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Hi all,
I have Qtek s100 since exactly 2 years. I am very happy and even after relasing so many HTC PDA phones after that, I really did not think of changing my phone. Now I see P3600 as probable candidate to replace my S100. But in addition to size and processor, I would also be looking at some key features as justification to change. I am not going to use 3G or 2MP camera. so, lets narrow down to Free/very cheap phone function on this phone.
- anybody tried to install Skype client to make audio calls on wifi connection?
- Also anybody checked function of SIP voip client like SJPhone again using wifi?
If these features are going to have problem with.. I would still stay back with S100 happily.
AS
Skype works fine on it and I run VoIPSurfer for SIP without any problems!
Anyone can get skype sound to come trough the phone speaker instead of the loudspeaker? (I think it is a software limitation, but is there a workarround?)
n0t said:
Anyone can get skype sound to come trough the phone speaker instead of the loudspeaker? (I think it is a software limitation, but is there a workarround?)
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This is only available on the Eten X500. I finally decided to get this instead of the Trinity coz I dun use the 3G and the GPS is a lot better on the X500.
n0t said:
Anyone can get skype sound to come trough the phone speaker instead of the loudspeaker? (I think it is a software limitation, but is there a workarround?)
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It is a limitation in Skype. Try using a headset. Not BT though, since the processor can't handle both Skype and BT headset at the same time..
With my LOOX 720, we also have a "large" speaker (badly positioned even if you wanted to ignore that it is a loudspeaker and put it in your ear) and a small "phone" speaker (placed correctly where you would put your ear), although FSC never released any VoIP app for the device (and LOOX is not a phone).
Skype (and other VoIP apps) worked as you say. Audio was coming out of the main speaker, plus they (Skype) ignored our requests to use the correct speaker (or didn't know what to do about it).
Then some guys noticed that the small speaker was ALWAYS outputing audio (in apps/games etc.), but since it is a small phone speaker, you have to put your ear on to hear it. Also this gives more "depth" in 720 audio (since the tiny speaker does its part). Anyway, that was an interesting discovery because it led to research that gave something more important:
A simple registry entry could shut-off the main speaker while keeping the phone speaker working! No need for soft reset or anything! Some even made a little program for this (which also keeps different volume levels for when on and off since eg. I want volume=2 when loudspeaker is on and volume=4 when only ear speaker is on). Toggle it whenever we want (I have a shortcut in my today screen for it).
So I am thinking... look for something like that in Trinity also? It should even be simpler because I am sure Trinity has pretty clear and distinct volume values for both speakers (since this IS a phone after all).
Maybe a shortcut to a registry key could allow to control the speaker volume... like in the loox. I'll try to search registry... Anyway, this is a known issue for skype, so probably they will be working on that on future releases, maybe it needs customization for every particular model. _http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=71698
Skype and Bluetooth
I use a stereo BT headset and it works great (iTech clip S38). I used another program to toggle, but battery life went to a couple of hours, even when not in use. If you Skype a lot, or even once on an international trip, the cost is well justified.
n0t said:
Anyone can get skype sound to come trough the phone speaker instead of the loudspeaker? (I think it is a software limitation, but is there a workarround?)
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It is possible now with the last final (not beta) version of Skype (2.2.20 or something like that).
The problem is, this final version doesn't work for all phones. You can see the list of supported devices on Skype download page.
The Trinity is not supported on this final version. You can only use chat function, and when you place a voice call, the application automatically shut down.
That's why we keep running the previous beta versions, which work fine, but the sound come from the back speaker
I tried this final version on my wizard, and I confirm that the sound does come from the ear-piece, for the first time in skype history. But strangely enough, this 'new' skype is only compatible with 'old' phones...
The text found below was sent to Skype by me today
Dear Skype,
#1 please sent me a list of supported Pocket PC’s that work with skype and with a Bluetooth A2dp Headset.
The one I have now can be found at: http://www.jabra.com/Sites/Jabra/NA-US/products/Pages/JabraBT8040.aspx and I works really well for windows media mobile.
#2 I currently have the following device which does not work with Skype for the Pocket PC with an A2dp headset. I am very upset about this; I really want to use your skype out service, but cant.
My Device Information: Unlocked
HTC P3600, Trinity
ROM version: 1.23.405.2
ROM date: 03/11/07
Radio Version 1.38.00.11
Protocol Version: 32.71.7020.12h
ExtROM Version: 1.23.405.103
I have installed the following versions of Skype for PPC
SkypeForPocketPC-2.0.0.51-LowCPU.cab
SkypeForPocketPC-2.0.0.51-LowCPU.cab
SkypeForPocketPC-2.2.0.18-Beta.cab
kypeForPocketPC-2.2.0.20-Beta.exe
SkypeForPocketPCNew.CAB
The only one that works is the SkypeForPocketPC-2.2.0.18-Beta.cab it works perfectly for the HTC P3600, Trinity however, "only" when you use the corded headset that attaches to the mini usb on the phone, or just the speaker that is on the back of the phone the “external speaker”.
the SkypeForPocketPC-2.2.0.18-Beta.cab, I feel, does not work with any A2DP Bluetooth headset.
I have tried the following A2DP Bluetooth headsets
JabraBt8040
Link: same as above
Plantronics Voyager 855 Stereo Bluetooth Headset
Lubix UBHS-NC1 Stereo Bluetooth Headset
I think something goes wrong when the Bluetooth stack tries transfer the Skype audio to the Bluetooth headsets it gets all messed up with lots of echoes and sound disconnects and, latency and so on. However playing any multimedia files on the phone work perfectly through my A2DP Bluetooth headset.
Like a said SkypeForPocketPC-2.2.0.18-Beta.cab works perfectly only when you use the corded headset that attaches to the mini usb on the phone, or just the speaker that is on the back of the phone the “external speaker”.
I have also tried to use a whole bunch of 3rd party applications that redirected the sound to my older mono headsets. I tried three of them, and that did not work either. It’s something when the speaker sound gets transferd to any BT device.
(((((( Update I just used the the btaudio.zip that qyach posted: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289720
it works but the mono sound is still not very good, nothing like a mobile phone call sound, and no ware near the sound quality with the corded headset that came with the HTC P3600 What to do,, anyone?
Im thinking of getting a ETEN X800 http://www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com/welcome/cart.php?target=product&product_id=1128&category_id=40
I read that It works well with Skype, and the sound is sent to the phones earpiece after installing a piece of software that ETEN developed called Skype Switch, therefore it should work with a BT headset.
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:cwIdCCuH2LEJ:www.etenblog.com/2007/11/13/getting-skype-to-work-as-it-should/+skype+Switch+program&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
But now some sales man who sounded like he know what he was talking about, said that the ETEN phones are flaky and that 70% of the ETEN phones that he sells get returned.
I don’t know what to do, but, dam it I want a WM5 or WM6 Phone that works perfect with Skype sound BT and all.
Now the only problem is how much better or worse is HTC V.S. ETEN? I really am looking for a cool looking phone something small and sleek that will work perfect with Skype mobile. The ETEN X800 looked like it was the solution. But now I don’t know what to do.
Someone please help.
Update: 02/16/08
I Just got an ETEN x800 and istalled the Skype Switch and took skype for a test run ,, ya,ya, the sound gets redirected to the earpiece,,, ya, but it sonds like sh_t also..
Someone out there has to be able to Hack this mess.
DTMF ,Fring, PPC Skype, And A2DP.
For the Skype sound problem not going through the BT headset someone on this site suggested using fring which is a fantastic idea, however it’s always something... with fring you can place a Skype out call but during the call you can’t navigate company’s phone menu during the call like, “press 1 for billing” “press 2 for sales”. There isn’t even a dial pad. When I contacted there support department I got this:
Hello,
Thank you for contacting our support team.
Currently, it is not available to dial DTMF sounds on fring, this should be implemented in future versions. You can stay up to date on new releases from our blog http://www.fring.com/blog/
In other words, I’m not holding my breath.
Is there a way to transmit a DTMF signal to the input of a Bluetooth A2DP headset? I don’t mean literally, just a sound redirect, in other words trick it into thinking it’s me making the DTMF sound.
I can’t find anything on the net except for Dial-a-matic, which will not work. I also took a look at Pocket Dialer v1.03 but there is no way to redirect sound. I also thought that maybe Kai’s ContactDialer would work but I don’t think it does, or I don’t understand how to use it and get it to work.
I also wonder if all of these problems are salved on WM6 I was looking at upgrading to the new HTC P3470 but the processor is slower than the p3600.
God,, do I want to get rid of that stupid weird mini HTC usb headset, ridicules for a $700 phone.
I wouldn’t need to go through all this if Skype would just finally fix their PPC version to work with a Bluetooth headset.
(((((( Update I just used the the btaudio.zip that qyach posted: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289720
it works but the mono sound is still not very good, nothing like a mobile phone call sound, and no ware near the sound quality with the corded headset that came with the HTC P3600 What to do,, anyone?
Im thinking of getting a ETEN X800 http://www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com/...category_id=40
I read that IT works well with Skype, and the sound is sent to the phones speakers after installing a piece of software that ETEN developed called Skype Switch, therefore it should work with a BT headset.
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=2&gl=us
But now some sales man who sounded like he know what he was talking about, said that the ETEN phones are flaky and that 70% of the ETEN phones that he sells get returned.
I don’t know what to do, but, dam it I want a WM5 or WM6 Phone that works perfect with Skype sound BT and all.
Now the only problem is how much better or worse is HTC V.S. ETEN? I really am looking for a cool looking phone something small and sleek that will work perfect with Skype mobile. The ETEN X800 looked like it was the solution. But now I don’t know what to do.
Someone please help.
I'm somewhat new to voip. I have an at&t tilt and I'm signed up with the internet unlimited and a voice plan of 450 min. I told at&t that I just want the internet data plan and that they can cancel the voice plan because together they are costing over 100 a month,
What I want to do is use my unlimited data plan with voip. I installed skype but I don't like the way it uses my speaker phone instead of just the regular phone speaker.
at&t can't charge me for using skype right? I mean besides my data charges...
I noticed that the rom I installed on my phone has a voip setting within the comm manager, Can I put the info from my skype account into this voip settings in the communication manager?
Like I said I'm just trying to save money by using my tilt aka kaiser as an internet only device and then use voip for the phone functionality. I would need to be able to call lan lines and other cell phones and also have my own phone number to accept incoming calls. I am thankful for any help"even if it's to tell me it can't be done" Thanks
no data is data att dont know what your data is voice, movies, pr0n or whatever if they did they would be breaking a pile of laws for spying on you
and even if they knew they cant charge you for a service they dont provide for you
also pretty sure that no voip application or other application can access the "reguler phone" speaker think it's hardwired to the gsm module
SO theres no way to have a private conversation with somone? speakerphone is too loud to always use. what about blue tooth? will bluetooth work with skype on a mobile. Or really what im asking is ; can I use bluetooth to hear sound on my phone other than gsm>?
yes using a2dp
and even a wired headset should work
I think you will find that A2DP uses too much CPU to be used with a high-CPU application such as Skype (it certainly does on my Hermes). Also, as far as I can tell A2DP is a one way audio link (sound goes to the headset, but not the other way) and such is inappropriate for this type of use. Your best bet is to use a wired headset.
You may also want to try Fring (google it); i'm told it contains a Skype client that can use the phone's speaker as opposed to the loudspeaker.
Windows Mobile 6 has its own VOIP built in (provided it wasn't removed from your ROM) and while this works (uses the in built phone app so works just like that can with any audio device that you can use in a normal phone call) it is very (and I mean VERY) difficult to set up. Definitely not for the feint of heart...
caeci11ius said:
I think you will find that A2DP uses too much CPU to be used with a high-CPU application such as Skype (it certainly does on my Hermes). Also, as far as I can tell A2DP is a one way audio link (sound goes to the headset, but not the other way) and such is inappropriate for this type of use. Your best bet is to use a wired headset.
You may also want to try Fring (google it); i'm told it contains a Skype client that can use the phone's speaker as opposed to the loudspeaker.
Windows Mobile 6 has its own VOIP built in (provided it wasn't removed from your ROM) and while this works (uses the in built phone app so works just like that can with any audio device that you can use in a normal phone call) it is very (and I mean VERY) difficult to set up. Definitely not for the feint of heart...
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I just bought a bluetooth stereo headset that uses a2dp and I can carry coversations with it so it does work with phones calls.
Also where are the VOIP setting in WM6?
Like he said, your provider may have taken it out, I flashed my rom so I have it. But Inorder to set it up, Would I still need an account with skype? or another service? or will the voip in wm6 work on its own,?
caeci11ius said:
Windows Mobile 6 has its own VOIP built in (provided it wasn't removed from your ROM) and while this works (uses the in built phone app so works just like that can with any audio device that you can use in a normal phone call) it is very (and I mean VERY) difficult to set up. Definitely not for the feint of heart...
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Im not feint hearted!
Please bring on your instructions?
Does anyone know how we can get all of the Sony DS980's features to work with our Tilts?
Any ideas?
Anybody?
Thanks,
Dave.
Install the jetware bluetooth extension and it gets a few more functions working but some features such as address book will still not work
Do you have personal experience with this? If so, please list everything that does work for us...
I've been using this for a month or so with the jetware extension installed, it allows you to browse your call history and return calls from there but not the address book.
I think after installing this the only things that don't work are the address book and music track name display.
Just try it out there's a 30 day trial and if it's not for you uninstall it. i don't think all features will work unless we get a new bluetooth stack, maybe windows mobile 6.1 update will do this when it finally comes out.
Does it display the names & numbers of incoming calls?
Do you know how your set-up compares to the Motorola S705 SoundPilot?
it does display the numbers of incoming calls, think the jetware extension needs to be installed for this though, if it's one of your contacts it displays the name like "Home" etc.
I've no experience of Motorola headsets but i would assume they will have the same problem as it seems the Microsoft bluetooth stack is missing the more advanced features so the information is not sent to the headset.
I have one
I just got my new ATT 8925. I am using DS 980. I will test it next week and let you guys know. I am using on my cingular 8125 and it works fine
Review, please!
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I just got my new ATT 8925. I am using DS 980. I will test it next week and let you guys know. I am using on my cingular 8125 and it works fine
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Please do keep us posted, I'm sure I'm not the only one who is curious for a full review!
Music quality
Call quality, both ends
Pairing feasibility
Lanyard for neck-wear included? Detachable?
Sturdy & trust-worthy clip included? Detachable?
& more...
Thanks,
Dave.
awdbeast said:
Please do keep us posted, I'm sure I'm not the only one who is curious for a full review!
Music quality
Call quality, both ends
Pairing feasibility
Lanyard for neck-wear included? Detachable?
Sturdy & trust-worthy clip included? Detachable?
& more...
Thanks,
Dave.
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The music and call quality are very good, compare to others BT I had tried before, HBH-200, Nokia Hs-12W and others Motorola BT. The only cons I have is, there is no clip-so it will be bouncy around your chest, and the charger head is hard to find (I wish they use a universal mini usb head for charger, so we don't need to bring so many charges). Pairing is easy and more stable, compare to my old cingular 8125. ID display for last 10 incoming/outgoing call on BT. You can't get your whole contact on BT display.
A few questions / care to do a review?
leeky said:
The music and call quality are very good, compare to others BT I had tried before, HBH-200, Nokia Hs-12W and others Motorola BT. The only cons I have is, there is no clip-so it will be bouncy around your chest, and the charger head is hard to find (I wish they use a universal mini usb head for charger, so we don't need to bring so many charges). Pairing is easy and more stable, compare to my old cingular 8125. ID display for last 10 incoming/outgoing call on BT. You can't get your whole contact on BT display.
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A few questions , if you don't mind:
Does it work with Voice Command?
How well?
How comfortable is the lanyard?
Can it be worn comfortably all day?
Is the lanyard detachable?
Is the lanyard adjustable / can it be shortened?
Does it have any sort of an auto-pairing feature?
Is there much of a delay in pairing?
How fast or slow is it?
How does it do switching to & from incoming calls when you're listening to music?
Is there much of a delay?
How fast or slow is it?
Does it show the contact name &/or # of incoming calls?
Does it show the contact name &/or # of outgoing calls?
How does it do switching to & from incoming calls when you're on a call already?
Is there much of a delay?
How fast or slow is it?
Does it show the contact name &/or # of the incoming call?
Will it let you know if the person that you put on hold hangs up while you're talking to the new caller?
How's the range on it?
Can it pair to multiple Bluetooth devices simultaneously?
Have you tried it?
I want to pair to my laptop & listen to music off of it while I still have the ability to be alerted of incoming calls & to take them as well.
Can it do it?
Have you tried it?
How does it do switching to & from incoming calls when you're listening to music from the laptop (or the other source besides the Tilt / Kaiser)?
Is there much of a delay?
How fast or slow is it?
Does it show the contact name &/or # of incoming calls?
Does it show the contact name &/or # of outgoing calls?
Are the headphones permanently attached or can you replace them with any pair you like?
How do the original headphones sound:
-in general
-bass
Can you initiate calls with it (from your last ten calls list)?
Is there an audible alert for incoming calls:
-when the phone isn't on silent, so it is set to ring / ring & vibrate
-when the phone is set to silent
Have you tried the Jetware extension yet?
How much did you pay for your 980s?
Is that the best deal that you've seen on them?
If not, then where did you see that best price?
Link?
@ Dave/awdbeast ...
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF GOOGLE ????
looking at some of your past posts ... many of your questions can be google by yourself by reading the many available reviews out there !!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=9567025
why not try and help yourself first ... then come back here for some UNanswered questions ...etc !
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A few questions , if you don't mind:
How fast or slow is it?
How does it do switching to & from incoming calls when you're listening to music?
Is there much of a delay?
How fast or slow is it?
How fast or slow is it?
How fast or slow is it?
Does it show the contact name &/or # of incoming calls?
Does it show the contact name &/or # of outgoing calls?
Does it show the contact name &/or # of incoming calls?
Does it show the contact name &/or # of outgoing calls?
How does it do switching to & from incoming calls when you're listening to music?
How does it do switching to & from incoming calls when you're listening to music from the laptop (or the other source besides the Tilt / Kaiser)?
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WTF ????
Stop stuttering !!
You're worse then my 5 years old daughter !!! ...
spooki37 said:
I've been using this for a month or so with the jetware extension installed, it allows you to browse your call history and return calls from there but not the address book.
I think after installing this the only things that don't work are the address book and music track name display.
Just try it out there's a 30 day trial and if it's not for you uninstall it. i don't think all features will work unless we get a new bluetooth stack, maybe windows mobile 6.1 update will do this when it finally comes out.
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Spooki37, even without Jetware extension, I can get caller Id and call history on my DS 980.
Is the microphone on the DS 980 pretty good? It seems to have all the other features I want in a headset.
I bought a Motorola S705 and the microphone on it is horrible, everyone says I can barely be heard or my voice is clipped or runs together and they can't understand me.
Also the motorola will loose bluetooth connection if I get a reminder from PhoneAlarm that I missed a call or have a voicemail. Haven't tried to see if this happens when streaming music and a call comes in.
I just bought this unit. However, after a call comes in when music is playing, the unit disconnects. Is there any way to stop this?
I installed jetware and t seems my problem is fixed
Was anyone successful with using fring, SJphone or any other SIP client on TP2?
Thanks.
AGEphone , nimbuzz, portsip, fring worked for me. I heard voice ok, but other side always say they can't hear me. This is with gizmo5.
Hi Pivazia,
Google for X-Lite. This is free app I have tested on TP2 in combination with my company TrixBOX server and worked O.K.
Only that I did not manage is to drive sound through earpiece (the sound goes through speakerphone).
Sorry about my English.
Regards,
Nino.
I've used SJ, x-lite, and the internal VOIP on WM6. SJ is bar far my fav. All work alright, but I have volume issues with the internal voip - too quiet. Using an external earpiece is easiest with all apps, but you can use Audioroute to force the audio to the internal earpiece. All wm voip apps will route to either the speakerphone or the external earpiece by default unless you use audioroute.
Also, download Don't Sleep Wifi so that you can use voip on wifi easily without the phone going to sleep (and killing your call!)
Here is the link for SJPhone: http://www.sjphone.org/preview/SJphone-1.60-WindowsCE(preview)/
Which version did you try?
So far I used fring, call quality is ok but the sound comes out of the rear speaker...maybe I should try plugging in the headphone and test...
for me is the same problem, cant make without the speaker. will try now the audioroute. so far fring works good on wifi and 3g with like 2 sec delay
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... Using an external earpiece is easiest with all apps, but you can use Audioroute to force the audio to the internal earpiece. All wm voip apps will route to either the speakerphone or the external earpiece by default unless you use audioroute.
Also, download Don't Sleep Wifi so that you can use voip on wifi easily without the phone going to sleep (and killing your call!)
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Hi Chopsxxx,
Speakerphone, as you say, is easier to use but sometimes need a little privacy. At least one side privacy.
Thanks for the tips about AudioRoute and Don't sleep. I will try!
Regards,
Nino.
Has anyone setup the internal voip on wm6.5 yet? If so what did you use and how?
I've been searching for Internet calling function in WM6.5 on the TP2 but nothing found yet. Has anyone got that working in WM6.5?
Fring works for me
I have Fring set up with my SipGate credentials. I use iDialer to originate calls through Google Voice.
I don't use this setup often, but it works fine when I do. For more information on my Winmo/Google Voice setup, see the links in my signature line.
use PortGo softphone, it is better than SJphone and the sound is coming from earpiece
portgo is not tat clear, i feel fring is much better with ear piece, i have tried nimbuzz too work ok but drawback is sound come thru speaker
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There are programs for windows mobile but I can't find any for windows smartphone 6.5 . I'm also looking for stock quotes software... one that can use stocks from non US markets.
I managed to get incoming VoIP/SIP working with a native app but it was a bit messed up. Basically I installed this package: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596682
and followed this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950
I can't get outgoing to work, but incoming works.
Wow you got it working? Which device do you have? I tried with the HTC Maple (called Mobilicity Snap here) and could never get the audio to come through the earpiece.
Anyway, the two programs I've tried that DO work are AGEphone and fring.
On the Mobilicity HTC Snap I got it working, yes. The question was not about using the earpiece, it was about using the native VoIP client. In fact, I did manage to get the VoIP calls through the earpiece but it has a very bad negative effect: the ringer also goes through the earpiece after a few seconds, thus making the ring on incoming calls very quiet. In my opinion, it is much better to use the headset for VoIP calls as it provides excellent quality, no echo and no problems with the ringer.
The problem with outgoing calls is in the way WinMo's VoIP places the calls. They work with Voxalot but not PBXes. I am assuming everybody can just use Voxalot as a middleman between the HTC Snap and the voip provider if there are any problems with outgoing calls.
That's funny, as I could never get it working with the headset. Outgoing calls worked, but only over the speakerphone, while incoming calls had no audio at all. The mic didn't even work; I could press the keypad and get a DTMF tone, but that was it.
Could you tell me exactly which steps you took to get the audio to come out of the earpiece? I kind of gave up and am using fring, but it would be interesting to see how you did it.
xenyz said:
That's funny, as I could never get it working with the headset. Outgoing calls worked, but only over the speakerphone, while incoming calls had no audio at all. The mic didn't even work; I could press the keypad and get a DTMF tone, but that was it.
Could you tell me exactly which steps you took to get the audio to come out of the earpiece? I kind of gave up and am using fring, but it would be interesting to see how you did it.
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Sorry, apparently I was wrong, even with the earpiece hack (I tried both of them) the most you can achieve is to get the ringer to go through the earpiece but once the call connects it goes back to the speaker.
The only solution is to use the headset. I tried for outgoing only and I am able to dial, send DTMF and speak, so the mic works well.
With the native client on the HTC Snap VoIP works only with headset. Overall, I have been using WinMo for about a week and I can say that I hate it more than any other OS I have used. I wish we could get Android to boot but seems like the CPU on the Snap is messing up the effort.
Fring is also garbage on WinMo. It often fails to connect and when it does connect the call quality (over WiFi) is much worse compared to Fring on S60 or iOS. It eats the battery like a monster, something that doesn't happen on S60. There is no way to change/silence the ringtone with Fring on WinMo and if a call comes over the GSM line while you are on a call with Fring your Fring call goes through the speaker, very embarrassing.
I got my Snap for 100$ from Mobilicity and I think the hardware is worth it, but Microsoft should be paying me for being stuck with their useless OS.