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8Gig SDHC cards do NOT work in the Prophet

Not that I think the above is really that surprising, but I bought a 8gig SDHC card for my camera (which IS SDHC compliant) and tried the card in the Prophet and it did not work/read/attempt to format etc... it did NOTHING with it...
So for those wondering/searching NO -- it doesn't work :-(

sdhc in registry
surprisingly though there is a key in the registry under drivers named sdhc. Maybe it means something else.

Oh good. One less thing to spend my money on

The "sdhc" in Windows Mobile stands for "SDIO Host Controller". So, nope, it's not SDHC we want.

SDHC is in the registry
HKLM->Drivers->BuiltIn->SDHC
I would believe that if the SDHC.dll is updated to SD 2.0, our device would be working with the 8GB SDHC card.
Has M$ updated that driver yet?
[Treo 680 works with 8GB SDHC. When that driver (Palm OS) is copied to Treo 700p, that makes the device work with 8GB too.]

There might be two hurdles sdhc.dll (MS) and omap850_sdhc.dll (HTC/TI). So even if MS updates WM to support SDHC cards, I think the hardware driver must be updated too.

8 gb-> four 2 gb?
JamesManios said:
Not that I think the above is really that surprising, but I bought a 8gig SDHC card for my camera (which IS SDHC compliant) and tried the card in the Prophet and it did not work/read/attempt to format etc... it did NOTHING with it...
So for those wondering/searching NO -- it doesn't work :-(
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How about formating the card in the PC and splitting into four 2 gb partitions? Try that, may be that would work. You can also try few different media cards software to create the right partitions. just google it for the software.
Hope it works for you.
Best Regards,

Partitioning would probably not remedy SDHC issue
It's possible to partition a SDHC card into 2GBx4 or 4GBx2 but it would not change anything because the CSD (card specific data) is different on SDHC cards and the device should be able to interpret it before recognizing the partitions.
The prohet is incompatible with SDHC it can not read its CSD. The CSD is outside user accessible area and this is the device driver that reads it to understand what is the capacity, manufacturer ID and serial number of the card.
I suggest to never buy SDHC cards for prophet and use standard 4GB Transcend or Ridata cards.
Do not buy any 4GB SD card of brands not registered to sdcard.org and avoid fake Sandisk's as well.

makes sence.. my idea wasn't thought trough..

one question, is posible install anything drive o parth ?..
I have 1 sd 4gb Transcend 150x and i have more and more problem..
Please help me
Actualy i have 2 part 2 gb..

spoolk said:
one question, is posible install anything drive o parth ?..
I have 1 sd 4gb Transcend 150x and i have more and more problem..
Please help me
Actualy i have 2 part 2 gb..
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Why 2 partitions? I have the Transcend 4gb SD. I formatted it on my PC using XP to one large 4gb drive and it works flawlessly. You might want to copy the data off of it and reformat it.

because , when open aplication from sd, some time the pda is block and i have get out the SD CARD , and get in too , for unblock.
SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH.
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FREE WEB TRANSLATION:
When I open the applications in the SD, the pda shields herself and I have to extract the SD and return to introduce her to unblock.

8 GB on Universal

There are now SDHC cards of 8 GB.
Universal does not support SDHC cards.
BUT... there are many adapters that transform SDHC card into a SD card.
Those are cards of SD size. You insert SDHC cards into them.
Did someone try to use 8 GB sdhc cards on Universal with such an adapter?

legion1911 said:
There are now SDHC cards of 8 GB.
Universal does not support SDHC cards.
BUT... there are many adapters that transform SDHC card into a SD card.
Those are cards of SD size. You insert SDHC cards into them.
Did someone try to use 8 GB sdhc cards on Universal with such an adapter?
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I read somewhere in the Qtek Manual that the MAXIMUM Storage Card size the Universal will support is 6GB. I am unsure what will happen if you squeeze an 8GB card into it. Maybe it would:
1. Not detect any card at all
or
2. Will only indicate a 6GB card, despite the fact that you plugged an 8GB one
Whatever the case, I am pretty sure that there is an OS workaround to this issue (if it really is an issue). Maybe WM6 has already addressed this limitation, you never know. Maybe all that you need to do is format the Storage Card to a FAT32 media format, instead of the default FAT16 most cards come in.

Given that SDHC cards are the same size as SD cards, how exactly would it fit into an adapter, and then into the uni?!?!?

There are mini SDHC cards which fit the 2.0 standard but with such adapter I think you'll just get a normal SDHC card..

captainsensible2002 said:
Given that SDHC cards are the same size as SD cards, how exactly would it fit into an adapter, and then into the uni?!?!?
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Yes I am interested in this as well, how can a card that is the same size as the convertor card fit!!!
I have a 4 GB SDHC card (DANE-ELEC) that I bought from Expansys and it works in nothing, no computers, cameras PDA or anything......... What are they supposed to work in?
And if there is and adapter that works please provide a link!!!!

seal said:
Yes I am interested in this as well, how can a card that is the same size as the convertor card fit!!!
I have a 4 GB SDHC card (DANE-ELEC) that I bought from Expansys and it works in nothing, no computers, cameras PDA or anything......... What are they supposed to work in?
And if there is and adapter that works please provide a link!!!!
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This is always the problem with new technologies in which the Buyer Beware principle applies. The SDHC cards are out there, but the readers for those cards are not yet as pervasive and mainstream as the previous generation ones.
This is a critical flaw in the SDHC technological evolution. They basically produced a half-solution (for me its a half-assed solution) which should have never been implemented. Here is the half-assed solution:
- SDHC readers are backwards compatible and can read traditional SD as well as SDHC cards.
- SDHC cards ARE NOT backwards compatibe with traditional SD readers and will only wrk with SDHC readers.
It is the above problem that has got consumers at large, you included, absolutely furious for not making things clearer. So - if you are an SDHC card holder, and are desperate to use it, well .... there is no choice for you to wait for the SDHC readers to be present in the devices you wish to use SDHC cards in.

legion1911 said:
There are now SDHC cards of 8 GB.
Universal does not support SDHC cards.
BUT... there are many adapters that transform SDHC card into a SD card.
Those are cards of SD size. You insert SDHC cards into them.
Did someone try to use 8 GB sdhc cards on Universal with such an adapter?
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How support for Universal ?

Guys, received a review sample of a Transcend 8GB SDHC card today and it doesn't work. The Universal just won't detect a Storage Card.
The same goes for ALL other Windows Mobile devices with SD slot at this moment.
Even readers must be special SDHC ones. I have one of those and the PC can work with the card.

This is not going to help, but I have a Transcend 4GB SDHC card, and it's hopeless too, doesn't work in the Universal.

richardlai said:
This is not going to help, but I have a Transcend 4GB SDHC card, and it's hopeless too, doesn't work in the Universal.
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For that you'll need Transcend's NORMAL 4GB SD card. They have a regular one and a 150x (access speed) one.
I have the latter and it works great for almost a year now.

great~~~~ i like this~

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Yes, TRANSCEND 4GB SD card 150x works great on my set too

Pretec 133x Cheetah 4 GB card works on my Universal, too:
http://www.dealtime.co.uk/xPF-Pretec-SHM04G
I was using it in my MDA Compact (HTC Magician) and it was working ok, too. I had to use cNET Flash format to access 4GB, though.
It would be cool if anyone could come up with a solution that would enable the Universal to read SDHC cards. I'm sure a new driver would solve this as the hardware is exactly the same.
Michal

what if you use a micro to SD adaptor with an 8 gig micro SD??
anyone ever try this?
my buddies 2 gig works in the adaptor.

JayRayMee.NL said:
For that you'll need Transcend's NORMAL 4GB SD card. They have a regular one and a 150x (access speed) one.
I have the latter and it works great for almost a year now.
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Must reiterate this point... I have one too, and it works great, no problems at all, and fast!
Hopefully this page will answer these neverending SDHC questions... "the SD 2.0 standard in SDHC uses a different memory addressing method (sector addressing vs byte addressing[9]). 4GB SDHC cards can only work with SDHC compatible host devices."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card (Scroll down to SDHC).
As far as I can tell, SDHC requires different HARDWARE to run, think it's down to the motherboard level and maybe even the slot itself.

yeah, interestingly my buddies 2 gig micro sd card is sdhc.
and it worked.. i don't actually know if there are 8 gig micro sd.. and MAN those cards are small!

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"what if you use a micro to SD adaptor with an 8 gig micro SD??
anyone ever try this?
my buddies 2 gig works in the adaptor"
What brand of micro SDHC card are you using?

It's San Disk

Micro-SD adapter?

Hi,
I am by no means tech savvy with my BA. Overtime, I have managed to upgrade mine from 2003 to wm6. And each time I did it, i held my breathe....lol
Since my searching the forums, I only see support for the 4 gig non sdhc cards...I have a 4 gig non sdhc capacity card now and it works fine.....and yes, I see all the complaints about posting on the sdhc compliant cards. I am aware the driver for the sd reader, has to be custom written specifically for the BA, since the BA was not designed to upgraded to wm6 in the first place. Is the 5.2.1933 compatible with sdhc protocol itself? I am seeing that some of the newer htc phones may nor may not be sdhc compatible as well.
Well, has anyone tried a Sd-micro Sd adapter, like this one, and just skip SD and move to microSD. There is 6 gig card in the below link.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?page=2&Nav=|c:1579|&Sort=4&Recs=10
There is already a 8 gig coming, found one for 135.00 and now, I stumbled across a 12 announced like 8 days ago at engadget.
Anyone tried any of this, the microSD adapter? This is an external bypass i would think, but with these cooked roms, I never know what works and what doesn't. I can't get my phone to turn off using the com manager, (i am not complaining, I just know there are still issues with WM6 not being bug free)
Would you have a speed issue? In other words, yes, i know there is a hack, to get music to not skip, that has to do with the bit rate transfer. That is the bug fix for that issue. Would you get more problems like this adapter, due to the driver and/or incompatibilty of transfer rates?
edit: I am using 5.2.1933 build

Answer is simple: If the MicroSD card is a normal SD, it will work. If it's SDHC, it won't. MicroSD adapter is just a size converter: there is no electronics inside. SD card, miniSD and microSD are identical from protocol point of view. SD and SDHC is identical. They have just different sizes.

Thanks for the reply.
i think all the new big gig cards are gonna be sdhc or sd 2.0 compliant. I am still struggling with all these things, sd 1 sd 1.1 sd 2.0, micro, mini etc. It is so confusing.
Guess its time for a touch cruise. It has gps
Thanks.

There are 8gb standard sd cards on ebay. Anyone used any one of those? I bought one but found it was a 4gb hacked to display 8gb and had read and write errors and subsequently was useless. Are there any genuine standard non-sdhc 8 gb cards out there?

It is not technically possible to do SD non-HC card over 4GB. Normal SD ends on 1GB, with some tricks you gen achieve up to 4GB with limited compatibility. But there is no way to have non-HC cards bigger than 4GB.

Sandisk 8gb microsdhc not readable?

so im excited to get a 8gb card for my kaiser,so i pop it in and reset...goto memory>storage card NOTHING!pop it out put it in my pc and invalid process!!!WTF?!?!?!help please

Have you tried to format the card from your PC. If that doesn't work you might have a bad card. Sucks but it does happen sometimes.

Also, please remember that these portable handsets are usually not NTFS file format compatible. Be sure when you are formatting that the card is in FAT or FAT32 mode, with default block sizes and allocation.
Also, it does sound to me that your card is defective. I have never had to "format" any flash cards I have ever bought before using them, except a couple old CF cards for my SLR camera.

I got a sandisk 8gb microsdhc myself - and it works great...
(except when one morning I wake up and find out that all the data's gone, and had to recover it with GetDataBack)

I'm no SDHC expert (I've only had 1 for 2 weeks) but I ran into some problems myself...
1) If you're running Win XP on your desktop, you'll need to download the hotfix for SDHC support here (I don't use Vista so I'm not sure if it supports SDHC natively)
2) The card reader I have connected to my PC wouldn't read SDHC cards but the USB reader that came with my SanDisk 8GB MicroSDHC card does work. Make sure the adapter you're using to connect to the PC supports SDHC.
3) Sounds stupid but make sure you're pushing the card all the way into your phone. You should feel some spring pressure and then hear a 'click' as it locks into place. You push it in and it springs out to remove it. I have pretty big fingers and I didn't insert mine all the way the first time. I still have to use something small (the back end of the stylus) to fully insert my SDHC card.
---OR---
You may have a faulty card

mine work!!
s0undw4v3 said:
I got a sandisk 8gb microsdhc myself - and it works great...
(except when one morning I wake up and find out that all the data's gone, and had to recover it with GetDataBack)
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well..... i got the same MC sandick an dno problems witing...

Here is the WinXP SDHC Update if you don't want to d/l it from the MS Site.

I have a 8GB SDHC Sandisk. I formated as FAT32 winXP SP2 updated and it works perfect on my tytn II and as a pendrive (with the usb adapter included)

thanx for the help guys but i think i have a bad card...

sorry if you've got a bad card . i scored mine (8gb - sandisk microsdhc) off ebay for $45.00. works flawlessly!

I have just copied all of the contents of my 4gb card onto a new 8gb card, no problems so far, but when I put it back into my Kaiser, the volume only shows as a 4 gb, with 1 gb free, which are he details of the old card, any help greatly appreciated
thanks
Trev

[Q] Question on Sandisk Ultra Class-10 64GB microSDXC

I have some questions to pose regarding the Sandisk Ultra 64GB Class 10 microSDXC.
I bought it about a month ago, and when i first put it into my Samsung Galaxy S4 GT-I9505, it didn't read anywhere near 64GB. Hence, i formatted the new microSD with Samsung's format option, and it showed 59.48GB. Worked perfectly from there.
However, i find the default file system of the microSD card really slow in transferring files when i connect my phone to the PC via USB, with the microSD mounted on my phone. I have a Kingston microSD reader, so i used it to connect my microSD to the PC, and tried to wipe and format it to FAT32. After doing so, the storage size became like 27GB. Is there a way to make my microSD running FAT32 system and get it to work on both my PC and phone without any problems with the size?
Anyway, i formatted the microSD again with Samsung's format option, and it went back to normal 59.48GB. However, i used my microSD reader to connect it to the PC, and it couldn't read the microSD card. It prompts me to format it. Is it because my microSD reader does not work with microSDHX cards? Or is it because my Windows PC cannot read the microSD's file system?
Hope someone has an answer, thanks.
P.S I posted this as a reply to an old thread, but realised it was in the Galaxy S3 forum, so i figured i'll post it here.

So you could use the memory card in your card reader after formatting the card as FAT32?
What OS are you running on your PC? If it's Windows XP, support for exFAT needs to be added. You can find more on this here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/955704

Same problem here.samsung micro sdhc 64gb card with windows 7 and 8.my computer only recognises my card after formating on windows and the storage size goes down to only 30.5 GB.any solution?
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paradise220 said:
Same problem here.samsung micro sdhc 64gb card with windows 7 and 8.my computer only recognises my card after formating on windows and the storage size goes down to only 30.5 GB.any solution?
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Format it as ExFat from PC link ...

paradise220 said:
Same problem here.samsung micro sdhc 64gb card with windows 7 and 8.my computer only recognises my card after formating on windows and the storage size goes down to only 30.5 GB.any solution?
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Make a low level format.
utilities for that can be found on google..

worktorest said:
I have some questions to pose regarding the Sandisk Ultra 64GB Class 10 microSDXC.
I bought it about a month ago, and when i first put it into my Samsung Galaxy S4 GT-I9505, it didn't read anywhere near 64GB. Hence, i formatted the new microSD with Samsung's format option, and it showed 59.48GB. Worked perfectly from there.
However, i find the default file system of the microSD card really slow in transferring files when i connect my phone to the PC via USB, with the microSD mounted on my phone. I have a Kingston microSD reader, so i used it to connect my microSD to the PC, and tried to wipe and format it to FAT32. After doing so, the storage size became like 27GB. Is there a way to make my microSD running FAT32 system and get it to work on both my PC and phone without any problems with the size?
Anyway, i formatted the microSD again with Samsung's format option, and it went back to normal 59.48GB. However, i used my microSD reader to connect it to the PC, and it couldn't read the microSD card. It prompts me to format it. Is it because my microSD reader does not work with microSDHX cards? Or is it because my Windows PC cannot read the microSD's file system?
Hope someone has an answer, thanks.
P.S I posted this as a reply to an old thread, but realised it was in the Galaxy S3 forum, so i figured i'll post it here.
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use a program such as H2testw to see if your microsd card is fake or defective . You can get it from here or google it .

paradise220 said:
Same problem here.samsung micro sdhc 64gb card with windows 7 and 8.my computer only recognises my card after formating on windows and the storage size goes down to only 30.5 GB.any solution?
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I found the solution. The Kingston USB reader that i used is actually not compatible with my Sandisk MicroSDXC. That's the reason it couldn't read my microSD when i connected it to the PC. I used the SD card adapter that came with the microSD on a newer laptop which has the port, and it read my card perfectly.
Anyway, i ended up putting my microSD back to my phone and formatting it using the Samsung option. Then, i used a program to format the microSD to FAT32, which i don't think is actually necessary as there wasn't any reading/writing speed difference when it came to transferring files.
Cheers.

Micro SDHC 64GB 10 Series
I wonder if someone can help me.
I purchased a Micro SDHC 64GB 10 Series memory card on Ebay - Brand new.
When I opened the packaging, the card first asked me to format the card fr use. At first, The SDHC card worked fine.
But now when I attempt to use it via laptop, The SDHC card doesn't show up on "My Computer"
It's like the card isn't reading at all..
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
Using Official Windows 8
Using Multi-Card Reader - SDHC support

CaptainPorkie23 said:
I wonder if someone can help me.
I purchased a Micro SDHC 64GB 10 Series memory card on Ebay - Brand new.
When I opened the packaging, the card first asked me to format the card fr use. At first, The SDHC card worked fine.
But now when I attempt to use it via laptop, The SDHC card doesn't show up on "My Computer"
It's like the card isn't reading at all..
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
Using Official Windows 8
Using Multi-Card Reader - SDHC support
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I've been playing with Windows since Android's grandfather was a tadpole, so in a combination of research and personal expertise I present the following advice...
DO NOT install a SD of a Class other than what is listed in our phone's Hardware Compatibility List - they being a Class 10 MicroSD, MicroSDHC and MicroSDXC - beyond that of 32GB, as you're only looking for trouble. Sometimes bigger is not necessarily better - just ask the people who knew the man that ate himself to death. NAND technologies are getting better by the day, but unfortunately devices grow increasingly incompatible with newer variants of MicroSD's simply because of the changes made within the firmware of the NAND controller. By changing Class outside of the scope of our phone's capability, problems can arise. Kind of like having a PC and trying to use a SATA-M drive on it. Unless you've got the physical hardware and device drivers installed, you can't expect it to work properly, same as throwing a SATA3 drive on a SATA2 port and expecting it to transfer data at over 3Gbps. If you find you are so desperate that you just can't do without having a 64GB card installed, go to eBay and grab yourself a Genuine Samsung 64GB 'Evo' Class 10 MicroSDXC. They are the fastest and highest capacity MicroSD our device will be friendly with (due to NAND controller compatibility) and at the moment they're going for good prices. Once you get it, Format the thing on your phone first, according to Samsung's instructions for installing the card. You'll then have a bit less than 60GB of storage space, along with Samsung backup if something does go wrong, simply because you're running a Samsung card in a Samsung phone. Trust me, its a great combination, proven by the fact my Samsung laptop runs like a dream on the Samsung 840Pro series SSD it has in it's belly...

djshotty said:
I've been playing with Windows since Android's grandfather was a tadpole, so in a combination of research and personal expertise I present the following advice...
DO NOT install a SD of a Class other than what is listed in our phone's Hardware Compatibility List - they being a Class 10 MicroSD, MicroSDHC and MicroSDXC - beyond that of 32GB, as you're only looking for trouble. Sometimes bigger is not necessarily better - just ask the people who knew the man that ate himself to death. NAND technologies are getting better by the day, but unfortunately devices grow increasingly incompatible with newer variants of MicroSD's simply because of the changes made within the firmware of the NAND controller. By changing Class outside of the scope of our phone's capability, problems can arise. Kind of like having a PC and trying to use a SATA-M drive on it. Unless you've got the physical hardware and device drivers installed, you can't expect it to work properly, same as throwing a SATA3 drive on a SATA2 port and expecting it to transfer data at over 3Gbps. If you find you are so desperate that you just can't do without having a 64GB card installed, go to eBay and grab yourself a Genuine Samsung 64GB 'Evo' Class 10 MicroSDXC. They are the fastest and highest capacity MicroSD our device will be friendly with (due to NAND controller compatibility) and at the moment they're going for good prices. Once you get it, Format the thing on your phone first, according to Samsung's instructions for installing the card. You'll then have a bit less than 60GB of storage space, along with Samsung backup if something does go wrong, simply because you're running a Samsung card in a Samsung phone. Trust me, its a great combination, proven by the fact my Samsung laptop runs like a dream on the Samsung 840Pro series SSD it has in it's belly...
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Good advice but I guess I'm just glad my 64gb card has been serving me well. [emoji41]