Multitouch: HD2 vs. Nexus One - Nexus One General

Doesnt the HD2 have the same clearpad 2000 touch screen as our nexus ones? If so then how come its touch screen's mulitouch out performs the Nexus Ones?
HD2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgrsq2-Vy7Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXNY6ssujo&feature=related
Nexus One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhUzq6bTPg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds5qZ_3XRzI
I really hope that they both have the same touch screens because if they do..that means our touch screen problem is fixable software not permanent hardware

bobdude5 said:
Doesnt the HD2 have the same clearpad 2000 touch screen as our nexus ones? If so then how come its touch screen's mulitouch out performs the Nexus Ones?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgrsq2-Vy7Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXNY6ssujo&feature=related
I really hope that they both have the same touch screens because if they do..that means our touch screen problem is fixable software not permanent hardware
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clearly you do not know what problems our touch screen really has...
watch those videos again... notice how there is a jump when the points cross axes... your nexus does this too...
the calibration touch issue is just something to do with either the screen or simply poor coding of the recalibration when the phone gets rotated... the real issue is still shown in those videos and that is when fingers make a motion and "cross axes" and the points "jump" to be in line with each other because the touch screen recognizes inputs based on x and y inputs....
I have come to just accept the reality... the touch screens on our phones blow, plain and simple... I only hope that they put out a version of the 3000 that I can install myself down the road because not being able to play alot of games that require multi-touch and axis crossing with accuracy is a huge let down for me and this phone...

yes but the nexus seems much worse

bobdude5 said:
yes but the nexus seems much worse
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Yes, i agree. There wasn't any axis flipping, and i don't believe those tests were just "lucky" to not have flipping. Are they actually the SAME touchscreen? Could this be a possible fix of some sort? I don't have my nexus yet, (I do have a G1 so i know how the touch screen reacts) but i do want better multi touch when it comes,if possible

bobdude5 said:
Doesnt the HD2 have the same clearpad 2000 touch screen as our nexus ones? If so then how come its touch screen's mulitouch out performs the Nexus Ones?
HD2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgrsq2-Vy7Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXNY6ssujo&feature=related
Nexus One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhUzq6bTPg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds5qZ_3XRzI
I really hope that they both have the same touch screens because if they do..that means our touch screen problem is fixable software not permanent hardware
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ive played with multitouch on the hd2 and it does not feel as fluid as the nexus one. and i never notice any weird crap happen while multiyouching in apps, so these videos are worthless. seems like a software issue to me more than anything

JHaste said:
clearly you do not know what problems our touch screen really has...
watch those videos again... notice how there is a jump when the points cross axes... your nexus does this too...
the calibration touch issue is just something to do with either the screen or simply poor coding of the recalibration when the phone gets rotated... the real issue is still shown in those videos and that is when fingers make a motion and "cross axes" and the points "jump" to be in line with each other because the touch screen recognizes inputs based on x and y inputs....
I have come to just accept the reality... the touch screens on our phones blow, plain and simple... I only hope that they put out a version of the 3000 that I can install myself down the road because not being able to play alot of games that require multi-touch and axis crossing with accuracy is a huge let down for me and this phone...
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thank you for agreeing lol... sadly this is the reality... everyone should really just accept it...
if you refute and want to think differently, watch the videos again and there is a very decisive JUMP of the 2 touch points when they either get close to lining up in either the x or y coordinate or if they simply get too close together... the switching to the inverse is a whole other story prolly having to do with the screen not being able to register the movement fast enough and accurately so it guesses the motion and again fails miserably...

Uhm... You know, its not Multitouch.
Lets call it Dual-Touch
"Pinch-to-Zoom" is way more fluid/smooth on the Nexus One.

JHaste said:
thank you for agreeing lol... sadly this is the reality... everyone should really just accept it...
if you refute and want to think differently, watch the videos again and there is a very decisive JUMP of the 2 touch points when they either get close to lining up in either the x or y coordinate or if they simply get too close together... the switching to the inverse is a whole other story prolly having to do with the screen not being able to register the movement fast enough and accurately so it guesses the motion and again fails miserably...
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Yeah, I use to call BS then I accepted the fact that we have a old touchscreen, thanks HTC. Beats the X10 thought, that thing fails hard, not even pinch to zoom hardware support lol!

z3ntn3l said:
Uhm... You know, its not Multitouch.
Lets call it Dual-Touch
"Pinch-to-Zoom" is way more fluid/smooth on the Nexus One.
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i am not even pleased with pinch to zoom to be honest... i hate to say it but the iphone has way more fluid pinch-zoom

JHaste said:
i am not even pleased with pinch to zoom to be honest... i hate to say it but the iphone has way more fluid pinch-zoom
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Double tap is way better for zooming into specific areas of a page instantly. Plus it resizes contents perfectly.

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X1 or touch hd

hello, im new to xda and i need a new phone asap. i cant decide between these 2 phones. i dont need a keyboard but would really like one and i dont need a big screen but it needs to be big enough to watch movies on, do word docs and powerpoints. anyone who has the x1, is the screen small for you? if you had to choose one of these phones and u had the money, which one would you get?
Touch HD: Big screen, accelerometer
Xperia: Hardware keyboard
I have both, and my vote goes to Touch HD. Mostly because of the screen size (big, but not too big. And it's finger friendly!).
The hardware keyboard on X1 is really nice however. So if you type often, go for the X1.
Everyones taste is different, so I recommend going to the closest retail store and check em both out
i might as well wait for the touch pro 2, only .2 of an inch smaller than the hd but also has a keyboard. also has a tilting screen and it looks like its made of metal.
catsrule30 said:
i might as well wait for the touch pro 2, only .2 of an inch smaller than the hd but also has a keyboard. also has a tilting screen and it looks like its made of metal.
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Sound like a good plan
do you know if its made of metal or plastic?
This has been discussed before, but more than a million words, better take a look at the POLL (link on my signature)
dogans said:
Touch HD: Big screen, accelerometer
Xperia: Hardware keyboard
I have both, and my vote goes to Touch HD. Mostly because of the screen size (big, but not too big. And it's finger friendly!).
The hardware keyboard on X1 is really nice however. So if you type often, go for the X1.
Everyones taste is different, so I recommend going to the closest retail store and check em both out
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The keyboard is good until it gets unresponsive.
catsrule30 said:
i might as well wait for the touch pro 2, only .2 of an inch smaller than the hd but also has a keyboard. also has a tilting screen and it looks like its made of metal.
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dogans said:
Sound like a good plan
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Wait for the Touch Pro2.
gtrab said:
This has been discussed before, but more than a million words, better take a look at the POLL (link on my signature)
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Do other users have a big banner in their signature asking for people to vote for their device?
my vote goes for the X1, better battery, better support (here in Sweden) hardware keyboard (very needed) and flashlight (better camera) I don't watch movies on my phones, but yes it looks good when watching with the Xperia screen, otherwise I use my PSP or my HP TX1020 (12") if I really need to watch movies when on a trip or something
imo the touch hd only have one advantage and it's the screen, I don't see the accelerometer like a "big" thing...

Blackstone Replacement

Ok guys, whats next for us, anyone have any hard facts about what HTC is going to replace our lovely Touch HDs with? still have quite a while left on my contract but im curious whats around the corner....
Agreed... I was thinking about HTC HERO but I dont think I can live with a screen that small
Guys,
Has anyone noticed that since the Blackstone, HTC has not made any phones with a screen that is as big as the Touch HD? (3.8 inches). I've only seen 3.6 inches so far. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Cheers.
You are correct 3.6" max: in my opinion we must wait early 2010 to see other device like HD
D'rath
Really looking forward to the HTC Thoth.....with the current on screen keyboard....I would'nt mind leaving the physical keyboard at home.....provided they launch it soon.....but kinda looking forward to one of their devices using the new Nvidia chips as well....
Yup, i'd only really be interested in one of the new Nvidia chipset devices as a replacement.
.. And an AMOLED display .. bloomin daylight :-(
the size on the HD is just perfect, ive tried some smaller ones since and its just not the same, i can see me using this thing until its fallen to bits unless a HD2 with a similar design comes out, its a perfect iPhone compeditor we just need a bit more grunt, OLEDS would be very cool, but i think we would have to drop the stylus, the metal wires in the screen reduce the brightness by a huge amount and im not sure how OLEDs compare with backlit LCD
Having had a Touch HD and Touch Pro2 I know why they don't make such a large screen anymore.
Using the TouchPro2's screen requires minimal 'touchdown' all around the screen - its consistent, whereas the Touch HD (I've had three of these) all exhibit the same issue - The middle of the screen requires less effort to register a screen press than the outer sides - making it inconsistent. I'm assuming this is due to the larger screen size the touch element of the phone has to cover....
Don't get me wrong - I loved my Touch HD but after the usual HTC and qualcomm marlaky of missing hardware drivers I'm pretty peeved off and have now deflect to the iphone 3GS. Yes its no-where near as technically superior as the Touch HD - but the screen and hardware acceleration make it very fluid to use.
Signed up to a 24month contract with the 3GS as I doubt very much HTC will be releasing anything decent (i.e. With a decent graphics chipset) for a while yet......
Agreed with the above posts..
Having OLED would be pretty cool... and maybe a capacitive touch screen-- however I doubt this as it wouldn't be compatible with handwriting recognition. Maybe better technology will overcome this someday as for now I can only dream... :/
zoomee,
I'll have to agree. The edges are not as responsive as the center. This is especially apparent in things like the X button on the top right.
Cheers.
zoomee said:
Having had a Touch HD and Touch Pro2 I know why they don't make such a large screen anymore.
Using the TouchPro2's screen requires minimal 'touchdown' all around the screen - its consistent, whereas the Touch HD (I've had three of these) all exhibit the same issue - The middle of the screen requires less effort to register a screen press than the outer sides - making it inconsistent. I'm assuming this is due to the larger screen size the touch element of the phone has to cover....
Don't get me wrong - I loved my Touch HD but after the usual HTC and qualcomm marlaky of missing hardware drivers I'm pretty peeved off and have now deflect to the iphone 3GS. Yes its no-where near as technically superior as the Touch HD - but the screen and hardware acceleration make it very fluid to use.
Signed up to a 24month contract with the 3GS as I doubt very much HTC will be releasing anything decent (i.e. With a decent graphics chipset) for a while yet......
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ah well, so no one has any news on anything to replace the Touch HD with. Pitty, they are losing out on market share to Apple. Unless that is they already figure the market is lost to them...

What are capacitive screens really good for?

First things first: I generally like my HD2 - It's fast, has a nice display and a lot of other nice features but the touch screen outright sucks and is bordering on useless. Of course the iphone screen isn't much better but it still beats the HD2 screen hands down.
What's all the fuss about capacitive screens? All I can see is a loss in functionality. I hear their more durable but who cares whether the screen lasts 3 years or 10???? It's nowhere near as precise as any other touch screen device I ever owned. I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
I installed a sensitivity fix cab and it's somewhat usable for day to day stuff but still.....the 4.3" screen is nowhere near as usable as the 3" my X1 had and I could operate that with my finger only quite all right.
Seems like there nothing in capacitive screens other than being iphone-like. Why not have a 4.3" resistive screen? What's the actual downside?
ewok666 said:
try playing crayon physics
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I am and it works just fine for me
There are styluses (styli?) available for cap. screens also though.
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
Glass can be used. Less vulnerable.
multi touch can be implemented.
more touch sensetive.
The advantige of resistive touch screens:
more accurate without software.
simple styles can be used.
cheap.
greatings,
marc
ewok666 said:
I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
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Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
I'd say the biggest downside of capacitive screens is the absence of multitouch capabilities. I have absolutely no problems operating my phone with it's capacitive screen. So to speak, Windows Mobile 6.x.x isn't really optimized for it anyways, as the HD2 was the first phone with capacitive screen on the platform.
If you wanted to work precise with a stylus then maybe you shouldn't have bought an HD2 in the first place.
ewok666 said:
... try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk
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No offence but I would say that not being able to play/finish crayon physics deluxe with this peace of jewellery is of course not caused by the screen or the phone. I would search the cause somewhere else.....
ewok666 said:
First things first: I generally like my HD2 - It's fast, has a nice display and a lot of other nice features but the touch screen outright sucks and is bordering on useless. Of course the iphone screen isn't much better but it still beats the HD2 screen hands down.
What's all the fuss about capacitive screens? All I can see is a loss in functionality. I hear their more durable but who cares whether the screen lasts 3 years or 10???? It's nowhere near as precise as any other touch screen device I ever owned. I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
I installed a sensitivity fix cab and it's somewhat usable for day to day stuff but still.....the 4.3" screen is nowhere near as usable as the 3" my X1 had and I could operate that with my finger only quite all right.
Seems like there nothing in capacitive screens other than being iphone-like. Why not have a 4.3" resistive screen? What's the actual downside?
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The whole benefit of a capacitive screen for me is that I don't have to use a stylus. If I wanted to use a stylus I would have gone for a different phone.
Why did you buy this phone if you wanted to use a stylus? You can however get one, have you tried that first before falling out with the phone? It could fulfill all your needs and then you'll see how good the HD2 is.
I think that it is a matter of habit and getting used to resistive screens in your case. I havent had a resistive screen ever but i played a quite a lot with some and i must say that capacitive is much more interactive, finger friendly and intuitive than resistive so you might just try not to be so stuborn and give it a chance Everytime i try to do something with my girlfriends' resistive samsung and i keep getting stuck with not knowing how hard should I push the screen exactly ... I am not a fan of the resistive and after all it is called TOUCH screen not a Push screen Enjoy your Hd mate !
You can use fingers on resistive touchscreens. These days even resistive touchscreens can have multitouch.
I think the main advantage of capacitive screen is the glass, as was mentioned. Resistive screen must deform under the touching object, which means it wears down.
For phone, capacitive screen is just ok.
For tablet PCs, I'd like to see combination of capacitive screen with electromagnetic stylus (like tablet has) where you could switch the mode.
Capacitive screen is good for fast controls, but if you draw with stylus, you don't want the screen to react on random touches.
For example iPad has rather thick borders around the screen .. because you have to hold it somehow without actually touching the screen.
ewok666 said:
try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk
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The game is so addictive i completed this morning. Try junking your fingers?
A capacitive screen makes our screen a real touch screen instead of 'tap screen'.
kruithofm said:
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
more touch sensetive.
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I don't think so. Resistive is much more sensitive and precise. Pen stroke input used to be the reason PPC stuck to resistive input.
Being an HD2 fan doesn't mean a capacitive fan. Capacitive is the reason that I nearly bought an Omnia II instead of HD2. For me, it is something to hate.
With resistive, I don't mind carrying around a stylus when it means I can do precision work. And I can still use my fingers when I need to.
Now that we have WVGA, I believe now that we can sacrifice screen estate and use huge UIs so that capacitive screen can survive. But that means old applications written for resistive screens (including WM6.1 dialogues) usually have too small UIs for use on HD2.
Alex, That the Capacitive touch is more sensetive is an advantige, with the interface or software you can decrese the sensetivety. On resistive touch screens it is technicaly inposible to get the sensetivety as high as on capacitive.
It is posible to make resistive touch screens multitouch. only that takes a lot of software to calculate positions of pressing.
The techniek is very different between both. therefore you love it or you don't. some get used to it, some don't. It is all personal. There are even people who love the small keyboards. And even my wife loves only the number keys on the normal simple phones since she uses the dictionairy. And I have to say, She is faster writing a sms than me.
So everyone should use whatever they like. Every option has it's advantiges.
johncmolyneux said:
Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
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I should have been more specific: The junk I'm referring to is the screen and NOT the device. Like I said, I like the device but IMHO all the 'advantages' of capacitive don't make up for its downsides.
Just to address some of the comments:
Resistive screens CAN be touch operated without a stylus
They do NOT break down all the time
AFAIK they CAN support multitouch
Maybe it's just the crappy implementation of capacitive that HTC has done. The Iphone screen does not seem to suffer from all the issues the HD2 has:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
Are capacitive screen really a requirement for WM7?
ewok666 said:
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
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Learn before you preach.
johncmolyneux said:
Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
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Hahahahahaha!!! John is right. Better be careful what you post on this forum.
I say put your fingers on a strict diet! Enroll them in a exercise regime until you can use your "piece of junk" effectively.
Well, for me the #1 reason for me to get an HD2 IS the capacitive screen.
I've had many many resistive screen devices (1 old pocketpc, 4 HTC phones, 2 touch-enabled UMPCs), and I'm tired of having to use my nail to press on that screen. It's perfectly fine on old-style UIs that rely on clicks only, but for the "new" flick, scroll, tap, pinch, rotate, capacitive is just the way to go.
Still getting mad when I tap my Kaiser's screen with my finger (not the nail) and it thinks I want to scroll, and goes 2 pages down... only works fine with something sharp, whatever the settings/tweaks.
capacitive is a reason to buy for me: it is what made the HD2 stand out for me. I will never go back to resistive technology.
I must say though that in my opinion the iPhone display is of a superior quality, not in terms of pixel count, but certainly in terms of its accuracy, sensitivity and reliability. it is simply a lot easier to tap out words on the iPhone than on the HD2. It also responds better to cold (if I go out in the winter breeze I sometimes find my HD2 starts pressing keys and moving the screen about of its own accord).
ewok666 said:
I should have been more specific: The junk I'm referring to is the screen and NOT the device. Like I said, I like the device but IMHO all the 'advantages' of capacitive don't make up for its downsides.
Just to address some of the comments:
Resistive screens CAN be touch operated without a stylus
They do NOT break down all the time
AFAIK they CAN support multitouch
Maybe it's just the crappy implementation of capacitive that HTC has done. The Iphone screen does not seem to suffer from all the issues the HD2 has:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
Are capacitive screen really a requirement for WM7?
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try walkin down the street while tryin to send an sms using the stylus on a resistive screen...u'll be sooo glad ur hd2 is capacitive...
kruithofm said:
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
Glass can be used. Less vulnerable.
multi touch can be implemented.
more touch sensetive.
The advantige of resistive touch screens:
more accurate without software.
simple styles can be used.
cheap.
greatings,
marc
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What touchscreen does the EVO 4G use??

So one thing that bugs the living heck out of me is the lame touchscreen on my Nexus One... Does anyone know what touchscreen this phone is going to be using????
I can honestly say that's the SINGLE thing keeping me from thinking about ditching my N1 for this phone...
EDIT ADDON: I'm not talking about the display screen type, I'm trying to find out the manufacturer and model of the touchscreen used in the EVO 4G
tropmonky said:
So one thing that bugs the living heck out of me is the lame touchscreen on my Nexus One... Does anyone know what touchscreen this phone is going to be using????
I can honestly say that's the SINGLE thing keeping me from thinking about ditching my N1 for this phone...
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I was wondering the same thing and posted this on another forum. I guess it is relevant here too.
I have been reading up on this a bit more and I don't think there is enough information yet to make a call on whether this is AMOLED or TFT LCD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnQcsC-qjpo
In this video at exactly 3:00, some representative (from Sprint or HTC?) specifically says that the display is a 4.3" TFT display and NOT AMOLED :
http://developer.sprint.com/site/global/develop/mobile_platforms/android/android.jsp
I also found this link in a thread on androidcentral.com which is a Sprint developers site that states the following:
Display
Type: amoled captive multi-touch
Size: 4.3 inches wga
Resolution: 800x480 (WVGA)
HDMI output: YES
I guess the verdict is still out on this issue unless someone else has anything to add.
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I have been reading up on this a bit more and I don't think there is enough information yet to make a call on whether this is AMOLED or TFT LCD.
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Oh, it's TFT like you hear the reps say in the videos, that's all over the place in the videos released just a couple days ago as you've already seen... it's a really really high quality TFT.. I just haven't been able to find out the Touchscreen yet.
For me, this is also the number one area of concern. My understanding is that the technology is quite different from iPhone's. It would be really good if they can have the accurate and predictable screen behaviour of iPhone's touchscreen. My guess is that iPhone has already patented their touchscreen technolgy so it would not be legal to copy it now.
Pretty much everywhere you look, and including the rep, its a TFT screen. The AMOLED was what many thought the "Supersonic" would have, but when the Evo was announced, it was said to be TFT.
But then, alot of people are saying TFT > AMOLED for practical use (sunlight issues). Sure you can bring up Super AMOLED, but I'm not sure HTC has the rights to use that technology yet.
My main concern is the accuracy of the touch screen manufactured by HTC.
See this report if you have not done so yet:
http://labs.moto.com/robot_touchscreen_analysis/
Yeah, condensed version for those at work:
ArsTechnica
But, with a screen that large - I doubt touchscreen performance will be lacking. Has anyone heard any issues with the HD2's touchscreen performance?
I have both the HD2 and the 3GS.
The HD2 touchscreen is crude compared to the iPhone.
On a web page, links often cannot be selected, and the keyboard is horrible to use despite the fact that is larger than the iphone's.
The keyboard responds to the last input detected. Touch a letter and as you move your finger away and brush another letter that is the one that is selected, which is a major hassle.
Also pinch & zoom is very limited on the HD2.
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Pretty much everywhere you look, and including the rep, its a TFT screen. The AMOLED was what many thought the "Supersonic" would have, but when the Evo was announced, it was said to be TFT.
But then, alot of people are saying TFT > AMOLED for practical use (sunlight issues). Sure you can bring up Super AMOLED, but I'm not sure HTC has the rights to use that technology yet.
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The original question isn't about the display screen. I don't care about TFT or AMOLED, I'm only taking about the touchscreen which has nothing to do with the display.
http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/clearpad
The current problems with basically all the current HTC phones is that they use a Synaptics 2000 touchscreen... The N1 has basically the same touch hardware as the G1 and all the current HTC phones... Frankly it sucks for a modern day "superphone", I say modern day smartphone that relies on touch for it's only input. It's sad that HTC/Google went with a inferior touchscreen compared to the iPhone which has been out for how many years already? Clearly for multitouch games and applications to work properly the Synaptics 2000 just won't cut it.
I'm hoping the EVO will move to the Synaptics 3000 screen which is true multitouch. That's what I'm trying to find out, what manufacturer and model is the touchscreen.
You can see a demo of the Synaptics 3000 in action here: http://vimeo.com/5739205
Ahhhh, true multitouch like the iPhone. I bet all the wackness I get when trying to type fast will go away with this. Oh, and the phone won't freak out if part of my hand is touching the side of the glass ever so slightly.
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The original question isn't about the display screen. I don't care about TFT or AMOLED, I'm only taking about the touchscreen which has nothing to do with the display.
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Wow.. Well thanks for the edit now, atleast. My apologies for not digging so deep into your question. I do know about the Synaptic screens, however, I do not know if the EVO is 2000 or 3000.
Again, I'm SO sorry for not understanding initially.
no worries, I just feel the need to spell everything out because, well it's the internet.
I hope a new kick butt Android phone comes out this year with true multitouch... I miss the iPhone quality a lot.
...That was supposed to be sarcasm, but oh well, glad we're all happy.
..Anyways, after a little digging, I found a rumor that Synaptics isn't doing the touchscreen for the Evo, Atmel is.
Could be bogus, but who knows.
Whew, more than I could find out which was/is nothing, LOL!
Being HTC has used Synaptics in all (From what I know) of the recent phones over the last 2yrs I find it hard they would go somewhere else... But hey, maybe Synaptics is asking too high of a price for the new 3000 screen... who knows..
That 4in 4G phone sure looks awesome though!
News article quote I found..
This little-known company (Atmel) supplies chips for the Apple iPad, according to the tech design consultancy Chipworks. Atmel has also taken business from another Under the Radar pick, Synaptics(SYNA), by supplying touch screens for HTC's new Evo device, according to Lazard Capital Markets.
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http://www.thestreet.com/story/10723835/1/ipad-boom-could-catapult-small-chipmaker.html
I've only played with the iPad at work, and not extensively, but the thing has a pretty dang good responsive touchscreen. Again, this is from 2-3 days of use, so not entirely sure.. But I've had little issues with it.
NICE FIND! I hope it's true, if so it sounds like the EVO may get the same quality as the iPhone....
thumb friendly
I think multitouch on a phone is over rated. It's an inconvenient gimmick. I prefer operations that can be done one handed. I'd rather double tap to zoom so I don't spill my coffee on my phone.
keatre said:
News article quote I found..
http://www.thestreet.com/story/10723835/1/ipad-boom-could-catapult-small-chipmaker.html
I've only played with the iPad at work, and not extensively, but the thing has a pretty dang good responsive touchscreen. Again, this is from 2-3 days of use, so not entirely sure.. But I've had little issues with it.
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If the news is true that HTC Supersonic uses the same screen as iPhone, then I'll be extremely happy. Everyone knows iPhone still have the best touch screen technology, although that technology is 3 years old now. There as a robotic test done to compare the various screen. You should be able to google it and find the test report.
Manicmobileaddict said:
I think multitouch on a phone is over rated. It's an inconvenient gimmick. I prefer operations that can be done one handed. I'd rather double tap to zoom so I don't spill my coffee on my phone.
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I have to respectfully disagree with you.
Multitouch is fantastic if the software developers knows how to use it. My web browser in iPhone is an example of where multitouch has been put to good use. Double finger left to go the previous tab, double finger right to go the next tab, three fingers to bring up the favourites, etc, etc. On full screen, where you do not want any button to clutter the web page, such possibility is pure joy. Another example, you could have a music player where you can double finger left to go to previous song, double finger right to go to next song, three fingers up to use the next playlist, etc. You can safely use the music player like this while driving!
I guess I'll jump into the frey. The iPhone set the standard when there wasn't one. Apple has done a monumental job on it's portable devices, where, arguably, their computers could have had broader appeal - but I digress.
My HD2 has some very nice features, but it took me a month to get used to the capacitive screen, with and without the touch sensitivity tweaks available in the HD2 forum. The pinch to zoom functions work well in opera (I don't use PIE), but other applications, like media player are not suited for this functions, even though it works using a homegrown app posted on the HD2 forum.
I'm guessing the EVO will have the same, non AMOLED, TFT capacitive screen the HD2 has. I've seen the HD2 next to the iPhone in sunlight. iPhone absolutely blows the HD2 away, so I try my best to stay out of the light. I live in the NW US, so that's not usually a problem.
I've found the back hardkey button works nicely for previous browser or application screen, but lack of forward function in the browser is quite frustrating.
One last thing. In most states driving while using headphone is illegal. Please do so safely with one eye out for the police.
So I'm a bit confused here... The HTC Evo and HD2 have the same screen, yeah? So the HD2 has the amtel chip... Would we then be able to say all the trouble with HD2 screen (see prev poster) will also come with the EVO?

[Q] Is it possible getting multi touch?

I know the LG Optimus has a resistive touch screen, but is it possible to get muti touch by replacing original touchscreen to a glass touch screen and a new digitizer?
I cannot say it is impossible, because everything is possible. I think it is not worth
That's quite a big question, one problem that stands out is the odd shape of the GT540's screen, it doesn't stop as such where the screen stops, it stops before the real buttons, that would suggest to me that you'd have to have a custom screen and digitizer with those resistive buttons we have at the bottom (MENU, BACK) changed to capacitive, a custom screen would probably cost more than the phone itself. But if you do decide to waste a load of money outfitting a phone instead of buying a new one, on top of that you'd have to be able to program drivers for the display to work and you would have to modify your software that your phone runs top work with multi-touch.
So in short, really, no.
But if we had a load of developers (which we don't) what could be designed is a counter-point which isn't multi-touch in the traditional sense and is a software work-around, but still a bit of a waste of time.
I think is very strong to realize.
But i should be wonder
It's a very hard work... I don't think we'll have multitouch soon...
i will really want multitouch but think about it, its just cheaper and less time consuming to just get a new phone..
I am not permitted to post links, so search on youtube ''lg gt540 multi touch'' (without the quotes). First result is the one.
about the video:
This guy made a workaround for basic dualtouch. AFAIK and see one finger needs to be hold in place.
HI MrAndroid12
I think it's possible only if some one tweaks the kernel for recognizing multiple points
after replacing the resistive touch screen to capacitive one...
I would like to clear one thing to everyone who have an wrong notion about resistive touch screen..
A resistive touch screen can recognize a stylus or a small area of touch well
but a capacitive screen can recognize a larger area of touch like a finger..
and some resistive screen devices can multi touch..
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and some resistive screen devices can multi touch..
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Which?
Sent from my GT540 using XDA App
Resisitive
This phone has a RESISTIVE touch screen:
http://www.gsmarena.com/multitouch_coming_to_for_nokia_5800_xpressmusic_sort_of-news-872.php
subham964 said:
HI MrAndroid12
I would like to clear one thing to everyone who have an wrong notion about resistive touch screen..
A resistive touch screen can recognize a stylus or a small area of touch well
but a capacitive screen can recognize a larger area of touch like a finger..
and some resistive screen devices can multi touch..
Thanks are welcome if you found this post useful... Mail me for more details
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Our GT540 has a really qualitative resistive screen, compared with others. And, yes, I really like using a stylus, for handwritten notes for example (I still miss my LG Cookie for that function).
It's true that capacitive screens have been advertized as better than resistive.
It is true,if you like responsiveness and the highest standards of all have been set by Apple in this field.
However, it is not ONLY responsiveness that matters in some cases, right?
It would be good if LG did
make lg gt540 multi-touch!!
sad...
Another issue to be aware of is the electronics to drive a capacitative screen are different to those for a resistive one. I think a lot more work would be involved beyond just drivers and actually finding a screen that would work.
androidboss7 said:
It would be good if LG did
make lg gt540 multi-touch!!
sad...
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Can't agree more. I just can't wait for my next phone
it's possible.. but it's very expensive..

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