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VNC & TSC what's the difference?

I have used the TSC in WM5 and it works fine, now thinking I would like full screen so looking at sl9 and Vijays full screen TSC, but I keep seeing lots about VNC too? What is it, any better than TSC or any worse?
Answers on a postcard please, or here will do, thanks
Simon

they work differntly, VNC is bitmap based ie it paints the picture of the remote screen, where TSC is vector based, it dosent paint the screen, it uses coordinates of items etc, ie, desktop colour, startmenu, its all cached on your machine, so in effect, the more you use it the faster it will get.
so if bandwidth is no issue then its your choice of what you use, but where there are speed issues, then tsc will probably be far more efficient.
i use TSC clients for, probably, 14hrs a day at hone and at work, and at work using servers at home, all TSC based and Tivoli another bitmap based product we use appears to suffer greatly compared to TSC, you know, were all tsc'ing to home whilst were at work, and its 10 to 1 faster than tivoli.
its only my theories based on usage

I would mostly agree - TSC is more GDI object based, client server, where the PDA does most of the rendering. VNC is mostly brute force screen copying.
The beauty of VNC is that you can use it against many more devices - Win95, Linux, Macs etc. TSC needs a dedicated terminal service on the other end that may not even be installable on your home machine.

Could someone please point me to sl9's full screen TSC client. I cannot find it anywhere.
Thanks
-Rob

what also works like a charm is logmein.com. you need to install software on your desktop, then login the logmein page on your pda and you're clear to go. the software on the MDA also autoscales the desktop to 640*480 (and back when you're finished). free aswell.
I use logmein to surf etc when at work, perfect to have an 5 Mb connection available on my MDA

I generally agree with what has been said. Most of my work involves remote administration of servers. I use as a first choice on desktop a program called Radmin, unfortunately this is not available on PPC. Radmin is very similar to VNC but is much faster and also supports file transfer and command prompt only.
But what has not been said about this type of software, VNC/Radmin is it allows you to run multiple clients viewing the same session. This is great for training and seeking help on a problem with third parties. So i do sometimes use VNC on the Universal, but only if i need to share a session.
TSC on the other hand will open a fresh session and allow, depending on the version of OS on the destination machine allow multiple independant sessions. I do use a lot of TSC sessions on my desktop as well.
Regarding letmein never really appealed to me. Dont really want a third party running my sessions for me and to be honest see no advantage in it. But i guess for me I have external ip adreses everywhere so i guess that helps. I can log to my hone PC or office and othe rsite networks from any where in the world over a 2/3g connection on the universal anyway.
But maybe i am missing something regarding using letmein to gain speed, if you have an office network with 5mb connectionwhy not just connect directly to your office on the TSC on the univrersal, why do you need letmein? the main portal i use for TSC is a server in a COLO of mine with a burstable GB ethernet connection directly into a tier 1 ISP and the bottleneck here is actually the speed it takes for the screen to be drwawn on the universal and the connection to the server.
Also be warned that TSC on the 2/3g connection can chew a lot of BW. When i was doing a lot of this i was getting a new orange connection every 3 months and getting the free 1gb per month for the first 3 months with orange(£25 permonth). on a sim only deal with no phone on the lowest 3g package. Worked out as £55 per month when you add the 9 months at £10 for 1gb per moonth with 200 free mins. Then after 3 months change it to a 2g off peak only deal at £10 per month. or use it as a second phone.
At any time i might have upto 6 remote sessions active, but it can get very weird when running full screen TSC on your desktop as you some times end up in a lop going from one server to another then another and back to the first one again with out realising. It has the similar effect to lokiing into one mirror with an identical mirror behind it and creating a series of cascading views. Can be abit wierd sometimes, especially when you start telnetting from one command prompt on one machine into something like a cisco and then right back to where you started. I know this sounds crazy but if you have a work station with twin 21" lcd monitors with 1200x1600 displays and 4 gb of ram at the end of a 12 hour session I often end up with in the order of 60+ windows open over my destop. And that does not include the windows open on all of the remote desktops!
I think i lost it a bit in the post there towards the end but i think you get the picture.
Charlie

LogMeIn is PERFECT

i have the new ROM and i am registered with LOGMEIN.com (a remote desktop/file tran etc site), its all free to use and it works perfectly with the universal, you can zoom in or have the desktop fit to screen (best in landscape mode), its so easy, i can connect throw our corp filewall, ive tested it connecting to XP Pro SP2 and also Server 2003, both look so good on the phone :lol:
Has anyone else tryed this site or anyone have the full account (have to pay for that) so i can see if its worth buying (not that you ever have too)

echo that, I think it's a fantastic service!

This is amazing - it even suppots duel monitors.

I agree!
It certainly made my life easier. No more USB key!
I tried the following before settling to Logmein Free:
1. GotomyPC - Excellent speed and interface but very expensive for private users.
2. WebEx - very good, slower than GotomyPC, much cheaper.
3. Logmein Pro - Identical to Logmein Free but extra features such as File Transfer, Print to local printer.
I would say even if you are fairly competent at setting up your own remote access using other software, Logmein free is still worth a look.
P.S. The place where I work has a Plasma display(Wifi connected)that needs to be changed almost on a daily basis. I do this by Logmein to my office computer and use VNC from my office computer to update it!

I discovered it a few months ago and it's fantastic. I am not decided yet on whether to upgrade to Pro, though if I did the only reason really would be the filesharing option.
VNC was my previous choice, but it's much slower - even when connecting over the local network. With logmein I can be sat on the sofa at home, controlling the PC upstairs and chatting on MSN. I've also used it from work to control the home PC. I can't believe how fast it is.
Cheers
Ant

my girlfriend uses it at wrk as msn etc and a forum she goes to is blocked, howvever she uses og me in to use or computer to use msn and go to her forums etc lol

how is this different from the remote desktop feature that is built into windows xp?

jab1a said:
i have the new ROM and i am registered with LOGMEIN.com (a remote desktop/file tran etc site), its all free to use and it works perfectly with the universal, you can zoom in or have the desktop fit to screen (best in landscape mode), its so easy, i can connect throw our corp filewall, ive tested it connecting to XP Pro SP2 and also Server 2003, both look so good on the phone :lol:
Has anyone else tryed this site or anyone have the full account (have to pay for that) so i can see if its worth buying (not that you ever have too)
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Hold on, it's free and fantastic? What's the catch??

OK, just installed it.
This folks, is FANTASTIC.
If I forget to start my downloads after I've left for work, no problems. Just log onto my PC and start the program!
Id I need a file from my PC, just log into Outlook and email it, to myself!
Wow, just WOW. And p1ss easy to set up.
Anyone know what the data throughput it - I'm gonna test it now with 3G on, instead of through Wifi - hopefully the speed will still be decent, but I don't want to be stung for huge data download charges.
EDIT: Speed via GPRS and 3G is still well usable.
What a find OP!

How do i access it using opera browser from my pda, it seems that logmein only work with IE, but is seems that there is nothing on the screen.. do i need to install java for it? where can i get this java apps..?
thxs

Hmm ja very strange, in opera and PIE I get the same message, saying "A Windows Pocket PC 2003 or newer is required...." and then asks you to download some "downgrade" CAB...which I install but it still doesnt work neither IE or Opera... Im a bit clueless what the problem is since the FAQ also doesnt mention anything about that.
Edit: Ok, after a reset of the universal it works. Speed is pretty lame over GPRS but what can you expect...its for free and its great. I can even control my Linux machine via VNC from the Windows Remote machine that I access via Logme in...Thanks a lot for that great tip!

I have used both Remote Desktop (the server is built into Windows XP PRO and Windows 2003) and LogMeIn.com.
Remote Desktop doesn't have a full screen mode.
Remote Desktop is faster. But, since my computer is behind a wireless router, I wasn't able to make it work - no matter how I configure the router, it can't connect.
So I use LogMeIn.com, the free version. It's slower but it has a full screen mode. I have absolutely no problems related to the firewall (wireless router). It just works.
Absolutely fantastic.

I use logmein pro for my 'always on' HTPC and the free version for our laptop. It is, quite simply, wonderful.
Runs well from my work network and my trusty Himalaya. I wonder if there is a way to use it to set up an activesync alternative to get around the lack of wifi support now :?:

Been using this since September last year. Awesome product and I still can't believe it's free.

excuse me, but using it with netfront 3.3 or opera 8.5 it just permit me file transfer. non desktop control!
what am i doing wrong?
i'm accessing it with a jasjar

lucazaffiro said:
excuse me, but using it with netfront 3.3 or opera 8.5 it just permit me file transfer. non desktop control!
what am i doing wrong?
i'm accessing it with a jasjar
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Since you have IE on the handheld anyhoew, think of your IE exclusively as your interface for LogmeIn.

belfast-biker said:
lucazaffiro said:
excuse me, but using it with netfront 3.3 or opera 8.5 it just permit me file transfer. non desktop control!
what am i doing wrong?
i'm accessing it with a jasjar
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Since you have IE on the handheld anyhoew, think of your IE exclusively as your interface for LogmeIn.
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yes but from my desktop i see a lot of oppotunity to use my "controlled" pc. with NETFRONT i see just the option "file transfer". with opera after installing a specific cab i'm not allowed to connect
any hint?

that is strange but i can only think that it has something to do with the way those 2 bits of software handle ActiveX, IE is very good at it, the last person was right, just think of ~IE as your excusive logmein.com browser for remote desktop, its a hardship but somethings you have to live with :wink:

You should be aware that this service exposes you to being hacked, it uses SSL to encrypt between LOGMEIN.com & your PC & PDA but has to unencript all the data on the LOGMEIN.com server as you can't have back to back SSL connections.
Anyone hacking the server would be able to connect to your PC or PDA as if they were you.
Suggest at the very least that you don't leave an open connection & have a short timeout to a login screen on your PC.
Mike

Its a great bit of software.... I havent really played around with any other software like this, but this seems to do the job for me quite well....
i do however agree with the security issue... Yes you are opening a potential hole in your security albeit a very small one

Stream webcam to BA over wifi network

I'm looking for a solution that will let me stream my webcam to my pda, over my wifi network and not the internet. I have tried orb with no success. Any help would be appreciated.

tried
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=258360&highlight=webcam+pocketpc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=247616&highlight=webcam+pocketpc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=229496&highlight=webcam+pocketpc

Thanks
Rudegar said:
tried
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=258360&highlight=webcam+pocketpc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=247616&highlight=webcam+pocketpc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=229496&highlight=webcam+pocketpc
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Thanks Rudegar
I believe all those solutions are more interested in using the PDA as a webcam. What I am interested in is using the PDA to monitor my room where my webcam is (coz thats where the baby sleeps). Is there anyway this can be done?

maybe a search like this
http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&s...=result&cd=1&q=pocket+pc+security+cam&spell=1

cerrano said:
Thanks Rudegar
I believe all those solutions are more interested in using the PDA as a webcam. What I am interested in is using the PDA to monitor my room where my webcam is (coz thats where the baby sleeps). Is there anyway this can be done?
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I had done that earlier, let me find out how did i do it?

Best i got...
So far the best , but not very elegant at all, solution I have is to use logmein. Not only does this go through the internet, which is something I am trying to avoid, but it also gives entire control of the pc, whereas I just want a quick stream over wifi of what the webcam is seeing.
Surely there must be someway to stream directly over the network?

Tried http://www.google.com.au/search?cli...+webcam+over+network&meta=&btnG=Google+Search or http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=...m+webcam+over+local+network&btnG=Search&meta=

try digi-watcher. works for me.

cerrano said:
So far the best , but not very elegant at all, solution I have is to use logmein. Not only does this go through the internet, which is something I am trying to avoid, but it also gives entire control of the pc, whereas I just want a quick stream over wifi of what the webcam is seeing.
Surely there must be someway to stream directly over the network?
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logitech used to have that feature to publish to a webpage and would update the picture at a user specified interval. don't know if they still do. i'm surprised orb didn't work. i would have tried logmin as well or a remote desktop client directly if your just at home with wifi. other thought is any webcam streamer that has it's own internet server. years ago i bought a security program cheap (under £10)
called supervision cam. it does time lapse capture or motion change capture and then would upload pics to a website or email to an address. it wouldn't be a stream as such but if you told it to not change the file name by adding a number and only use the same name every time then you could get a 1 to 3 frames per second update to a web page. then just compose the page to auto resfresh every few seconds. just don't do it from a mobile gprs connection unless your data plan has a huge inclusive

I cant believe it - all you need to do, is to put your keywords into google
http://www.rainbowbreeze.it/webcamholmes-en (freeware)

Try Windows Media Encoder 9.0, it's free. Can be unstable, but it should be enough for your use...
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/default.mspx

Drive Mapping

Hi everyone,
I am new here and the owner of a HTC Snap for about one month now. However, I was wondering if it is in any way possible to map network drives (linux and windows) from my home lan on my snap through WIFI?
I've been trying to google this, but couldn't find a definite answer on this issue.

Standard devices (non touch screen) lack the abiltity to browse a network. Total Commander will get you half way there, but instead of using the IP address use the NetBIOS. You will have to find an older version of TC, since the newest version has had the LAN connection removed for Smartphones.. Resco may still have it though
You can use Microsoft Live Mesh (the beta is open enrollment) goto www.mesh.com sign in then select add then at the bottom of the screen you will see a link that says something like "use mesh on your mobile phone" click that to get the .cab file, once installed onto your device you can connect to live mesh, which you can then set up to shared folders on your network.

Thnx for the reply. To bad that I can't set up any drive mapping and quite strange that Microsoft didn't implement such features while mobile phones have WIFI on them.
That live mesh seems like a handy solution though. However it looks to me like all the data passes through the internet, even when I'm at home. If this is the case then it wouldn't be a very feasable solution because it would take ages before I would have moved large files if my mobile phone operator is in between my data connection.

Blaatt said:
Thnx for the reply. To bad that I can't set up any drive mapping and quite strange that Microsoft didn't implement such features while mobile phones have WIFI on them.
That live mesh seems like a handy solution though. However it looks to me like all the data passes through the internet, even when I'm at home. If this is the case then it wouldn't be a very feasable solution because it would take ages before I would have moved large files if my mobile phone operator is in between my data connection.
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Yeah, that how it works (mesh over the internet) not the greatest solution but it will work. There are other options but most of them involve sending the data over the net.
Like I said, you can get it to work (drive mapping)

internet trafic monitoring

does anybody know where can I find program that can show me how long did I use internet on my phone and how much did I download or upload

The only program I know is SPB Wireless Monitor, but it's not freeware. You can download a trial here:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/pocketpc-software/wirelessmonitor

if you're running android, then 3G Watchdog is free on the market

i am runing WM6. is there a key to spb wireless monitor, or do i have to buy this product. thanks

You have to buy it. I use it and it works just fine.

all right. thanks