at work:
ArsTechnica
But, with a screen that large - I doubt touchscreen performance will be lacking. Has anyone heard any issues with the HD2's touchscreen performance?
I have both the HD2 and the 3GS.
The HD2 touchscreen is crude compared to the iPhone.
On a web page, links often cannot be selected, and the keyboard is horrible to use despite the fact that is larger than the iphone's.
The keyboard responds to the last input detected. Touch a letter and as you move your finger away and brush another letter that is the one that is selected, which is a major hassle.
Also pinch & zoom is very limited on the HD2.
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Pretty much everywhere you look, and including the rep, its a TFT screen. The AMOLED was what many thought the "Supersonic" would have, but when the Evo was announced, it was said to be TFT.
But then, alot of people are saying TFT > AMOLED for practical use (sunlight issues). Sure you can bring up Super AMOLED, but I'm not sure HTC has the rights to use that technology yet.
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The original question isn't about the display screen. I don't care about TFT or AMOLED, I'm only taking about the touchscreen which has nothing to do with the display.
http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/clearpad
The current problems with basically all the current HTC phones is that they use a Synaptics 2000 touchscreen... The N1 has basically the same touch hardware as the G1 and all the current HTC phones... Frankly it sucks for a modern day "superphone", I say modern day smartphone that relies on touch for it's only input. It's sad that HTC/Google went with a inferior touchscreen compared to the iPhone which has been out for how many years already? Clearly for multitouch games and applications to work properly the Synaptics 2000 just won't cut it.
I'm hoping the EVO will move to the Synaptics 3000 screen which is true multitouch. That's what I'm trying to find out, what manufacturer and model is the touchscreen.
You can see a demo of the Synaptics 3000 in action here: http://vimeo.com/5739205
Ahhhh, true multitouch like the iPhone. I bet all the wackness I get when trying to type fast will go away with this. Oh, and the phone won't freak out if part of my hand is touching the side of the glass ever so slightly.
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The original question isn't about the display screen. I don't care about TFT or AMOLED, I'm only taking about the touchscreen which has nothing to do with the display.
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Wow.. Well thanks for the edit now, atleast. My apologies for not digging so deep into your question. I do know about the Synaptic screens, however, I do not know if the EVO is 2000 or 3000.
Again, I'm SO sorry for not understanding initially.
no worries, I just feel the need to spell everything out because, well it's the internet.
I hope a new kick butt Android phone comes out this year with true multitouch... I miss the iPhone quality a lot.
...That was supposed to be sarcasm, but oh well, glad we're all happy.
..Anyways, after a little digging, I found a rumor that Synaptics isn't doing the touchscreen for the Evo, Atmel is.
Could be bogus, but who knows.
Whew, more than I could find out which was/is nothing, LOL!
Being HTC has used Synaptics in all (From what I know) of the recent phones over the last 2yrs I find it hard they would go somewhere else... But hey, maybe Synaptics is asking too high of a price for the new 3000 screen... who knows..
That 4in 4G phone sure looks awesome though!
News article quote I found..
This little-known company (Atmel) supplies chips for the Apple iPad, according to the tech design consultancy Chipworks. Atmel has also taken business from another Under the Radar pick, Synaptics(SYNA), by supplying touch screens for HTC's new Evo device, according to Lazard Capital Markets.
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http://www.thestreet.com/story/10723835/1/ipad-boom-could-catapult-small-chipmaker.html
I've only played with the iPad at work, and not extensively, but the thing has a pretty dang good responsive touchscreen. Again, this is from 2-3 days of use, so not entirely sure.. But I've had little issues with it.
NICE FIND! I hope it's true, if so it sounds like the EVO may get the same quality as the iPhone....
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I think multitouch on a phone is over rated. It's an inconvenient gimmick. I prefer operations that can be done one handed. I'd rather double tap to zoom so I don't spill my coffee on my phone.
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News article quote I found..
http://www.thestreet.com/story/10723835/1/ipad-boom-could-catapult-small-chipmaker.html
I've only played with the iPad at work, and not extensively, but the thing has a pretty dang good responsive touchscreen. Again, this is from 2-3 days of use, so not entirely sure.. But I've had little issues with it.
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If the news is true that HTC Supersonic uses the same screen as iPhone, then I'll be extremely happy. Everyone knows iPhone still have the best touch screen technology, although that technology is 3 years old now. There as a robotic test done to compare the various screen. You should be able to google it and find the test report.
Manicmobileaddict said:
I think multitouch on a phone is over rated. It's an inconvenient gimmick. I prefer operations that can be done one handed. I'd rather double tap to zoom so I don't spill my coffee on my phone.
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I have to respectfully disagree with you.
Multitouch is fantastic if the software developers knows how to use it. My web browser in iPhone is an example of where multitouch has been put to good use. Double finger left to go the previous tab, double finger right to go the next tab, three fingers to bring up the favourites, etc, etc. On full screen, where you do not want any button to clutter the web page, such possibility is pure joy. Another example, you could have a music player where you can double finger left to go to previous song, double finger right to go to next song, three fingers up to use the next playlist, etc. You can safely use the music player like this while driving!
I guess I'll jump into the frey. The iPhone set the standard when there wasn't one. Apple has done a monumental job on it's portable devices, where, arguably, their computers could have had broader appeal - but I digress.
My HD2 has some very nice features, but it took me a month to get used to the capacitive screen, with and without the touch sensitivity tweaks available in the HD2 forum. The pinch to zoom functions work well in opera (I don't use PIE), but other applications, like media player are not suited for this functions, even though it works using a homegrown app posted on the HD2 forum.
I'm guessing the EVO will have the same, non AMOLED, TFT capacitive screen the HD2 has. I've seen the HD2 next to the iPhone in sunlight. iPhone absolutely blows the HD2 away, so I try my best to stay out of the light. I live in the NW US, so that's not usually a problem.
I've found the back hardkey button works nicely for previous browser or application screen, but lack of forward function in the browser is quite frustrating.
One last thing. In most states driving while using headphone is illegal. Please do so safely with one eye out for the police.
So I'm a bit confused here... The HTC Evo and HD2 have the same screen, yeah? So the HD2 has the amtel chip... Would we then be able to say all the trouble with HD2 screen (see prev poster) will also come with the EVO?
This is definitely a superior phone to the iphone 4 in most ways, with things such as swype, larger screen, 1080p video, 8MP camera to mention a few. But every time I see an iphone4, I can't help wishing the SGS2 looked more like it. The iphone 4 is aesthetically pleasing with that really nice brushed silver band all the way around it and those cool silver buttons such as the two separate volume rockers. And the back of it has that super polished black glass with silver or white logo. I suppose it would be more fragile if dropped than the SGS2. The whole thing just looks so sexy.
I'm not suggesting my SGS2 is ugly, far from it, it's beautiful, but it's perhaps more like the iphone 3G in shape, ie, a slightly older design copy. I'd like to see the SGS3 looking more like the iphone4. Anyone agree or perhaps you don't find the iphone that special to look at?
if they where to make it have more of a premium feel it would be more heavier and i think they like it light i also think the sgs 3 when it comes out will be lighter with a better screen probably 4.4 or 4.5 inch screen
Hmm, i've seen enough people with iphone4s oggling my sgs2 so I guess it can't look that bad, I understand what you mean about the iphone 4 looking pretty but I wouldn't want a copy
actually, i'd be happy if the SGS series looked nothing like the iPhones at all! What's the point of having an iPhone clone that's not an iPhone? Or a device that's clearly better, only to be labeled as it's clone?
As much as i hate to admit it, the series so far has already quite clearly been inspired by iPhone design, resulting in lawsuits and what not - as well as the wrath of both the android and iPhone community - calling the phones 'clones' of the iphone (SGS1 vs 3gs especially).
it's just that it's such an amazing series of phones - clearly superior to anything else out there - so i do wish it had it's own distinct design philosophy. A bit like what HTC is doing with it's unibody design - it might be gimmicky but it's certainly distinct and it defines and separates HTC phones from other ones in the market.
Though it's clear that samsung worked hard on the SGS2 design. i really do like it, and to make such a powerful phone so thin is a marvel of design and engineering in itself. The monolithic and minimalist exterior are a step in the right direction, so too is the textured back. The only thing i'd change is removing the home-button and the chrome border around the phone, and the samsung logo from the front - so that the face of the phone would look like a slab of black industrial sexiness - somewhat like the nexus s.
Even though I must confess to being a dedicated anti-fan of all things Apple, I honestly believe the iPhone 4 is the single ugliest piece of hardware I have seen in a long time - square, boxy, dull...and that's before you turn the thing on and the boredom levels reach critical.
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Even though I must confess to being a dedicated anti-fan of all things Apple, I honestly believe the iPhone 4 is the single ugliest piece of hardware I have seen in a long time - square, boxy, dull...and that's before you turn the thing on and the boredom levels reach critical.
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That made me lulz.
I feel the same, I think the iPhone overall well crafted, but far from special. and it does indeed hit critical when you switch that screen on lol.
People say that the phone can't be premium and light but I'd argue that a Titanium chassis would probably be lighter than plastic. I think to make the SGS2 more premium removing the lump from the bottom of the phone would work wonders. Again the bezel could have been Titanium, which would have looked cool. If anything getting rid of the home key would have made the phone more Samsung and less iPhone.
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Even though I must confess to being a dedicated anti-fan of all things Apple, I honestly believe the iPhone 4 is the single ugliest piece of hardware I have seen in a long time - square, boxy, dull...and that's before you turn the thing on and the boredom levels reach critical.
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You must not see much hardware in your day to day, or your Apple hatred is blinding you. There's tons of ugly, tacky and terribly designed hardware being released every day. Just look at the PC Modding community or all the mid and low-end phones.
@diablous
You are correct, the build quality is very good and we shouldn't forget that.
It's the design I have a problem with - it's like a 1970/80s Volvo - you know you're not going to come off worst if you hit anything smaller than a sixteen wheeler, but it's not going to attract anything much better than Susan Boyle in the lady stakes.
For the record I'm not overwhelmed by the SGS2 either. It's OK and certainly a bit better than the iPhone 4. iPhone 3 was actually quite sexy...but still boring.
@spybreak
I don't disagree, but I'm talking high end kit here, not the dodgy clones and wannabees
The SGS2 and all Samsung smartphones before it look like an evolution of other Samsung phones that came out before the iPhone.
Samsung copied nothing. The F700, which came out before the iPhone, had the metal surround, square centre button and similar interface.
Even if Apple had a point about the SGS2 looking like the iPhone, which i dont think it does, it still has a problem with the fact that if anything the iPhone copied Samsungs design in the first place. Lets also not forget that the iP4 has design elements that clearly came from the Nokia N96..
looking at it from eastetics i'd say sgs2 is more beautiful than the ip4
it's thinner, lighter and the overal blackness appeals me alot
but i have to give it to the ip4 handle wise
it has a mute switch and spreaker on the bottom side.
best layout i have ever worked with is an idevice.
and headset remote with volume is for me also a big plus
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@diablous
It's the design I have a problem with - it's like a 1970/80s Volvo - you know you're not going to come off worst if you hit anything smaller than a sixteen wheeler, but it's not going to attract anything much better than Susan Boyle in the lady stakes.
For the record I'm not overwhelmed by the SGS2 either. It's OK and certainly a bit better than the iPhone 4. iPhone 3 was actually quite sexy...but still boring.
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What you call boring, for some of us, means classy, clean and beautiful. Everyone has their own idea of what looks good. The iPhone has always been regarded as one of the best looking hardware pieces ever made, in all it's versions and Apple has always spent a lot of money on getting the design right.
Just as a curiosity, what do you consider a good looking phone that isn't "boring"?
I love the body. BEFORE the iPhone 4, ask yourself, what was each manufacturer trying to achieve with there phones? (flagships/higher band phones)
THEY WANTED thinness AND lightness.
As soon as the iPhone 4 comes along, the whole industry generally tries to focus on heavier phones. The GS2, makes a stand and brings a whole new feel.
I personally feel uncomfortable with an iPhone 4 in my hand because it feels very brick-like (mainly due to the weight).
Plus, look at home many iPhone users converted to The GS2. I've seen SO many on the forums. God knows how many there are around the world.
I also like the smooth plastic on the bottom-back. (the bulgy bit with the speaker)
Whether it was intentional design or not, I think it's great for some grip and I generally find my little finger resting on the verge (where the back cover rises to the smooth plastic)
i think the SGS2 is a pretty good looking Phone had friends pick it up and say "this is really nice", or "wow that is light!" etc. i think its a Great phone. i Hate iPhones tbf but i did have an iPhone 4 and think the quality of the build was Slightly better (bar the stupid antenna design.. Doh!) mainly due to the higher quality materials used. still cant complain though, i love my S2 !
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What you call boring, for some of us, means classy, clean and beautiful. Everyone has their own idea of what looks good. The iPhone has always been regarded as one of the best looking hardware pieces ever made, in all it's versions and Apple has always spent a lot of money on getting the design right.
Just as a curiosity, what do you consider a good looking phone that isn't "boring"?
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Not sure why you are getting quite so defensive about me expressing my opinion when you then go on to present your own highly subjective opinion as if it is fact. You sound a bit like an Apple fanboi? At least I have been quite open in expressing my prejudice against Apple.
To satisfy your curiosity, I like the HD2 - nice mix of functional oblong and sexy curves. Now, to be clear, that's my opinion, not a statement of fact. It's neither right nor wrong.
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Not sure why you are getting quite so defensive about me expressing my opinion when you then go on to present your own highly subjective opinion as if it is fact. You sound a bit like an Apple fanboi? At least I have been quite open in expressing my prejudice against Apple.
To satisfy your curiosity, I like the HD2 - nice mix of functional oblong and sexy curves. Now, to be clear, that's my opinion, not a statement of fact. It's neither right nor wrong.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to sound aggressive. I do like Apple and I love their industrial design. I am not, however, a "fanboi" or else I wouldn't have an SGS2 and an HTC Sensation with me
I admit I just find it hard to conceive the iPhone 4 as "ugly", but again, to each his own and I really can't blame you for voicing your own opinion. My apologies. I just wanted to debate a bit on the idea of phone design, which is something I find very interesting.
I agree on the HD2, it's introduces a bit of a "mean" look to the slate design and makes it look tough. The only thing I don't like are the curved buttons. I think squared ones would've looked better.
Come on guys!
This phone is a real master piece, definitely unique in design and really appealing!
It's great to be special!
I wish they...
1- Change the logo
2- Place the speaker at the bottom (to prevent sound muffling)
3- Make a mute button
4- Place the power button at the top (mistakenly pressed when pressing volume rocker)
iphone = glassy brick ....................
sevoflurane said:
Come on guys!
This phone is a real master piece, definitely unique in design and really appealing!
It's great to be special!
I wish they...
1- Change the logo +1
2- Place the speaker at the bottom (to prevent sound muffling) +1
3- Make a mute button. Maybe a button mapping, like a long press on the volume down or something, but not a separate button.
4- Place the power button at the top (mistakenly pressed when pressing volume rocker) +1
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Spybreak said:
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound aggressive. I do like Apple and I love their industrial design. I am not, however, a "fanboi" or else I wouldn't have an SGS2 and an HTC Sensation with me
I admit I just find it hard to conceive the iPhone 4 as "ugly", but again, to each his own and I really can't blame you for voicing your own opinion. My apologies. I just wanted to debate a bit on the idea of phone design, which is something I find very interesting.
I agree on the HD2, it's introduces a bit of a "mean" look to the slate design and makes it look tough. The only thing I don't like are the curved buttons. I think squared ones would've looked better.
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No worries my friend, a bit of healthy debate is always good.
We can agree to disagree about the iPhone, but at least we have some common ground on the HD2.
I'll see your square buttons and raise you soft buttons like the SGS2 though - the only real weakness (in my opinion) with the HD2 was the tendency of the touchscreen to fail apparently because of some connectivity issue caused by wear from repeated use of the power button. Twice mine had to go back for repair.
I'm not sure the SGS2 will ever rival the HD2 for versatility, but it's the first phone that I've had that can work quickly enough to keep me from getting impatient. It's a heck of a device, iClone or not. (And I say definitely NOT)
Honestly never want to own a phone with the iPhone 4 design again. While it looks nice, it demands a case. Drop it your screwed, oh and its a smudge fest front and back.
Before i get flamed for dumbest thread ever, just wanted to note ive been seeing a lot of posts on xda and other forums about all the 4.5"+ screens fixing to come out soon with ice cream sandwich. A lot of these phones wont have physical face buttons. No fanny pack required. Or bigger pockets. Or dolly. Or briefcase. Blah. But who knows. The next generation of phones might be galaxy notes me toos.
I voided my warranty.
Hmmm... I hear what you are saying, but what's your point?
My ATRIX has wrote this without my consent!
Dumbest thread ever!
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That's actually a good point. Plus they'll be thinner.
I'm sure manufacturers did their research before deciding that 4.5" is the future.
you do have a good point. but what about the normal people who actually use their phones for calls and dont want to use two hands to hold the phone up to their ear? and not everyone has huge hands or wears loose jeans.. lol
i even got annoyed using the HD7 at times because you cant use one hand with everything.. its fun for the first few weeks but yeah.
i think 4" to 4.2" is perfect size, not too big or too small. everyone seems to love the 4" sweetspot. i dont understand why not make more of them, especially HTC they always make 4.2" or 3.7" lol. than again its all personal preference.
Dont get me wrong, i would love to have a 4.5-4.7" phone to mess around with and play games on at times, but that is what a tablet is for -_-
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you do have a good point. but what about the normal people who actually use their phones for calls and dont want to use two hands to hold the phone up to their ear? and not everyone has huge hands or wears loose jeans.. lol
i even got annoyed using the HD7 at times because you cant use one hand with everything.. its fun for the first few weeks but yeah.
i think 4" to 4.2" is perfect size, not too big or too small. everyone seems to love the 4" sweetspot. i dont understand why not make more of them, especially HTC they always make 4.2" or 3.7" lol. than again its all personal preference.
Dont get me wrong, i would love to have a 4.5-4.7" phone to mess around with and play games on at times, but that is what a tablet is for -_-
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you said i have a good point but i think you still missed it. i was using the atrix as reference because i have it, this is an atrix forum and it's a small topic worth a few posts. if the atrix is ~5" diagonal across, take away the capacitive buttons at the button and add a 4.5-4.65" screen and the phone will not get dramatically bigger. it's going to be kinda like an upgrade from the nexus one, and i speak from experience here, it gotta a hair taller and little bit wider. i think the google nexus will be a little wider. so nothing to balk about when using it as a phone. if it does get a little wider some people might have a problem with it. i sometimes have a hard time reaching the other side but all i gotta do is reposition it. i think at most we'll have another .25" to reach across, but that shouldn't be a problem for me, but it might be for a few. we're prolly talking galaxy s2 at the biggest.
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you said i have a good point but i think you still missed it. i was using the atrix as reference because i have it, this is an atrix forum and it's a small topic worth a few posts. if the atrix is ~5" diagonal across, take away the capacitive buttons at the button and add a 4.5-4.65" screen and the phone will not get dramatically bigger. it's going to be kinda like an upgrade from the nexus one, and i speak from experience here, it gotta a hair taller and little bit wider. i think the google nexus will be a little wider. so nothing to balk about when using it as a phone. if it does get a little wider some people might have a problem with it. i sometimes have a hard time reaching the other side but all i gotta do is reposition it. i think at most we'll have another .25" to reach across, but that shouldn't be a problem for me, but it might be for a few. we're prolly talking galaxy s2 at the biggest.
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I love this...the Atrix is 5" diagonally...well...since this is how they measure all of the flat screens and such...we don't need it any bigger to be better...just add some more resolution to it...some of us actually use them to talk a-lot on...not just text and play games..I have no problems with the size of it to watch my movies with it...and any bigger will be a royal PITA to carry around at work with out getting banged up...
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Yeah, well personally, i hope it s not much bigger either. It wont grow much if at all depending how they do it. Gs2 is too big for and so are the heads.
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5" would be great if it was edge to edge lcd, which probably wont happen. Unfortunately, my guess would be that Apple will create the first edge to edge lcd phone and THEN other companies will follow suit
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5" would be great if it was edge to edge lcd, which probably wont happen. Unfortunately, my guess would be that Apple will create the first edge to edge lcd phone and THEN other companies will follow suit
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I don't see it as unfortunate, though. As long as someone is driving innovation in the industry then consumers are benefited.
However, it annoys me that no company other than Apple would do it first.
Edge 2 edge has downsides. The way tour digitizer will react or error when holding it. An example of this is grab a phone with little to no bezel on the sides and a ****ty digitizer. Nexus one is a good example. I cant think of any phones wuth no bezels on the side and good digitizer but it still acts up sometimes when your fingers are over lapping the sides. Also, the phones will get thicker. Everybodys going to have to kick their anorexic phone habits for an edge 2 edge.
I voided my warranty.
The Atrix has a 4" diagonal DISPLAY. The nav buttons do not count. Actually, in order to get 5", you'd have to count the entire face of the phone (and it still wouldn't be quite 5). This is not how it is measured. The issue is display size.
Also, the Atrix has a small display, for one with a 4" diagonal. Since it has a thin aspect ratio (9:16), its surface area is not as great as, say, the Galaxy S, which has a wider aspect ratio (3:5). Both phones have 4" diagonals, while one is actually bigger. I suppose you could say that the Atrix is small for its size.
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The Atrix has a 4" diagonal DISPLAY. The nav buttons do not count. Actually, in order to get 5", you'd have to count the entire face of the phone (and it still wouldn't be quite 5). This is not how it is measured. The issue is display size.
Also, the Atrix has a small display, for one with a 4" diagonal. Since it has a thin aspect ratio (9:16), its surface area is not as great as, say, the Galaxy S, which has a wider aspect ratio (3:5). Both phones have 4" diagonals, while one is actually bigger. I suppose you could say that the Atrix is small for its size.
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Duh. Did you even read the thread?
I voided my warranty.
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Duh. Did you even read the thread?
I voided my warranty.
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[edit] Decided its not even worth commenting on.... *facepalm*
A 4.5" 9:16 AR screen would be 2.2" x 3.9". Assuming a quarter inch bezel on all sides, that would be 2.7" x 4.4" or 4.9" diagonally. So you can have a 4.5" screen on a phone just slightly fatter but shorter than the Atrix. 4.5" will be the new standard.
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you said i have a good point but i think you still missed it. i was using the atrix as reference because i have it, this is an atrix forum and it's a small topic worth a few posts. if the atrix is ~5" diagonal across, take away the capacitive buttons at the button and add a 4.5-4.65" screen and the phone will not get dramatically bigger. it's going to be kinda like an upgrade from the nexus one, and i speak from experience here, it gotta a hair taller and little bit wider. i think the google nexus will be a little wider. so nothing to balk about when using it as a phone. if it does get a little wider some people might have a problem with it. i sometimes have a hard time reaching the other side but all i gotta do is reposition it. i think at most we'll have another .25" to reach across, but that shouldn't be a problem for me, but it might be for a few. we're prolly talking galaxy s2 at the biggest.
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oh, i missed that part. still you do have a good point lol. i wasnt talking about form factor 100%. i just like the screen size itself. i do miss my 4.2" screen on my HD7 but i also got tired of it as well at times. how would you use the phone if it had no bottom or anything? if it were JUST the screen and no plastic/siding on the front, how would you hold it without pressing and wouldnt it be hard as hell to text on? i think the atrix is perfect size with a perfect size screen for just moderate use. i just hate how ugly it is haha. these are the things i cant really make up my mind on though.. i love to have phones with big screen for media, but i like smaller phones for just texting and such, i guess thats why i set at 4-4.2". ive never had a phone bigger so i am not really one to judge! i am interested in the new HTC WP7 with a 4.7" screen though.
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your face must hurt. you facepalm on alot of threads lol.
I guess Im the only one who is down for a larger display standard, I would even go as far as 6 inches and still put an Otterbox on it lol. I dont keep my phone in my pocket now as it is I carry it in my hand most of the time. And yes I do have a tablet, but I still want an oversized phone as I spend much more time on it. I think its Sony who is working to develop the "foldable" displays, I believe its just a concept at this time. But yea if I could buy a 6 inch display or a phone that unfolds into a tablet I would lol.
Edit: and Im not talking a kyo cera (or whatever it is) ugly ass 2 screen fold Im talking the actual display itself is bendable (currently only up to so many thousand times then the display quality starts to decrease). Do a Goog search you will find it..
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I guess Im the only one who is down for a larger display standard, I would even go as far as 6 inches and still put an Otterbox on it lol. I dont keep my phone in my pocket now as it is I carry it in my hand most of the time. And yes I do have a tablet, but I still want an oversized phone as I spend much more time on it. I think its Sony who is working to develop the "foldable" displays, I believe its just a concept at this time. But yea if I could buy a 6 inch display or a phone that unfolds into a tablet I would lol.
Edit: and Im not talking a kyo cera (or whatever it is) ugly ass 2 screen fold Im talking the actual display itself is bendable (currently only up to so many thousand times then the display quality starts to decrease). Do a Goog search you will find it..
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that tablet looks badass, i wish there was less of a gap in the middle though. i am so glad to see sony in the tablet business now.
I'd like a big phone but phones with big screens should be the only ones. not everyone wants a huge phone that cant even fit in your pocket.. some people like a medium screen with a keyboard on bottom, some people like a 4" screen that isnt too big or small, some people like phones that look like dvd cases up to your head and cant fit in your pocket, and some people are even more dumb and like small screens with no keyboards. its all personal preference. there shouldnt be only one choice. im up for the first three always being available. iphone sh*t that isnt only 3.5 can go away all it wants. too small. unless you are 12, which you shouldnt even have a phone if you are.
i remember those days when everyone was freaking out over the dell streak, i wanted to get my hands on one so bad lol.
I saw this very attractive young woman recently using a dell streak to text or something. Then she got a phone call. I had to walk away very fast because it was hilarious. It looked like she was trying to talk to a book. But i welcome 4.5" inch screens with out buttons on the face. the phones out now are way too big as and i dont want anybody laughing at me.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
A good article.
http://mobile.osnews.com/story.php/25750/The_Galaxy_Note_confirms_it_people_want_larger_screens
It jokes about the "optimal" iphone 3.5 incher.
YES. People like Galaxy Note.
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This is so true. At first i thought "damit is that thing big, i should bring it back to store" but when i put it in my pocket it fits and i can walk run and jump with the note in my pocket. So for me its the best phone ever until now iv'e ever had. I love the scree size, if i compare it to the holy iphone i have to laugh everytime about the size..... Its so cute this little iphone thing. I could give it to childrens who can play with it in a sandbox.
Exactly. Those "tech bloggers" should be making fun of people trying to use their "revolutionary" smartphone's functions on a tiny, heavy and fragile 3.5 incher instead...
I hardly ever played any games on my EVO but thats all I do on my Note!!
It simply kicks ass!! Fun times!!
All the reviewers are Jabronis.....perfect size the note is ....especially if you have big hands like me ....cant stand anything else will never go back.....
On-screen controls in games always felt wrong on those small 3.5" phones.. on the S2 they felt better.. on the note they make sense..
sure smaller is sometimes better.. but when packing all this power into a device biggish is good
5.3" aint that big either, just a tad bigger then my wallet but alot thinner.
i followed some links in that blogg and came onto another planet where i was told the android UI makes us need larger screens cos else we wouldn't see anything if android got higher res.. font-size? bigger icons? felt like easy fixes...
kinda feels like iphonE lovers just digs deeper and deeper into something to hold on to.. to make them feel "i did the right choice, my phone is the best"
sad truth is my sister loves the Note but felt she couldn't buy it cos its to big.. she would feel looked at and laughed at.. so she settled with the S2.
i often tell ppl if they are not into computers, etc when they ask if they should buy an iphone or Note to buy an iphone, the safe no-one will laugh at your choice and no-one will question why. its kinda like putting on pants, no one will ask you why.
sorry for the rant..
Awesome. Hope the note 2 or 3 has a slightly bigger screen. 6 inches would be even more awesome
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people want larger screens
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... or people want a stylus and Apple may have to eat SJ's words if they want to catch up.
Apparently a lot of Asian markets like the Note because it's easier to input characters than a keyboard based interface.
Personally, any larger form factor and it would be difficult to fit in my jeans pocket.
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Awesome. Hope the note 2 or 3 has a slightly bigger screen. 6 inches would be even more awesome
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Agreed, but only if the kept the same form factor as they have now, but getting the screen bigger by stretching it all the way to the edges, in other words, almost no bezel.
i remember a point when I said 5" is the most any phone should go to. well, now I do believe the limit is 6" since anything bigger than that is a tablet fully at that point.
man i want a 6" phone or a SAMOLED+ HD tablet with telephony
I have to admit - i bought the Note without trying it first. When it arrived, i unboxed it and was terrified...
My first impression ? Oh my god, what have i done...but it took two days of using - and now i don't even notice the size. What's more - i don't really mind the size anymore, it feels normal, and is very useful.
iPhone's 3,5" was nice - 3-4 years ago. After that i moved to 4,3" HD7 and now to 5,3" Note. Bigger IS better here, especially with superior AMOLED screen.
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I have to admit - i bought the Note without trying it first. When it arrived, i unboxed it and was terrified...
My first impression ? Oh my god, what have i done...but it took two days of using - and now i don't even notice the size. What's more - i don't really mind the size anymore, it feels normal, and is very useful.
iPhone's 3,5" was nice - 3-4 years ago. After that i moved to 4,3" HD7 and now to 5,3" Note. Bigger IS better here, especially with superior AMOLED screen.
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I can tottaly relate, I bought it blindly like you :-D
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I also almost regret my Note but after 2 days ... I was just hooked
I think, it's not like people want large screen, it's just it fit some people needs (like watching movies, browsing etc)
Yeah there's still more room in my pocket for something bigger.
But not my jean pockets lol. I don't know how you guys can put this phone in your jean pockets. And I want a full usb port or 2 on it. The more things it can do like a netbook, the better.
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A good article.
http://mobile.osnews.com/story.php/25750/The_Galaxy_Note_confirms_it_people_want_larger_screens
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This is more a rant than an article.
The note does not confirm that "people want larger screens". What it confirms is that some people want larger screens.
The claim that "Android phones go for the larger screen" is also not correct. There are many Android phone manufacturers and many models, of all shapes and sizes. Search using gsmarena finds 185 Android models with sceeen of size 3.2" or smaller.
I've got the largest hands in the whole town so the NOTE feels average to me.
Sometimes I even think, maybe this should be a little larger like 5.5inches. But now I've equipped the NOTE with the TPU case. Its quite protective, has a very grippy sides and it has a KICKSTAND!!!
But with the case on, I have some trouble slipping it into some pockets (jeans mainly).
So after pondering a bit, I think Samsung should make the NOTE with a kickstand, and shave off the bezel from the top and bottom portions.
OR
Make it smaller (from 147 x 83mm; 5.3inch) to 145mm x 79mm (shorter, little less wide, 5.1inch). It needs to shave off some of the bezel, for the premium aspects.
Though my biggest problems is that:
-Back and Menu buttons should be physical (its too damn easy to accidentally press them; frustrating when you accidentally exit an App and have to start from scratch)
-They should position the volume rocker on the right side and make it clickier (like the Nexus S)
-They should position the power button on the top and make it larger and clikier (like the Nexus S)
-Trade the position of Back and Menu button; and hitting the Menu button should bring the contexual menu's on the bottom and the search bar on the top.
If Samsung hired me for a prototype, my device would outsell any competitors!
I'm also for shaving off the Bezels but to have instead a larger screen by keeping the same overall size.
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I'm also for shaving off the Bezels but to have instead a larger screen by keeping the same overall size.
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---What are your thoughts on the kickstand?
Should it be on the device, or on the case?
(If its on the case, it means you need to use a case, meaning the overall size is increased and its harder to draw/place into pockets.)
---What are your thoughts on the Navigational Buttons?
On-screen? all physical? all capacitive? or have the Home physical and the rest capacitive?
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Agreed, but only if the kept the same form factor as they have now, but getting the screen bigger by stretching it all the way to the edges, in other words, almost no bezel.
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I think the idea of 6 inches with the same form factor is great all they would then need to do is increase the resolution as the pixel density will not compete with the likes of Sony Arc S or some of the other 4-4.5 HD screens.
If they did both of these and then made even better stylus apps and support. Then I think it would be game over even for some of the tablet market.
One a separate NOTE, does anyone know if the Note2 is confirmed?
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---What are your thoughts on the kickstand?
Should it be on the device, or on the case?
(If its on the case, it means you need to use a case, meaning the overall size is increased and its harder to draw/place into pockets.)
---What are your thoughts on the Navigational Buttons?
On-screen? all physical? all capacitive? or have the Home physical and the rest capacitive?
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I had a kickstand on my HD7. Thought it was nice - at first. Later on...i never even used it. Phone would just fall down, and it was impossible to use it with any cable connected ( earphones ) cause it would - again - fall.
I like the idea of a kickstand, but i think it might be a bit hard to make it stable enough on such a large phone.