Hi everyone,
On my Razr I could extend the number of characters allowed for an SMS message from 140 to something like 300 using a firmware hack. Apparently if it is too long Bell’s network splits it up into two messages. Anyway, I would imagine doing something like this on a WM device should be easier? Or not?
Is there a registry setting we can use to give us a little more space when typing out SMS’s?
I can almost swear I found this in the registry back when I had a Wizard but I can't remember where. Damn those hundreds of registry entries...
If I find the same entry on my Sprint Touch I'll let you know.
thefish123 said:
On my Razr I could extend the number of characters allowed for an SMS message from 140 to something like 300 using a firmware hack. Apparently if it is too long Bell’s network splits it up into two messages. ...
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I'd be surprised if this worked generically, though it might work for a few circumstances. SMSs are fixed at 160 by convention and it would require cooperation of *every* relay in the chain to get an increase, not just at the sender's client end. I know that from my testing, Sprint pretty much obeys the 160 char rule and doesn't seem to pass anything beyond 160. Perhaps Bell does, but you'd also need the cooperation of the other carrier, any 3rd party services in between (most inter-carrier SMS relays are handled by a 3rd party), and also the recipient's device.
sprint told me sms were supposed to be 500 characters when i signed up, yea i believed them, haha
On most other Bell phones I think the limit is 160 (on the Touch it's 140). Perhaps that is because the Touch lets you enter a “subject” line? At any rate is it possible to extend it and then I can experiment with how long a message I can send.
So you just want it to allow you to type a message more then 160 characters? For instance if you go over that it will allow you to continue to type but when you send it then it will break it up into however many messages that it needs too? Or are you trying to send a message in on txt that is longer then 160?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_message_service#Message_Size
Rudegar said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_message_service#Message_Size
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Thats all fine and good but that doesn't answer the question. Sorry if that comes off a little rude(not intended offensively). That merely explains the concept of SMS and how it can be 70-160 characters depending on bits. It is also for the GSM service whereas we have CDMA devices.
Thanks for trying though.
dharvey4651 said:
Thats all fine and good but that doesn't answer the question. Sorry if that comes off a little rude(not intended offensively). That merely explains the concept of SMS and how it can be 70-160 characters depending on bits. It is also for the GSM service whereas we have CDMA devices.
Thanks for trying though.
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Well, like it or not, that material is extremely relevant, because the priorities are interoperability and economy of transmission. Sprint originally *tried* to go on its own with its Shortmail service, which allowed 1000 chars, but it fell down on precisely those two issues: the long messages would only work within the Shortmail system and obviously could not work across other carriers, and its implementation was not "lightweight", but relied on the Internet and dedicated website -- not economical at all. Obviously in the end, Sprint folded up and joined the rest of the world in supporting standard SMS specs. The great part about SMS is that it uses so little resources and therefore can co-exist with voice channels and doesn't require a "heavyweight" data channel (of course that means transporting SMSs cost carriers next to nothing to provide and yet carriers can charge $$$ for SMS)...
Previously on any GSM phone I've had, txt msgs were 160 characters (if longer it would span to multiple messages). Now that I've moved to Bell (CDMA), the Touch only allows 140 before spanning. If you type an accented character by mistake (such as with the accented a character always popping up), it doesn't tell you, but the message gets clipped down to 70 characters (and spanned across multiple). I suspect these missing 20 characters are related to some sort of character-set identification, specifying the bit-count of the characters you're using. When you use an accented character, you get 16-bit characters, resulting in even less.
Long story short, there should be some way to get 160 character messages, as that's the "standard" for most providers. Whether its possible on our phones is another question. Also, has anyone else noticed that our phone won't join multi-sms messages back into a single message? If someone sends me a message of 200 characters, I literally get 2 seperate messages, whereas on my previous GSM Atom, it went and joined it back into one...
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Also, has anyone else noticed that our phone won't join multi-sms messages back into a single message? If someone sends me a message of 200 characters, I literally get 2 seperate messages, whereas on my previous GSM Atom, it went and joined it back into one...
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I have noticed that I am now getting multiple messages from the same person and they obviously look like one long message broken up. I don’t know if my Razr (my previous phone) used to reassemble them or if I just never received such long text messages before but in any case I have only noticed it since getting the Touch.
If the network automatically splits up long text messages and most phones reassemble the message back into one then what would be the problem with allowing the Touch/Vogue, or any phone for that matter, to send messages of 160, 200, 300 whatever length? Especially if this is as light on network resources as they?
Can anyone confirm the 140 vs. 160 character limit due to the subject line present in the Touch? It might seem like a small difference but that extra 20 characters can really come in handy!! Percentage wise it’s a pretty big difference.
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***I MEANT TO PUT SMS IN THE TITLE, NOT MMS***
I searched at work and I just searched again when I got home and I can't find anything. The registry edit a few people posted doesn't seem to help me. Unless i'm doing something wrong. You know how you can only type 160 characters in a text message? I want to increase that. I know it's possible and i'm almost positive I seen it before somewhere.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks.
itslinx said:
I searched at work and I just searched again when I got home and I can't find anything. The registry edit a few people posted doesn't seem to help me. Unless i'm doing something wrong. You know how you can only type 160 characters in a text message? I want to increase that. I know it's possible and i'm almost positive I seen it before somewhere.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks.
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Are you talkin about SMS or MMS?
You can increase the limit of a sms.... But the recipient will receive 2 messages... And you'll pay for both, not only one.....
MMS limit is set about to 1000 characters....
I meant SMS, my bad. Just regular txt messages. So even if I change it on my end to be able to type more, the person receiving it will get 2 messages anyway?
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if I change it on my end to be able to type more, the person receiving it will get 2 messages anyway?
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Sure.....
If you write an sms up to 160 character, it will be splitted in 2 messages or more....
Erm. I'm confused now. So there's really no way to make a longer text message then? Anything below 160 will be 1 message and anything over that will be another message? I guess the person receiving the text can only receive so much any way.
there is no way to change the limit on the sms messages... it will get split due to carrier restrictions.. ( Short Messenger Service = short quick messages thats what its intended for )
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Erm. I'm confused now. So there's really no way to make a longer text message then? Anything below 160 will be 1 message and anything over that will be another message? I guess the person receiving the text can only receive so much any way.
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Right....they will receive two texts but the second one will pick up right where the last one left off.
well i receive really long text messages from my girlfriend and another friend. one had a sidekick lx the other one a pearl. so is it just tmobile to tmobile you can send long messages and the the person gets as a long message. also how come mms downloading uses gprs instead of edge speed i probably wouldnt know the difference but just curious.
CFKILLERS said:
well i receive really long text messages from my girlfriend and another friend. one had a sidekick lx the other one a pearl. so is it just tmobile to tmobile you can send long messages and the the person gets as a long message. also how come mms downloading uses gprs instead of edge speed i probably wouldnt know the difference but just curious.
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why not put the sms threader on you phone, and when you recieve long text msgs they will show as one long message on your phone!!!!!
i already get long text messages without it but when i send a long one only my girlfriends sidekick lx can get a real long message everyone else it breaks it down.
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i already get long text messages without it but when i send a long one only my girlfriends sidekick lx can get a real long message everyone else it breaks it down.
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thats part of the sidekick software, but it still counts as a seperate message on her service, it just reads that way...
tell your friends to upgrade their phones if you want it to show in long messages on their part....
and if you friends wont change, change the friends around you !!!
I have unlimited internet for my HTC Vogue, but no free text messaging. Does anyone know of a program that lets you send text messages over the internet instead of as a text message? I know there are websites that do this, but they're kinda annoying to use. I'm on Bell too if thats important.
Buy a $5 text messaging package But seriously it’s probably going to be a bigger pain to jump through those kinds of hoops then it’s worth. What if someone text messages you? It will come in as a regular text message, it will not get routed through the Internet even if you send your original txt through some website or via some special software.
I use OctroTalk as my XMPP client (jabber/Google Talk) to get connected to Google Talk.
You can use AIM. I'm not sure if it sends SMS to out of the US though, but if they are in the US just do +1(number)
It may be possible, but I haven't seen this. SMS is huge these days, so I'm sure carriers try to prevent this from happening since they probably make a good deal of money with these text packages.
I do know however, that when I used to use the VZAccess Manager to tether my phone, I could sends SMS. I didn't have a text plan, since it was just a USB modem, turns out the text would take away from my allowed data usage of 5GB. I kept asking the rep how it was possible, but of course she had no idea.
Either way, just spend the small amount of money for the text, I'm sure you get a bunch for about $5.
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SMS is huge these days
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SMS is really very useful. It’s like IM everywhere all the time. The new ROM from Bell Mobility for the Vogue has threaded SMS which makes it just like having an IM app.
I also have various RAID arrays and environmental monitors (temp, humidity, etc) in server rooms across the GTA that will SMS me when something goes wrong. It’s such a great way for me to add value to the services I offer my customers. I can walk in their front door because something is wrong before they even know there is a problem.
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Text messaging over the Internet is trivial. All you have to do is send an email to the carrier's EMAIL/SMS gateway. The tricky thing of course is that you need to know the carrier of the recipient and the carrier's gateway. There are lists of these things on the Internet. For example, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_gateway
Just a few are:
Verizon: [email protected]
Sprint: [email protected]
Tmobile: [email protected]
AT&T/Cingular: [email protected]
Using any decent email client to send the email. Limit the entire text to 160 characters. The other issue is what you put down as a reply address, your email address or your phone's address (which is just like that listed above). That would depend on whether you *really* don't want to RECEIVE replies by SMS either.
If you don't know the recipient's carrier, you can try the service TELEFLIP.COM. Send the textmsg email to:
[email protected]
and it will figure out the carrier for you. It mostly works, but isn't 100%.
Oh, and there are also analogous carrier email gateways for MMS (picture msgs). They are also listed in the link above. For example, for Sprint, send the email with the pic attached to:
[email protected]
awesome, thanks.
that's exactly what I was hoping for.
I know it's only $5, but I'm pretty cheap
i get very bad lag when sending texts longer then 1 sms (over 160 characters) can this be fixed? i have seen lag fixes around but seem to focus on people with large number of texts in inbox.
Interesting one....
t3rm3y said:
i get very bad lag when sending texts longer then 1 sms (over 160 characters) can this be fixed? i have seen lag fixes around but seem to focus on people with large number of texts in inbox.
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I have had four WinMo devices over the years, and all of them suffered with this problem. I queried this with Orange (my service provider) when I had the first device (SPVM500 running WM2003) and they told me it was something to do with the SMS service only used to support 160 characters. It was then expanded to 479 characters, and the system splits it into three messages, and sends them individually. Orange then told me that for some reason WinMo devices don't like sending more than two messages at once, so a large one seems to hang as its sent to the network, and verified and checked before being sent onwards.
How true this is I cannot say, but it certainly seems to fit what happens.
After the SPVM500, I had an HTC TOUCH, then a TRINITY variant, and finally a TOUCH HD, and all have suffered from this.
On the Touch (Elf) I even tried flashing different ROMS, and the SMS "hang" still occurred.
I know it doesn't help you, but at least you know it's not a fault with your device.
I'm not sure if this is an EVO issue or a Sprint issue as I've always used AT&T before.
Is there a reason I can only receive about 1 SMS per minute and multi-part sms show up in parts rather than as one long message? The default Messaging app and Handcent seem to operate the same.
Any insight?
Thanks
Sprint has limited the number of characters in their messages for some time now, but I usually get the other parts of messages back-to-back. Well, maybe it took another 20 seconds for the 2nd part to come in, but it hasn't taken a whole minute.
Go to the market and download ChompSMS. It gives you the option to either split up the texts or receive them all at once.
Whoa ChompSMS will do that!? Like it will wait for everything to come in, compile it in order, and spit it to you in one SMS? If thats true thats awesome. Some of my friends write novels from their iPhones like little girls. Ill get all 17 pages at random times in random order. Ugh.
Well you can send texts out that are more than 160 characters. I think that you can receive them all at one too
Better yet...send yourself a text using chomp and go past the 160 character limit. See if it splits it up or not.
Handcent does the same. It even gives you the option to customize how you want it split. Split by letter, by word, etc., etc.
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Handcent does the same. It even gives you the option to customize how you want it split. Split by letter, by word, etc., etc.
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Where is this option?
AcIdC0R3 said:
Handcent does the same. It even gives you the option to customize how you want it split. Split by letter, by word, etc., etc.
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Are you sure this effects receiving the message? I thought this only had to do with splitting the messages you are sending.
I hate when i get the second half of the message first.....Reply like ???? and then get the first half after i reply......
The person sending can also send them as a MMS (multi media message) which lets you do much more text.
i cant see the option to receive messages > 160 characters at once in chompSMS... I've looked everywhere
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i cant see the option to receive messages > 160 characters at once in chompSMS... I've looked everywhere
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Have you received a text message that is more than 160 characters? I sent one to myself that was almost 300 and it all came in at one time. I then had a friend send me one, about the same size and it all came in one text...granted it was super long and took up the whole page.
What you could do is this -
SETTINGS > SMS NETWORK > MOBILE CARRIER SETTINGS > CDMA SPLIT
Make sure this is unchecked.
Reboot the phone and send yourself a >160 character text message and see what happens.
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Have you received a text message that is more than 160 characters? I sent one to myself that was almost 300 and it all came in at one time. I then had a friend send me one, about the same size and it all came in one text...granted it was super long and took up the whole page.
What you could do is this -
SETTINGS > SMS NETWORK > MOBILE CARRIER SETTINGS > CDMA SPLIT
Make sure this is unchecked.
Reboot the phone and send yourself a >160 character text message and see what happens.
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This didn't work for me. Can anybody else confirm this?
Well after updating ChompSMS last night, it seems that I cannot receive texts like I used to. I can still get more than 160 characters, but not like I did before.
Oh well...most people I SMS with don't have the ability to send really long text messages anyways. Hope you guys can find something useful.
Hey guys, I know this probably isn't related to Essential specifically, but when I receive messages over 150 characters it comes in all broken up and out of order. Is there an app or something I need to do to fix this? Are people receiving my messages like this too?
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Hey guys, I know this probably isn't related to Essential specifically, but when I receive messages over 150 characters it comes in all broken up and out of order. Is there an app or something I need to do to fix this? Are people receiving my messages like this too?
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Tell them to not send messages of more than 140 characters?Text messages are limited in length.
If you violate the limit the app has no way of delivering the message without breaking it up.
In principal, it should not be out of order when you receive it.
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Tell them to not send messages of more than 140 characters?Text messages are limited in length.
If you violate the limit the app has no way of delivering the message without breaking it up.
In principal, it should not be out of order when you receive it.
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Thanks for the unhelpful and sarcastic reply. You should have just said nothing at all... My iPhone sure didn't have this issue, and I have a hard time believing that this is an unsolvable Android issue.
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Thanks for the unhelpful and sarcastic reply. You should have just said nothing at all... My iPhone sure didn't have this issue, and I have a hard time believing that this is an unsolvable Android issue.
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Actually you read the first sentence and didn't read further:
"If you violate the limit the app has no way of delivering the message without breaking it up.
In principal, it should not be out of order when you receive it."
You also never said anything about iPhone functionality.
iPhone/Apple's messaging app uses iMessage as a form of delivery/reception.
This means that MMS is always the way a message is sent. When sending to other iPhone users MMS s the default method.
Android phones use the standard SMS built into the cell network that has a 160 character limit.
Unless the sender specifically can configure their app to convert messages longer than 160 charters to MMS, then the message will be broken because there is a protocol limitation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS
Depending on your messaging app, and possibly who is sending it determines this as well. SMS over the character length can be sent as MMS and not be broken up. I've seen it in some app settings before as a choice between the two methods as well. Not familiar at the moment. Doesn't bother me so it's not something I look for but it could be a starting point for you to look as well.
Edit - should have read the previous post all the way though. Just reiterated. Sorry.