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Is trinity 4 GB miniSDHC compliant?

I read in several forums that the new mini sdHC cards can be read only on mini sd 2.0 compliant phones.
Is that the case for the trinity?

There is a dll on the device called sdhc_....dll
It look likes there is support voor sdhc.
I don't have a sdhc card. I can't confirm it is working.

I have a 4GB Mini SDHC Card by Transcend (www.transcend.de). Until now I don't get it to work. I bought a HAMA 1000&1 Card-Reader, but it is not able to format the Card. So I brought it back to the store. There I could format the Card with a new digital camera by panasonic. The 4 GB MiniSDHC worked well in that camera. Back in my Trinity P3600 nothing happens. I tried Pocket Mechanic and SK Tools and Resco, but the Card is not visible. In the Registry I found SDHC mentioned. But it doesn't work. Any ideas?

Checkisout
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=284628

I was about to order the Transcend too, anybody got it to work with the Trinity?

moooo said:
I have a 4GB Mini SDHC Card by Transcend (www.transcend.de). Until now I don't get it to work. I bought a HAMA 1000&1 Card-Reader, but it is not able to format the Card. So I brought it back to the store. There I could format the Card with a new digital camera by panasonic. The 4 GB MiniSDHC worked well in that camera. Back in my Trinity P3600 nothing happens. I tried Pocket Mechanic and SK Tools and Resco, but the Card is not visible. In the Registry I found SDHC mentioned. But it doesn't work. Any ideas?
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Uh oh, I just ordered one in the US for $66. from newegg.com, which is a good price, but only if it works! The 4gb mini SD from Moby Memory is generic with no label. I wonder if it is really SDHC???? I am fairly confident though that the Trinity will support the SDHC 4gb mini SD soon through ROM upgrade, if it doesn't already. It has entries for them in the registry already. Otherwise I guess I'll have to get the other card .

Confirming...Transcend 4 GB miniSDHC not recognized in Trinity yet.
Matterhorn said:
Uh oh, I just ordered one in the US for $66. from newegg.com, which is a good price, but only if it works! The 4gb mini SD from Moby Memory is generic with no label. I wonder if it is really SDHC???? I am fairly confident though that the Trinity will support the SDHC 4gb mini SD soon through ROM upgrade, if it doesn't already. It has entries for them in the registry already. Otherwise I guess I'll have to get the other card .
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I purchased a 4 GB Transcend miniSDHC card, upon reading & then seeing that some SDHC parameters were in Trinity registry. However, the card is NOT recognized yet by my new Trinity.
After trying various registry changes in the SDHC area, I still could not make it read the card. I did succeed in making a ver 1 miniSD card unreadable with those SDHC reg changes though, which means maybe we're on the right track. This also tells me that most likely, a compatible device will work for either miniSD or miniSDHC, but not both at the same time. Maybe a registry wizard here will find a way to make Trinity see the miniSDHC cards.
HTC says officially that Trinity with WM5 can accept up to 12 GB miniSD, without mentioning miniSDHC. It seems reasonable HTC may enable SDHC & GPS in the future. However, keep in mind, HTC has not even fixed BT stereo in the Trinity ROM, so we continue to wait & hope.
In the world of miniSD cards, there is ver 1 miniSD standard. (Sandisk is original inventor of flash memory & helps develop International standards) The max miniSD ver 1 standard is actually 2 GB officially.
There are UNOFFICIAL 4 GB miniSD cards, based on ver 1 standard, but NOT accepted as ver 1 standard produced cards, that exist & carry 4 GB miniSD working formatted memory. There are also FALSE 4 GB miniSD cards, that have been re-stamped as 4 GB, but orginally were 2 GB miniSD. Then, they were reformatted for 4 GB, but that process corrupts the memory. Depending on the device, the false miniSD cards either give incorrect readings or corrupt when used with a read-write process. Some apparently work a short time but then corrupt after normal repeated read-write device process use.
The new miniSD ver 2 standard is called miniSDHC. These will be capable of memory 4 GB up to 32 GB. The first miniSDHC & SDHC cards are just now being made available. (coming 2007) Ver 2 miniSDHC is NOT backwards compatible with ver 1 miniSD devices, except in some rare cases where a device firmware upgrade may apply. The 4 GB miniSDHC ver 2 standard, is the only official real 4 GB miniSD card & most current devices can't use it.
The 4 GB miniSD cards sold at Mobymemory (UK) & ebay are either the UNOFFICIAL 4 GB miniSDs or FALSE 4 GB miniSDs mentioned above. One member here claims that a 4 GB miniSD from Moby works in a Trinity, but you can be assured, it's not a real 4 GB miniSDHC ver 2 standard card.
Engadget iMobile article - Transcend's 4GB miniSDHC announced, but no place to go:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/11/24/transcends-4gb-minisdhc-announced-but-no-place-to-go/
Sandisk SDHC Compatibility listing & info:
http://www.sandisk.com/Products/ProductInfo.aspx?ID=1982
Sandisk SDHC miniSDHC technical info:
http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1441
Sandisk News Release miniSDHC for Mobile Phones:
http://www.sandisk.com/Corporate/PressRoom/PressReleases/PressRelease.aspx?ID=3530

Thanks so much for all that info. That is exactly the reason that I didn't order the Moby Memory, I was pretty sure that it wasn't the official SDHC card. I hope that the new ROM from Dopod fixes the SDHC. Early adopters have all the fun

Just got the Transcend 4gb. Can't see it. Has anyone been able to get this card to work in a Trinity?

Transcend 4 GB miniSDHC NOT working for Trinity
Baxter said:
Just got the Transcend 4gb. Can't see it. Has anyone been able to get this card to work in a Trinity?
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Read the above posts about compatibility. If you have the Transcend 4 GB miniSDHC, that card will NOT work in the Trinity. There is NO confirmation from HTC that a miniSDHC (ver.2.0) will work with a firmware upgrade in the future. Even though the miniSDHC fits in the Trinity slot, it may need different slot hardware to read it. Let's hope the SD controller already there in Trinity can support a firmware upgrade.
If you look around you may be able to find a 4 GB miniSD (Industry Standard version 1.0). Most of the ones on ebay & Amazon are fake though. When I find a confirmed source for a 4 GB miniSD (ver.1.0), I'll post it here.

I have read them and I understand. I only asked because from the previous posts, it wasn't clear whether or not the Trinity can read the MiniSDHC v2.0 cards.

according to the HTC site the maximum size of the mini-SD card for the Trinity is 12GB.. though who really knows for sure
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=29
Support: HTC P3600
What is the maximum SD card size compatible with my device?
For Win CE 2003 =>General for SDIO is 1GB.
For WM 5.0 => SD Card is 4GB and Mini-SD is 12GB

export800 said:
according to the HTC site the maximum size of the mini-SD card for the Trinity is 12GB.. though who really knows for sure
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=29
Support: HTC P3600
What is the maximum SD card size compatible with my device?
For Win CE 2003 =>General for SDIO is 1GB.
For WM 5.0 => SD Card is 4GB and Mini-SD is 12GB
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Well, someone knows for sure, the guys writing the firmware ROMs. I suspect it is just a matter of time before a ROM update comes along that will allow the use of SDHC cards since the entries are already in the current ROM.

Ordering a 2gb v1 card. The way prices are...

More on SDHC & Trinity
export800 said: "according to the HTC site the maximum size of the mini-SD card
for the Trinity is 12GB.. though who really knows for sure
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=29
Support: HTC P3600
What is the maximum SD card size compatible with my device?
For Win CE 2003 =>General for SDIO is 1GB.
For WM 5.0 => SD Card is 4GB and Mini-SD is 12GB"
Matterhorn said: "Well, someone knows for sure, the guys writing the firmware ROMs. I
suspect it is just a matter of time before a ROM update comes along that will allow the use
of SDHC cards since the entries are already in the current ROM."
1. Notice that almost ALL phones on HTC site say the same thing about SD & miniSD limit. It is based on WM5 & WinCE2003 specs, which HTC phones use, a generalization.
2. IF HTC has SD controller hardware (memory slot interface) in Trinity, that can be enabled by a firmware upgrade to recognize & read SDHC, then as Matterhorn said, we should get a ROM upgrade to make this possible.(nobody knows & not confirmed by HTC, but we can
hope.)
If HTC doesn't have the SD controller that's amendable to firmware upgrade, then a new hardware build of Trinity would have to be released.
3. It's interesting that Trinity registry entries exist for SDHC, but it's still a mystery for now. Also, there are supposedly 4 GB miniSD cards (based on Industry Standard 1.0 or non-compliant) that exist, but I'm not able to confirm one that is genuine & safe to use
in Trinity yet. (if someone is, please give details)
4. Good news...bad news---
good-4 GB SDHC can use fat32, is faster than old regular ver 1.0 or 1.1 Standard----
bad-reportedly, the new SDHC cards will be 3X cost of the regular ones.
5. Compatibility
* SDHC Host Products can use both SD and SDHC Memory Cards.
* SD Host Products can use only SD Memory Card 2GB or less.
Is Trinity a SDHC host product or SD host product? THE BIG QUESTION (no SDHC logo on box)
The new SD format, SDHC (Secure Digital High Capacity), allows capacities in excess of 2GB (4GB to 32GB)[2]. SDHC USES THE SAME FORM FACTOR as SD, but the SD 2.0 standard in SDHC uses a different memory addressing method (sector addressing vs byte addressing).
6. Feeling Confused? Here's why:
The following compatibility issues between SD and SDHC cards and devices can arise:
Devices that do not specifically support SD2.0/SDHC do not recognize SDHC memory cards.
Some manufacturers have produced 4GB SD cards that do not conform to the SD2.0/SDHC, which are incompatible with existing SD devices, and are also incompatible with SDHC devices. As of late 2006, the simultaneous availability of non-standard 4GB SD and 4GB SDHC cards,
and the incompatibilities between SD and SDHC have caused a great deal of confusion among consumers looking to buy memory for various devices.
4GB SDHC cards can only work with SDHC compatible host devices. The SDHC logo is supposed to ensure compatibility.
SDHC readers and other devices are supposed to be backwards compatible with SD cards.
SDHC cards have SD Speed Class Ratings defined by the SD Association. The SD Speed Class
Ratings specify the following minimum sustained write speed for SDHC cards: Class 2: 2 MB/s, Class 4: 4 MB/s
Class 6: 6 MB/s.
The SD 2.0 (SDHC) specification is with access speed up to 20MB/sec. The maximum capacity of SD card is 2GB under SD 1.1 of Secure Digital Alliance (SDA) specification; however, by using file format of FAT32, many SD 1.1 host devices can use 4GB SD card.
SD 1.0/1.1 uses traditional "Byte Addressing" scheme which limits the maximum capacity to 4GB while SD 2.0 adopts "Sector Addressing" scheme which is the same with the technique applied by Mu-Card Alliance in 2004 to reach the maximum capacity of 2TB (2048GB). SDHC
cards can only work with SDHC compatible host devices.
7. SD and SDHC - compatibility---In summary:
The new SD format, SDHC (Secure Digital High Capacity), allows capacities in excess of 2GB (4GB to 32GB). SDHC uses the same form factor as SD, but compatibility is not complete in either direction. The SD 2.0 standard in SDHC uses a different memory addressing method
(sector addressing vs byte addressing), causing devices that do not specifically support SD 2.0 / SDHC to fail to recognize the memory cards. Making the issue more confusing is the fact that some manufacturers have produced SEMI-NONSTANDARD 4GB SD cards. These cards are incompatible with SD devices that don't support the larger formats, and are also incompatible with many SDHC devices, because they don't conform to the SD 2.0 spec for High Capacity memory cards. As of late 2006, the simultaneous availability of non-standards 4GB
SD and 4GB SDHC cards, and the incompatibilities between SD and SDHC have caused a great deal of confusion among consumers looking to buy memory for various devices.
References,
SD Card Association: http://www.sdcard.org/WhatsNew.aspx
SD World Portal Website: http://www.sdcard.com/

You little Devil ...came up with good info.
My observation is that the 4gb mini SD cards sold by Moby Memory must be FAT32 formatted normal SD standard. Several people have reported that they work fine in the Trinity. I currently use a 4gb "SD" card in my Prophet that has worked perfectly for a year now. It is formatted as FAT 32 and I have reformatted it using Windows XP with no problems. I did buy a Transcend SDHC 4gb mini SD card for $66. in the US (pretty cheap), but I won't see it until I arrive at my holiday destination. I guess I can be sure that it won't work in my Trinity (that's waiting for me also). So unless they come up with a ROM upgrade soon that fixes this SDHC compatibility problem, I'm going to order one of those Moby mini sds. I need 4gb for all my GPS maps and music, pictures etc.

Lets compare the htc p3600 spec sheet and the htc p4350 :
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_p4350.htm
HTC says that it's SD 2.0 compliant
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_p3600.htm
HTC doesn't say anything

work miniSDHC wizard 9100 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1963379&postcount=2

8 GB on Universal

There are now SDHC cards of 8 GB.
Universal does not support SDHC cards.
BUT... there are many adapters that transform SDHC card into a SD card.
Those are cards of SD size. You insert SDHC cards into them.
Did someone try to use 8 GB sdhc cards on Universal with such an adapter?

legion1911 said:
There are now SDHC cards of 8 GB.
Universal does not support SDHC cards.
BUT... there are many adapters that transform SDHC card into a SD card.
Those are cards of SD size. You insert SDHC cards into them.
Did someone try to use 8 GB sdhc cards on Universal with such an adapter?
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I read somewhere in the Qtek Manual that the MAXIMUM Storage Card size the Universal will support is 6GB. I am unsure what will happen if you squeeze an 8GB card into it. Maybe it would:
1. Not detect any card at all
or
2. Will only indicate a 6GB card, despite the fact that you plugged an 8GB one
Whatever the case, I am pretty sure that there is an OS workaround to this issue (if it really is an issue). Maybe WM6 has already addressed this limitation, you never know. Maybe all that you need to do is format the Storage Card to a FAT32 media format, instead of the default FAT16 most cards come in.

Given that SDHC cards are the same size as SD cards, how exactly would it fit into an adapter, and then into the uni?!?!?

There are mini SDHC cards which fit the 2.0 standard but with such adapter I think you'll just get a normal SDHC card..

captainsensible2002 said:
Given that SDHC cards are the same size as SD cards, how exactly would it fit into an adapter, and then into the uni?!?!?
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Yes I am interested in this as well, how can a card that is the same size as the convertor card fit!!!
I have a 4 GB SDHC card (DANE-ELEC) that I bought from Expansys and it works in nothing, no computers, cameras PDA or anything......... What are they supposed to work in?
And if there is and adapter that works please provide a link!!!!

seal said:
Yes I am interested in this as well, how can a card that is the same size as the convertor card fit!!!
I have a 4 GB SDHC card (DANE-ELEC) that I bought from Expansys and it works in nothing, no computers, cameras PDA or anything......... What are they supposed to work in?
And if there is and adapter that works please provide a link!!!!
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This is always the problem with new technologies in which the Buyer Beware principle applies. The SDHC cards are out there, but the readers for those cards are not yet as pervasive and mainstream as the previous generation ones.
This is a critical flaw in the SDHC technological evolution. They basically produced a half-solution (for me its a half-assed solution) which should have never been implemented. Here is the half-assed solution:
- SDHC readers are backwards compatible and can read traditional SD as well as SDHC cards.
- SDHC cards ARE NOT backwards compatibe with traditional SD readers and will only wrk with SDHC readers.
It is the above problem that has got consumers at large, you included, absolutely furious for not making things clearer. So - if you are an SDHC card holder, and are desperate to use it, well .... there is no choice for you to wait for the SDHC readers to be present in the devices you wish to use SDHC cards in.

legion1911 said:
There are now SDHC cards of 8 GB.
Universal does not support SDHC cards.
BUT... there are many adapters that transform SDHC card into a SD card.
Those are cards of SD size. You insert SDHC cards into them.
Did someone try to use 8 GB sdhc cards on Universal with such an adapter?
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How support for Universal ?

Guys, received a review sample of a Transcend 8GB SDHC card today and it doesn't work. The Universal just won't detect a Storage Card.
The same goes for ALL other Windows Mobile devices with SD slot at this moment.
Even readers must be special SDHC ones. I have one of those and the PC can work with the card.

This is not going to help, but I have a Transcend 4GB SDHC card, and it's hopeless too, doesn't work in the Universal.

richardlai said:
This is not going to help, but I have a Transcend 4GB SDHC card, and it's hopeless too, doesn't work in the Universal.
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For that you'll need Transcend's NORMAL 4GB SD card. They have a regular one and a 150x (access speed) one.
I have the latter and it works great for almost a year now.

great~~~~ i like this~

RE
Yes, TRANSCEND 4GB SD card 150x works great on my set too

Pretec 133x Cheetah 4 GB card works on my Universal, too:
http://www.dealtime.co.uk/xPF-Pretec-SHM04G
I was using it in my MDA Compact (HTC Magician) and it was working ok, too. I had to use cNET Flash format to access 4GB, though.
It would be cool if anyone could come up with a solution that would enable the Universal to read SDHC cards. I'm sure a new driver would solve this as the hardware is exactly the same.
Michal

what if you use a micro to SD adaptor with an 8 gig micro SD??
anyone ever try this?
my buddies 2 gig works in the adaptor.

JayRayMee.NL said:
For that you'll need Transcend's NORMAL 4GB SD card. They have a regular one and a 150x (access speed) one.
I have the latter and it works great for almost a year now.
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Must reiterate this point... I have one too, and it works great, no problems at all, and fast!
Hopefully this page will answer these neverending SDHC questions... "the SD 2.0 standard in SDHC uses a different memory addressing method (sector addressing vs byte addressing[9]). 4GB SDHC cards can only work with SDHC compatible host devices."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card (Scroll down to SDHC).
As far as I can tell, SDHC requires different HARDWARE to run, think it's down to the motherboard level and maybe even the slot itself.

yeah, interestingly my buddies 2 gig micro sd card is sdhc.
and it worked.. i don't actually know if there are 8 gig micro sd.. and MAN those cards are small!

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"what if you use a micro to SD adaptor with an 8 gig micro SD??
anyone ever try this?
my buddies 2 gig works in the adaptor"
What brand of micro SDHC card are you using?

It's San Disk

SDHC Class 4 sd works with universal.

hi i have tested 1 gig toshiba sdhc(class4) memory with my universal(wm6) and it worked perfectly.

1. which rom are you using?
2. have you tried more than 4g sdhc?
3. have you tried it with other devices?
4. are you positively sure its sdhc?

i am using a rom from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305512
i only tried 1gig toshiba sdhc class 4 i and i am sure it was sdhc

onlineemails said:
i am using a rom from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305512
i only tried 1gig toshiba sdhc class 4 i and i am sure it was sdhc
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Please post the exact model of the SDHC card. I am willing to bet that the SD card is what is pretty sophisticated since it was built to be both SD v1.1 as well as SD v2.0 compliant.
FYI: 1GB is not exactly "High Capacity".

i told you it was toshiba 1 gig sdhc class 4,it was my friends and i just test it for 2 min and copied a file to card.

I agree though, it's called sdHC for High Capacity, and it's usually starts at 4GB to 8GB, but I'm not saying that you're lying or anything ok, just my 2 cents

SDHC Cards (SD V2) start at 4GB, use a FAT32 default file system and require block mode addressing (512 byte blocks). Rather then the byte addressing used by classic SD/MMC cards.
In essence that means you CAN'T get a 1GB SDHC card within the specification and there would be no point making such a card as SDHC devices support the full command set of SD1 as a subset so SD cards will work fine on SDHC capable devices.
I will do a little testing with my SDHC cards tonight if I get a chance (a few 4GB's and an 8GB) but I seem to recall they don't work (at least on older ROM's) and people need to remember that the hardware drivers we have on the Universal Mobile 6 ROM's are just taken from the 5 ROM's in the most part.
There are a few hardware reasons that could stop it working but I would assume the SD controller used is flexible enough for that not to be an issue. The driver in the ROM will also need to support block mode addressing (the framework in the underlying WinCE OS can support it if the driver does). This biggest issue here is that we have no easy way to write a driver for WinCE and no underlaying detail about the SD controller.
Note: While my knowledge of SD/SDHC may not be complete (in fact I know its not ) I have written a working SDHC hardware driver for an ARM Linux device from scratch.

onlineemails said:
i told you it was toshiba 1 gig sdhc class 4,it was my friends and i just test it for 2 min and copied a file to card.
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Umm .... you did not understand me. But I guess I should have been more clearer. By model I mean product tag / part number:
For example, "SD-F01G" is a High Speed (Class 6) 1GB Standard SD Card (non-SDHC).
http://www.toshiba.com/taec/Catalog/Line.do?familyid=7&lineid=7230
This part number will be clearly labelled on the info sheet that came with the card. I do not know if your friend will actually keep this sheet.

8GB Card Not Recognized in Computer

Greets,
I went to my local Verizon store and picked up an 8GB Sandisk MicroSD Card.
The card is recognized by the phone as having 7.7GB free, but when I plug it into my Belkin 15-in-1 reader (via an adapter) to load it up, the Belkin/Computer doesn't see it.
This may be because its SDHC but I can't find ANYTHING out there on this.
Any ideas?
Anyone have a reader they use which has worked with the 8GB SDCH MicroSD in adapter?
Thanks!

I do not own a SDHC card (yet) but I'm pretty sure that the problem is due to your belkin not supporting SDHC.
See the review at the bottom of this page: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-15-1-Microdrive-MMCmobile/dp/B000CDITCQ

Yeah its that 15 and 1 thingy. I bought a 4GB Micro SD card through amazon last week and it came with this.
http://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-Micro...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1196630057&sr=1-1
That should be able to read a 8GB sd card also.

No good ... but all is well
The 15-in-1 doesn't even flash when the card is put in (but flashes fine with my old 512MB).
No biggie - I copied the 512MB to the hard drive, and used EXPLORE in ActiveSync to fill the 8GB (which is now down to 5.3 ... tee hee).
Thanks

SDHC
By reading this thread am I right in understanding that the TyTNII CAN read SDHC? I couldn't find any reference to SDHC in the manual so I thought 2Gb was my limit!
Regards
Andrew

AndrewGlassby said:
By reading this thread am I right in understanding that the TyTNII CAN read SDHC? I couldn't find any reference to SDHC in the manual so I thought 2Gb was my limit!
Regards
Andrew
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Yes...the TYTNII accepts SDHC and the Sandisk 8GB card works flawlessly in the device.

AndrewGlassby said:
By reading this thread am I right in understanding that the TyTNII CAN read SDHC? I couldn't find any reference to SDHC in the manual so I thought 2Gb was my limit!
Regards
Andrew
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it will state SDHC or version 2.0 compliant.
kms

Hotfix for Windows XP that adds support for SDHC cards that have a capacity of more than 4 GB
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934428
EDIT: It appears MSFT has hidden this hotfix from the public. (Thanks, guys.) Here's some details:
http://www.digitmemo.com/articles/219/adding-sdhc-support-for-windows-with-your-old-sd-card-reader/
EDIT2: And for Windows XP English users: http://thehotfixshare.net/board/index.php?automodule=downloads&showfile=1079
EDIT3: For whatever reason, this hotfix has no impact on my inability to read the card via my laptop's built-in card reader. I have a Fujitsu Lifebook Tablet. I have yet to look for drivers on the Fujitsu side.

The drive iteself has to be SDHC compliant, you can load WinXP driers all day and it will never read the card because the drive built into your tablet (or the 15-in-1 as mentioned above) is not SDHC compliant. Just like when they came out with SDIO for mobile devices, you had to had a SD drive in your mobile that was SDIO complaint, if not, you can't use SDIO.
Best bet is to buy the SDHC reader on amazon as mentioned above. Also, this is why all new SDHC cards (by Sandisk) are being sold with card readers.

Then why, as previous posters have stated, are non SDHC complaint drives able to be upgraded? AFAIK, the only reason why SDHC would NOT be supported is because it uses different memory calls. I assume that a new driver would be all that's needed. I don't see why it would be a hardware issue.

I've got 4 card readers, 3 bought prior to SDHC and 1 SDHC (that came with the card). The 3 readers (using WinXP) will not read my 6 gig SDHC card, it seems to be doing something, then craps out. The reader that came with the 6gig card, works like a charm everytime and all 4 are using winxp generic drivers for removable drives, nothing special about the drivers. If I put the same card into my Tilt and and access it via file explorer on the PC, I can read/write all day. Also, the same results on Vista PC.
EDIT: Vista results were slightly different, none of the 4 readers would read/write to the SDHC card. hmmm...

I just thought of something that may support the driver theory. If the card reader is embedded into a laptop or pc then maybe the manufactuer actually put hardware that was upgradeable to SDHC by means of a driver. Then of course the driver update makes sense.
Now, if it is a driver that's all that's needed, I would be a happy camper because I could use my favorite reader again and not have to carry 2 readers.

SD question

Hello, I'm just curios does this device has 2 SDIO card readers?
Does it supports 2 SDHC cards? I would think to buy one if it supposely can read 2x32gb SDHC cards
Thank you

Yes, 8Gb precisely supports.

what do you mean? nothing more than 8gb?

32Gb
Sorry for misunderstanding - I mean that it supports at least 8Gb (currently I have this card installed); and 32Gb SDHC should be supported as well. I didn't try, but you can check that in manuals which are feely available thruout internet.
Regards,
Soloserge.

spasibo

64GB of memory cards in Sedna
Hi -- Yes, I'm running my Sedna with 2 32GB Sd cards for a total of 64GB of flash memory (plus the 1GB NAND Flash). It _generally_ works great. But I've occasionally (just 3-4 times in my year of owning the phone) had problems with a card becoming corrupted: some directory and file names become scrambled and some files become inaccessible. Sometimes this can be fixed just by soft resetting the phone; sometimes, it seems to require reformatting the card. I've called HTC support on this; they say that the phone doesn't officially support cards of this size and won't offer any more help. It's possible that the problem is associated with my use of Softick's Card Export II software (for accessing the SD cards as hard drives via a connected computer). But I'm not sure. Regardless, the 32GB cards generally work great.
For me, the possibility of 64GB of memory is really the only reason to buy a Sedna! There are other phones with slicker interfaces, faster processors, better screens, and sexier form factors. But none of them will carry this much memory!
Alan