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4 GB 150X SD Card tried on O2 ?

I am about to buy a 4 GB 150x Class 2 SDHC Secure Digital Card for my recently bought O2 Neo handset. I would like to know if anyone has tried this earlier and knows if it works.
Umesh
O2 Neo

i have a-data 4gb turbo sd 150x and it works well

Thanks Speeed. Do you know if that is a Class 2 SDHC. I remember reading some post here which said a SDHC 2.0 format might not be compatible with HTC Prophet.

is SDHC working in a prophet?
Hey Umesh, I do have exactly the same question. I already have a 1 GB SD card. But now I need to upgrade and I am wondering if I can buy a SDHC class 2 or even SDHC class 6 card. Can you please post your experiences.
ADVAthanksNCE, Peter

umesh said:
I am about to buy a 4 GB 150x Class 2 SDHC Secure Digital Card for my recently bought O2 Neo handset. I would like to know if anyone has tried this earlier and knows if it works.
Umesh
O2 Neo
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I have the Transcend 150x 4gb SD working in my Prophet for almost a year. The only issue is one that applies to all SD cards and not just the 4gb, that is today plugins sometimes don't like to be on the SD card, otherwise everything works perfectly. It seems to me I remember at the time I bought my 4gb SD card there were some models that had issues with the Prophet. I guess you could just get one of the cards that has already been proven to be compatible.

transcend card
I also have a 4gB transcend card that works perfectly....

gujjuman said:
I also have a 4gB transcend card that works perfectly....
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You can order one here, they have others for sale too, but you might want to get one that works for sure.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820163159

Topram 4Gb
I have a Topram 4Gb 150x sd card and have had no problems. I got it from Ebay.
please note it uses SD 1.1, which is the maximum the Prophet supports.
check it out here:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TOPRAM-150X-4...ryZ18871QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Hi,
I have a samsung oem 4go 150x, bought on ebay from fastmemoryman, and it is also working perfectly on my prophet.

Topram and Soho failed. Still looking for a good 4GB card!
Hello guys,
Here's my experience with 4GB SD card dilemma using a Qtek s200:
1) Topram 150X:
*Works ok till 2GB but data written beyond 2GB can not read back.
*Surprisingly there's no error after chkdsk, xp-scan.
*No error when writing beyond 2GB but data is not really written.
*Original content of the sectors do not change at all.
*Deep analysis under WinHex states defect starting at sector #3964927 of about 8 million sectors.
* FAT16 and FAT32 all formatting combinations possible on Qtek as well as XP which is surprising. No error using Panasonic SD Formatter as well. This card doest not react to any write operation, even if it fails !!!
SOLUTION: Created a 2GB partition using WM5torage + XP and bypass defected area.
2) SOHO 150X:
*Looks horrible with 5th class sticker misaligned.
*Comes with 90MB of defected sectors already marked bad in FAT.
*Healty reformatting impossible.
*All sectors beyond 1GB are unreadable & unwritable.
SOLUTION: Sent it back to the seller.
QUESTION TO ALL POSTS CLAIMING TRANSCEND & A-DATA WORKS WITH NO PROBLEM:
Of course the 4GB SD's are recognized well when insterted in Prophet. But did you go beyond 2GB and up to 4GB? I strongly need someone who would confirm having written full 4GB and able to read it back with no data loss !!!
I think just inserting the card and seeing 3800MB something free means NOTHING and you should load the card completely without no data loss to be sure everything is OK.
Many posts claim problem with camera not saving to card. No sense anymore, it's not related to the cards but the cam.app as the free space calculation issue is well known now.
Waiting for some good news about Trancend and A-Data which i want to try asap...

SHHC not compatible with Prophet
Not yet tried but given all the information on various sources, Prophet has no chance to recognize any SDHC card. When inserted we will probably won't see anything. Like a RAW card.
The most logical explanation is that the CSD layer of SD2.0 is organized diffently than SD1.1.
Didn't see yet any opportunity to use them with a future ROM update. The hardware limitations of the reader on prophet may be the cause.

g3k said:
Hello guys,
Here's my experience with 4GB SD card dilemma using a Qtek s200:
1) Topram 150X:
*Works ok till 2GB but data written beyond 2GB can not read back.
*Surprisingly there's no error after chkdsk, xp-scan.
*No error when writing beyond 2GB but data is not really written.
*Original content of the sectors do not change at all.
*Deep analysis under WinHex states defect starting at sector #3964927 of about 8 million sectors.
* FAT16 and FAT32 all formatting combinations possible on Qtek as well as XP which is surprising. No error using Panasonic SD Formatter as well. This card doest not react to any write operation, even if it fails !!!
SOLUTION: Created a 2GB partition using WM5torage + XP and bypass defected area.
2) SOHO 150X:
*Looks horrible with 5th class sticker misaligned.
*Comes with 90MB of defected sectors already marked bad in FAT.
*Healty reformatting impossible.
*All sectors beyond 1GB are unreadable & unwritable.
SOLUTION: Sent it back to the seller.
QUESTION TO ALL POSTS CLAIMING TRANSCEND & A-DATA WORKS WITH NO PROBLEM:
Of course the 4GB SD's are recognized well when insterted in Prophet. But did you go beyond 2GB and up to 4GB? I strongly need someone who would confirm having written full 4GB and able to read it back with no data loss !!!
I think just inserting the card and seeing 3800MB something free means NOTHING and you should load the card completely without no data loss to be sure everything is OK.
Many posts claim problem with camera not saving to card. No sense anymore, it's not related to the cards but the cam.app as the free space calculation issue is well known now.
Waiting for some good news about Trancend and A-Data which i want to try asap...
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Friend. I have been using the Transcend 4gb 150X with my prophet for almost a year and let me tell you that baby is full!!! I have my GPS maps, a few videos, some big apps, and the rest filled with as much music as I can cram into the thing. It works without any problems at all, I also specify images to be saved directly to the card with no problems. I am not the only one that has reported compatibility with the Transcend.

g3k said:
QUESTION TO ALL POSTS CLAIMING TRANSCEND & A-DATA WORKS WITH NO PROBLEM:
Of course the 4GB SD's are recognized well when insterted in Prophet. But did you go beyond 2GB and up to 4GB? I strongly need someone who would confirm having written full 4GB and able to read it back with no data loss !!!
I think just inserting the card and seeing 3800MB something free means NOTHING and you should load the card completely without no data loss to be sure everything is OK.
Many posts claim problem with camera not saving to card. No sense anymore, it's not related to the cards but the cam.app as the free space calculation issue is well known now.
Waiting for some good news about Trancend and A-Data which i want to try asap...
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I'm using 4go SD card for more than a month... it is almost full and no problem with any kind of data...
So, it work perfectly.
For those than can't save photos on SD card, this has nothing to do with the SD card format. It depends on if you've unlocked Ext rom or not. It depends also of the rom you've installed on your prophet, some home cooked rom than have native unlocked ext rom will show the same issue.

4GB SD cards on Prophet
Thanks matterhorn for making it more precise. It's very nice to hear such clear feedback.
...and Cedric, are you also talking'bout a Transcend?
I guess you both use your cards on the PC using regular card readers. 2GB and FAT32 compatibility should be enough o cope with 4GB. If the card is healty, i see no reason why a recent, non-SDHC reader would not work with 4GB SD.
I also guess you didn't have any problem using full capacity after re-formatting. Reformatting should not be a problem for a good 4GB card to become bad.
I think i'll give another try with Transcend which is a reliable company and registered to sdcard.org while SOHO and TOPRAM are not. In my language, we call them MANUFACTURERS WORKING UNDER THE STAIRS.

g3k said:
Thanks matterhorn for making it more precise. It's very nice to hear such clear feedback.
...and Cedric, are you also talking'bout a Transcend?
I guess you both use your cards on the PC using regular card readers. 2GB and FAT32 compatibility should be enough o cope with 4GB. If the card is healty, i see no reason why a recent, non-SDHC reader would not work with 4GB SD.
I also guess you didn't have any problem using full capacity after re-formatting. Reformatting should not be a problem for a good 4GB card to become bad.
I think i'll give another try with Transcend which is a reliable company and registered to sdcard.org while SOHO and TOPRAM are not. In my language, we call them MANUFACTURERS WORKING UNDER THE STAIRS.
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I use an normal SD card reader to format my card in FAT32 using XP every time I change my ROM, just to make sure there are no hidden nasties to cause problems. Newegg.com has good prices on the Transcend .
Also that tip about the unlocked extended ROM is a good one. When you can have 4gb, who cares about a few megabytes.

So can I assume to confirm the usability of a 4 GB card on my Neo -
If I slide in the 4 GB Card and it shows full memory (4 GB) as available in Memory Status --> Storage Card - that would imply that the full card is (read/write) compatible in the device?
Matterhorn, is your working 4 GB card SDHC 2.0 format ?
Practically, at best I would have only about a couple of minutes to test the 4 GB card at the store where I buy.

MDA Vario /Qtek 9100 and 4GB?

Anybody know if This PDA can support 4GB miniSD?
Thanks.

The Wizard is miniSD compatible. miniSD is derived of the SD specification that support up to 2GB memory cards. 4GB cards are SDHC compatible derived of the SDHC specification. For this reason 4GB memory cards are not compatible with the wizard neither with TyTN. I don't know any 4GB miniSD card from any fame manufacturer.
More information on this link from SanDisk:
http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/pdf/retail/SDHC1.pdf

Thanks maca2406.
But, did you try?
Anybody try it and don't work?
Thanks

ive got a 4gb sd card working with mine..i got it as a present so im not sure where it's from since it hasnt got a name on it..but it does work..

Hello EgemenBor,
Not 4GB SD but 4GB miniSD card on a MDA Vario (or Wizard, Qtek 9100, Imate K-Jam), right?
Thanks

Nope, but maybe a generic product works, look this link:
http://www.mobymemory.com/proddetail.asp?prod=miniSD_4096mb_MOBY_002
I don't trust on non branded products then I can not respond your question. but is important to know that neighter fame manufacturer has 4GB miniSD cards for sale (ex. SanDisk, Kingston, etc).

From that SanDisk article:
2. Look for SDHC logo on card and packaging itself
a. GB SD cards without SDHC logo are non-compliant with the SDA 2.00
specification.
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Notice, they say "non-compliant" and NOT "non-existent." They are obviously cow-towing to device manufacturers here, plus expecting us to foot the bill!
The problems I've heard of with these cards are:
1.) They don't last as long. (Neither did 3.5" Low-Density Floppy Disks when formatted as High-Density, but I've still got a few originals hanging around that work....) It would be great to know what proccess they were using to create these drives as opposed to the 2GB ones....
2.) The card may need to be repartitioned into 2-2GB drives. (See this thread)
please remember that just because it doesn't meet the new standard, doesn't mean it doesn't work with the older standard-devices
I, for one, am grateful there are vendors serving this sub-market, even though the major players are moving on!

Thanks Blazoner.
Anybody have a miniSD 4GB card on a Wizard, that works well?
Thanks

maca2406 said:
Nope, but maybe a generic product works, look this link:
http://www.mobymemory.com/proddetail.asp?prod=miniSD_4096mb_MOBY_002
I don't trust on non branded products then I can not respond your question. but is important to know that neighter fame manufacturer has 4GB miniSD cards for sale (ex. SanDisk, Kingston, etc).
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I have 2 mobymemory cards 2gb and 1 gb both work v well - if mobymemory say this 4gb card will work i trust them - i will most likely get one!
I have said all along that i think a 4gb mini-sd card will work in the wizard as a 4gb sd card works in a prophet and they really have v similar roms. 4gb even works in a magician and that has an even older rom.

I base myself on what SanDisk says in this link in red:
http://www.sandisk.com/Compatibility/Device(8040)-T-Mobile-MDA_Vario.aspx
T-Mobile MDA Vario
(Mobile Phones)
Maximum capacity for this device: May support up to 2GB
Please check with your device manufacturer for details.
Also, SanDisk doesn't manufacture 4GB minisd cards. I have learned to pay attention to what SanDisk says
It would be necessary to check if to use more than 2gb works ok with the Wizard with this 4gb minisd card. Unfortunately I am in America and I don't have access to mobymemory devices.

maca2406 said:
I base myself on what SanDisk says in this link in red:
http://www.sandisk.com/Compatibility/Device(8040)-T-Mobile-MDA_Vario.aspx
T-Mobile MDA Vario
(Mobile Phones)
Maximum capacity for this device: May support up to 2GB
Please check with your device manufacturer for details.
Also, SanDisk doesn't manufacture 4GB minisd cards. I have learned to pay attention to what SanDisk says
It would be necessary to check if to use more than 2gb works ok with the Wizard with this 4gb minisd card. Unfortunately I am in America and I don't have access to mobymemory devices.
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I will let you know if it works when i get one

maca2406 said:
Nope, but maybe a generic product works, look this link:
http://www.mobymemory.com/proddetail.asp?prod=miniSD_4096mb_MOBY_002
I don't trust on non branded products then I can not respond your question. but is important to know that neighter fame manufacturer has 4GB miniSD cards for sale (ex. SanDisk, Kingston, etc).
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They claim it will work:
Mobile Compatibility List: New!QTEK 9100
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Anyone any experience with these cards?

I just buy one miniSD 4GB from Transcend (55€!)... I will check and post...

turns out I have the 4gb memory card from mobymemory...last couple of days its been giving me a lot of hassle..asking me to format it which I did twice and now its stopped working the phone just does red the card...I've emailed mobymemory 5 minutes ago lets see what they reply with..anybody else have the problem of the phone not 'seeing' the memory card?

EgemenBor said:
turns out I have the 4gb memory card from mobymemory...last couple of days its been giving me a lot of hassle..asking me to format it which I did twice and now its stopped working the phone just does red the card...I've emailed mobymemory 5 minutes ago lets see what they reply with..anybody else have the problem of the phone not 'seeing' the memory card?
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How long did it work ok? try formatting it on the device using sktools or storage tools

Take a look at this thread. It describes this problem and it's solutions in detail. Just read miniSD instead of SD.
Remember, it can still be compatible with the current standard, even if it doesn't comply with the new standard.
If all Fords are cars, does that mean all cars are Fords?
If all miniHDSC cards are 4GB or larger, does that mean all 4GB or larger memory cards are miniHDSC cards?
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Hi,
I receive my new miniSD 4GB card... but my Wizard don't recognize it!
Is a new SDHC and even my laptop with a pcmcia reader card (old) don't recognize too! But I think card is OK because with my Sanyo Xacti C6 work well!
What can I do? Can I make 2x 2GB partitions FAT 16... maybe Wizard work?
Thanks

well my phone isn't reading the memory card and when I try to access it via a card reader on my pc nothing happens...just gets stuck..could it be that the card is dead?
I've had the problem for the past week or so...the card in general was really slow I.e. uplaoding files and accessing the card on my pc would take a while..

I try format miniSDHC 4GB card with 2 partitions 2GB FAT16 but Wizard don't recognize it! Even my old pcmcia card reader can't "see" it! At laptop only work with a card reader that works with SDHC!
Any Help?
Thanks

By this experience, I think Wizard can't read any miniSDHC card unless HTC make a firmware update (will do sometime?) to support this new standard SDHC!
Anybody have better good news?
But, I can't understand why Qtek 9000 and S200 can read SD 4GB, like some persons report it!!!
Thanks

Is trinity 4 GB miniSDHC compliant?

I read in several forums that the new mini sdHC cards can be read only on mini sd 2.0 compliant phones.
Is that the case for the trinity?

There is a dll on the device called sdhc_....dll
It look likes there is support voor sdhc.
I don't have a sdhc card. I can't confirm it is working.

I have a 4GB Mini SDHC Card by Transcend (www.transcend.de). Until now I don't get it to work. I bought a HAMA 1000&1 Card-Reader, but it is not able to format the Card. So I brought it back to the store. There I could format the Card with a new digital camera by panasonic. The 4 GB MiniSDHC worked well in that camera. Back in my Trinity P3600 nothing happens. I tried Pocket Mechanic and SK Tools and Resco, but the Card is not visible. In the Registry I found SDHC mentioned. But it doesn't work. Any ideas?

Checkisout
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=284628

I was about to order the Transcend too, anybody got it to work with the Trinity?

moooo said:
I have a 4GB Mini SDHC Card by Transcend (www.transcend.de). Until now I don't get it to work. I bought a HAMA 1000&1 Card-Reader, but it is not able to format the Card. So I brought it back to the store. There I could format the Card with a new digital camera by panasonic. The 4 GB MiniSDHC worked well in that camera. Back in my Trinity P3600 nothing happens. I tried Pocket Mechanic and SK Tools and Resco, but the Card is not visible. In the Registry I found SDHC mentioned. But it doesn't work. Any ideas?
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Uh oh, I just ordered one in the US for $66. from newegg.com, which is a good price, but only if it works! The 4gb mini SD from Moby Memory is generic with no label. I wonder if it is really SDHC???? I am fairly confident though that the Trinity will support the SDHC 4gb mini SD soon through ROM upgrade, if it doesn't already. It has entries for them in the registry already. Otherwise I guess I'll have to get the other card .

Confirming...Transcend 4 GB miniSDHC not recognized in Trinity yet.
Matterhorn said:
Uh oh, I just ordered one in the US for $66. from newegg.com, which is a good price, but only if it works! The 4gb mini SD from Moby Memory is generic with no label. I wonder if it is really SDHC???? I am fairly confident though that the Trinity will support the SDHC 4gb mini SD soon through ROM upgrade, if it doesn't already. It has entries for them in the registry already. Otherwise I guess I'll have to get the other card .
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I purchased a 4 GB Transcend miniSDHC card, upon reading & then seeing that some SDHC parameters were in Trinity registry. However, the card is NOT recognized yet by my new Trinity.
After trying various registry changes in the SDHC area, I still could not make it read the card. I did succeed in making a ver 1 miniSD card unreadable with those SDHC reg changes though, which means maybe we're on the right track. This also tells me that most likely, a compatible device will work for either miniSD or miniSDHC, but not both at the same time. Maybe a registry wizard here will find a way to make Trinity see the miniSDHC cards.
HTC says officially that Trinity with WM5 can accept up to 12 GB miniSD, without mentioning miniSDHC. It seems reasonable HTC may enable SDHC & GPS in the future. However, keep in mind, HTC has not even fixed BT stereo in the Trinity ROM, so we continue to wait & hope.
In the world of miniSD cards, there is ver 1 miniSD standard. (Sandisk is original inventor of flash memory & helps develop International standards) The max miniSD ver 1 standard is actually 2 GB officially.
There are UNOFFICIAL 4 GB miniSD cards, based on ver 1 standard, but NOT accepted as ver 1 standard produced cards, that exist & carry 4 GB miniSD working formatted memory. There are also FALSE 4 GB miniSD cards, that have been re-stamped as 4 GB, but orginally were 2 GB miniSD. Then, they were reformatted for 4 GB, but that process corrupts the memory. Depending on the device, the false miniSD cards either give incorrect readings or corrupt when used with a read-write process. Some apparently work a short time but then corrupt after normal repeated read-write device process use.
The new miniSD ver 2 standard is called miniSDHC. These will be capable of memory 4 GB up to 32 GB. The first miniSDHC & SDHC cards are just now being made available. (coming 2007) Ver 2 miniSDHC is NOT backwards compatible with ver 1 miniSD devices, except in some rare cases where a device firmware upgrade may apply. The 4 GB miniSDHC ver 2 standard, is the only official real 4 GB miniSD card & most current devices can't use it.
The 4 GB miniSD cards sold at Mobymemory (UK) & ebay are either the UNOFFICIAL 4 GB miniSDs or FALSE 4 GB miniSDs mentioned above. One member here claims that a 4 GB miniSD from Moby works in a Trinity, but you can be assured, it's not a real 4 GB miniSDHC ver 2 standard card.
Engadget iMobile article - Transcend's 4GB miniSDHC announced, but no place to go:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/11/24/transcends-4gb-minisdhc-announced-but-no-place-to-go/
Sandisk SDHC Compatibility listing & info:
http://www.sandisk.com/Products/ProductInfo.aspx?ID=1982
Sandisk SDHC miniSDHC technical info:
http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1441
Sandisk News Release miniSDHC for Mobile Phones:
http://www.sandisk.com/Corporate/PressRoom/PressReleases/PressRelease.aspx?ID=3530

Thanks so much for all that info. That is exactly the reason that I didn't order the Moby Memory, I was pretty sure that it wasn't the official SDHC card. I hope that the new ROM from Dopod fixes the SDHC. Early adopters have all the fun

Just got the Transcend 4gb. Can't see it. Has anyone been able to get this card to work in a Trinity?

Transcend 4 GB miniSDHC NOT working for Trinity
Baxter said:
Just got the Transcend 4gb. Can't see it. Has anyone been able to get this card to work in a Trinity?
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Read the above posts about compatibility. If you have the Transcend 4 GB miniSDHC, that card will NOT work in the Trinity. There is NO confirmation from HTC that a miniSDHC (ver.2.0) will work with a firmware upgrade in the future. Even though the miniSDHC fits in the Trinity slot, it may need different slot hardware to read it. Let's hope the SD controller already there in Trinity can support a firmware upgrade.
If you look around you may be able to find a 4 GB miniSD (Industry Standard version 1.0). Most of the ones on ebay & Amazon are fake though. When I find a confirmed source for a 4 GB miniSD (ver.1.0), I'll post it here.

I have read them and I understand. I only asked because from the previous posts, it wasn't clear whether or not the Trinity can read the MiniSDHC v2.0 cards.

according to the HTC site the maximum size of the mini-SD card for the Trinity is 12GB.. though who really knows for sure
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=29
Support: HTC P3600
What is the maximum SD card size compatible with my device?
For Win CE 2003 =>General for SDIO is 1GB.
For WM 5.0 => SD Card is 4GB and Mini-SD is 12GB

export800 said:
according to the HTC site the maximum size of the mini-SD card for the Trinity is 12GB.. though who really knows for sure
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=29
Support: HTC P3600
What is the maximum SD card size compatible with my device?
For Win CE 2003 =>General for SDIO is 1GB.
For WM 5.0 => SD Card is 4GB and Mini-SD is 12GB
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Well, someone knows for sure, the guys writing the firmware ROMs. I suspect it is just a matter of time before a ROM update comes along that will allow the use of SDHC cards since the entries are already in the current ROM.

Ordering a 2gb v1 card. The way prices are...

More on SDHC & Trinity
export800 said: "according to the HTC site the maximum size of the mini-SD card
for the Trinity is 12GB.. though who really knows for sure
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=29
Support: HTC P3600
What is the maximum SD card size compatible with my device?
For Win CE 2003 =>General for SDIO is 1GB.
For WM 5.0 => SD Card is 4GB and Mini-SD is 12GB"
Matterhorn said: "Well, someone knows for sure, the guys writing the firmware ROMs. I
suspect it is just a matter of time before a ROM update comes along that will allow the use
of SDHC cards since the entries are already in the current ROM."
1. Notice that almost ALL phones on HTC site say the same thing about SD & miniSD limit. It is based on WM5 & WinCE2003 specs, which HTC phones use, a generalization.
2. IF HTC has SD controller hardware (memory slot interface) in Trinity, that can be enabled by a firmware upgrade to recognize & read SDHC, then as Matterhorn said, we should get a ROM upgrade to make this possible.(nobody knows & not confirmed by HTC, but we can
hope.)
If HTC doesn't have the SD controller that's amendable to firmware upgrade, then a new hardware build of Trinity would have to be released.
3. It's interesting that Trinity registry entries exist for SDHC, but it's still a mystery for now. Also, there are supposedly 4 GB miniSD cards (based on Industry Standard 1.0 or non-compliant) that exist, but I'm not able to confirm one that is genuine & safe to use
in Trinity yet. (if someone is, please give details)
4. Good news...bad news---
good-4 GB SDHC can use fat32, is faster than old regular ver 1.0 or 1.1 Standard----
bad-reportedly, the new SDHC cards will be 3X cost of the regular ones.
5. Compatibility
* SDHC Host Products can use both SD and SDHC Memory Cards.
* SD Host Products can use only SD Memory Card 2GB or less.
Is Trinity a SDHC host product or SD host product? THE BIG QUESTION (no SDHC logo on box)
The new SD format, SDHC (Secure Digital High Capacity), allows capacities in excess of 2GB (4GB to 32GB)[2]. SDHC USES THE SAME FORM FACTOR as SD, but the SD 2.0 standard in SDHC uses a different memory addressing method (sector addressing vs byte addressing).
6. Feeling Confused? Here's why:
The following compatibility issues between SD and SDHC cards and devices can arise:
Devices that do not specifically support SD2.0/SDHC do not recognize SDHC memory cards.
Some manufacturers have produced 4GB SD cards that do not conform to the SD2.0/SDHC, which are incompatible with existing SD devices, and are also incompatible with SDHC devices. As of late 2006, the simultaneous availability of non-standard 4GB SD and 4GB SDHC cards,
and the incompatibilities between SD and SDHC have caused a great deal of confusion among consumers looking to buy memory for various devices.
4GB SDHC cards can only work with SDHC compatible host devices. The SDHC logo is supposed to ensure compatibility.
SDHC readers and other devices are supposed to be backwards compatible with SD cards.
SDHC cards have SD Speed Class Ratings defined by the SD Association. The SD Speed Class
Ratings specify the following minimum sustained write speed for SDHC cards: Class 2: 2 MB/s, Class 4: 4 MB/s
Class 6: 6 MB/s.
The SD 2.0 (SDHC) specification is with access speed up to 20MB/sec. The maximum capacity of SD card is 2GB under SD 1.1 of Secure Digital Alliance (SDA) specification; however, by using file format of FAT32, many SD 1.1 host devices can use 4GB SD card.
SD 1.0/1.1 uses traditional "Byte Addressing" scheme which limits the maximum capacity to 4GB while SD 2.0 adopts "Sector Addressing" scheme which is the same with the technique applied by Mu-Card Alliance in 2004 to reach the maximum capacity of 2TB (2048GB). SDHC
cards can only work with SDHC compatible host devices.
7. SD and SDHC - compatibility---In summary:
The new SD format, SDHC (Secure Digital High Capacity), allows capacities in excess of 2GB (4GB to 32GB). SDHC uses the same form factor as SD, but compatibility is not complete in either direction. The SD 2.0 standard in SDHC uses a different memory addressing method
(sector addressing vs byte addressing), causing devices that do not specifically support SD 2.0 / SDHC to fail to recognize the memory cards. Making the issue more confusing is the fact that some manufacturers have produced SEMI-NONSTANDARD 4GB SD cards. These cards are incompatible with SD devices that don't support the larger formats, and are also incompatible with many SDHC devices, because they don't conform to the SD 2.0 spec for High Capacity memory cards. As of late 2006, the simultaneous availability of non-standards 4GB
SD and 4GB SDHC cards, and the incompatibilities between SD and SDHC have caused a great deal of confusion among consumers looking to buy memory for various devices.
References,
SD Card Association: http://www.sdcard.org/WhatsNew.aspx
SD World Portal Website: http://www.sdcard.com/

You little Devil ...came up with good info.
My observation is that the 4gb mini SD cards sold by Moby Memory must be FAT32 formatted normal SD standard. Several people have reported that they work fine in the Trinity. I currently use a 4gb "SD" card in my Prophet that has worked perfectly for a year now. It is formatted as FAT 32 and I have reformatted it using Windows XP with no problems. I did buy a Transcend SDHC 4gb mini SD card for $66. in the US (pretty cheap), but I won't see it until I arrive at my holiday destination. I guess I can be sure that it won't work in my Trinity (that's waiting for me also). So unless they come up with a ROM upgrade soon that fixes this SDHC compatibility problem, I'm going to order one of those Moby mini sds. I need 4gb for all my GPS maps and music, pictures etc.

Lets compare the htc p3600 spec sheet and the htc p4350 :
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_p4350.htm
HTC says that it's SD 2.0 compliant
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_p3600.htm
HTC doesn't say anything

work miniSDHC wizard 9100 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1963379&postcount=2

8 GB on Universal

There are now SDHC cards of 8 GB.
Universal does not support SDHC cards.
BUT... there are many adapters that transform SDHC card into a SD card.
Those are cards of SD size. You insert SDHC cards into them.
Did someone try to use 8 GB sdhc cards on Universal with such an adapter?

legion1911 said:
There are now SDHC cards of 8 GB.
Universal does not support SDHC cards.
BUT... there are many adapters that transform SDHC card into a SD card.
Those are cards of SD size. You insert SDHC cards into them.
Did someone try to use 8 GB sdhc cards on Universal with such an adapter?
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I read somewhere in the Qtek Manual that the MAXIMUM Storage Card size the Universal will support is 6GB. I am unsure what will happen if you squeeze an 8GB card into it. Maybe it would:
1. Not detect any card at all
or
2. Will only indicate a 6GB card, despite the fact that you plugged an 8GB one
Whatever the case, I am pretty sure that there is an OS workaround to this issue (if it really is an issue). Maybe WM6 has already addressed this limitation, you never know. Maybe all that you need to do is format the Storage Card to a FAT32 media format, instead of the default FAT16 most cards come in.

Given that SDHC cards are the same size as SD cards, how exactly would it fit into an adapter, and then into the uni?!?!?

There are mini SDHC cards which fit the 2.0 standard but with such adapter I think you'll just get a normal SDHC card..

captainsensible2002 said:
Given that SDHC cards are the same size as SD cards, how exactly would it fit into an adapter, and then into the uni?!?!?
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Yes I am interested in this as well, how can a card that is the same size as the convertor card fit!!!
I have a 4 GB SDHC card (DANE-ELEC) that I bought from Expansys and it works in nothing, no computers, cameras PDA or anything......... What are they supposed to work in?
And if there is and adapter that works please provide a link!!!!

seal said:
Yes I am interested in this as well, how can a card that is the same size as the convertor card fit!!!
I have a 4 GB SDHC card (DANE-ELEC) that I bought from Expansys and it works in nothing, no computers, cameras PDA or anything......... What are they supposed to work in?
And if there is and adapter that works please provide a link!!!!
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This is always the problem with new technologies in which the Buyer Beware principle applies. The SDHC cards are out there, but the readers for those cards are not yet as pervasive and mainstream as the previous generation ones.
This is a critical flaw in the SDHC technological evolution. They basically produced a half-solution (for me its a half-assed solution) which should have never been implemented. Here is the half-assed solution:
- SDHC readers are backwards compatible and can read traditional SD as well as SDHC cards.
- SDHC cards ARE NOT backwards compatibe with traditional SD readers and will only wrk with SDHC readers.
It is the above problem that has got consumers at large, you included, absolutely furious for not making things clearer. So - if you are an SDHC card holder, and are desperate to use it, well .... there is no choice for you to wait for the SDHC readers to be present in the devices you wish to use SDHC cards in.

legion1911 said:
There are now SDHC cards of 8 GB.
Universal does not support SDHC cards.
BUT... there are many adapters that transform SDHC card into a SD card.
Those are cards of SD size. You insert SDHC cards into them.
Did someone try to use 8 GB sdhc cards on Universal with such an adapter?
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How support for Universal ?

Guys, received a review sample of a Transcend 8GB SDHC card today and it doesn't work. The Universal just won't detect a Storage Card.
The same goes for ALL other Windows Mobile devices with SD slot at this moment.
Even readers must be special SDHC ones. I have one of those and the PC can work with the card.

This is not going to help, but I have a Transcend 4GB SDHC card, and it's hopeless too, doesn't work in the Universal.

richardlai said:
This is not going to help, but I have a Transcend 4GB SDHC card, and it's hopeless too, doesn't work in the Universal.
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For that you'll need Transcend's NORMAL 4GB SD card. They have a regular one and a 150x (access speed) one.
I have the latter and it works great for almost a year now.

great~~~~ i like this~

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Yes, TRANSCEND 4GB SD card 150x works great on my set too

Pretec 133x Cheetah 4 GB card works on my Universal, too:
http://www.dealtime.co.uk/xPF-Pretec-SHM04G
I was using it in my MDA Compact (HTC Magician) and it was working ok, too. I had to use cNET Flash format to access 4GB, though.
It would be cool if anyone could come up with a solution that would enable the Universal to read SDHC cards. I'm sure a new driver would solve this as the hardware is exactly the same.
Michal

what if you use a micro to SD adaptor with an 8 gig micro SD??
anyone ever try this?
my buddies 2 gig works in the adaptor.

JayRayMee.NL said:
For that you'll need Transcend's NORMAL 4GB SD card. They have a regular one and a 150x (access speed) one.
I have the latter and it works great for almost a year now.
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Must reiterate this point... I have one too, and it works great, no problems at all, and fast!
Hopefully this page will answer these neverending SDHC questions... "the SD 2.0 standard in SDHC uses a different memory addressing method (sector addressing vs byte addressing[9]). 4GB SDHC cards can only work with SDHC compatible host devices."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card (Scroll down to SDHC).
As far as I can tell, SDHC requires different HARDWARE to run, think it's down to the motherboard level and maybe even the slot itself.

yeah, interestingly my buddies 2 gig micro sd card is sdhc.
and it worked.. i don't actually know if there are 8 gig micro sd.. and MAN those cards are small!

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"what if you use a micro to SD adaptor with an 8 gig micro SD??
anyone ever try this?
my buddies 2 gig works in the adaptor"
What brand of micro SDHC card are you using?

It's San Disk

SDHC Class 4 sd works with universal.

hi i have tested 1 gig toshiba sdhc(class4) memory with my universal(wm6) and it worked perfectly.

1. which rom are you using?
2. have you tried more than 4g sdhc?
3. have you tried it with other devices?
4. are you positively sure its sdhc?

i am using a rom from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305512
i only tried 1gig toshiba sdhc class 4 i and i am sure it was sdhc

onlineemails said:
i am using a rom from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305512
i only tried 1gig toshiba sdhc class 4 i and i am sure it was sdhc
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Please post the exact model of the SDHC card. I am willing to bet that the SD card is what is pretty sophisticated since it was built to be both SD v1.1 as well as SD v2.0 compliant.
FYI: 1GB is not exactly "High Capacity".

i told you it was toshiba 1 gig sdhc class 4,it was my friends and i just test it for 2 min and copied a file to card.

I agree though, it's called sdHC for High Capacity, and it's usually starts at 4GB to 8GB, but I'm not saying that you're lying or anything ok, just my 2 cents

SDHC Cards (SD V2) start at 4GB, use a FAT32 default file system and require block mode addressing (512 byte blocks). Rather then the byte addressing used by classic SD/MMC cards.
In essence that means you CAN'T get a 1GB SDHC card within the specification and there would be no point making such a card as SDHC devices support the full command set of SD1 as a subset so SD cards will work fine on SDHC capable devices.
I will do a little testing with my SDHC cards tonight if I get a chance (a few 4GB's and an 8GB) but I seem to recall they don't work (at least on older ROM's) and people need to remember that the hardware drivers we have on the Universal Mobile 6 ROM's are just taken from the 5 ROM's in the most part.
There are a few hardware reasons that could stop it working but I would assume the SD controller used is flexible enough for that not to be an issue. The driver in the ROM will also need to support block mode addressing (the framework in the underlying WinCE OS can support it if the driver does). This biggest issue here is that we have no easy way to write a driver for WinCE and no underlaying detail about the SD controller.
Note: While my knowledge of SD/SDHC may not be complete (in fact I know its not ) I have written a working SDHC hardware driver for an ARM Linux device from scratch.

onlineemails said:
i told you it was toshiba 1 gig sdhc class 4,it was my friends and i just test it for 2 min and copied a file to card.
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Umm .... you did not understand me. But I guess I should have been more clearer. By model I mean product tag / part number:
For example, "SD-F01G" is a High Speed (Class 6) 1GB Standard SD Card (non-SDHC).
http://www.toshiba.com/taec/Catalog/Line.do?familyid=7&lineid=7230
This part number will be clearly labelled on the info sheet that came with the card. I do not know if your friend will actually keep this sheet.