Soft installation - Device or SD? - Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General

Hello,
I have got question about soft installation. I have always problem to decide where should I install software. If I was able I would install all in device memory which as HTC Touch user unfortunetaly I am short of.
So what I am doing is:
- Installing as few software as I can (If You dont need it, dont install it)
- All "Today" plugins on device
So as for now I have 90% of my software installed on device and have 3MB of free space
Once I have tried to install only "Today" plugin (I am using SPB Pocket Plus) on device and rest on SD card, but I had freezes after every soft reset. I read somewhere that after boot, device first load device memory and then SD, so if device trying to load program from SD after soft-reset, which is not mapped (visible) yet device freezes.
My question is where do You install software, and what can be installed on SD for sure and I will be not getting freezes/errors.
Regards,
Brachson

brachson said:
So what I am doing is:
- Installing as few software as I can (If You dont need it, dont install it)
- All "Today" plugins on device
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This is usually a good idea.
brachson said:
Once I have tried to install only "Today" plugin (I am using SPB Pocket Plus) on device and rest on SD card, but I had freezes after every soft reset. I read somewhere that after boot, device first load device memory and then SD, so if device trying to load program from SD after soft-reset, which is not mapped (visible) yet device freezes.
My question is where do You install software, and what can be installed on SD for sure and I will be not getting freezes/errors.
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Here's an idea for you. Look for programs that are in Windows/Startup. If any of these are installed in the SD then they might be what are causing your problems.

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Very strange,can't delete or add any file on my xda II

Strange indeed, I can't delete or add any file, when I try to do so, the small circle shows up to show that the pocket pc is working, then nothing happing it keeps going round till it blocks. I had this problem before and I solved it with a hard rest. I don't have the intention to hard reset again. Anyboby had this weird problem??
I might add that i can delete the files on my computer through activesync with no problem. I have O2 German upgraded to the T-mobile 1.60 english.. so any clues whatsoever???
What software do you have installed, I would be inclined to do a backup then hard reset, then when reinstalling software check if the problem occurs after each installation of your programs, this might pin it down to a program that is locking all files for some reason.
It seems that it happens randomly, cuz when I made a backup I didn't had this problem.Then when the problem occured I restored but the problem remailned. I have a lot of programs installed I wans doubting Microsoft voice command but the problem remailned after uninstalling it other programs(metro,tomtom 2,finger clix,fullscreen keyboard,sms writer,xcpuscalar,pocketMVP) any of these programs is known to force this problem. Thanks
I don't know that any of these programs by themselves are known to cause this behavior - but sometimes combinations of programs, glitches during installations, or any of a dozen other things can cause abnormal behavior.
I would agree with cruisin-thru . . . the only way to be sure if it is one of the programs you have installed, and if so which, is to do a hard-reset and install the programs one-at-a-time, giving some time for testing between installations.
Same problem here
Yep - I have had and currently have the same problem.
Uninstalling programs does not help, only a hard reset and then reinstall one by one testing as you go.
I have done a hard reset in the past, but never built it back up to the same spec, so have not pin pointed an app (if it is an app)
It may help if you compare to my install list ??
Let me know how it goes,
Ian
Adode Acrobat Reader 1.0
Astraware Bejeweled
Astraware Bookworm
Belkin WPDAK
Boma Software Reversi Game for Po...
Fonix UK Roger (2 MB)
Fonix VoiceDial 1.2 EN
Macromedia Flash Player ActiveX
Microsoft Money for Pocket PC
MTUX RingToneX
Pocket Bluetooth Tools
PocketMac_CEWindows.Net RegKin...
Realnetworks RealOne Player
SanDisk Wi-Fi SD Card for WinCE 4.00
SBSH.net Birth2Day
SBSH.net Calendar Plus Proffessional
SBSH.net iLauncher
ScaryBear Software Check Notificati...
Smartphone4u Extended ROM Switc...
I have also had, but removed now:
mov Software imov Messenger(tm)
>Strange indeed, I can't delete or add any file, when I try to do so, the >small circle shows up to show that the pocket pc is working, then >nothing happing it keeps going round till it blocks. I had this problem >before and I solved it with a hard rest. I don't have the intention to hard >reset again. Anyboby had this weird problem??[/quote]
I think that there is a bug which appear only when you use the SD card slot.
I've the same strange randomic problem, the workaround is:
- Remove SD Card
- Softreset
- Reinsert SD Card
At least, you don't need hard reset anymore
I think that there is a bug which appear only when you use the SD card slot.
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All I can say about that is that I use SD cards extensively, and I have never experienced the behavior that whafni77 describes. It could be . . . but I'm skeptical.
Maddoc ur the man, it really resolved the problem and u made me feel small not having thinked of that. For the rocord the only program in common with InaF is Pocket Bluetooth Tools, don't know if it has something to do with it. Thanks guys
Well what do you know!!!
Well Maddoc, this just goes to prove you learn something new every day!
o I tried to delete a file in File Explorer - it hung
o I killed off File Explorer from the running program list - probably not required, but just to prove the file had really been deleted
o I ejected my SD card - a very cheaply made one
o Soft Reset
o Tried to delete another file - and it worked !!
o Inserted the SD card
o Tried to delete another file - and it worked !!
I'm very happy, and the confusion as to why it is acting like this will soon disappear.
Thanks again!
That's the good part, the bad one is that you have to pull out the SD card every single time you do a soft reset, but I'm satisfied with that until someone knows what the heck is going on.
BRosenow said:
I think that there is a bug which appear only when you use the SD card slot.
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All I can say about that is that I use SD cards extensively, and I have never experienced the behavior that whafni77 describes. It could be . . . but I'm skeptical.
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Just to add some extra informations...
In my office there are 2 qtek2020 users, me and another friend.
The only differences between devices is that i use SD cards regulary and only my device is having this kind of problem, the frequency of this problem arises when i use TOMTOM navigator and the maps are stored in SD card.
The results are the same with my 256mb sandisk and 128mb pretec.
Seems that at some point the QTEK2020( and i think also mda/imate etc... ) is unable to "receive" file change notifications( or something like that ) and the results are:
1) You can't delete file with "file explorer"( hourglass loop )
2) If you write a new note and save it, you can't even see the note on the list !!!
3) If you install another application, the program group/start menu is not updated !!!
BTW i've just reformatted my 256mb sd card with flashformat two days ago, no problem for the moment but i'm not using navigator now...
Thanks to all
I stand corrected! Partially anyway . . . :wink:
Since I do not use TomTom Navigator (or any other GPS software for that matter) it is conceivable that the software is corrupting the FAT on the SD card.
Have you tried using StorageTools (or other similar software) to scan (automatically fix all errors) and defrag the SD card to see if it has any effect?
Well I formatted the SD card(pdc 256) with storage tool and fixed all errors(tried fat32&16) but the problem still there. The thing remains to try is to uninstall TomTom2 along with the Gps software to see if it solves. :?:
A key point here is that even uninstalling might not solve the problem. It is a sad fact that many times when you uninstall a program, both on PCs and PPCs, it is not uncommon for registry entries to be left behind, unnecessary .dlls and other files to remain, and some files that were overwritten by newer (or older) versions to remain as well. This is why several of us have stressed hard-resetting the device . . . it is the ONLY way to be sure you are starting from a known platform.
SD problems
I've only seen these type of problems if I haven't first formatted the card in the target device first.
Well finally the problem resolved. I should say the hint that mrg2003 gave is really the solution,in other words you should not format the card from the device but rather from the card reader(fat and not fat32) and bingo no more blocks. I should say this forum is great. Cheerz :lol:
Re: SD problems
mrg2003 said:
I've only seen these type of problems if I haven't first formatted the card in the target device first.
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I confirm, i formatted my sd with flash format... No problems at all now !!!!
I really don't understand this perfectly right! I have an SD Card and the same problem as all of you state.
What do I have to do? I use the Qtek 2020...
Thanx in advance.
Still have a problem and can someone help me with it!
I formatted the sd card with a lot of tools through the Qtek, like storagetools and flash format.
Afterwards I tried to format through windows format tool!!
But none of them worked and still have the problem of the hourglass..... Can somebody help me? I have a Sandisk 256 MB Ultra II.
Thanx in advance

The file X cannot be opened.... Not signed.... ARGH!

Hey all,
I've searched through this as much as I could, and found a few things, but nothing that's ident.
My problem occurs even after a clean hard reset, and has only happened since the latest ROM update, so if anyone else has it please can you say if you get this problem... or don't...
Basically, my T-Mobile Pro will work fine for a while, but then I go to it any time after 10 mins of being clammed, and with virtually everything I try to load it comes up with an error dialog saying:
"The file 'X' cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate, or one of tis components cannot be found. You might need to reinstall or restore this file."
But this is with EVERYTHING, HTCMesages.exe, HTCCalender.exe, Contacts.exe, TomTom Navigator.exe...... EVERYTHING, ARGH!
The only way to sort it is soft reset, and then everythings okay, for a while anyway... till all of a sudden.....
The only things I've got on apart from the standard T-Mobile ROM is TomTom Navigator 5.21 and PocketBreeze 5. But I'm sure it's nowt to do with either of those...
Please someone, anyone,,, HELP :-/
ARGH! Just after I posted before I hard reset and got it going again.... until now.... :evil: :evil:
1st: Do you use a SD Card? If YES, does the file you try to open in the SD card. Try using a different SD card and see if you still get the same Error Message.
2nd: Do you use WM5torage or Softick's SD Card reader? If YES to either of them, you might have set them on "ACTIVATE" mode then of course you will get the Error message if you try to launch any application on the card while using any of them because you gave the control to your computer to read the card instead. The solution is to keep then on INACTIVE state while using the apps or install them in the Internal Memory rather than the card.
Hope this helps.
cktlcmd said:
1st: Do you use a SD Card? If YES, does the file you try to open in the SD card. Try using a different SD card and see if you still get the same Error Message.
2nd: Do you use WM5torage or Softick's SD Card reader? If YES to either of them, you might have set them on "ACTIVATE" mode then of course you will get the Error message if you try to launch any application on the card while using any of them because you gave the control to your computer to read the card instead. The solution is to keep then on INACTIVE state while using the apps or install them in the Internal Memory rather than the card.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks for your reply, but unfortunately it's not the SD Card, its core windows mobile applications aswell, like the contacts and messags.
I think it might have been to do with the ROM I was using, I was using T-Mobile's latest (still pretty jurassic though) but switched to the iMate one, and no problems now :-D
Surprised if it is the ROM though, as thought others would have got the error :-/
Here is the solution. I have a Samsung mobile phone and got this error after I installed Samsung's standard multimedia player "Touch Player" into My storage. Then I uninstalled it and re-installed into main storage and it works now.

Windows to detect programs on storage card after rom update?

Is there any way I can make Windows detect or recognize programs on the storage card after a rom update? without having to reinstall them again..?
thanks!
of course you cant, you have to install them once again.
depends, if it will run from the storage card simply make new shortcuts, depends how many u have to do and how easy to hand the cab files are i guess
i usually keep all my cab files in a "cabs" folder on my sd card incase i need to redo my phone if i'm away from my pc. it helps if i'm at work and it starts acting up.
It also might not be a bad idea to keep a backup of your wizard on the sd card with just the programs (and if you havean exchange server) already installed on it, that way a quick, fresh start doesn't involve a lot of work.
contentryder said:
Is there any way I can make Windows detect or recognize programs on the storage card after a rom update? without having to reinstall them again..?
thanks!
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Any program on the storage card will run after the ROM update as long as it is not one that needs to write registry changes or dll's to the registry itself.
I have approximately 50 apps installed to my storage card. After doing a ROM flash/upgrade, I only have to reinstall around 10 of them. You'll just need to try launching each one from the card to see if it will work without reinstalling to find out which ones will work and which ones won't.
well i wanted to know because i just recently upgraded to nbd 7.0 and some programs i want isnt detecting in htc home plugin...

I should install these applications in Main Memory or Storage Card?

I have installed HTC Kaizer Home Plugin, HTC X-Button, HTC Audio Manager, JUVS CommMgr6 button, reTouched Dialer, etc.
These applications I installed in the Storage Card.
I notice when i start my HTC Softbank X01HT, it become slower... until I have run most of the application, then only the speed become more stable.
So, I wondering I should install these applications into Main Memory or Storage Card? Will it be more stable if I install into Main Memory?
i just think that every app you installing tooks a small part of your hermes memory.... so as many startup application you have as you hermes will slow down
understand that.
what i worried is if i install those applications into storage card, it will load slower than if i install into the main memory.
will this happen?
wailoon said:
understand that.
what i worried is if i install those applications into storage card, it will load slower than if i install into the main memory.
will this happen?
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No, not really - except you turn off or soft reset your device entirely, then it takes a while until your pda read out all contens on SD card - other than that they load as fast as installing in the phone. I always install my apps on SD, except for system application, never had any problems.
It's my understanding that you should install programs that run on startup, like today plugins, into main memory.
This is so that if the programs are called to run before the storage card is initialized they are available.
I believe it was MikeChannon that said this...
intrglctcrevfnk said:
It's my understanding that you should install programs that run on startup, like today plugins, into main memory.
This is so that if the programs are called to run before the storage card is initialized they are available.
I believe it was MikeChannon that said this...
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Yeah, might be a good advice even though I never install in phome memory as long as I can avoid it. But you shouldn't take me as good example anyway (I never had issues with installing everything on SD card but I might have been only lucky up to now!)
How about this solution?:
Try to install your application on SD card first! If they do not run properly after starting up your phone then just uninstall them and reinstall them in your phone memory ...
The only 3 programs I installed in phone memory are:
SPB MOBILE SHELL (It won't install on SD)
RESCO EXPLORER 2007 (to be able to use Explorer, REGISTRY PLUGIN and FTP even when I switch SD cards or card fails)
Microsoft Reader (because of activation)

[Q] TCH Touch HD Program install problem

Hi.
I got a problem with my HTC Touch HD.
It's running on the stock Rom Windows Mobile 6.1 and i tried yesterday to install
[Glossy Themed Eclair(2.0.1]+[Android 2.1 with SENSE (beta).. NEW BUILD (08/04/2010)
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I installed it on a clean 8 Gb SD card and ran harriet once. After att bootup sequence the phone went black so i did a soft reset and pulled the SD card.
Since then whenever i am in normal Windows Mobile i can't run most of my installed programs.
And i cannot uninstall or reinstall new or old programs. When i try to install a program it goes so far as to accept the certificate for the program but stopps directly after that with an error message that says the program did not install.
Any ideas on what the problem is. I would like to avoid a hard reset. I did a backup of most of the stuff on the phones internal memory but not all of it.
Thanks Imposter.
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make sure you backed up you files, contacts, mag etc
hard reset..
format sd.. (fat32)
put only android on sd (not in a folder)
complete startup settings (wm)
run android
select blackstone
install to sd
wait for android to boot
it takes about 15-20mins (blackstone)
then screen goes black
wait for a vibration
it will boot android to a lock screen
wait for everything to boot up.. (operator etc)
unlock..
Well that's just the problem i cannot backup my files because i cannot install any programs like SPB Backup to do a backup. I can manually via ActiveSync copy files but then i won't get everything like i would with a backup program.
raving_nanza said:
make sure you backed up you files, contacts, mag etc
hard reset..
format sd.. (fat32)
put only android on sd (not in a folder)
complete startup settings (wm)
run android
select blackstone
install to sd
wait for android to boot
it takes about 15-20mins (blackstone)
then screen goes black
wait for a vibration
it will boot android to a lock screen
wait for everything to boot up.. (operator etc)
unlock..
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Nobody got any ideas on how i can solve the problem so i can install or run programs on my Blackstone?
I tried to start programs that doesn't need to be installed but i get the same error message that the "program cannot be opened or.....".
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just back up what you can via active sync..
you WILL need to hard reset or reflash..
or
try uninstall everything if you can??

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