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Ok guys, whats next for us, anyone have any hard facts about what HTC is going to replace our lovely Touch HDs with? still have quite a while left on my contract but im curious whats around the corner....

Agreed... I was thinking about HTC HERO but I dont think I can live with a screen that small

Guys,
Has anyone noticed that since the Blackstone, HTC has not made any phones with a screen that is as big as the Touch HD? (3.8 inches). I've only seen 3.6 inches so far. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Cheers.

You are correct 3.6" max: in my opinion we must wait early 2010 to see other device like HD
D'rath

Really looking forward to the HTC Thoth.....with the current on screen keyboard....I would'nt mind leaving the physical keyboard at home.....provided they launch it soon.....but kinda looking forward to one of their devices using the new Nvidia chips as well....

Yup, i'd only really be interested in one of the new Nvidia chipset devices as a replacement.

.. And an AMOLED display .. bloomin daylight :-(

the size on the HD is just perfect, ive tried some smaller ones since and its just not the same, i can see me using this thing until its fallen to bits unless a HD2 with a similar design comes out, its a perfect iPhone compeditor we just need a bit more grunt, OLEDS would be very cool, but i think we would have to drop the stylus, the metal wires in the screen reduce the brightness by a huge amount and im not sure how OLEDs compare with backlit LCD

Having had a Touch HD and Touch Pro2 I know why they don't make such a large screen anymore.
Using the TouchPro2's screen requires minimal 'touchdown' all around the screen - its consistent, whereas the Touch HD (I've had three of these) all exhibit the same issue - The middle of the screen requires less effort to register a screen press than the outer sides - making it inconsistent. I'm assuming this is due to the larger screen size the touch element of the phone has to cover....
Don't get me wrong - I loved my Touch HD but after the usual HTC and qualcomm marlaky of missing hardware drivers I'm pretty peeved off and have now deflect to the iphone 3GS. Yes its no-where near as technically superior as the Touch HD - but the screen and hardware acceleration make it very fluid to use.
Signed up to a 24month contract with the 3GS as I doubt very much HTC will be releasing anything decent (i.e. With a decent graphics chipset) for a while yet......

Agreed with the above posts..
Having OLED would be pretty cool... and maybe a capacitive touch screen-- however I doubt this as it wouldn't be compatible with handwriting recognition. Maybe better technology will overcome this someday as for now I can only dream... :/

zoomee,
I'll have to agree. The edges are not as responsive as the center. This is especially apparent in things like the X button on the top right.
Cheers.
zoomee said:
Having had a Touch HD and Touch Pro2 I know why they don't make such a large screen anymore.
Using the TouchPro2's screen requires minimal 'touchdown' all around the screen - its consistent, whereas the Touch HD (I've had three of these) all exhibit the same issue - The middle of the screen requires less effort to register a screen press than the outer sides - making it inconsistent. I'm assuming this is due to the larger screen size the touch element of the phone has to cover....
Don't get me wrong - I loved my Touch HD but after the usual HTC and qualcomm marlaky of missing hardware drivers I'm pretty peeved off and have now deflect to the iphone 3GS. Yes its no-where near as technically superior as the Touch HD - but the screen and hardware acceleration make it very fluid to use.
Signed up to a 24month contract with the 3GS as I doubt very much HTC will be releasing anything decent (i.e. With a decent graphics chipset) for a while yet......
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ah well, so no one has any news on anything to replace the Touch HD with. Pitty, they are losing out on market share to Apple. Unless that is they already figure the market is lost to them...

What are capacitive screens really good for?

First things first: I generally like my HD2 - It's fast, has a nice display and a lot of other nice features but the touch screen outright sucks and is bordering on useless. Of course the iphone screen isn't much better but it still beats the HD2 screen hands down.
What's all the fuss about capacitive screens? All I can see is a loss in functionality. I hear their more durable but who cares whether the screen lasts 3 years or 10???? It's nowhere near as precise as any other touch screen device I ever owned. I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
I installed a sensitivity fix cab and it's somewhat usable for day to day stuff but still.....the 4.3" screen is nowhere near as usable as the 3" my X1 had and I could operate that with my finger only quite all right.
Seems like there nothing in capacitive screens other than being iphone-like. Why not have a 4.3" resistive screen? What's the actual downside?

ewok666 said:
try playing crayon physics
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I am and it works just fine for me
There are styluses (styli?) available for cap. screens also though.

The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
Glass can be used. Less vulnerable.
multi touch can be implemented.
more touch sensetive.
The advantige of resistive touch screens:
more accurate without software.
simple styles can be used.
cheap.
greatings,
marc

ewok666 said:
I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
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Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.

I'd say the biggest downside of capacitive screens is the absence of multitouch capabilities. I have absolutely no problems operating my phone with it's capacitive screen. So to speak, Windows Mobile 6.x.x isn't really optimized for it anyways, as the HD2 was the first phone with capacitive screen on the platform.
If you wanted to work precise with a stylus then maybe you shouldn't have bought an HD2 in the first place.

ewok666 said:
... try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk
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No offence but I would say that not being able to play/finish crayon physics deluxe with this peace of jewellery is of course not caused by the screen or the phone. I would search the cause somewhere else.....

ewok666 said:
First things first: I generally like my HD2 - It's fast, has a nice display and a lot of other nice features but the touch screen outright sucks and is bordering on useless. Of course the iphone screen isn't much better but it still beats the HD2 screen hands down.
What's all the fuss about capacitive screens? All I can see is a loss in functionality. I hear their more durable but who cares whether the screen lasts 3 years or 10???? It's nowhere near as precise as any other touch screen device I ever owned. I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
I installed a sensitivity fix cab and it's somewhat usable for day to day stuff but still.....the 4.3" screen is nowhere near as usable as the 3" my X1 had and I could operate that with my finger only quite all right.
Seems like there nothing in capacitive screens other than being iphone-like. Why not have a 4.3" resistive screen? What's the actual downside?
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The whole benefit of a capacitive screen for me is that I don't have to use a stylus. If I wanted to use a stylus I would have gone for a different phone.
Why did you buy this phone if you wanted to use a stylus? You can however get one, have you tried that first before falling out with the phone? It could fulfill all your needs and then you'll see how good the HD2 is.

I think that it is a matter of habit and getting used to resistive screens in your case. I havent had a resistive screen ever but i played a quite a lot with some and i must say that capacitive is much more interactive, finger friendly and intuitive than resistive so you might just try not to be so stuborn and give it a chance Everytime i try to do something with my girlfriends' resistive samsung and i keep getting stuck with not knowing how hard should I push the screen exactly ... I am not a fan of the resistive and after all it is called TOUCH screen not a Push screen Enjoy your Hd mate !

You can use fingers on resistive touchscreens. These days even resistive touchscreens can have multitouch.
I think the main advantage of capacitive screen is the glass, as was mentioned. Resistive screen must deform under the touching object, which means it wears down.
For phone, capacitive screen is just ok.
For tablet PCs, I'd like to see combination of capacitive screen with electromagnetic stylus (like tablet has) where you could switch the mode.
Capacitive screen is good for fast controls, but if you draw with stylus, you don't want the screen to react on random touches.
For example iPad has rather thick borders around the screen .. because you have to hold it somehow without actually touching the screen.

ewok666 said:
try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk
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The game is so addictive i completed this morning. Try junking your fingers?
A capacitive screen makes our screen a real touch screen instead of 'tap screen'.

kruithofm said:
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
more touch sensetive.
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I don't think so. Resistive is much more sensitive and precise. Pen stroke input used to be the reason PPC stuck to resistive input.
Being an HD2 fan doesn't mean a capacitive fan. Capacitive is the reason that I nearly bought an Omnia II instead of HD2. For me, it is something to hate.
With resistive, I don't mind carrying around a stylus when it means I can do precision work. And I can still use my fingers when I need to.
Now that we have WVGA, I believe now that we can sacrifice screen estate and use huge UIs so that capacitive screen can survive. But that means old applications written for resistive screens (including WM6.1 dialogues) usually have too small UIs for use on HD2.

Alex, That the Capacitive touch is more sensetive is an advantige, with the interface or software you can decrese the sensetivety. On resistive touch screens it is technicaly inposible to get the sensetivety as high as on capacitive.
It is posible to make resistive touch screens multitouch. only that takes a lot of software to calculate positions of pressing.
The techniek is very different between both. therefore you love it or you don't. some get used to it, some don't. It is all personal. There are even people who love the small keyboards. And even my wife loves only the number keys on the normal simple phones since she uses the dictionairy. And I have to say, She is faster writing a sms than me.
So everyone should use whatever they like. Every option has it's advantiges.

johncmolyneux said:
Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
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I should have been more specific: The junk I'm referring to is the screen and NOT the device. Like I said, I like the device but IMHO all the 'advantages' of capacitive don't make up for its downsides.
Just to address some of the comments:
Resistive screens CAN be touch operated without a stylus
They do NOT break down all the time
AFAIK they CAN support multitouch
Maybe it's just the crappy implementation of capacitive that HTC has done. The Iphone screen does not seem to suffer from all the issues the HD2 has:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
Are capacitive screen really a requirement for WM7?

ewok666 said:
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
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Learn before you preach.

johncmolyneux said:
Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
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Hahahahahaha!!! John is right. Better be careful what you post on this forum.

I say put your fingers on a strict diet! Enroll them in a exercise regime until you can use your "piece of junk" effectively.

Well, for me the #1 reason for me to get an HD2 IS the capacitive screen.
I've had many many resistive screen devices (1 old pocketpc, 4 HTC phones, 2 touch-enabled UMPCs), and I'm tired of having to use my nail to press on that screen. It's perfectly fine on old-style UIs that rely on clicks only, but for the "new" flick, scroll, tap, pinch, rotate, capacitive is just the way to go.
Still getting mad when I tap my Kaiser's screen with my finger (not the nail) and it thinks I want to scroll, and goes 2 pages down... only works fine with something sharp, whatever the settings/tweaks.

capacitive is a reason to buy for me: it is what made the HD2 stand out for me. I will never go back to resistive technology.
I must say though that in my opinion the iPhone display is of a superior quality, not in terms of pixel count, but certainly in terms of its accuracy, sensitivity and reliability. it is simply a lot easier to tap out words on the iPhone than on the HD2. It also responds better to cold (if I go out in the winter breeze I sometimes find my HD2 starts pressing keys and moving the screen about of its own accord).

ewok666 said:
I should have been more specific: The junk I'm referring to is the screen and NOT the device. Like I said, I like the device but IMHO all the 'advantages' of capacitive don't make up for its downsides.
Just to address some of the comments:
Resistive screens CAN be touch operated without a stylus
They do NOT break down all the time
AFAIK they CAN support multitouch
Maybe it's just the crappy implementation of capacitive that HTC has done. The Iphone screen does not seem to suffer from all the issues the HD2 has:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
Are capacitive screen really a requirement for WM7?
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try walkin down the street while tryin to send an sms using the stylus on a resistive screen...u'll be sooo glad ur hd2 is capacitive...

kruithofm said:
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
Glass can be used. Less vulnerable.
multi touch can be implemented.
more touch sensetive.
The advantige of resistive touch screens:
more accurate without software.
simple styles can be used.
cheap.
greatings,
marc
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this should have been end of thread.

Multitouch: HD2 vs. Nexus One

Doesnt the HD2 have the same clearpad 2000 touch screen as our nexus ones? If so then how come its touch screen's mulitouch out performs the Nexus Ones?
HD2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgrsq2-Vy7Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXNY6ssujo&feature=related
Nexus One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhUzq6bTPg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds5qZ_3XRzI
I really hope that they both have the same touch screens because if they do..that means our touch screen problem is fixable software not permanent hardware

bobdude5 said:
Doesnt the HD2 have the same clearpad 2000 touch screen as our nexus ones? If so then how come its touch screen's mulitouch out performs the Nexus Ones?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgrsq2-Vy7Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXNY6ssujo&feature=related
I really hope that they both have the same touch screens because if they do..that means our touch screen problem is fixable software not permanent hardware
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clearly you do not know what problems our touch screen really has...
watch those videos again... notice how there is a jump when the points cross axes... your nexus does this too...
the calibration touch issue is just something to do with either the screen or simply poor coding of the recalibration when the phone gets rotated... the real issue is still shown in those videos and that is when fingers make a motion and "cross axes" and the points "jump" to be in line with each other because the touch screen recognizes inputs based on x and y inputs....
I have come to just accept the reality... the touch screens on our phones blow, plain and simple... I only hope that they put out a version of the 3000 that I can install myself down the road because not being able to play alot of games that require multi-touch and axis crossing with accuracy is a huge let down for me and this phone...

yes but the nexus seems much worse

bobdude5 said:
yes but the nexus seems much worse
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Yes, i agree. There wasn't any axis flipping, and i don't believe those tests were just "lucky" to not have flipping. Are they actually the SAME touchscreen? Could this be a possible fix of some sort? I don't have my nexus yet, (I do have a G1 so i know how the touch screen reacts) but i do want better multi touch when it comes,if possible

bobdude5 said:
Doesnt the HD2 have the same clearpad 2000 touch screen as our nexus ones? If so then how come its touch screen's mulitouch out performs the Nexus Ones?
HD2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgrsq2-Vy7Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXNY6ssujo&feature=related
Nexus One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhUzq6bTPg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds5qZ_3XRzI
I really hope that they both have the same touch screens because if they do..that means our touch screen problem is fixable software not permanent hardware
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ive played with multitouch on the hd2 and it does not feel as fluid as the nexus one. and i never notice any weird crap happen while multiyouching in apps, so these videos are worthless. seems like a software issue to me more than anything

JHaste said:
clearly you do not know what problems our touch screen really has...
watch those videos again... notice how there is a jump when the points cross axes... your nexus does this too...
the calibration touch issue is just something to do with either the screen or simply poor coding of the recalibration when the phone gets rotated... the real issue is still shown in those videos and that is when fingers make a motion and "cross axes" and the points "jump" to be in line with each other because the touch screen recognizes inputs based on x and y inputs....
I have come to just accept the reality... the touch screens on our phones blow, plain and simple... I only hope that they put out a version of the 3000 that I can install myself down the road because not being able to play alot of games that require multi-touch and axis crossing with accuracy is a huge let down for me and this phone...
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thank you for agreeing lol... sadly this is the reality... everyone should really just accept it...
if you refute and want to think differently, watch the videos again and there is a very decisive JUMP of the 2 touch points when they either get close to lining up in either the x or y coordinate or if they simply get too close together... the switching to the inverse is a whole other story prolly having to do with the screen not being able to register the movement fast enough and accurately so it guesses the motion and again fails miserably...

Uhm... You know, its not Multitouch.
Lets call it Dual-Touch
"Pinch-to-Zoom" is way more fluid/smooth on the Nexus One.

JHaste said:
thank you for agreeing lol... sadly this is the reality... everyone should really just accept it...
if you refute and want to think differently, watch the videos again and there is a very decisive JUMP of the 2 touch points when they either get close to lining up in either the x or y coordinate or if they simply get too close together... the switching to the inverse is a whole other story prolly having to do with the screen not being able to register the movement fast enough and accurately so it guesses the motion and again fails miserably...
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Yeah, I use to call BS then I accepted the fact that we have a old touchscreen, thanks HTC. Beats the X10 thought, that thing fails hard, not even pinch to zoom hardware support lol!

z3ntn3l said:
Uhm... You know, its not Multitouch.
Lets call it Dual-Touch
"Pinch-to-Zoom" is way more fluid/smooth on the Nexus One.
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i am not even pleased with pinch to zoom to be honest... i hate to say it but the iphone has way more fluid pinch-zoom

JHaste said:
i am not even pleased with pinch to zoom to be honest... i hate to say it but the iphone has way more fluid pinch-zoom
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Double tap is way better for zooming into specific areas of a page instantly. Plus it resizes contents perfectly.

HTC to use SLCD display for future Nexus One!!

It seems there's not enought AMOLED for everyone, so I guess the developer version of the Nexus One that is going to be sold soon will use this lcd?? Here's the press release:
HTC Introduces SLCD Display Technology To Its Portfolio
New Displays to be integrated into HTC Desire and Nexus One
Taoyuan, TAIWAN – July 26, 2010 – HTC Corporation, a global designer of smartphones, today introduced Super LCD display (SLCD) technology into a variety of HTC phones including the HTC Desire and global Nexus One later this summer. The SLCD display offers an exceptional natural balanced colour, clear contrast, broad viewing angles and improved power efficiency.
"HTC is experiencing high-demand for many of our phones, specifically our phones with 3.7 inch displays. The new SLCD display technology enables us to ramp up our production capabilities quickly to meet the high-demand," said Peter Chou, CEO of HTC Corporation. "The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC's current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance."
SLCD is the latest generation of LCD technology that offers improved performance from earlier LCD panels including approximately five times better power management. SLCDs also offer an enhanced viewing experience with wider viewing angles that are enabled by Sony's new VSPEC III™ technology.
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Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
Battery life is already impressive unless you use your Nexus for literally everything.

HighTech216 said:
Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
Battery life is already impressive unless you use your Nexus for literally everything.
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I'm not saying it's better or worse. I'm just posting news. 0_o

maybe samsung just doesn't want to sell any to HTC.. is SLCD "comparable" to AMLCD or whatever used by iphone4..

I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...

i'm wondering whether the new screen uses a better digitizer for multi touch? a multi touch Vis test would be good on a Super LCD nexus one.

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...
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what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?

stats101 said:
what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?
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The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.

exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
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The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.
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If the SLCD is way better under sunlight I hope GoOgLe will give us the choice to replace the screen,this with better battery life will be exellent

I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.

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I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.
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Has anyone heard word on whether the touch sensor is getting updated as well?

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
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Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.

Yea I'm curious how this will affect existing users. Sounds like they are trying to use cheaper screens to deepen their pockets, but I'm all for it if the quality is better or on par of our existing screens.... especially if it fixes the multitouch bugs.

if someone got a replacement Nexus One with Super LCD, then could you please test multi touch with MultiTouch Vis Test? thanks

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Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.
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Yeah, sadly there are many people which don't see this problem and therefore it seems like this cheap approach is paying off for the manufacturers. Even the Touch Diamond 2 had a far better WVGA Display (LCD).
I also had an motorola milestone (droid) testdevice and the screen on the milestone just kills the n1 screen. I can literally read the text on fully zoomed out webpages on the milestone, while on the n1 i can't see the text clearly at all.
The problem is: People who never witnessed a better WVGA screen will be happy as the AMOLED Pentile screens are at least better then old HVGA screens. But anybody who got to experience WVGA on an LCD without Pentile Matrix garbage will know that the difference ist huge.

So would HTC potentially replace existing n1's displays with the SLCD if they are under warranty.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

Lcd and digitizer are separate pieces of hardware, you won't be seeing it upgraded.

What is wrong with your guys that everything turns into a flame fest over something like a display???
Can't you read? The "marketing/promotional" release stated it is better. Therefore, it must be true

i would like to know how SLCD is more efficient battery power. did they mean more efficient over traditional LCD, or more efficient over AMOLED? i'm assuming over LCD.
i know the pentile problems and all, but i honestly still dont mind it. i've seen the EVO and droid and how crisp they look, but it just isnt a huge difference for me. i like the over saturate colors of amoled!

hey nexus ONE owners...why do you stay with the Nexus one? i

just wondering. i can pick one up locally. brand new, for 250.
why do you guys stay with the nexus since it is not made any longer and what do you love about it?
also..hows the battery life compated to a galexyS phone? ( i have the vibrant)

Personally it's because newer devices haven't offered me anything which I really want/need. I am tempted to go with a HC tablet which will give me access to Tegra2 specific apps/games which is all I feel I'm missing when comparing the N1 to newer handsets. It also runs CM (Never mind the plethora of other ROMs) and trackball alert really is hard to beat once you get used to it

i had one right when it came out. there were no roms really yet for it and it was on 2.1 i think...i cant remember how "fast" it was..i do remember i liked the screen, but im concered about battery life..
i LOVED how thin the phoen was...

dvigue said:
i had one right when it came out. there were no roms really yet for it and it was on 2.1 i think...i cant remember how "fast" it was..i do remember i liked the screen, but im concered about battery life..
i LOVED how thin the phoen was...
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I get great battery life but it will obviously depend on the user. A combo of setcpu and a decent kernel will definitely help extend the battery. I found that ROMs really kicked off when Froyo hit. Although it has slowed over the past few months the N1 still has great support, especially considering it's nearly 18 months old.

$5 internet and Roms

KROMO50 said:
$5 internet and Roms
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what do you mean??? $5

because no other device so far has the same build quality, materials, sexy work-of-art look and feel of the nexus one. plus no other phone has color trackball alert to set ANY notification to ANY color you want. just glance at my phone, blue-new twitter, red-new gmail, yellow-missed call, etc. that is just a necessity once you have it, and not a single other phone is coming out with even a regular notification light, let alone colored.
plus the nexus one is the size of perfection, not so big monsters like these other phones lately. and it still has the amoled screen, not great in the sun, and not as good as super amoled, but all the same indoors.
i just cant find something to replace my nexus one with

RogerPodacter said:
because no other device so far has the same build quality, materials, sexy work-of-art look and feel of the nexus one. plus no other phone has color trackball alert to set ANY notification to ANY color you want. just glance at my phone, blue-new twitter, red-new gmail, yellow-missed call, etc. that is just a necessity once you have it, and not a single other phone is coming out with even a regular notification light, let alone colored.
plus the nexus one is the size of perfection, not so big monsters like these other phones lately. and it still has the amoled screen, not great in the sun, and not as good as super amoled, but all the same indoors.
i just cant find something to replace my nexus one with
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would you consider the screen the same as like a galexy S phone? crisp/sharpness wise?
i am a HUGE rom flasher, so i think i would benefit from a phone like the N1

dvigue said:
would you consider the screen the same as like a galexy S phone? crisp/sharpness wise?
i am a HUGE rom flasher, so i think i would benefit from a phone like the N1
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it IS in fact teh same screen as the galaxy s, both screens are from samsung. both screens use the same pentile matrix pixel layout. the only difference is the galaxy s has super amoled which means the touch layer and glass layer is merged together to produce thinner glass area. the nexus one has the traditional tiny gap. indoors booth look nearly the same (nexus one is sharper because same resolution but 3.7 inch screen. the galaxy s pixels are more visible). outdoors in sunshine is where the galaxy s might be easier to see the screen.
also, not a single other android device exists that has the desk top dock and car dock. that makes the nexus one the full package that no other android device has.
of course the nexus one has the touch screen bug, cant do more than 2 finger inputs, and has the glitch issue. so its a tough call to buy it now. since its probably only 200 dollars i'd say its a no brainer. but not 500 dollars lol.

RogerPodacter said:
it IS in fact teh same screen as the galaxy s, both screens are from samsung. both screens use the same pentile matrix pixel layout. the only difference is the galaxy s has super amoled which means the touch layer and glass layer is merged together to produce thinner glass area. the nexus one has the traditional tiny gap. indoors booth look nearly the same (nexus one is sharper because same resolution but 3.7 inch screen. the galaxy s pixels are more visible). outdoors in sunshine is where the galaxy s might be easier to see the screen.
also, not a single other android device exists that has the desk top dock and car dock. that makes the nexus one the full package that no other android device has.
of course the nexus one has the touch screen bug, cant do more than 2 finger inputs, and has the glitch issue. so its a tough call to buy it now. since its probably only 200 dollars i'd say its a no brainer. but not 500 dollars lol.
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whats the "glitch" issue? also, is the screen nice and responsive?

dvigue said:
whats the "glitch" issue? also, is the screen nice and responsive?
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Every now and than (1-2 times a day for me) the screen calibration gets borked. So if you touch one spot it reads a few mm away sometimes it thinks your touching the soft keys. The way to "fix" the issue is to shut off the screen than wake it up again.
Thats the only issue I've had. Personally waiting for the HTC Sensation or the next Nexus variant to upgrade.

Free (so far) wireless tethering.
Although I am looking at upgrading to the HTC Sensation 4G when it comes out in June.

I love the n1 because it can do everything i use it for and its still a very responsive phone. I pay 15$ for a grandfathered unlimited data plan from att so until theres a superphone available that can do all mine can do plus more and on att(since im not interested in changing cell providers) then im not really in the new phone market.
i use mine for internet access on the road for work like a the airport for instance.
reference for research for anything and everywhere.
navigation for work and play
music streaming from my home pc with subsonic(fantastic app)
music playing locally while in the car
music music music
reminders and email for work
communication with co-workers and friends via trillian on msn/gtalk/aim/facebook
timewaster and newsreader for my google reader feeds
i dont play many games but the ones i do work decent enough
only drawbacks i see with it is the multitouch, like others have said it will think youre touching the bottom menu buttons for some reason, usually i run into this after i had docked it and undocked it or it had been charging. you can kind of reproduce it if youre movinga touch point in the top left of the screen and then tap towards the lower to mid-right. if you have a multi-touch test app you will see it thinking your finger drops straight down. you get used to it though, i dont mind it too much anymore. being able to rotate the map would be nice like on the vibrant but the two finger perpendicular slide to rotate isnt so bad. I still love my n1 a lot more than my girlfriend's vibrant which is tainted by the samsung ui overlay nonsense. give me aosp or give me death.

dvigue said:
whats the "glitch" issue? also, is the screen nice and responsive?
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the glitch is every once in a while the screen thinks you touched a different spot. this happens about once a week for me, mostly less than that. its easy to fix, just lock the phone then swipe to unlock, the issue goes away for another week lol. but it IS a hardware issue that can never be fixed, so we just live with it.
other than that i think the screen is just fine for responsive. probably not the best in the world, but its good to me. touch a spot and it registers immediately.

I love my sexy nexyyyyyy!!!! I like trackball that's why i keep my N1.
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It's a great Developer device for those who like Flashing!
I'm keeping mine for now to see what the Pyramid looks like when released...

I can get a brand new one unopened for 250 in town....

As a vibrant, vibrant 4g, n1 owner ...the build quality of the n1 is awesome. Just tits when compared to plastics.
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1) Community Support
2) Lighted Trackball - it's a lifesaver during meetings!
3) Incredibly pocket-able..thin/light/resilient
4) It's unique - and it's not a Samsung/Moto device!

XDA is no longer worth my time.