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T-Mob free internet???

Hi! I bought a vario II second hand and I sticked a t-mob brand new payg sim. I register it and topped up with my credit card and only used for internet ever since! now I have been surfing like mad and downloading at least 300mb and my balance still £4.99p how can it be possible? I live in london if some one want take a look to it

I'm guessing you're in for one hell of a bill coming your way eventually. Using data without having a data plan is billed at a ridiculously high amount.

I don't see how they can bill you when you're on PAYG but just don't take the p*** and hope noone notices
Smiffy.

pay as you go does have a data plan, its automatic, basically once you hit £1 thats it you dont get charged anymore that day, meant to be a 40mb limit, but my mates never had issues.
as for your not being charged, dunno about that one!

I'm about 600MB right now... and and my calling credit is now £3.95!!!! hell where my £1.05p went to? shall I phone up and complain? LOL

I've just registered and it's show this does any one understand this? look like I've got 10GB :-O Recent Use
You have no recent activity.
XTR5TEXT Remaining: 5 Events
Pre Pay Picture Messages Remaining: 5 Picture Messages
XTRBROWS Remaining: 9566845 Kb

I use this everyday. I have a T-Mobile PAYG and I connect it to my laptop for a broadband connection. as long as I'm not connected exactly at midnight it's fine. T-Mobile claim you can't do this, but I managed to download SQL Server 2005 SP2 (250MB) in one hit. I stay connected all day when I'm on customer sites and connect again when I get home.
And I can use my VOIP account (again T-Mobile say I can't) through it.

do you guys get HSDPA speeds or just 3g?

I get 3G. 10Mb connection with download speeds ranging from 42k - 120kb ps

your reply is a contradiction in terms

I have a May Monthly contract with T-Mobile, love it, can use web n walk to downloads loads and loads of movies on my laptop while i m on the move, usually download about 1GB a day.
The only problem with it is that they sstarted blocking ports which means you cannot use Intant messagin such as MSN and Yahoo!, have any of you's found a way to trick the port?

radii said:
your reply is a contradiction in terms
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Why? I thought 3G was the slower of the two.

solarromeo said:
I have a May Monthly contract with T-Mobile, love it, can use web n walk to downloads loads and loads of movies on my laptop while i m on the move, usually download about 1GB a day.
The only problem with it is that they sstarted blocking ports which means you cannot use Intant messagin such as MSN and Yahoo!, have any of you's found a way to trick the port?
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I can use MSN this way. I talk to my girlfriend in Mexico every day via MSN. We can use webcams with MSN on a T-Mobile connection too

I got no problems at all!!! I use MSN, Skype, and a VoIP program called voipstunt with no problems at all... I'm also looking to setup SJPHONE pda edition to my phone so I can make free interantional phone calls from the PDA it self using the 3G network, but i've not yet managed to work yet in this country (with T-mobile).

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Why? I thought 3G was the slower of the two.
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Yes you are correct, 3G is slower than HSPDA, i think he was referring to the 10Mb connection comment.
3G is only around 320Kb, HSPDA is around 1.8Mb

RE: GPS, Data Plan, & Costs

RE: GPS, Data Plan, & Costs
I'm getting ready to buy an HTC X7501. I have a couple of questions regarding GPS. Once I buy a full GPS program like TomTom for instance, is there any cost involved in using the GPS on my X7501? For instance, does it make use of a data plan or do you need some other service to download maps?
The reason I ask is because I'm considering skipping the data plan since 90% of the time I'm in a WiFi area...
Thanks.

no software is all u need ...
unless u want traffic updates
if not than the software is fine

boinger66 said:
no software is all u need ...
unless u want traffic updates
if not than the software is fine
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So are traffic updates a part of your wireless data service then?
Thanks for the reply!

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So are traffic updates a part of your wireless data service then?
Thanks for the reply!
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Yes, GPS isn't but traffic comes over GPRS (or Edge/3G/HSDPA) which is .

Confucious said:
Yes, GPS isn't but traffic comes over GPRS (or Edge/3G/HSDPA) which is .
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Good to know. Now I'll have to decide if I want it for the data plan. Any guess on how many MB it takes up? My guess would be that it would take up enough to make me want to go with an unlimited plan if I used it much...
Thanks again for the help.

The QuickGPS downloads are done over any available internet connection.
It could be GPRS, 3G or WiFi.
So, no, you do not need a data plan.

traffic updates for a month if you use it ONLY for that shouldnt be more than a 100MB

I find the average downloads when using traffic are 100K per hour, this is using a 15 min update interval. (This is based over a few months where I took notes of the daily downloads)
This means that 10 hours driving equates to 1MB, no more than 30MB per month - Mike

I have an unlimited data plan - the Athena cries out for one. You say you are within WiFi range most of the time , I have never used WiFi on my Athena, when I did on my Universal it drained the battery so much I gave up.
Here in the UK 3G coverage is great and HSDPA coverage is pretty good so I have connection wherever I go for less than £10/month. It does depend on cost/coverage but I'd recommend 3G/HSDPA over WiFi hen you just don't need to worry about it

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I have an unlimited data plan - the Athena cries out for one. You say you are within WiFi range most of the time , I have never used WiFi on my Athena, when I did on my Universal it drained the battery so much I gave up.
Here in the UK 3G coverage is great and HSDPA coverage is pretty good so I have connection wherever I go for less than £10/month. It does depend on cost/coverage but I'd recommend 3G/HSDPA over WiFi hen you just don't need to worry about it
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Sadly here where I live in California, we really only have one company with the coverage, AT&T. Their data plan is about $50 per month for unlimited, which is a lot. Since I can get WiFi at home and work for free, I will probably go with that and skip any data plan.
Thanks to all who replied. That gives me a much better idea of what to expect.

What internet plan are you using for your Wing?

I have a T-Mobile Wing running Open Touch.
Everything on my phone is set... except for internet.
What are my available options for internet plans for my wing?
I want unlimited internet usage and unlimited text.
What is available and what is the best/cheapest plan to get so I can use it for Internet Explorer, Opera, Google Maps, Weather, etc.??

I just have unlimited text and unlimited data. I figured that's what every wing user had.

So, that's $14.99 for Unlimited text and $19.99 for Unlimited data..
Is there any other option? Or is this the only way to go..
Can I use the $5.99 T-Zones plan for internet?

ryansofresh said:
So, that's $14.99 for Unlimited text and $19.99 for Unlimited data..
Is there any other option? Or is this the only way to go..
Can I use the $5.99 T-Zones plan for internet?
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You can but don't expect it to be there when you need it. My daughter does the 5.99 and I on average 2 times a month I get asked to see if I can figure out why she can't go to Myspace in Opera Mini. It is usually her fault changing a setting but still I do expect the day that the loophole will be closed. As for myself I have unlimited text and data. I just like to use my phone as I want when I want. As a matter of fact today my ISP (Comcast) was having difficulties with the ambient temps around here so web was slow or not loading. So I used my phone's ICS to browse the forum.

it's in my signature

Thanks for the input..
So the Unlimited data is the best thing to do, but the $19.99 hurts, haha.
Say I get the T-Zones $5.99, once I get that activated, will my internet explorer, weather, google maps, etc work automatically?
Or do I have to change some settings and download some cabs before they work?
Can someone shed some light on what steps I have to take to get T-Zones internet to work my internet explorer, google maps, etc. after I activate it?

Unlimited will require no configuration changes. "If" you already have T-Mobile configurations present.
T-Zones will not work right away the proxy configurations are listed all over the forum and can be found via google. There is a decent amount of configuration edits. It can be tedious or work right the first try all a matter of how well you follow the directions and if the directions you find do indeed work.
Good Luck!
p.s. If you plan on using palringo (all in 1 IM) ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) the proxy did not work for me. Can't say that is true with everyone.
I just tried the proxy settings 2 nights ago with a friends sim card on my Wing just to show him what the benefits are of paying for proper service and not.
My opinion is get the Full Service it just works.

Thanks for your response.. really helpful.
I'm going to try the T-Zones for a while, if I hate it, then I'm going with the Unlimited Data Plan...

I have 1,000 texts for 8.99? and unlimited internet for 19.99. Get the internet, it's connected 24/7, I get all my emails,weather, browsing the web, downloads,

ryansofresh said:
I have a T-Mobile Wing running Open Touch.
Everything on my phone is set... except for internet.
What are my available options for internet plans for my wing?
I want unlimited internet usage and unlimited text.
What is available and what is the best/cheapest plan to get so I can use it for Internet Explorer, Opera, Google Maps, Weather, etc.??
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I have OT v.6 spb with T-zones 5.99 just need to set the prozy settings it works all time no worries, the only thing i cant do is get my yahoo mail, have to use wifi or connect to computer
and i have unlimited txt 19.99 i pay a little more cuz im on family plan

unlimited internet

i use no plan. I'm cheap.
wifi is fine for me.

I have to have it for my job... not to mention its convinient to have regardless.

fzzyrn said:
i use no plan. I'm cheap.
wifi is fine for me.
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Yeah, I'm too cheap for that too, but now I'm starting to rethink the 5.99 tzones though. Although, wi/fi works fine and anytime I need it, I can usually find a hotspot.

Because of work, I HAVE to have unlimited internet and the worldclass service, so that I can use my phone and internet from any country... If I wasn't always traveling on a monthly basis.

I got the Tzones set up the proxy like in the tutorial loaded up a few pages fine then i had to go to work...a couple hours later tried it again and this is the message that I get on internet explorer now...
"Error:request content '(website here)' cannot be accessed. You do not have access to the site."

wifi is fine for me it saves me 20 dollars a month...lol

I had t-zones for a while on my wing,one day it stopped working and couldn't get it to work for after a few days, I had to call t-mobile and asked what happened.They told me t-zones is for regular cells, not smartphones. I had to go with unlimited data.

someeh said:
I had t-zones for a while on my wing,one day it stopped working and couldn't get it to work for after a few days, I had to call t-mobile and asked what happened.They told me t-zones is for regular cells, not smartphones. I had to go with unlimited data.
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you goofed by not just telling them that you swap your sim out with another smaller phone once in a while that you DO use t-zones with. If they ask you why, just tell them it's none of their business Or if you are feeling nice then say that you're 2nd phone is for times when you want to use your smaller Samsung T-809 or whatever to keep in your pocket when you're out... like clubs, ect. The wing is not pocket friendly so that's what I actually do sometimes.
Bottom line is, they have no business canceling your t-zones without your permission.

Im on a $2.99 offer for Unlimited T-Zones and Unlimited Picture Messages
I use the T-Mo Proxy =]

Is there a GPS app that doesn't use data?

I am going to be in Germany, Austria and Italy in the near future and likely won't have data (unless I can find a reasonably priced SIM with data). Are there any GPS apps for the HD2 that don't require a data plan?
Thanks in advance.

dornstar said:
I am going to be in Germany, Austria and Italy in the near future and likely won't have data (unless I can find a reasonably priced SIM with data). Are there any GPS apps for the HD2 that don't require a data plan?
Thanks in advance.
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there are a bunch of them. garmin,igo and more, just use that lil search button up top. and you need to turn off Agps.

leemoss84 said:
there are a bunch of them. garmin,igo and more, just use that lil search button up top. and you need to turn off Agps.
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what about turning off agps? The assisted part of AGP doesn't use any data, it just gets passively info from the GSM signal, that's all.
Also, for the top, almost every navigation software has its own maps to copy on a memory card, so you don't need to connect to online maps.
Navicomputer is not a navigation software, but more of a tracking one, and it can download maps off openstreetmap through a pc companion.

tom tom tom tom tom tom tom tom

Roaming data calls
Just in case you don't know this:
LEO somehow finds its way to make data connections no matter what you do, and it may result in the bill you don't want to see...
I haven't tried it, but people here are suggesting "Modaco nodata" as a safe solution. I would suggest you to google it, if you haven't already.

I wouldn't even risk it with a contact sim. either leave your sim at home or trial a pay as you go sim card before you leave

lakeland said:
I wouldn't even risk it with a contact sim. either leave your sim at home or trial a pay as you go sim card before you leave
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This is by far the smartest solution, or you can also put in a dummy SIM to avoid the "NO SIM" message.

lakeland said:
I wouldn't even risk it with a contact sim. either leave your sim at home or trial a pay as you go sim card before you leave
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+1 here. when I think again, everything else is experimenting.

Thanks for all the advice everyone. Much appreciated.

Use TomTom. Not data needed.
Get Dynamic+1's NoDataInRoaming. It will automatically turn off and keep off your data connection as soon as the phone starts to roam. It works great. I use it all the time when I go over the border to the Excited States.

InRBigness said:
Use TomTom. Not data needed.
Get Dynamic+1's NoDataInRoaming. It will automatically turn off and keep off your data connection as soon as the phone starts to roam. It works great. I use it all the time when I go over the border to the Excited States.
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According to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=503131&page=33
it doesn't yet work with HTC HD2, until radio update. Or does it?

Been using NoData for months, works flawlessly. Just remember to re-disable any connections if you do change the SIM card.

Apparently not according to the guy who wrote it. I have a Tilt2/Rhodium and guess just assumed that it would work. Good catch. When he gets it working its a great little app.

avoid iguidance, won't work with hd2 (usa). although it worked with my tytn2.
- tom

.....i'm still searching for a product that is confirmed to work.
- tom

I know from a friend of mine it's possible to use google maps without the data connection if you download the maps on your phone/storage card (but he has an Iphone, so I am not sure if this works on the HD 2)...
And if you want to be safe to not have any data bill from abroad, you should install Mocom NoData and make an 'offline' profile on your phone, so it won't have any data server to connect too...

CoPilot
How about CoPilot Live 8? They have a link to videos posted on YouTube showing a guy running the app on an TMOUS HD2 in Washington State.
A one time fee of $30 sounds a lot better than paying TeleNav $9.99 a month.
alk dot com/copilot/#

schibs said:
How about CoPilot Live 8? They have a link to videos posted on YouTube showing a guy running the app on an TMOUS HD2 in Washington State.
A one time fee of $30 sounds a lot better than paying TeleNav $9.99 a month.
alk dot com/copilot/#
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I have been using Co Pilot Live for some time now...Works great, does not require data, and not having to worry about a monthly fee is also great.
I even ran it in airplane mode to show my wife that it does not require a data signal to work (she was worried about using it on road trips)
(I was a little bugged that I had to pay another 30.00 to download it for my HD2 when I had paid 30.00 to put it on my MT3G...but it still beats having a monthly fee...my next test will be to see if I can use the same key to install it on my wifes HD2 once se gets hers)
If you travel abroad...your fees will vary as they charge per map...ex: The North America map is $30.00 and covers all of Canada, U.S. and Mexico.

I use Co-Pilot Live. Maps are downloaded to SD card. Not sure if they have European maps though.

dornstar said:
I am going to be in Germany, Austria and Italy in the near future and likely won't have data (unless I can find a reasonably priced SIM with data). Are there any GPS apps for the HD2 that don't require a data plan?
Thanks in advance.
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no because the device doesnt hav an independent gps built into it

LIFE WITH OUT DATA PLAN and GOOGLE NAVIGATION??

I have little use for my data plan. I find anytime I can sit down and play on the web, I’m not far from a WIFI hot spot. I do like Google navigation as a flawed but useful GPS system.
-The question is, does Google maps and Navigation require constant data communication through my data plan, or can I simply park in front of a WIFI coffee shop, plan my route, download maps. Then logout, and be on my way.
-If not, any workarounds? Get all the maps and use them with some other free-ish gps system?
-Has the advent of Google Nav. made any other 3rd party, turn by turn, GPS apps more affordable?
-What else am I likely to miss (Google has so many tentacles into my phone…and me I wonder)
Thanks In advance

Hello,
I think only google maps only require data connection as it downloads maps from there server so thats why, the app is small. May be there are similar app.
As of tomtom, garmin and etc, thay don't require data connection but just the gps connection where you can get easily. And as you see, these apps are bigger and you have to buy the map to use the app. Of course the app also.
Best Regards

I use navicomputer http://navicomputer.com/ no data required after you download your maps.

google navigation downloads the whole route when u calculate it. if you get off track though, you may be out of luck. it will only zoom out and show u where the route is so you can get back on track. unless ur destination has data, you wont be able to reverse the route either.
i would recommend getting tomtom, garmin or similar programs.

Interesting, thanks guys
I guess I was think most about “Google Navigation” most. It doesn’t take a lot of data to describe a 3d intersection or a lot of CPU/gpu horsepower to drive through it on the screen. I don’t really know how much an android has.
Navicomp looks great for some things I do but for navigating new places, 3d type gps really works well for me. Last time I looked, TomTom and Garmin weren’t available for Android.
I think I’ll just test Navigation if I remember tomorrow, plan a route, get going, turn the data off (if I can figure that out) and see what happens.
I’ll report back,
PK

I take it he got lost then?!!

look into ndrive or my fav. copilot

Lol i couldn't imagine my phone without a data plan I need to use the web constantly
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Looks like "NaviComputer" as suggested above would be your best bet if you've got the space for it. If you're on a Sprint device, you could switch to Boost Mobile which has unlimited free internet with all its plans from PayAsYouGo to Monthly Unlimited. Granted EvDo is always pretty darn slow, so depending on how much free space you've got inside, you may wish to go with NaviComputer, plus you won't have to deal with signal issues either.
Best of Luck.
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I use IGO 8 and love it better than tom tom or google maps
PM me and I can give you the links for it with all world maps or individual state maps

I use mapdroyd its free and you can download the whole world (5gb) also free, but it is not able to give you turn by turn navigation but you can follow the root
and gives you off-road support to.

CoPilot is AWESOME.
check youtube for videos.
It stores the maps on your sdcard.
It works great with 2.3 gingerbread too and 2.2.
I can't say enough.
The simple fact that you touch a point of interest and it will show you the phone # and give you the option to press call.
VERY easy to use and great display.

Thanks, I had a look and it looks interesting, might give it a try.
Regards, PK

Copilot all the way.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA Premium App

looks nice and the price is sure right, I think I'll have to check it out.
Thanks, PK

pk2 said:
I have little use for my data plan. I find anytime I can sit down and play on the web, I’m not far from a WIFI hot spot. I do like Google navigation as a flawed but useful GPS system.
-The question is, does Google maps and Navigation require constant data communication through my data plan, or can I simply park in front of a WIFI coffee shop, plan my route, download maps. Then logout, and be on my way.
-If not, any workarounds? Get all the maps and use them with some other free-ish gps system?
-Has the advent of Google Nav. made any other 3rd party, turn by turn, GPS apps more affordable?
-What else am I likely to miss (Google has so many tentacles into my phone…and me I wonder)
Thanks In advance
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if you're a heavy gps user (like me) data is essential. I mean there are alternatives that you can pre download maps on your sd card, but they fill up your storage quick, and aren't as convenient. also you need to manually update them which is a pain. With google maps you have real time traffic updating, business hours and what not. It is pretty convenient, I average over 400 miles of driving a week within my city (my job requires me to travel around), and tell you what I haven't missed one exit using google nav.
As far as the pricing of the data, you can always ask for student discount, employee discounts, or even a preferred loyalty plan. I am actually getting unlimited 4g from tmo (5gb data cap) for $20 a month while one of my friend only gets 200mb for $15 a month....

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if you're a heavy gps user (like me) data is essential. I mean there are alternatives that you can pre download maps on your sd card, but they fill up your storage quick, and aren't as convenient. also you need to manually update them which is a pain. With google maps you have real time traffic updating, business hours and what not. It is pretty convenient, I average over 400 miles of driving a week within my city (my job requires me to travel around), and tell you what I haven't missed one exit using google nav.
As far as the pricing of the data, you can always ask for student discount, employee discounts, or even a preferred loyalty plan. I am actually getting unlimited 4g from tmo (5gb data cap) for $20 a month while one of my friend only gets 200mb for $15 a month....
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Boost Mobile has always unlimited data too for situations like these. If you are just shooting for data only, using the pay as you go plan with just one or two calls/messages every once in a while will help you go far.
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_ice_ said:
if you're a heavy gps user (like me)...you can pre download maps on your sd card, but they fill up your storage quick, ...I average over 400 miles of driving a week within my city ... google nav. .
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I actually don’t drive that much, but when I do, north or south of home (Orange county CA) I’m a babe in the woods, GPS is really nice. I also feel it should be an integral part of my ride.
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As far as the pricing of the data, you can always ask for student discount, employee discounts, or even a preferred loyalty plan. I am actually getting unlimited 4g from tmo (5gb data cap) for $20 a month while one of my friend only gets 200mb for $15 a month....
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So what does it take to be come a “student” (some basic photoshop & a document layout program skills?) And definitely, what does it take to become a preferred loyalty plan?
I pay $30+ unlimited. One issue I have is I could go on a “per kb” plan. The problem is I haven’t a clue how many kb say, 10 miles of google nav will use or, the occasional web search for an address or web site requires in Kb’s (and $’s). I’ve look for an app that could count the kb’s to see if it's cost effective, but no luck.
(I had one phone I picked up and unlocked. It Made $800 worth the 3g calls all by itself overnight.)

pk2 said:
I actually don’t drive that much, but when I do, north or south of home (Orange county CA) I’m a babe in the woods, GPS is really nice. I also feel it should be an integral part of my ride.
So what does it take to be come a “student” (some basic photoshop & a document layout program skills?) And definitely, what does it take to become a preferred loyalty plan?
I pay $30+ unlimited. One issue I have is I could go on a “per kb” plan. The problem is I haven’t a clue how many kb say, 10 miles of google nav will use or, the occasional web search for an address or web site requires in Kb’s (and $’s). I’ve look for an app that could count the kb’s to see if it's cost effective, but no luck.
(I had one phone I picked up and unlocked. It Made $800 worth the 3g calls all by itself overnight.)
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a student discount means you have to actually attend a college or university that can be verified by the loyalty department.
also you can ask for a grandfathered plan if you have been a customer for awhile.
if you have an android which I believe you do according to your signature. get the 3g watchdog app if you're running on a limited data plan. it automatically shuts off your data (4g supported now I believe) and changes your APN settings to prevent virtually anything from connecting to the data network (MMS won't work unless you do the spoof workaround). but as far as per kb$ don't get the plan it just a train wreck, depending on the background apps, ROM, type of apps you get the data usage can range from 1kb-2 mb an hour per app.
For instance HTC sense uses more data (per kb/mb) than an AOSP rom. why? friendstream and all that junk that stays on, as opposed to no junk on aosp.
So do some more research and testing and you will find the best service for your buck (took me about 3 months to lower my bill to a suitable amount) but now its well worth it